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[Randy Woolley]

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

[Zypxtyl]

FairfaxLessee wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

Troll. You're bad at this.

Nope.. Not a troll.. I actually do love the games and I think the endings are just fine... I just find it funny how many people are whining over it, like they have a right to demand a new ending.

Well, considering I paid for 16 endings and not ABC, yeah I think I feel justifed demanding what I paid for.

Well said sir or madam, well said.

Also, it's not about entitlement, it's about fitness for a particular purpose

And "fitness for a particular purpose" for those of us who havent wasted three years in law school, means delivering what you promised. In this case, more endings than A.B.C...

[luci90]

Why do you guys keep feeding them?

Knock it off.

If I want to see trolling I can just go back to /k/.

[Randy Woolley]

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Randy Woolley wrote...



I am in no way your bro.... But, hey, don't feel too bad that you have entitlement issues.. You're certainly not alone.. Go back to thinking the world revolves around your ideas because you purchased something.

So which one is it: I have entitlement issues or I can't comprehend the complexity and depth of putting in a ghost child to conclude the series with 14 lines of dialogue and copy/paste endings?

I know this is a golden opportunity for you troll, but damnit, you could at least try to be convincing

[Omnike]

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

I think emphasis was on the MILLIONS part, bud. Good try.

[MrAtomica]

Randy Woolley wrote...

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

Congratulations?

You are obviously not upset by the endings, so it would make little sense to ask you for your input.

I was referring to the 55,000+ people who have voted that they would like a "better" ending, as well as the potentially millions more who don't bother to come onto the forums to vote therein.

Modifié par MrAtomica, 29 mars 2012 - 07:03 .

[Randy Woolley]

STAG IRONHIDE wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...



I am in no way your bro.... But, hey, don't feel too bad that you have entitlement issues.. You're certainly not alone.. Go back to thinking the world revolves around your ideas because you purchased something.

So which one is it: I have entitlement issues or I can't comprehend the complexity and depth of putting in a ghost child to conclude the series with 14 lines of dialogue and copy/paste endings?

I know this is a golden opportunity for you troll, but damnit, you could at least try to be convincing

Can't it be both?

[Randy Woolley]

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

I think emphasis was on the MILLIONS part, bud. Good try.

Millions of people commit crimes... That doesn't make them correct...

[MartinPenwald]

Randy Woolley wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

Considering we were told that our decisions throughout the games matter, it's not that surprising that people thought they would have input on the ending. You know, instead of being fed A, B and C, all of which have no relation to our previous decisions.

I know, I know, feeding the troll etc.

[Lord Irvine]

Randy Woolley wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

Hate to butt in, but the creators create a product for the consumer, tailored to the consumer's wants. If they didn't do so, then no one would purchase their product. If you anger millions of your fanbase with one of your products, and do nothing about it, then there will be a large percentage drop in sales for that product and a similar drop in the other products created by the creators. Consumers and Creators go hand in hand, what affects one affects the other.

There's a reason it's called Supply and Demand.

[Randy Woolley]

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

Congratulations?

You are obviously not upset by the endings, so it would make little sense to ask you for your input.

I was referring to the 55,000+ people who have voted that they would like a "better" ending, as well as the potentially millions more who don't bother to come onto the forums to vote therein.

So, (puts on entitlement outfit), why should I have to sacrifice an ending just because others don't like it? Why does that make sense... So, because you all didn't like it, I and others like me are supposed to give up our endings for you? That not only makes you all entitlment challenged, it also makes you elitists and selfish for thinking you have the right to take from us because you want.

[Omnike]

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

I think emphasis was on the MILLIONS part, bud. Good try.

Millions of people commit crimes... That doesn't make them correct...

This is a unified disagreement. Do you think the founders of America were wrong for rebelling?

[Cable201]

I think many people have been looking at the ME3 ending as the end of the entire story. I don't feel that it is. It is only the end of the Reaper threat. As far as ending the story, most plot lines came to an end throughout the game. Certainly there were many questions left unanswered, but to say that player's decisions made throughout the trilogy had no bearing on the ending is a fallacy.

In my game, a dozen interplanetary civilizations realized a common goal with urgency and efficiency, and yet maintained the defining characteristics that identified each throughout hundreds of hours of gameplay and exposition. The Geth were either united with the Quarians or destroyed, depending on your choice. The Krogan Genophage was either cured or allowed to continue, again, depending on your choice. Jack, Thane, Jacob, and Miranda saw adequate resolutions to their trials, provided you sought them out. Vendettas and blood feuds centuries old were laid to rest in favor of uniting to meet a seemingly insurmountable foe. The challenge was well met and ultimately overcome.

My point is, the end of the game isn't the end of the trilogy, the ENTIRE GAME is the ending. As such, I find myself satisfied with the conclusion, but not happy. Why should you ever be glad to see the end of such a rich and compelling story? One whose is lore has proven so polarizing that it has captivated the gaming community and entertainment media. I want what everybody wants. I want more. More content, more specificity, and more closure. No game is perfect, no entertainment product ever will be. ME3 is a masterfully crafted addition to my library, and in all honesty, I'd much rather have it than not. I will wait relatively patiently for the forthcoming DLC. Keep it up Bioware.

[MrAtomica]

Randy Woolley wrote...

Millions of people commit crimes... That doesn't make them correct...

Fortunately, we are not criminals. Nor is committing a criminal act in any way related to purchasing a product.

We were given incorrect information about how this game would play out. As a result, and out of love for this series, many people are pushing Bioware to change the endings. There really isn't anything more to the whole movement than discontent and a desire to see them send their universe, and Shepard, off in a more appropriate manner.

[improperdancing]

Randy Woolley wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

We purchased the game, therefore we reserve the right to complain to the game maker about things we didn't care for or promises that were made by the game maker that were not kept.

Say you purchased a car and the dealership told you before you signed the paperwork that it had cruise control.  Would you say that you don't have the right to demand input on the car's cruise control situation if you took it out on the road and found that the dealership lied to you?  Maybe you should go build your own car.

As a consumer, I demand that promises by the people that create the products I buy be kept.  If they're not, I will let them hear about it and do my best to influence other consumers not to buy the same product.  

I really don't get how this is a hard concept to understand.  BioWare made promises about Mass Effect 3 and was unable or unwilling to keep them.  As a result, they are getting slammed by their biggest fans for doing so, and I don't see how the fans don't have every right to demand that BioWare give them what was originally promised.

[StillOverrated]

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

Congratulations?

You are obviously not upset by the endings, so it would make little sense to ask you for your input.

I was referring to the 55,000+ people who have voted that they would like a "better" ending, as well as the potentially millions more who don't bother to come onto the forums to vote therein.

So, (puts on entitlement outfit), why should I have to sacrifice an ending just because others don't like it? Why does that make sense... So, because you all didn't like it, I and others like me are supposed to give up our endings for you? That not only makes you all entitlment challenged, it also makes you elitists and selfish for thinking you have the right to take from us because you want.

And that's why God created completely optional DLC.

[garytwine]

Randy Woolley wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

I see most everyone still has entitlement issues... I thought the endings were just fine and I honestly hope that Bioware doesn't listen to a bunch of whiners and change.. I really think a lot of you need to get out of the house more often.. It's just a game people..

You're obviously easily pleased then. I guess you must really enjoy Uve Boll movies as well. I wouldnt be surprised if Bioware had hired him to write ME3's ending.

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

ENTITLED...  you throw this word around like it's something only people who bought and played the game and didn't like the ending feel they have, but really don't in your opinion.

I am ENTITLED, having paid money to Bioware and played their game, to have an opinion. I am ENTITLED by  law to free speech. So is every other person on this forum, on the street and wherever the hell they are right now saying how **** they think the ending is.

Heck, you're even ENTITLED to disagree with us. Thats your right too. Bioware is ENTITLED to completely ignore it's core fan base and do absolutely F-all if they really wanted, but they are also ENTITLED to change or add to the ending if they decide that is best.

Of course, then all of the people like yourself and all of the Reviewers and Game Developers out there will forget Bioware and it's customers are ENTITLED and will take the high ground damning them if Bioware actually does listen to their fan's input and do something about it.

See how everyone thinks they are ENTITLED to something? Strange isn't it...

[Randy Woolley]

Lord Irvine wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

Hate to butt in, but the creators create a product for the consumer, tailored to the consumer's wants. If they didn't do so, then no one would purchase their product. If you anger millions of your fanbase with one of your products, and do nothing about it, then there will be a large percentage drop in sales for that product and a similar drop in the other products created by the creators. Consumers and Creators go hand in hand, what affects one affects the other.

There's a reason it's called Supply and Demand.

Or... How about this... People stop acting like children. Grow up. Be happy that they have the ability to live in an area where such games are possible and stop whining about every little thing they don't like and demand it be redone..

[STAG IRONHIDE]

Randy Woolley wrote...

Millions of people commit crimes... That doesn't make them correct...

Now you're just trying to argue a point because you are desperate to troll. Go read what the Bioware staff said about the ending before the game came out and then come back.

Modifié par STAG IRONHIDE, 29 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[MartinPenwald]

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

Congratulations?

You are obviously not upset by the endings, so it would make little sense to ask you for your input.

I was referring to the 55,000+ people who have voted that they would like a "better" ending, as well as the potentially millions more who don't bother to come onto the forums to vote therein.

So, (puts on entitlement outfit), why should I have to sacrifice an ending just because others don't like it? Why does that make sense... So, because you all didn't like it, I and others like me are supposed to give up our endings for you? That not only makes you all entitlment challenged, it also makes you elitists and selfish for thinking you have the right to take from us because you want.

Dunno, but to me, it seems that most people want optional endings that reflect their choices better.

And you know what optional means? It means that you can still have your end, because it's not going away. There's just gonna be a few more.

[Randy Woolley]

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

No, I'm just not under the misundestanding that I am ENTITLED to a game ending because I say so.. It's a product... You don't like it.. Don't buy it... Simple as that..

Say that to the millions of fans who pre-ordered this game under the assumption that what the developers had been championing up to release was, as it should have been, true.

There's exagerration, and then there's EXAGERRATION.

Some the of the statements made by guys like Hudson and Gamble are outight falsehoods, or at least deceptive in the extreme.

Ummm.. You mean like me? the person that preordered the Collectors and N7 editions of it and was first in line at Midnight openings at my local GameStop?

Yeah, I should get right on to talking to those people...

I think emphasis was on the MILLIONS part, bud. Good try.

Millions of people commit crimes... That doesn't make them correct...

This is a unified disagreement. Do you think the founders of America were wrong for rebelling?

Based upon the direction it is currenlty headed, they could have very well been wrong.

[MrAtomica]

Randy Woolley wrote...

So, (puts on entitlement outfit), why should I have to sacrifice an ending just because others don't like it? Why does that make sense... So, because you all didn't like it, I and others like me are supposed to give up our endings for you? That not only makes you all entitlment challenged, it also makes you elitists and selfish for thinking you have the right to take from us because you want.

I was under the impression that these endings were "theirs", and not "yours". Can't have your cake and eat it too.

[Randy Woolley]

improperdancing wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

none of which was a lie.... No where was it a promise ether.....Again comprehend what you read.

Heads up, everyone!  The BioWare Defense Force has arrived!

Nope.. I'm neither paid nor endorsed by BW... I'm just getting a kick out of seeing how many people feel they purchased the right to demand input in to the game's ending.. You are a consumer.. You are not a creator.. That is  your station... Deal with it or go make your own game.

We purchased the game, therefore we reserve the right to complain to the game maker about things we didn't care for or promises that were made by the game maker that were not kept.

Say you purchased a car and the dealership told you before you signed the paperwork that it had cruise control.  Would you say that you don't have the right to demand input on the car's cruise control situation if you took it out on the road and found that the dealership lied to you?  Maybe you should go build your own car.

As a consumer, I demand that promises by the people that create the products I buy be kept.  If they're not, I will let them hear about it and do my best to influence other consumers not to buy the same product.  

I really don't get how this is a hard concept to understand.  BioWare made promises about Mass Effect 3 and was unable or unwilling to keep them.  As a result, they are getting slammed by their biggest fans for doing so, and I don't see how the fans don't have every right to demand that BioWare give them what was originally promised.

I don't really get why it's so hard for people to see how whiny they're being over a game..

Also.. Do you know what word "fan" is derived from? Because, it fits in this case.

[Randy Woolley]

MrAtomica wrote...

Randy Woolley wrote...

So, (puts on entitlement outfit), why should I have to sacrifice an ending just because others don't like it? Why does that make sense... So, because you all didn't like it, I and others like me are supposed to give up our endings for you? That not only makes you all entitlment challenged, it also makes you elitists and selfish for thinking you have the right to take from us because you want.

I was under the impression that these endings were "theirs", and not "yours". Can't have your cake and eat it too.

I bolded the important part for you since you don't seem to catch the gist of why I said that.