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[Versidious]

Revanchist1 wrote...

A review, and then something about those complaining about the end

Actually read what the anti-enders are saying. Most of it is about how the ending is logically inconsistant, which it is. It's also worth remarking that your accusation that they are immature for not getting the ending they want is silly, considering that you like the ending as it is - how is your love of this ending any more valid than others' dislike of it? Also, I was cool with Vader dying, but was not OK with the ME3 ending. Bittersweet endings are fine, ones that undermine the entire series are not.

[Versidious]

Crysis I wrote...

just finished 3 and i loved the game like the other two right up until the end. Never in my life have i had something turn sour in a matter of seconds. I felt the game was rushed as i played it. I romanced ashley, but when you go to talk to her in the ship there was no dialogue wheel and no conversation, this made me feel like she was shoved in at late stage or just rushed to get the game out quickly. why was there no harbinger interaction at all O.o.

That guardian/mystical thing posing as a kid was where the game hit rock bottom why couldn't it of just been harbinger we spoke to or have a final fight with.

Quick list of what has annoyed me the most:

*  No Harbinger fight/interaction in the entire game, Massive Disappointment....

* There was not enough closure to the end, how does shep reunite with the crew/LI and what happens from there?

* No full conversation with ashley onboard the normandy, it was just her making comments if you clicked her.

* The star kid made the reapers look pants and took away the horror that they were. should of just kept it as them alone or something different. they just ain't so scary now after seeing the ending. Would of been better talking to harbinger instead of a mystical figure appearing as the kid.

*  I chose the destroy ending but why wipe out mass relays with it, i started to think were be better off becoming a reaper.

* The soundtrack was no where near as powerful as the first two games.

That lack of conversation wheel is pretty much the same with every character/LI (Though worse with Ash/Kaidan, on the ship, as you talk to them in the hospital)! It really bugs me, too.

[IchibanMitsuru]

No "airing of grievances" here. The ending was aloof, which isn't a bad thing. It's to my knowledge rarely been done in video games.

I'm ok with it, I guess the fate of my Shepard is left up to me.

If Bioware want's to spell out what happened, I'm all for it. If not, then maybe some serious DLC/Episodic content for the aftermath would be best.

Ether way good job on the whole triology. I doubt there has ever been such depth of continuity and interaction and choice ever (ahem) "synthetically" created.

[luci90]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

From ALL the ME3 ending jokes I've seen, this one made me laugh hardest BY FAR. Yes, in capital letters. Gotta see it

Hitler finds out about Mass Effect 3's Ending

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=b33tJx8iy0A

Is it the scene from downfall where he starts ranting in the war room?

[visionazzery]

To the head creators of Bioware,

I cannot stress how crucial this 'test' is of your company's ability to deliver the range and contrast in the change of endings you are about to do. I sincerely hope as a player of your game with over 10 characters played through since me1 mxing out each character doing all the classes and each character doing totally different paragon/ renegade choices to the other, how vital it is that we all see our choices made throughout all three games be strongly reflected in the ending.

I propose as follows:

1- instead of the ghost child which does not work, nor fit in just before shepard activates the Crucible i propose the ghostly spirit of the ORIGINAL race which were victim of the Reaper's first cycle of extinction many generations before the Protheans assume that the ghost spirit was the original 'leader' of the very first race to ever be wiped out by the Reapers. Assume the Organic being present at the Crucible needs to speak to and subsequently activate the similar dialogue to the ghost child except a spirit that effectively being the very first of all extinct races at the hands of the reapers gives a glowing orb that emodies the wisdom and knowledge of which was kept by the original extinct race which is the Catalyst- then have the actual dialogue choice. There are too many problems with the Ghost Child for one as was referenced entirely throughtou the series the reapers are a threat and proved to be the executor of ALL organic races not just human hence it makes things go full circle by introducing us and shepard fr PARAGON ending ONLY, for shepard to merge his perceptions his experiences with the very original extinct alien organic race, the ghost child is a very narrow view not true to the true foundation origins of the entire premise since me1.

2.- for renegade ghost child or ghost spirit whichi hope it replaces the ghost child with is not accessible instead Harbinger should appear simply because the Reapers represent a perversion and distortion of reality again as its referenced way back when sovereign says: "we have no beginning we have no end we simply are" the path of a strong renegade represents the ultimate consequence the confrontation and subsequent distortiojn of the real truth of the history of extinct races- and Harbinger being head of the reapers is the obvious choice the instigator of hundeds of extinct species inc the Protheans but Harbinger also obstructs notion of hope thriving on shepard's despair- there should be no ghost child or no chost spirit just the simple embodiment of shepard's doom as consequence of renegade path- and that is he who has stalked shepard through Sovereign and the Collectors that is Harbinger- in this way, renegade would go full cycle. Ending options should include esp for 100% renegade that Harbinger denies shepard the right to die and becomes indoctrinated as part of Harbinger's current army to lead the ground forces sucking and warping shepard;s commandering talents and unique powers shepard become the 'general' of repaer ground forces and joins the enemy he vows to destroy helping to destroy eart6h and wipe out the galaxy the ultimate true renegade option. Others were less than 100% renegade should be shepard either cvommiting suicide to escape Reaper torment or dying in a firefight with Harbinger.

3.- Associating Renegade or majority renegade path with shepard having less chance of surviving more chance of dying vs paragon where it is hoped more chance or surviving less chance of dying is key to distinguishing between the two paths something that bioware has done incredibly qwell then threw that all the way for the ending of the trilogy

4.- bearing in mind that Synthesis implies unity and peace through a literal forging of cybernetic and synthetic with organic implies no more wars no more mass effect adventures furtherdestruction of mass relays undoes the mass effect franchise ending the franchise logically with such a extreme ending which many agree with me is too far removed from the chain of lead up events- if anyting wihtout fusion, the opposite of opposution is cooperation therefore, you must a) NOT have an ending destroying the mass effect relays (otherwise what the point on calling it masss effect? how does one in future games explore the galaxy further if this is the identical ending for paragon and renegade? Synthesis is good to end the entire franchise but it is too fare above and beyond where the first 3 parts of the entire mass effect franchise story is about- instead the option of peace between synthetics and organics as the best possible outcome- in the short ending- synthetic enemies are the heart of mass effect implied by reaper's technological superiority and in future franchises despite their destruction or it is assumed, a new variation of a synthetic/ organic fused army should rise tghe reapers were one of many possibilities but synthesis does not make any sense at all as an ending based on current events that are concluded as a tiny portion of the broader mass effect universe.

I sincerely hope as one of the most passionate fans bioware along with so many others that you seriously don't just say you 'take note' but you apply at least most of what we suggestng the message from the increasing social media based record breaking movement is to support your game are plweading with you to show not just say the extent you care about all your fans.

Upmost faithfully that you wont let us down, on behalf of all bioware devotees,
a devoted fan

[sean10mm]

The ending is bad because it's at odds with whole swathes of content in the game we just played up to that point.  Telling the woman who just ended the Geth-Quarian conflict, and made them allies, and united them against the Reapers, and whose pilot is dating an AI, that organic and synthetic can't co-exist is just stunningly incoherent.

"Hey, Space Brat, I just solved an example of the problem you said was unsolvable without using genoicde.  Crazy, huh?"

Even if that wasn't true, why should we even accept the Star Child's premise in the first place?  Just because?  Just becuase there is conflict now doesn't mean it is inevitable forever.  There is no reasoning behind the assertion at all, just some word salad.

A consistent conflict ran through the entire series - STOP THE REAPERS - and then you take a swerve at the end with some "philosophical" problem whose premise makes no sense within the story we've just experienced?  That's a terrible decision.  Luke didn't cure space leprosy at the end of the original Star Wars trilogy, he confronted the villains that had been dogging him over the previous movies.

The only thing worse than the actual ending is some of the fanfic being suggested in its place. 

[improperdancing]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Anthonx wrote...

Make sure the ending is optional, I dislike the way the story went from beginning to end. But keep your vision held and and the few who like it satisfied.

ME3 kinda lost me at "..Crucible. A weapon that can destroy the Reapers."

I was like "And we just happen to find those blueprints just now? How awefully convenient. That'll surely jump up and bite us in the galactic ass in the end."

Soon I realized it was indeed a weapon to destroy the Reapers, mostly because I seemed to be the only one questioning its source. And I was like "Why the f*ck a deus ex machina like that? We needed none. The galaxy has Shepard ffs!"

Imagine my jaw falling as a second -- a SECOND!!!!!! -- deus ex machina revealed itself in the end, because -- and who the hell came up with that thin crap? -- deus ex machina #1 needed deus ex machina #2 to function.

Tuchanka and Rannoch made up for the thin plot that unraveled itself in the third part, thank The Shepard...

Mostly agree with you on all of that.  I think the entire thing would have been better if, unlike in every cycle before (which some of us had Javik to confirm), the galaxies in Shepherd's time stood united and were able to actually bring the fight to the Reapers.  

And then, the ending you get is based primarily on the decisions you made throughout the game.  Did you unite the quarians and the Geth?  Did you cure the genophage?  Did you save the Hanar homeworld?  All of those decisions could impact the results of the final battle.

If Shepherd had to die in that scenario, I'd be completely okay with that.  I for one, though, would love to see him die fighting, not making an arbitrary decision.

[Lunarth]

I want to see an ending that allows Shepard to live, be reunited with at least his LI if not his/her whole crew. I felt the game was amazingly brilliant up till the ending which I felt left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'd give ME3 a 10 if not for the ending Please see that this is changed!!(For my personal ending I want Shepard reunited with Tali.) This could even be acomplished in the form of aftermath DLC where shepard is rescued from the citedel/cataylst only available if you get the ending where shepard lives. 

Shepard MUST be reunited with his love interest(in my case, tali) 

Modifié par Lunarth, 29 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[Omnike]

Lunarth wrote...

I want to see an ending that allows Shepard to live, be reunited with at least his LI if not his/her whole crew. I felt the game was amazingly brilliant up till the ending which I felt left a bitter taste in my mouth. I'd give ME3 a 10 if not for the ending Please see that this is changed!!(For my personal ending I want Shepard reunited with Tali.) This could even be acomplished in the form of aftermath DLC where shepard is rescued from the citedel/cataylst only available if you get the ending where shepard lives. 

Shepard MUST be reunited with his love interest(in my case, tali) 

A happy ending would be nice. I think an ending that makes sense should be inbound first and foremost. But I do hope we get happy endings too.

Modifié par Omnike, 29 mars 2012 - 11:32 .

[Lordambitious]

Cheesesack wrote...

Just thought I'd leave my two cents here. This is, of course, all my opinion and my interpretation of what people on this forum want:

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: no one is going to be satisfied with a DLC that just adds some extra 'clarification' to the ending. End of story. The ending is iredeemedly bad in it's current form and no amount of additional dialouge can fix that while it stays as it is.

When people complain about not getting the chance to see their squad's epilouge, or about the plot holes, or about Shepard's out-of-character behavior, they do not mean they want a few extra scenes showing those things plastered onto the exisiting ending. What they mean is that they want an entirely new ending that doesn't create these problems in the first place.

Anything approaching a satisfactory explanation of current events would be so long-winded, contrived, convoluted and forced that it would be totally unbelievable and would probably make things worse than they are currently. Bioware has to bite the bullet, swallow their pride and retcon the entire mess if they want to have any hope of keeping the 50,00+ fans who have expressed dissatisfaction.

The ending as it stands, is a pile of feces. No matter how much whipped cream and choclate sauce you put on that feces, no one is going to want to eat it. Just bring us another dish; an edible one.

The DLC should do the following things:

1) Replace the exisiting ending. Either through use of the Indoctrination Theory, another (believable) plot deice or simply by removing what is currently there.

2) Provide a spectrum of endings from happy to sad. An ending where Shepard and the squad win the war, survive, retire and start families is still bittersweet enough. After all, millions of people have died and whole planets lie in ruins; not to mention people like Mordin sacrificing themselves. There is no need to force a 'sad' ending by making Shepard die/destroying the mass Relays. It isn't deep or artistic, it's just forced. That said, there should be plenty of less good endings where Shepard/the squad/the whole galaxy can die. Let people have the emotional tone they want.

3) Incorporate player choice in a meaningful way. We don't expect every little detail to be reflected, but at least some reference to the major decision is essential. Did we save the Rachni? Who did we side with; Salarians or Krogan? Quarian or Geth? The major points should impact the ending in a meaningful way. Any choices made by the player should be done so for justifyable reasons. Not; deus ex machina asks you to walk down the blue red or green path (I still can't beleive something so terrible was included in this game).

4) Provide ample closure. A bit of open-ended speculation is fine. Not explaining anything and expecting people to fix your own plot holes for you isn't. We want to leave with a few, poigniant questions. Where did the Reapers come from? What does curing the Genophage mean in the long run? Does the peace between the Geth and Quarians last? Those are fine. Not showing anything about our squadmates, the other races of the galaxy and erasing you entire IP by blowing up the Mass Relays for no reason is not okay.

I think that covers everything. Make that DLC a reality, and I will throw my money at you. Fail to deliver, and many, many people will walk away in disgust.

^this guy gets it. REPLACE THE ENDING! Don't just try to tack on a few "clarification points"

[Chrislo1990]

In order to recapture the spirit of Mass Effect, ME3 must offer us varied endings dependent on past decisions, moral inclination, reputation, and so and so forth. As such, it is crucial that they offer the option of allowing Shepard the opportunity to survive the war. The only way I can see htis being implemented is through the indoctrination theory. The whole Catalyst thing is just as ridiculous as it is illogical. Please Bioware redeem yourself and allow us to determine each of our individuals Shepards' fates through our styles of play. The formula worked for ME1 and 2. Let it return in ME3.

Hold the Line.

[Chrislo1990]

Lordambitious wrote...

Cheesesack wrote...

Just thought I'd leave my two cents here. This is, of course, all my opinion and my interpretation of what people on this forum want:

Let me make one thing perfectly clear: no one is going to be satisfied with a DLC that just adds some extra 'clarification' to the ending. End of story. The ending is iredeemedly bad in it's current form and no amount of additional dialouge can fix that while it stays as it is.

When people complain about not getting the chance to see their squad's epilouge, or about the plot holes, or about Shepard's out-of-character behavior, they do not mean they want a few extra scenes showing those things plastered onto the exisiting ending. What they mean is that they want an entirely new ending that doesn't create these problems in the first place.

Anything approaching a satisfactory explanation of current events would be so long-winded, contrived, convoluted and forced that it would be totally unbelievable and would probably make things worse than they are currently. Bioware has to bite the bullet, swallow their pride and retcon the entire mess if they want to have any hope of keeping the 50,00+ fans who have expressed dissatisfaction.

The ending as it stands, is a pile of feces. No matter how much whipped cream and choclate sauce you put on that feces, no one is going to want to eat it. Just bring us another dish; an edible one.

The DLC should do the following things:

1) Replace the exisiting ending. Either through use of the Indoctrination Theory, another (believable) plot deice or simply by removing what is currently there.

2) Provide a spectrum of endings from happy to sad. An ending where Shepard and the squad win the war, survive, retire and start families is still bittersweet enough. After all, millions of people have died and whole planets lie in ruins; not to mention people like Mordin sacrificing themselves. There is no need to force a 'sad' ending by making Shepard die/destroying the mass Relays. It isn't deep or artistic, it's just forced. That said, there should be plenty of less good endings where Shepard/the squad/the whole galaxy can die. Let people have the emotional tone they want.

3) Incorporate player choice in a meaningful way. We don't expect every little detail to be reflected, but at least some reference to the major decision is essential. Did we save the Rachni? Who did we side with; Salarians or Krogan? Quarian or Geth? The major points should impact the ending in a meaningful way. Any choices made by the player should be done so for justifyable reasons. Not; deus ex machina asks you to walk down the blue red or green path (I still can't beleive something so terrible was included in this game).

4) Provide ample closure. A bit of open-ended speculation is fine. Not explaining anything and expecting people to fix your own plot holes for you isn't. We want to leave with a few, poigniant questions. Where did the Reapers come from? What does curing the Genophage mean in the long run? Does the peace between the Geth and Quarians last? Those are fine. Not showing anything about our squadmates, the other races of the galaxy and erasing you entire IP by blowing up the Mass Relays for no reason is not okay.

I think that covers everything. Make that DLC a reality, and I will throw my money at you. Fail to deliver, and many, many people will walk away in disgust.

^this guy gets it. REPLACE THE ENDING! Don't just try to tack on a few "clarification points"

Excellent post. This guy definitely hit the nail on the head here. Simply clarifying is not enough because the endings as they stand take away player choice. Everything we've done up to that point, whether we were paragon or renegade, whether we chose to save this individual and not the the ohter, and whether we were able to accumulate a certain amount of EMS point would have been in vain. The endings have to conform to our styles of play. End of story. The Star Child things has to go!! Hold the Line guys!

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 29 mars 2012 - 11:57 .

[XyA_DeathKnight]

So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

[Omnike]

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

Welcome aboard, my man.

[luci90]

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...
So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

Hop aboard the rage train, brother.

[XyA_DeathKnight]

Omnike wrote...

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

Welcome aboard, my man.

Thanks. I think I'm going to go vent my frustration at the gym. I just finished and I pretty much want to destroy everything in sight. I can't believe how much time I've put into this franchise (and BioWare games in general) just to get this @&*%^&$ ending.

[Chrislo1990]

Hey guys I thought I'd share this link with you guys. It found it on twitter. The link formward you to a Mass Effect 3 ending generator. Haha it's quite funny how this simple little system can provide more player choice than ME3 did in the entire game. Bioware you should take notice:
http://www.writing.c...ding-Generator/
Hold the Line.

[McMaximilian]

I guess my complaints about the ending fall into two camps. Content and delivery.
Let us deal with delivery first. Assuming that the ending shown is the one bioware want then even then they still have their work cut out. There are so many plot holes, inconsistencies etc that the whole cut scene becomes risible. A dlc providing more explanation might be able to fix this but even then it would miss the point of most of the criticism levelled at the ending, that it is completely out of place.
With regards to the content; bioware said they wanted a bittersweet ending. What they've actually delivered is a pyrrhic victory. No matter what you do the universe is totally screwed. That is not what mass effect has been about. The choices have always placed personal suffering and loss against galactic benefi forcing you to make tough choices that have emotional weight to them. In that vein having Shepard die is acceptable but only leaving choices that doom the very fabric of the universe is not.

it seems clear that the ending needs to be completely re written or it will be looked back upon as an example of what not to do which is a shame because the series thus far had been a shining example of the opposite.

I also think that bioware missed a trick with the whole Shepard death thing. A choice between your life at the cost of millions or another species or death to save them all would have been a genuinely hard one to make. Anyway that's a fairly undisciplined rant, maybe I'll organise my thoughts and return with a better one soon.

[Chrislo1990]

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

Omnike wrote...

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

Welcome aboard, my man.

Thanks. I think I'm going to go vent my frustration at the gym. I just finished and I pretty much want to destroy everything in sight. I can't believe how much time I've put into this franchise (and BioWare games in general) just to get this @&*%^&$ ending.

I feel for you man. We all do. If you have anything at all you want to complain about pleasedo so. Just remember not be aggressive lol

[Hexley UK]

The following is a basic description of the kind if ending I would like to see -

Crucible weakens the Reapers and turns the tide in the space battle above earth.

Sheperd
uses the beam to return to earth and face Harbinger, Awesome dialogue
between Harby and Sheperd ensues culminating in epic boss battle.
Perhaps some of our assets joining in the battle here with Harby and
other lesser enemies.(Sheperd lives or dies after defeating Harby based
on EMS, Damage to earth same basis).

End sequence showing the consequences i.e Epic funeral for Sheperd or awesome celebration depending.

Scenes showing consequences of major plot points (Geth & Quarians, Genophage ect...)

Final scene with all surviving crewmates and LI.

Job done.

Then Mass Effect 4 with Sheperd and crewmates on a new mission with a better ending first time round this time please.

[Omnike]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

Omnike wrote...

XyA_DeathKnight wrote...

So... is this where we go to rage about the ending to ME3? Because right now my rageahol level is off the charts.

Confused  &  Angry.

That is all.

Welcome aboard, my man.

Thanks. I think I'm going to go vent my frustration at the gym. I just finished and I pretty much want to destroy everything in sight. I can't believe how much time I've put into this franchise (and BioWare games in general) just to get this @&*%^&$ ending.

I feel for you man. We all do. If you have anything at all you want to complain about pleasedo so. Just remember not be aggressive lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. I ship out for boot camp May 7th. I can't tell you how frustrating it will be to have to wait for the ending through all of that.

[Chrislo1990]

Hexley UK wrote...

The following is a basic description of the kind if ending I would like to see -

Crucible weakens the Reapers and turns the tide in the space battle above earth.

Sheperd
uses the beam to return to earth and face Harbinger, Awesome dialogue
between Harby and Sheperd ensues culminating in epic boss battle.
Perhaps some of our assets joining in the battle here with Harby and
other lesser enemies.(Sheperd lives or dies after defeating Harby based
on EMS, Damage to earth same basis).

End sequence showing the consequences i.e Epic funeral for Sheperd or awesome celebration depending.

Scenes showing consequences of major plot points (Geth & Quarians, Genophage ect...)

Final scene with all surviving crewmates and LI.

Job done.

Then Mass Effect 4 with Sheperd and crewmates on a new mission with a better ending first time round this time please.

One word: AWESOME!!! I too hope that we get a Mass Effect 4 where we can continue to play as Shepard. We've all bonded with our individual Shepard's so much. It would be quite difficult to just stop playing as them.

Whatever happens though, one thing is clear. Bioware screwed up and NEEDS TO FIX THE ENDINGS!!! INDOCTRINATION THEORY ftw. It's the only thing that can save the franchise. I can't come up witht a better solution.

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 30 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Thanatos144]

If thheg change the ending they will nd destroying the masseffect lore.

[Pain Train]

A helpful clarification to the Destroy option:

The whole notion of killing all synthetics with the destroy option is stupid as you have shown this is not necessary, but a few word changes could make this more easy to swallow (it does NOT fix all the other logic/plot holes, however).

Instead of stating you will be destroying all synthetics, mention destroying only indoctrinated synthetics and geth heretics. DONE. Thus, all the work you do in reuniting the geth/quarians (IF you choice that outcome) won't result in complete worthless effort.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

If thheg change the ending they will nd destroying the masseffect lore.

Lol, they already did that champ.