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[jeweledleah]

since I frappsed the ending (to show a friend who doesn't own the game) - I just went back and watched that scene. Shepard NEVER reaches any button, she looses consciousness. apparently the mighty catalyst that controls the citadel essentially controls that one button. or something. if you are willing to wait for an hour or so, i'll even upload that vid to youtube.

[Darth Garrus]

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

Agreed.  I would happily pay $9.99 for the Alternate Endings DLC.  Heck, I'd drop $60 just so I could start getting sleep again at night.

Well, if that was the plan from the start, I can think about buying the DLC for a low price (it should be free, even being so costly to produce, sadly). And whatever ME3 thing I think deserves to be bought for a better gaming. But make no mistake. It will be the last EA game I'll ever buy. These things can't go unpunished. Or at least I won't take part of it anymore.

[dfstone]

If they didn't put that stupid in there and used Harbringer or something I might have had a better time with it. Or at least the opprotunity to ask the damn thing some questions. I mean here you are at the final scene of the whole story where you finally find out whats going on and you can't even ask the glowing blob what its name is.

[jeweledleah]

Versidious wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins is an excellent example...   DA:O SPOILERS You can survive, sacrifice yourself, or sacrifice someone else. You have a choice of bittersweet endings, or a foreboding but overall happy ending (Especially if you were romancing Morrigan, when the happy ending just really helps to continue your own character's saga well).

Also, let's not forget that Bethesda was more than happy to change the end of their game, Fallout 3, in response to the fans. Fallout 3 is an excellent game and, as I recall, was a Game of the Year. You don't see anyone campaigning for subsequent Bethesda Games to be completely rewritten, because Bethesda has delivered what its fans want since.

didn't even have to be forboding.  romance Leliana or Zevran, have Loghain sacrifice himself, have hardened Alistair marry Anora.  no dark rituals, best combination of rulers for Ferelden and you stay with your LI.

[Versidious]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

If Lord of The Rings' ending was like ME3's:

"Frodo, tired and clasping at the last fraction of his will, reached the top of Mount Doom. As he stumbled, with the ring pulling him to the ground, a voice behind him broke his determined steps toward the edge. Gollum? He thought. How can this b--? The end."

More like, it ended at the moment he and Gollum fall off the edge of Mount Doom, then cuts to Aragorn getting coronated very briefly (In a choice of colours, perhaps), replete with Frodo and Sam present. Then an old British man closes a book by the fireplace, and tells us he'll perhaps tell us another story about the Frodo (and his Sam) another time.

[Sintaris]

OK, I personally believe that Bioware intended the indoctrination theory ending, and if they didn't, I applaud them for accidentally writing in an ending in which IT makes perfect sense.

But given how little definitive information we have, I've been reflecting on possible explanations for the ending if it ISN'T indoctrination theory.

So I was thinking about this little Boy/Reaper-Indoctrination-Device/Star Child/God/Thing and the fact that he keeps appearing to Shepard in dreams as burning, but not actually on fire.  It made me think of Moses & the Burning Bush.  
Knowing Bioware has used Biblical references in the past (Legion, Lazarus Project, etc.), I went to http://bible.org/ser...sh-exodus-31-15 and brushed up on my burning bush stories, and I discovered a summary to the Book of Exodus.
  
I took the summary and did some find/replace action.  I will readily admit several of these are ginormous stretches and/or not very close to being spot on, but STILL...  it's amazing how uncannily accurate this is in places to the ME3 trilogy.
Check what happens when I make these swaps: 
  
Exodus = Mass Effect
Israel = The Known Galaxy
Israelites = Organics
Egyptians = Reapers
Egypt = Earth
God = Star Child
Pharaoh = Sovereign (Ch1) Harbinger (Ch2/3)
a woven ark = The Normandy
Hebrew Boy Babies = Human
Handmaids  = Indoctrinated Ones
The Nile = a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge
Moses = Shepard
Settling down, marrying, and having children = Reinstatement to the Alliance
Nation = Galaxy
Pharaoh's Daughter = The Illusive Man
Midian = The Alliance
Midianit Priest = Alliance General
400 yrs = 50,000 yrs
Chapter 2 = ME2
Chapter 3 = ME3
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
In the first chapter of the Book of [Mass Effect], we learned of the cruel oppression of the [Organics] by the [Reapers]. [Star Child]’s blessings of the [Organics] caused the [Reapers] to fear them and to attempt to insure their control over them. This began with enslavement and harsh treatment. When this failed, [Sovereign] ordered the [Indoctrinated Ones] to kill all the [Organic] [Humans] at birth. This also failed to accomplish the goal of annihilating the [Organics] as a race. The first chapter ends with the order of [Sovereign] to the entire [Reaper] population that they must throw the [Humans] into [a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge].
  
[ME2] focuses on one [Human], [Shepard], who is destined to become the deliverer of the [galaxy]. The parents of this child hide him for three months, refusing to obey [Harbinger]’s order. Eventually they concede to partially obey, “casting [Shepard] into [a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge]” in [the Normandy]. What could well have been the death of [Shepard] became his deliverance, as he was rescued by [The Illusive Man] and eventually taken into the palace to be raised as [his] son. There came a time, however, when [Shepard] decided to identify himself with his own people, and thus he refused to be known as the son of [The Illusive Man]. This identification of [Shepard] with his people led to his visiting the [Organics] and the killing of [a] [Reaper]. Hence, we are told of [Shepard]’s flight to [The Alliance] to escape [Harbinger]’s attempts to kill him once again. A “chance” meeting with [An Alliance General], who was a distant relative, led to [Shepard]’s [reinstatement to the Alliance].  From all that we are told, we would hardly expect to see [Shepard] back on [Earth] again, and certainly not as [Star Child]’s deliverer.
  
[ME3] introduces a significant change in the drama of the deliverance of [Star Child]’s people from [Reapers]. From [Star Child]’s providential dealings in the life of [The Known Galaxy], we move to [Star Child]’s direct intervention through [Shepard] and the miracles performed by Him. We move from the silence of [Star Child] over the past [50,000] years to [Star Child]’s speaking directly to [Shepard] from the bush, and later on, from the same mountain.
    
[ME3] then is a very significant point of transition.  It begins with the revelation of [Star Child] to [Shepard] from the midst of the burning bush. It develops with the commissioning of [Shepard] to go back to [Earth] and [Harbinger] and to deliver [Star Child]’s people from their oppression and bondage.  It ends with the beginnings of [Shepard]'s reticence and resistance toward the task which [Star Child] has given him.

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I'm astounded that with very little mad lib swapouts, this ALMOST describes the ME3 trilogy.  Now I ain't saying Bioware INTENDED this, but it gave me food for thought.  Of particular interest to me - if the story of Exodus was AT ALL an inspiration to Bioware, is the crisis of faith Moses[Shepard] has while dealing with God[Star Child] at the end of Chapter 3.
  
Again, I'm just speculating on the ending IF the Indoc Theory was NOT Bioware's intent.  Then perhaps the lifting of the platform in heavenly light as Shepard collapses is a legit meeting with a higher power / God?  The "beings of light" that Kumun Shol talked about on Klencory.  
  
I did some more research and God's reply to Moses when he asks who he is?  "I AM that I AM."  That's a pretty cryptic reply.  Almost as cryptic as some of what Star Child says.
  
So if Star Child is a higher entity, then perhaps instead of breaking free of indoctrination, Shepard is being tested.  God told Moses to pick up a snake in Exodus and turns his hand leprous.  Perhaps Star Child is testing Shepard to see if he has the strength of faith in destroying the Reapers.  "Have organic beings evolved in this cycle to the point where they can REALLY turn away from the power that the Reapers represent?"
  
I dunno.  I'm stretching across three continents, I admit, but I was doing some research for indoctrination theory and I thought this was an enlightening alternative if IT doesn't cut the mustard for you.  
  
I'm still a firm believer in the Indoctrination Theory being intentional, and the final choices are all a giant Reaper mindgame, but if that was never Bioware's intent, looking at it through the lens of the story of Exodus is pretty cool, too.  For me, anyway.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]  

Modifié par Sintaris, 30 mars 2012 - 04:29 .

[Versidious]

jeweledleah wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Dragon Age: Origins is an excellent example...   DA:O SPOILERS You can survive, sacrifice yourself, or sacrifice someone else. You have a choice of bittersweet endings, or a foreboding but overall happy ending (Especially if you were romancing Morrigan, when the happy ending just really helps to continue your own character's saga well).

Also, let's not forget that Bethesda was more than happy to change the end of their game, Fallout 3, in response to the fans. Fallout 3 is an excellent game and, as I recall, was a Game of the Year. You don't see anyone campaigning for subsequent Bethesda Games to be completely rewritten, because Bethesda has delivered what its fans want since.

didn't even have to be forboding.  romance Leliana or Zevran, have Loghain sacrifice himself, have hardened Alistair marry Anora.  no dark rituals, best combination of rulers for Ferelden and you stay with your LI.

Oooo, I did not know that a hardened Alistair would accept Logain. When I played through with a hardened Alistair, I was playing as a bloodthirsty Berserker/Reaver, and killed Logain outright.

[DJCaptainPicard]

jeweledleah wrote...

since I frappsed the ending (to show a friend who doesn't own the game) - I just went back and watched that scene. Shepard NEVER reaches any button, she looses consciousness. apparently the mighty catalyst that controls the citadel essentially controls that one button. or something. if you are willing to wait for an hour or so, i'll even upload that vid to youtube.

Awesome--I thought so.  I remember watching the plaform rising up and thinking, "Gee, that was awfully convenient..." 

[Versidious]

Sintaris wrote...

OK, I personally believe that Bioware intended the indoctrination theory ending, and if they didn't, I applaud them for accidentally writing in an ending in which IT makes perfect sense.

But given how little definitive information we have, I've been reflecting on possible explanations for the ending if it ISN'T indoctrination theory.

So I was thinking about this little Boy/Reaper-Indoctrination-Device/Star Child/God/Thing and the fact that he keeps appearing to Shepard in dreams as burning, but not actually on fire.  It made me think of Moses & the Burning Bush.  
Knowing Bioware has used Biblical references in the past (Legion, Lazarus Project, etc.), I went to http://bible.org/ser...sh-exodus-31-15 and brushed up on my burning bush stories, and I discovered a summary to the Book of Exodus.
  
I took the summary and did some find/replace action.  I will readily admit several of these are ginormous stretches and/or not very close to being spot on, but STILL...  it's amazing how uncannily accurate this is in places to the ME3 trilogy.
Check what happens when I make these swaps: 
  
Exodus = Mass Effect
Israel = The Known Galaxy
Israelites = Organics
Egyptians = Reapers
Egypt = Earth
God = Star Child
Pharaoh = Sovereign (Ch1) Harbinger (Ch2/3)
a woven ark = The Normandy
Hebrew Boy Babies = Human
Handmaids  = Indoctrinated Ones
The Nile = a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge
Moses = Shepard
Settling down, marrying, and having children = Reinstatement to the Alliance
Nation = Galaxy
Pharaoh's Daughter = The Illusive Man
Midian = The Alliance
Midianit Priest = Alliance General
400 yrs = 50,000 yrs
Chapter 2 = ME2
Chapter 3 = ME3
--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
In the first chapter of the Book of [Mass Effect], we learned of the cruel oppression of the [Organics] by the [Reapers]. [Star Child]’s blessings of the [Organics] caused the [Reapers] to fear them and to attempt to insure their control over them. This began with enslavement and harsh treatment. When this failed, [Sovereign] ordered the [Indoctrinated Ones] to kill all the [Organic] [Humans] at birth. This also failed to accomplish the goal of annihilating the [Organics] as a race. The first chapter ends with the order of [Sovereign] to the entire [Reaper] population that they must throw the [Humans] into [a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge].
  
[ME2] focuses on one [Human], [Shepard], who is destined to become the deliverer of the [galaxy]. The parents of this child hide him for three months, refusing to obey [Harbinger]’s order. Eventually they concede to partially obey, “casting [Shepard] into [a River of Reaper-Making Organic Sludge]” in [the Normandy]. What could well have been the death of [Shepard] became his deliverance, as he was rescued by [The Illusive Man] and eventually taken into the palace to be raised as [his] son. There came a time, however, when [Shepard] decided to identify himself with his own people, and thus he refused to be known as the son of [The Illusive Man]. This identification of [Shepard] with his people led to his visiting the [Organics] and the killing of [a] [Reaper]. Hence, we are told of [Shepard]’s flight to [The Alliance] to escape [Harbinger]’s attempts to kill him once again. A “chance” meeting with [An Alliance General], who was a distant relative, led to [Shepard]’s [reinstatement to the Alliance].  From all that we are told, we would hardly expect to see [Shepard] back on [Earth] again, and certainly not as [Star Child]’s deliverer.
  
[ME3] introduces a significant change in the drama of the deliverance of [Star Child]’s people from [Reapers]. From [Star Child]’s providential dealings in the life of [The Known Galaxy], we move to [Star Child]’s direct intervention through [Shepard] and the miracles performed by Him. We move from the silence of [Star Child] over the past [50,000] years to [Star Child]’s speaking directly to [Shepard] from the bush, and later on, from the same mountain.
    
[ME3] then is a very significant point of transition.  It begins with the revelation of [Star Child] to [Shepard] from the midst of the burning bush. It develops with the commissioning of [Shepard] to go back to [Earth] and [Harbinger] and to deliver [Star Child]’s people from their oppression and bondage.  It ends with the beginnings of [Shepard]'s reticence and resistance toward the task which [Star Child] has given him.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm astounded that with very little mad lib swapouts, this ALMOST describes the ME3 trilogy.  Now I ain't saying Bioware INTENDED this, but it gave me food for thought.  Of particular interest to me - if the story of Exodus was AT ALL an inspiration to Bioware, is the crisis of faith Moses[Shepard] has while dealing with God[Star Child] at the end of Chapter 3.
  
Again, I'm just speculating on the ending IF the Indoc Theory was NOT Bioware's intent.  Then perhaps the lifting of the platform in heavenly light as Shepard collapses is a legit meeting with a higher power / God?  The "beings of light" that Kumun Shol talked about on Klencory.  
  
I did some more research and God's reply to Moses when he asks who he is?  "I AM that I AM."  That's a pretty cryptic reply.  Almost as cryptic as some of what Star Child says.
  
So if Star Child is a higher entity, then perhaps instead of breaking free of indoctrination, Shepard is being tested.  God told Moses to pick up a snake in Exodus and turns his hand leprous.  Perhaps Star Child is testing Shepard to see if he has the strength of faith in destroying the Reapers.  "Have organic beings evolved in this cycle to the point where they can REALLY turn away from the power that the Reapers represent?"
  
I dunno.  I'm stretching across three continents, I admit, but I was doing some research for indoctrination theory and I thought this was an enlightening alternative if IT doesn't cut the mustard for you.  
  
I'm still a firm believer in the Indoctrination Theory being intentional, and the final choices are all a giant Reaper mindgame, but if that was never Bioware's intent, looking at it through the lens of the story of Exodus is pretty cool, too.  For me, anyway.  [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/happy.png[/smilie]  

I hope not. I'm no anti-theist, but I'd really hate to think that this was all a biblical allegory, and that that thing was meant to be God, or at least a god. It would make things sooo much worse. Even back when I was a Christian, I would not have been happy about it.

[jeweledleah]

Versidious wrote...

Oooo, I did not know that a hardened Alistair would accept Logain. When I played through with a hardened Alistair, I was playing as a bloodthirsty Berserker/Reaver, and killed Logain outright.

he still leaves your party.  but.  he's easier to convince of certain duties and since Anora just wants her fathers life spared at the meet - you can kill him off later and keep him a hero.  it takes a bit of careful setup (gotta negotiate that marriage in advance), but its very doable.  as male Cousland warden, you can also marry Anora and co-rule with her
DAO endings have a lot and I mean A LOT of variation to them, which amuses me greatly. 

makes me wonder why they coudln't have come up with something similar for ME3.. I know, different team, but I know they talk, swap ideas.. and animations.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Versidious wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

If Lord of The Rings' ending was like ME3's:

"Frodo, tired and clasping at the last fraction of his will, reached the top of Mount Doom. As he stumbled, with the ring pulling him to the ground, a voice behind him broke his determined steps toward the edge. Gollum? He thought. How can this b--? The end."

More like, it ended at the moment he and Gollum fall off the edge of Mount Doom, then cuts to Aragorn getting coronated very briefly (In a choice of colours, perhaps), replete with Frodo and Sam present. Then an old British man closes a book by the fireplace, and tells us he'll perhaps tell us another story about the Frodo (and his Sam) another time.

Haha, yeah  I didn't feel like going too deep into it.

My point is that the game simply just ends... in LoTR's context when Sam and Frodo are halfway into Mordor, really  As in.. you know it's about to end, right? Just not without an actual ending.

My point is even stronger against those who say: "If the Indoctrination Theory is correct, change nothing! It's awesome!" Because IF the IT is correct, the ending isn't just crappy as when it's false... but it also literally stops prematurely. According to the IT, Shepard wakes up on Earth after being struck by the beam. What the **** happens after that, then? Freaking boggles the mind. No, seriously! If I try to understand it, it feels like my brain is about to implode.

[Versidious]

jeweledleah wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Oooo, I did not know that a hardened Alistair would accept Logain. When I played through with a hardened Alistair, I was playing as a bloodthirsty Berserker/Reaver, and killed Logain outright.

he still leaves your party.  but.  he's easier to convince of certain duties and since Anora just wants her fathers life spared at the meet - you can kill him off later and keep him a hero.  it takes a bit of careful setup (gotta negotiate that marriage in advance), but its very doable.  as male Cousland warden, you can also marry Anora and co-rule with her
DAO endings have a lot and I mean A LOT of variation to them, which amuses me greatly. 

makes me wonder why they coudln't have come up with something similar for ME3.. I know, different team, but I know they talk, swap ideas.. and animations.

Definitely. What they were promising sounded a lot like DA:O's multiple endings, which is what I was expecting, and that shows that the studio as a whole at least contains people capable of delivering such a thing. Even DA2, which only had two endings (That I can think of) had better and more varied endings than ME3.

[DJCaptainPicard]

@Versidious, I like your point about Fallout 3 modifying their ending to allow players to continue with their character.  I feel like it should be some kind of legal precedent--Fans vs. Bethesda.  Building on that precedent, we now ask BioWare to follow suit, although we are asking for a radical change in their "artistic integrity."

Modifié par DJCaptainPicard, 30 mars 2012 - 04:42 .

[Versidious]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

If Lord of The Rings' ending was like ME3's:

"Frodo, tired and clasping at the last fraction of his will, reached the top of Mount Doom. As he stumbled, with the ring pulling him to the ground, a voice behind him broke his determined steps toward the edge. Gollum? He thought. How can this b--? The end."

More like, it ended at the moment he and Gollum fall off the edge of Mount Doom, then cuts to Aragorn getting coronated very briefly (In a choice of colours, perhaps), replete with Frodo and Sam present. Then an old British man closes a book by the fireplace, and tells us he'll perhaps tell us another story about the Frodo (and his Sam) another time.

Haha, yeah  I didn't feel like going too deep into it.

My point is that the game simply just ends... in LoTR's context when Sam and Frodo are halfway into Mordor, really  As in.. you know it's about to end, right? Just not without an actual ending.

My point is even stronger against those who say: "If the Indoctrination Theory is correct, change nothing! It's awesome!" Because IF the IT is correct, the ending isn't just crappy as when it's false... but it also literally stops prematurely. According to the IT, Shepard wakes up on Earth after being struck by the beam. What the **** happens after that, then? Freaking boggles the mind. No, seriously! If I try to understand it, it feels like my brain is about to implode.

Yeah, it's the NOT KNOWING that really irritates me. I could have handled the Starchild (well, almost. Let's not get carried away here, he is still terribly out of place and illogical) if everything else had actually made any sense, if things had genuinely been resolved! If you've decided that that is definitely the end of your series, don't leave it on an enigmatic note! It's not unique, or even that clever - it's been done a dozen times before, and even the Adam and Eve it's-a-brave-new-world thing with Joker and EDI has been done before in sci-fi, a hundred times.

[Thanatos144]

Seeing I have to go to work soon I will wrap up today saying if you hate the ending I guess you should pray for a different one. I for one don't think they need to change it. Sure I wouldn't mind more content but I don't think they should do so cause of a few whining players.

[jeweledleah]

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

since I frappsed the ending (to show a friend who doesn't own the game) - I just went back and watched that scene. Shepard NEVER reaches any button, she looses consciousness. apparently the mighty catalyst that controls the citadel essentially controls that one button. or something. if you are willing to wait for an hour or so, i'll even upload that vid to youtube.

Awesome--I thought so.  I remember watching the plaform rising up and thinking, "Gee, that was awfully convenient..." 

there, figured out how to shrink and cut down that movie to a pertinent part.. so don't even have to wait a whole hour

www.youtube.com/watch

@ Versidius, yeah, DAO style ending is what I've been expecting as well.

at this point though, I don't know what to expect anymore.  I'm gearing up for disapoitment though, even as I hope for the best, my SO knows to have plenty of chocolate and earplugs at hand for April 6th

Modifié par jeweledleah, 30 mars 2012 - 04:52 .

[Rex Fallout]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Seeing I have to go to work soon I will wrap up today saying if you hate the ending I guess you should pray for a different one. I for one don't think they need to change it. Sure I wouldn't mind more content but I don't think they should do so cause of a few whining players.

Ok, ignoring the few 'whining' players, what about the glaring plot holes?  Should they attempt to fix them?  Of course they are just a couple huge ass plot holes, it's not like the universe is dependent on them being fixed right?  A new Mass Effect game can be made after the reapers fairly easily by... oh wait.  The Mass Relays blew up.  Established in cannon because of the Arrival DLC, thos explosions would destroy all of the solar systems that happen to hold the relays.  So Sol is gone.  As is 99% of the fleets of all the races.  Quarians and Geth are pretty much dead.  And the few races that might have survived live on barren reaper burned worlds so they are probably going to die as well.  Oh Joy!  

[Omnike]

Rex Fallout wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Seeing I have to go to work soon I will wrap up today saying if you hate the ending I guess you should pray for a different one. I for one don't think they need to change it. Sure I wouldn't mind more content but I don't think they should do so cause of a few whining players.

Ok, ignoring the few 'whining' players, what about the glaring plot holes?  Should they attempt to fix them?  Of course they are just a couple huge ass plot holes, it's not like the universe is dependent on them being fixed right?  A new Mass Effect game can be made after the reapers fairly easily by... oh wait.  The Mass Relays blew up.  Established in cannon because of the Arrival DLC, thos explosions would destroy all of the solar systems that happen to hold the relays.  So Sol is gone.  As is 99% of the fleets of all the races.  Quarians and Geth are pretty much dead.  And the few races that might have survived live on barren reaper burned worlds so they are probably going to die as well.  Oh Joy!  

Nah man, don't bother. His defense of the plot holes were that "the writers put them there". He has no idea why he likes the endings. He's just trying to start arguments that he'll inevitably lose.

[LostLogics]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

LostLogics wrote...
<snip>

If the IT is sound, don't do anything?

Wait... WHAT!?

You are literally implying that if Shepard wins the battle of wills against the Reapers, and he wakes up on Earth after being struck by the beam, you're completely and utterly FINE with that being the end of the 3-games saga?!?!? I.. I can't wrap my head around that. Seriously. I cannot.

What happens with the war after Shep wakes up? Can you tell me that? Do they win? Do we win? Will Tali live? Will Garrus? Does Marauder Shields even exist?

You can't answer any of those questions, can you? And you're... FINE... with that?

It boggles the mind is what that does...

Sorry, my phrazing might have been off. I'm not a native English speaker. What I tried to convey was that if IT is sound, _and_ they give us the continuation of the ending after Shep wakes up in London, then keep stuff as is.
I def have need for more closure than what is currently given, even with the IT. 

[Theronyll Itholien]

LostLogics wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

LostLogics wrote...
<snip>

If the IT is sound, don't do anything?

Wait... WHAT!?

You are literally implying that if Shepard wins the battle of wills against the Reapers, and he wakes up on Earth after being struck by the beam, you're completely and utterly FINE with that being the end of the 3-games saga?!?!? I.. I can't wrap my head around that. Seriously. I cannot.

What happens with the war after Shep wakes up? Can you tell me that? Do they win? Do we win? Will Tali live? Will Garrus? Does Marauder Shields even exist?

You can't answer any of those questions, can you? And you're... FINE... with that?

It boggles the mind is what that does...

Sorry, my phrazing might have been off. I'm not a native English speaker. What I tried to convey was that if IT is sound, _and_ they give us the continuation of the ending after Shep wakes up in London, then keep stuff as is.
I def have need for more closure than what is currently given, even with the IT. 

Ahhh in that case, I fully agree with you

[Versidious]

jeweledleah wrote...

there, figured out how to shrink and cut down that movie to a pertinent part.. so don't even have to wait a whole hour

www.youtube.com/watch

@ Versidius, yeah, DAO style ending is what I've been expecting as well.

at this point though, I don't know what to expect anymore.  I'm gearing up for disapoitment though, even as I hope for the best, my SO knows to have plenty of chocolate and earplugs at hand for April 6th

Me too. I *want* to believe, but I'm not ready to, not just yet!

[dfstone]

I don't think they can fix ME3 with DLC. The whole story in ME3 is off the rails compared with the other 2.

In ME1 you released the Citadel from Reaper control and destroyed Soverign trapping the Reapers in Dark Space.

In ME2 the collectors tried to replace Soverign by building a new Reaper out of Human DNA. You destroy the Reaper before they finish it and destroy the collectors preventing the Reapers from returning. And if you got the Arrival DLC, you prevent another option, the Reapers going thru the Alpha Relay.

So far thats 3x you've stopped the Reapers from invading the galaxy.

So now ME3 starts and what happens, somehow the Reapers found there way back even though you destroyed soverign, released the citadel from their control, destroyed the collectors, destroyed the baby reaper and blew up the Alpha Relay. BUT THEY STILL CAME BACK and apparently could have came back whenever they felt like it. Making everything you did in ME1 and ME2 totally pointless.

There's no way they are going to fix that with just a DLC, imo.

[Benchpress610]

Omnike wrote...

Rex Fallout wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Seeing I have to go to work soon I will wrap up today saying if you hate the ending I guess you should pray for a different one. I for one don't think they need to change it. Sure I wouldn't mind more content but I don't think they should do so cause of a few whining players.

Ok, ignoring the few 'whining' players, what about the glaring plot holes?  Should they attempt to fix them?  Of course they are just a couple huge ass plot holes, it's not like the universe is dependent on them being fixed right?  A new Mass Effect game can be made after the reapers fairly easily by... oh wait.  The Mass Relays blew up.  Established in cannon because of the Arrival DLC, thos explosions would destroy all of the solar systems that happen to hold the relays.  So Sol is gone.  As is 99% of the fleets of all the races.  Quarians and Geth are pretty much dead.  And the few races that might have survived live on barren reaper burned worlds so they are probably going to die as well.  Oh Joy!  

Nah man, don't bother. His defense of the plot holes were that "the writers put them there". He has no idea why he likes the endings. He's just trying to start arguments that he'll inevitably lose.

Right...The best way to deal with these people is just ignore them.

[Darth Garrus]

dfstone wrote...

I don't think they can fix ME3 with DLC. The whole story in ME3 is off the rails compared with the other 2.

In ME1 you released the Citadel from Reaper control and destroyed Soverign trapping the Reapers in Dark Space.

In ME2 the collectors tried to replace Soverign by building a new Reaper out of Human DNA. You destroy the Reaper before they finish it and destroy the collectors preventing the Reapers from returning. And if you got the Arrival DLC, you prevent another option, the Reapers going thru the Alpha Relay.

So far thats 3x you've stopped the Reapers from invading the galaxy.

So now ME3 starts and what happens, somehow the Reapers found there way back even though you destroyed soverign, released the citadel from their control, destroyed the collectors, destroyed the baby reaper and blew up the Alpha Relay. BUT THEY STILL CAME BACK and apparently could have came back whenever they felt like it. Making everything you did in ME1 and ME2 totally pointless.

There's no way they are going to fix that with just a DLC, imo.

It was never said that any of those things would stop the Reapers from coming. It would only delay their arrival. The point was trying to gain time to convince the Council, the other Races, and get prepared.

[Sintaris]

Versidious wrote...

I hope not. I'm no anti-theist, but I'd really hate to think that this was all a biblical allegory, and that that thing was meant to be God, or at least a god. It would make things sooo much worse. Even back when I was a Christian, I would not have been happy about it.

I'm not a huge fan of the Biblical Allegory, either, but I'm not sure if it could get much sillier than some sort of Reaper/AI/Thing handing you the keys to the galactic convertible and using space magic to rewrite DNA and call off / destroy all Reapers in the span of 2 minutes in ways that defy everything we've ever been told while your heretofore dead squadmates run from the fight like cowards and get marooned on Gilligan's TechnoOrganic (or just plain Organic) Island. 

It's only been 4 days since I beat the game, and I still can't wrap my mind around the whole thing outside of IT.  It's the only path that makes ANY sense to me.

But then I keep wondering... would they really keep mum on this given what a beating they are taking in the public eye if IT was the intention all along?  If so, that's some serious dedication to storytelling.

Whether anything further comes down the pike, though, I'm happy enough reflecting on the journey of Shepard and not letting a mysteriously vague ending ruin the rest of the series for me.  It just means I need to replay ME1-3 again and wrap my mind around what happens from the getgo!  :happy: