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[chammie]

In my opinion the ending was very weak and did not match the character. He completely gives in without much of an arguement on the most important decision of the game. The choices seem odd at best not sure how control would be a paragon choice. I will say that the higher being avatar has been hinted at all along the game so I am not surprised by his apperance but the conversation is very onsided at  best and the directions this could have gone with would have been more satisfying.

The Crucible and linking it up could have been a test that previous civilizations had never passed. The Protheans almost did it but they always thought they had to carry the weight and that was their down fall. You have now passed the test and the Catalyst says that he can assist but there will be a price to pay for the assistance. To use the machine you must become one with the Crucible. Reapers fight in an extended fight scene and if your fleet strength is high enough they are decimated and finally only a few reapers remain. A scene now ensues with you and harbinger  in which you can allow the Reapers to live and leave our Galaxy never to return (Paragon Choice) or a renegade choice to utterly destroy them (once again only if you have enough assets). All ships and the crucible fire upon the remaining reapers. The catalyst gives a leaving speech saying that their work is done now and will rejoin the rest of the ascended races. You now ascend and become part of the energy of the Citadel basically becoming the new Catalyst. Your end scene could your LI and closest mates talking in the Citadel about how Shepard gave everything of himself to save the Galaxy not aware that he is all around them. Bittersweet ending. Of course that is just one idea out of dozens out there.

Going forward as much as I would like to see something like above there are only  a couple of choices. Extend the ending like they did with Fallout3(whose ending I actually had no problem with) using the indoctrination theory. It is alluded too in the entire game via dreams, the illusive man scene even the first two games etc. And if you choose to destroy and your fleet strength is high enough you see your self awake in the rubble. This could easily be explained that the indoctrination failed when you choose destroy. If your fleet strength was high enough the fleet came to your rescue and kept Harbinger from killing you and have the final chapter go from there. Or you could go into a detailed explaination of what happened although good luck with explaining the Joker scene. Or can do nothing and let things stand where they are. "We leave the choice up to you which will it be"  

[OneDrunkMonk]

I knew there was a distinct possibility that they might kill off Shepard end ME3 in order to end the trilogy. I was more or less OK with that though it is highly contrived and really...Why kill/resurrect Shepard in ME2 only to have him/her die in ME3? I was hoping that if Shep did die in ME3 that he/she would have been survived by a pregnant Liara who would later give birth to Shep 2.0, but obviously that wasn't going to happen.

Modifié par OneDrunkMonk, 30 mars 2012 - 11:34 .

[Foolsfolly]

Versidious wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

AllTheRiightMooves wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is correct. Then will we see any follow up on it?

If the indoctrination theory is correct I'm done with BioWare.

Out of interest, why? Is it because it would seem too much like a 'And it was all a dream' type twist? I can understand that, even if I don't feel the same way....

It is too much like "it's all a dream" and it's mixed with a nice "you lose, hero" and the only way to win would be if Anderson goes Samwise on us and destroys the Reapers while Shepard can't.

None of that makes the ending satisfying.

[OneDrunkMonk]

Wonder if we'll get DLC where Bobby Ewing finds Shepard in the shower.

I'm old.

[Shadow Raziel]

I liked the entire game. the ending had a bit of the Battle Star Galactica sci fi series feel to it.. I enjoyed the story, the game play and the side missions. I have had a lot of fun playing the multi player. So I do not have much to complain about. If you guy's write another ending I will play it through again to check it out. my biggest disappointment is that the series with Shepard is over.
Well done.

[JackLaVaporiera]

Archonsg wrote...

Still means that the ending as it exists now, was really intended as is.
No fooling guys, they really thought we'd see this piece of crap writing and go "Whoa...I like it!"
The only difference is that most of the core fans do see it as it is, utter crap, and while some are in denial, still come up with a way out for Bioware via Indoctrination Theory.

.

How do you call that phenomenon/"effect" that brings people en "masse" to convince themselves of something ?
Can we call it "mass effect" ?
Let we push the game with "massive" advertising thus we can have the "effect" of people convincing themselves that everything we provide to them is good, even a nonsense ending ?
A double "joke" ?

[Hexley UK]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

AllTheRiightMooves wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is correct. Then will we see any follow up on it?

If the indoctrination theory is correct I'm done with BioWare.

Out of interest, why? Is it because it would seem too much like a 'And it was all a dream' type twist? I can understand that, even if I don't feel the same way....

It is too much like "it's all a dream" and it's mixed with a nice "you lose, hero" and the only way to win would be if Anderson goes Samwise on us and destroys the Reapers while Shepard can't.

None of that makes the ending satisfying.

Your forgetting one thing here....Sheperds friends. If Sheperd does not pick destroy (and thereby survive and resist indoctrination) there are plenty of ways they could use your friends to "bring you back from the brink to finish the fight" as it were if you chose wrongly.

I'm not an avid IT believer btw, but i think there are ways they could work around it regardless of what choice you made.

Modifié par Hexley UK, 30 mars 2012 - 11:56 .

[SThompson]

I'm not a great fan of the ending but rather than rewriting it would it be more interesting to play past it.

Should the developers consider adding more content following the aftermath of the Reaper invasion to answer the questions the ending posed. I would like to know where the Normandy was heading when the game ended and how the universe will cope without the Mass Relays.

[Hexley UK]

Versidious wrote...

Hexley UK wrote...

Theres a difference between "Bittersweet" and "UtterlyBitterOMGGrimdarkdeathpainblood".

There is nothing sweet in those endings...or anything that makes any kind of sense either.

Sheperd dying is ok I guess (kinda mental and financially suicidal to kill off the biggest and best known character in your franchise though tbh) but wheres the sweet?

The ending is so dark without more info it looks like we as Sheperd killed more people than the reapers would have.

The victory fleet  and many of our friends stuck starving to death in the Sol system (assuming the relay explosion didn't fry them all).

Whole systems destroyed by the relays exploding including many planets and people we just worked hard to save.

Some of our friends stuck on some planet somewhere for some reason probably doomed to starve to death at worst or live there lives stuck on some isolated nowhere planet at best.

It's all so depressing, all counted it would have been better if Sheperd had died to Harbingers beam...the galaxy would have been better off.

I DO NOT FEEL LIKE A HERO.

If I wanted bitter, grimdark, death i'd stick to reality not a computer game!

OR play Warhammer 40k, the home and inventor of Grimdark!  

LOL yea or that!

[Galexandre]

When i Played the ending of ME3 at frist i was confused on the ending but when doing it over the three options were understanding. Howevert with the blacklash on the endings they cant be changed that quickly or easliy . yes i understand that we wanted closure to the game. that the three choices had the same ending the realy's were desrtored. since i played the arrival dlc on ME2 a mass relay causes a system to be destored so the indorcation theroy is the strogest theroy to me abou the ending. in my stand point the ending wasnt bad and it wasnt good. it can get dlc to see the results of your choioce. but thre were games that dit that before one was in marvel utlamte alliance it showed you the results of the choices youve done. to me what need to be fixed or patched is the mutilplayer from sever disconetion issues to gameplay  lag and glitches. Bioware if you are going to change the ending please fix the multiplayer issues.

[Versidious]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Things

It is too much like "it's all a dream" and it's mixed with a nice "you lose, hero" and the only way to win would be if Anderson goes Samwise on us and destroys the Reapers while Shepard can't.

None of that makes the ending satisfying.

I disagree. The point is that this then is Shepard struggling against the indoctrination. The common theory is that the Destroy option is Shepard breaking the indoctrination - this is why he seems to wake up in rubble on Earth if he 'survives'. And then the game would carry on. Personally, I don't think ti's that straightforwards. But perhaps it would signal a Sovereign-style moment, where Harbinger, weakened from trying to indoctrinate you, is vulnerable to attack from allied forces, etc etc. Also, I think that perhaps Anderson ought to be dead, as should both the squadmates you brought with you. Keeps a lot of the trauma present, along with making it so that 'It was all a bad dream and the real world is fluffier' isn't the case.

Modifié par Versidious, 31 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[CaptainCalico]

So, I hardly ever post on forums, but, as a long time fan of Bioware I have to chime in. The ending is... inadequate. Everyone here has poured their hearts into explaining how and why it is inadequate, so all I have to offer is this summary http://kalenel.tumbl...ending-spoilers

(not my words, but it sums up my feelings exactly - to end a story spanning three games and heart wrenching moral choices with a feeling of baffled exasperation? Bioware, that is not good storytelling!)

[luci90]

Beanstalk wrote...

Two excellent articles that were linked earlier in the thread have since gotten some updates:
doycetesterman.com/

jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/

Oh good, I enjoy these.

[Good_Chaos7]

If you're really listening.. Please Watch..



Lose the hologram kid
Get the mood right
Focus on characters
Keep it simple

Edit* P.S. Please know I don't hate Mass Effect.  I have Always Loved you guys! I have all 3 games.. CE! T-shirt, wallet, a band.. that I'm wearing right now! Please. Don't leave me like this...
Please. Please! You have the power to fix this! You have the ability to Change the Ending!:innocent:

Modifié par Good_Chaos7, 31 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Chrislo1990]

I see no other way of Bioware maintaining story cohesiveness without the implementation of the indoctrination theory. There are just too many plot holes and incosistencesin the current endings, that and the fact that it goes against a sacred tenet of mass effect: player choice. We shouldn't be foreced to sacrifice ourselves just so that Shepard's story comes to a close. That's just so cliche and lazy. Shepard's fate should be determined by multiple factors which we, the players, can control, such as decisions, moral inclination, EMS score, reputation and so and so forth. The formula worked in ME1 and ME2. Why discard it now Bioware?

To add insult to injury the endings are 95 percent identical!Only diffrence being the color of the explosions. Look it up on youtube. It's ridiculous! Mass Effect started with a bang, let it end with a bang, not a whisper.

Hold the line guys. Shepard deserves a better ending!

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 31 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[Motherlander]

The main reason I am bitter about the endings is very personal.

I am a casual gamer by nature. I have dabbled in a few games. But in reality i have only completed a handful of games. Most games I don't complete.

So ME1, 2 and 3 are three of the very few games I have completed to the end.

ME1 and M2 are the only games I have completed more than once. And they are certainly the only games I have completed more than twice and for which i have bought all the game DLC available.

I am sure I will complete ME3 at least one more time. Maybe more. Who knows.

So for me, until 25 march when I completed ME3, ME was my ultimate game experience. It was the Mother of all games. Nothing could better it.

Now with the terrible ending, ME has lost its shine. It is not what I thought it was or would be. It is a big disappointment.

I don't think Bioware realise how much of a disappointment this has been to many of us. They just don't want to believe it.

Perhaps they think that after a few days we will just forget about it, continue playing the game and buy their DLC.

I think they are deluded. When I see the statements made by the management, it makes me think that they don't actually take us seriously. They don't regard as as intelligent people who had a passion for what ME really represents. They took us for granted and betrayed their own product when we have remained faithful.

I don't understand how they treat us so badly. When you look at this forum, there are a lot of well written, concise and lengthy posts here. This is not he reaction of a few mindless emotional fanatics and whiners. This is the reaction of intelligent people who care. And Bioware don't seemed to have realised that.

I don't mean to diminish the views of those who like the endings. In the end, each individual has their own taste.

Ultmately I only speak for myself.

ME is not the most important thing in my life by any means. But it is definately the most important video game I have ever played. And it is one of my most important leisure activities.

And with their crap ending, Bioware have dimisnished my happiness in that area of my life.

[Versidious]

Motherlander wrote...

The main reason I am bitter about the endings is very personal.

I am a casual gamer by nature. I have dabbled in a few games. But in reality i have only completed a handful of games. Most games I don't complete.

So ME1, 2 and 3 are three of the very few games I have completed to the end.

ME1 and M2 are the only games I have completed more than once. And they are certainly the only games I have completed more than twice and for which i have bought all the game DLC available.

I am sure I will complete ME3 at least one more time. Maybe more. Who knows.

So for me, until 25 march when I completed ME3, ME was my ultimate game experience. It was the Mother of all games. Nothing could better it.

Now with the terrible ending, ME has lost its shine. It is not what I thought it was or would be. It is a big disappointment.

I don't think Bioware realise how much of a disappointment this has been to many of us. They just don't want to believe it.

Perhaps they think that after a few days we will just forget about it, continue playing the game and buy their DLC.

I think they are deluded. When I see the statements made by the management, it makes me think that they don't actually take us seriously. They don't regard as as intelligent people who had a passion for what ME really represents. They took us for granted and betrayed their own product when we have remained faithful.

I don't understand how they treat us so badly. When you look at this forum, there are a lot of well written, concise and lengthy posts here. This is not he reaction of a few mindless emotional fanatics and whiners. This is the reaction of intelligent people who care. And Bioware don't seemed to have realised that.

I don't mean to diminish the views of those who like the endings. In the end, each individual has their own taste.

Ultmately I only speak for myself.

ME is not the most important thing in my life by any means. But it is definately the most important video game I have ever played. And it is one of my most important leisure activities.

And with their crap ending, Bioware have dimisnished my happiness in that area of my life.

Most certainly how I'm feeling.

[Chrislo1990]

Motherlander wrote...

The main reason I am bitter about the endings is very personal.

I am a casual gamer by nature. I have dabbled in a few games. But in reality i have only completed a handful of games. Most games I don't complete.

So ME1, 2 and 3 are three of the very few games I have completed to the end.

ME1 and M2 are the only games I have completed more than once. And they are certainly the only games I have completed more than twice and for which i have bought all the game DLC available.

I am sure I will complete ME3 at least one more time. Maybe more. Who knows.

So for me, until 25 march when I completed ME3, ME was my ultimate game experience. It was the Mother of all games. Nothing could better it.

Now with the terrible ending, ME has lost its shine. It is not what I thought it was or would be. It is a big disappointment.

I don't think Bioware realise how much of a disappointment this has been to many of us. They just don't want to believe it.

Perhaps they think that after a few days we will just forget about it, continue playing the game and buy their DLC.

I think they are deluded. When I see the statements made by the management, it makes me think that they don't actually take us seriously. They don't regard as as intelligent people who had a passion for what ME really represents. They took us for granted and betrayed their own product when we have remained faithful.

I don't understand how they treat us so badly. When you look at this forum, there are a lot of well written, concise and lengthy posts here. This is not he reaction of a few mindless emotional fanatics and whiners. This is the reaction of intelligent people who care. And Bioware don't seemed to have realised that.

I don't mean to diminish the views of those who like the endings. In the end, each individual has their own taste.

Ultmately I only speak for myself.

ME is not the most important thing in my life by any means. But it is definately the most important video game I have ever played. And it is one of my most important leisure activities.

And with their crap ending, Bioware have dimisnished my happiness in that area of my life.

Thank you for sharing man. Your post seemed very sincere and I appreciate you sharing your feelings about ME3. Ever since I beat the game I too have gotten the feeling that Bioware took the loyal Mass Effect fanbase for granted during the development process. Making bold statements that ME3 would be the best of the series only to underdeliver with the ending made me feel like they became overconfident in their product. There were other things that I din't like abou the game but the endings is what we really upsets me.

When it comes down to it, I think they weren't really prioritizing us at all. I think they were focusing on attracting as many new playres as possible, all the while setting us aside because they thought that we would purchase the game no matter what. How wrong the were.  Now they are in a very delicate situation. Comes to show how much they know about their own fanbase huh.

[Vouse]

You know what after a month stewing on this problem and reading everything out there including comments from the top guys at bioware. This is what I came to.

Look if we are all stupid then the ending is acceptable! typical hollywood! everything has to be explaind in the last 10 mins becasue the guys at the top said that the film has to be this long! so you rush the ending and people will always want more!!! how many time do we see this?? I am fed up the ending of this great series it is typical horse poo!

DONT you guys think that the game is aimed at intilecual people of the world (pls excuse the spelling I am dyslexic) who can think out side of the box? the whole story is evolving, evocotivce and emotional! AND then right at the end you justify the ending by going mental on the intelegience rating (by which I mean only really super intelegent people can get the ending because they are some how super creative and by a miracle understand in somthing so far removed aspect be on your level that can be explaind in 1 min!) and call it art and its "our story"! so you can justify this abortion of an ending??? please we are definitly more inteleginet than you think!

This was a last minuite lets give this to the accountents at EA so they can carve it up and make more money! Guys this is why its weak and it absolutly faild! I dont care how delusional you are!

Its a sucess on paper but will go down in history as the game that nearly was perfect! again Greed changed the direction of a great legacy! what is more important to you to be remembred for how much you made $$$ or to be remembered as the team that pulled off the greatest game in recent history!

I know on my CV the greatest game in history would make me be SOOO wanted!! anyway rant over! I loved the game untill the last part I dont care if I sacrifice Shepard and an unhappy ending to save to the universe but WE!! deserver more! case and pont! good night! J 

P.s do Can I now charge bioware or EA for creating my own ending to this game? as ULC??? Just a thought......

Modifié par Vouse, 31 mars 2012 - 01:00 .

[Hexley UK]

Motherlander wrote...

The main reason I am bitter about the endings is very personal.

I am a casual gamer by nature. I have dabbled in a few games. But in reality i have only completed a handful of games. Most games I don't complete.

So ME1, 2 and 3 are three of the very few games I have completed to the end.

ME1 and M2 are the only games I have completed more than once. And they are certainly the only games I have completed more than twice and for which i have bought all the game DLC available.

I am sure I will complete ME3 at least one more time. Maybe more. Who knows.

So for me, until 25 march when I completed ME3, ME was my ultimate game experience. It was the Mother of all games. Nothing could better it.

Now with the terrible ending, ME has lost its shine. It is not what I thought it was or would be. It is a big disappointment.

I don't think Bioware realise how much of a disappointment this has been to many of us. They just don't want to believe it.

Perhaps they think that after a few days we will just forget about it, continue playing the game and buy their DLC.

I think they are deluded. When I see the statements made by the management, it makes me think that they don't actually take us seriously. They don't regard as as intelligent people who had a passion for what ME really represents. They took us for granted and betrayed their own product when we have remained faithful.

I don't understand how they treat us so badly. When you look at this forum, there are a lot of well written, concise and lengthy posts here. This is not he reaction of a few mindless emotional fanatics and whiners. This is the reaction of intelligent people who care. And Bioware don't seemed to have realised that.

I don't mean to diminish the views of those who like the endings. In the end, each individual has their own taste.

Ultmately I only speak for myself.

ME is not the most important thing in my life by any means. But it is definately the most important video game I have ever played. And it is one of my most important leisure activities.

And with their crap ending, Bioware have dimisnished my happiness in that area of my life.

Good post m8

BIOWARE I hope you guys are reading this!

[Storin]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

AllTheRiightMooves wrote...

If the indoctrination theory is correct. Then will we see any follow up on it?

If the indoctrination theory is correct I'm done with BioWare.

Out of interest, why? Is it because it would seem too much like a 'And it was all a dream' type twist? I can understand that, even if I don't feel the same way....

It is too much like "it's all a dream" and it's mixed with a nice "you lose, hero" and the only way to win would be if Anderson goes Samwise on us and destroys the Reapers while Shepard can't.

None of that makes the ending satisfying.

The ending already screams "You lose, hero" to me. This way at least one can imagine Shepard snaps out of it and saves the day. Not that I'm saying the indoctrination "theory" (I find this name very silly) should be implemented. Just saying.

[ea10]

Despite my earlier post, the more of the posts I've read about Indoctrination Theory, the more I really hope the ending was something alone those lines and not what was presented at face value. I hope that secretly BioWare wrote it that way!

[Lordambitious]

To quote a particularly good analysis:

"Your plan is to introduce and then resolve an entirely new central conflict which supersedes the old one in importance and complexity over the course of 14 lines of dialogue with a character we've never met before?

We don't even get to stop the Reapers under our own steam. Instead, hologram kid *lets* us do it, practically as an act of charity. Any sense of control, agency, or accomplishment is gone..."

The ending is irreparably broken.

[Chrislo1990]

Hmmm where did you get that analysis Lordambitious? Could make a good read for us and Bioware. Perhaps a link?

[Chrislo1990]

On that note here is an analysis of the endings someone retweeted to me. Makes a good read:
 http://www.metropuls...-wreck-trilogy/