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[FearCain]

Maximus Wrexmimus wrote...

FearCain wrote...

Lyriq wrote...

FearCain wrote...

I had two primary issues with the story / ending.

Spoiler

We had been hinted at the past that the Quarians started the war with the Geth. I found it cheap that it was one or the other, but not both could survive. Bringing peace to the Synthetics and the Creators has a much more impact to current events and I am honestly surprised that it was failed to be captured upon. It could easily have influences felt all the way to the end of the game. Hell the whole premise of the ending is the Created always rebel the Creators, you could actually prove that fallacy to the Reapers.

You CAN save both.

If you can with Paragon or Renegade points, then it was impossible for my play through despite doing every mission/side mission.  I will be replaying it, but can someone else confirm this?

My first play through was a non-import of ME2, I had lost my save, so if its that route that could also explain it.

I think it being a non import might have sonmething to do with it. To attain peace, you have to have destoyed the geth heretics on the base in ME2, settled the argument between Tali and Legion in ME2, saved the Quarian in ME3, Did Legion's side quest in ME3, and one other thing I forgot.

You are also allowed to not do one of these things and still get peace. I rewrote the heretics back in ME2, but did everything else, so I got to save the Geth and Tali. (Legion dies no matter what).

Thank you sir, I just finished researching it, and they are all related to ME2 save it seems / Paragon points.  Still its a very important concept that should have been a riding factor in the main ME3 story, now just a wing of boolean conditions based on prior games

[Xerkysz]

Dybia wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

It's funny how mad you're all getting over this, it was a masterfully
constructed ending, and clearly their plan worked. It's a petty you all
cannot see it.

Check your grammar before you try to sound condescending.

There's one. Now sir, try take another?
Am I the only one who realised what happened? Surely out of the extreme fan base of Mass Effect, there has to be more then myself that realised it...

[Subject M]

BalooTheBear wrote...

xcomcmdr wrote...

Subject M wrote...
I fought so hard for a "happy ending" (being able to survive and rebuild with my friends, allies and LI in the rubble of a collapsed but united galactic community) but unfortunately the ending robbed me of that being even a slight possibility. That was pretty damn traumatizing as I, like so many others, have "inhabited" Shepards character for so long.

This. Or at least if my Shepard must die, give him funerals and a reaction from his LI. Not a LI that goes away, and doesn't mind that Shepard is dead ("hey, nice planet they have here ! ").

The thing I don't get is why there has to be one or the other. ME should give us several options. Thats the point of Mass effect!

Truer words have never been spoken.

Modifié par Subject M, 15 mars 2012 - 06:17 .

[die-yng]

Xerkysz wrote...



It's funny how mad you're all getting over this, it was a masterfully

constructed ending, and clearly their plan worked. It's a petty you all

cannot see it.

Oh, why won't those boshtet's stop?

Not liking the ending doesn't mean you don't get it.

THERE IS NOTHING COMPLICATED ABOUT THE ENDING, THER IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING YOU CAN'T GET:

A bright six year old could probably understand this ending.

THE ENDING WAS NOT TO MY LIKING, NOT BECAUSE I DID NOT UNDERSTAND IT!!!

IT WAS NOT TO MY LIKING BECAUSE IT WAS ILL-CONCEIVED, BADLY EXECUTED AND OVERALL LEFT YOU FEELING JUST EMPTY:

IT THAT IS WHAT YOU WANT AFTER PLAYING 100+ HOURS  PER GAME PLAYTHROUGH THAT'S SO GREAT FOR YOU.

I DID NOT WANT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOTS OF OTHERS DIDN'T WANT THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Modifié par die-yng, 15 mars 2012 - 06:18 .

[Shortstuff820]

I loved the soundtrack. I honestly didn't think it could be improved from ME2, but it was. ME soundtracks have always sounded like a classic sci-fi movie, but even more now.

Mordin's heroic death.

Thane's emotional death.

The final conversation with Garrus.

Boarding the Geth dreadnaught (being in space watching the fleets in the background was cool).

The Tron-like Geth server.

Squadmates talking to each other over the comm.

Saving Admiral Koris (firing the turret from the shuttle was a lot of fun).

Liara's "gift" in the final love scene was the most touching in the game.

Only thing besides the ending that I hated was at the end of Rannoch, we see Tali taking off her mask...FROM BEHIND!

[AlexanderHO85]

MaYtriX wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

vigna wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Xarathos wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

Raised... 

Same. 

(raises hand)

Raises hand....

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.

*raises hand*

Add me too.

Raises hand

[Dark Penitant]

Deltaboy37-1 wrote...

My favorite part aside from the Liara parts (which rank no#1 for me) are Mordin's moment of sacrifice. Also the quarian/geth segment as well as the genophage storyline. Honestly there wasn't one part of the game I didn't like other than... You know.

Chris Bioware has outdone themselves with this one IMO. I love this trilogy and you guys have got to stick with this franchise, it is a huge part of my life now. Thanks my friend!

Now to the Liara stuff, God you guys nailed it. The dialog, the love scene, the date, and the tribute to Shep. Spot on. Liara is by far the most memorable character to me in this franchise. Thanks for that. I will be needin those blue children though. 

Basically this. Now, I've been a fan of bioware for a long, long time, and I think that's a good while longer than a lot of others.
But I remember buying Baldur's Gate one waaaay back when (though not in '98 when it came out, I think it was a year or two later), and Baldur's Gate II when it came out. I loved those games. I played them to death, and everyone from Sarevok to Jon Irenicus to that little bastard who said "Coo!" every other line. Mass Effect - the entire series - but especially Mass Effect 3, proves to me that you haven't lost it. I loved Mass Effect 3 so much, you literally have no idea. Everything from the multiplayer to the beautiful characterization and character development to the game and gunplay - everything is simply stellar. I love it all just so damn much. And then the endings happen, and hell, I actually even love the confontation with TIM at the very end. It's poignant and dramatic and meaningful and I love it... even if it completely fit plot-wise. But then we reach Starchild and his didacticism and his choices and there's no protest.



I have faith, though, and that's saying a lot from an otherwise faithless girl. I believe in Bioware, and I can trust that you have something up your sleeve because the rest of the game is too goddamn good for you not to. And I really, really, really hope you guys don't betray that trust. 

[Souris]

spacefiddle wrote...

Souris wrote...
you're just proving my point that you're being too dramatic...
make you realize ...
 the ending, although it came out of left field, was okay. It wasn't some horrible terrible thing, it wasn't fantastic, it just was there....
people should not let...

I respect your opinions.  Now respect ours, and stop pretending that the above is anything other than your opinion.  Stop telling me what to think, what to do, what it means, and disguising your own value judgements as absolute truths.  It's insulting and demeans both of us.

Thats not what I'm trying to do. I'm having a discussion. Everything is so pitchforks and fire, doom and gloom, that no one will look at the journey. It's frustrating.

[xcomcmdr]

BalooTheBear wrote...

xcomcmdr wrote...

Subject M wrote...
I fought so hard for a "happy ending" (being able to survive and rebuild with my friends, allies and LI in the rubble of a collapsed but united galactic community) but unfortunately the ending robbed me of that being even a slight possibility. That was pretty damn traumatizing as I, like so many others, have "inhabited" Shepards character for so long.

This. Or at least if my Shepard must die, give him funerals and a reaction from his LI. Not a LI that goes away, and doesn't mind that Shepard is dead ("hey, nice planet they have here ! ").

The thing I don't get is why there has to be one or the other. ME should give us several options. Thats the point of Mass effect!

Yeah. I imagined the same variety of endings as DA:O.

In fact I imagined as best ending an happy ending for my Shep with lots of medals, a big ass ceremony, and lots of litte blue children. And a dance with Garrus (ok, not that last part, but still..)

.......... Oh boy, was I wrong !

Modifié par xcomcmdr, 15 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[Agremont2]

Many good moments in the game. Shooting bottles with Garrus and drunk Tali for example. I really liked it when Shepard got connected to the consensus. Tuchanka was awesome as well. And Tali is still awesome.

The ending to me is just well...bizarre in some way. It doesn't fit in style wise as well as quality wise. It feels incredibly rushed and tacked on in the last minute. No closure, as well as virtually no difference in the endings. No choices mattering. Deus Ex Machina etc.  I don't mind a bleak/sad/bittersweet ending in the least. Infact I would prefer it to a sugary disney ending. But at the least some closure and make the choices count. Made the wrong choice in one of the previous ME? Too bad. The reapers win. That would be awesome to me. Sad, but awesome.

Also Tali's photo is another sign of rushing. I never expected a hasty photoshop job of a googled image as Tali's face.

It's funny how I still feel weird after finnishing the game on Monday. I never thought a game would leave me feeling like this, and it's not in a good way.,

Modifié par Agremont2, 15 mars 2012 - 06:21 .

[pritcher]

Too many moments, but Mordin stood out, brave little guy that he was..

Kudo's to Mark Meers and Jennifer Hale for Superb acting. especially at the hated ending,, but great never the less!!

The discussions between the doctor and engineer adams, Joker and Garus, thanks guys for all the work you did..

Mal

[HeyUder]

One of my favorite moments was getting to speak with everyone just before the final battle for London. Also, I was almost yelling at my TV for Shepard to "MOVE IT!!!! GET YOUR ASS UP!!! YOU CAN'T DIE NOW!!!" when he got hit by Harbinger's beam.

Javik as a character was probably my favorite overall, story wise. Got the Collector's edition and I was very satisfied with it. I know you all say he isn't necessary to the story, but IMO he lends a great perspective to it... being a Prothean and all.

"We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and
we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more
people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your
feedback."

HEY, "MORE PEOPLE." HURRY UP AND FINISH THE GAME ALREADY!!!

[Omnike]

Shadow_Claw wrote...

I think people hate the ending simply because they don't want to let go of their beloved characters, they wanted the typical Hollywood action movie ending. I personally found the ending very satisfying, and well written. Endings of great stories are difficult to do well - look at Lost and Battlestar Galactica for example. I hope the next Bioware game is an original IP.

Oh and the funniest moment for me was Garrus telling Turian jokes with Joker.

Then you clearly had your eyes closed through most of it. Because most of it didn't make any sense, and the rest of it was just stupid. The fact that the Mass Effect website has "EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME". 

Frome the look of it, it seems like everyone had the same outcome, no matter what they did leading up to that point.

[HackNFly]

I also feel that this thread is just deflection. Because what safer way to discuss the ending of a game than on a thread that explicitly says spoilers allowed. Its a stall tactic, and understandable one, but a stall tactic nonetheless. I just want a date, so I can stop checking this forum during the day.

[Thalvi]

Subject M wrote...

xcomcmdr wrote...

Subject M wrote...
I fought so hard for a "happy ending" (being able to survive and rebuild with my friends, allies and LI in the rubble of a collapsed but united galactic community) but unfortunately the ending robbed me of that being even a slight possibility. That was pretty damn traumatizing as I, like so many others, have "inhabited" Shepards character for so long.

This. Or at least if my Shepard must die, give him funerals and a reaction from his LI. Not a LI that goes away, and doesn't mind that Shepard is dead ("hey, nice planet they have here ! ").

Sorry but I would personally not being able to handle unavoidable death and a funeral. Too much emotions that just draggs me down in a black hole. I am perfectly fine with a "ultimate secrifice ending" as long as I also can avoid it, even if it requires a lot.

This. 

[Xerkysz]

Getorex wrote...

Painis Cupcake wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

It's funny how mad you're all getting over this, it was a masterfully
constructed ending, and clearly their plan worked. It's a petty you all
cannot see it.

Shepard's sacrifice was admirable, but that doesn't change the fact his sacrfice only put the galaxy further into chaos now that mass relays are destroyed. What will happen to your stranded friends? What about the surviving forces in your armada you took with you into the war? What about the many occupied planets/systems/nebulae now isolated and unable to give or receive supplies?

If anything, Shepard's sacrifice was in vain and ultimately gave the galaxy a more grim death.

It was a sacrifice that I had no part in making.  I would not willingly kill myself without fighting with every fiber to NOT die.  I don't want to have an ending shovel-fed to me against my will or nature. 

How about I mash my fist into the little kid's face and then kick him like I'm making a field goal, blow the station, get off, get back with Ash and the gang, and limp off to help rebuild the galaxy?  THAT'S my ending.  Not some "All doors lead to hades".

How about, you're an idiot and EAWare got you good!

[wepeel_]

Like many people before have said, the game was extraordinary (in a good way) pretty much right up until the point where you get hit by Harbinger's beam. From there on out, there are so many things that go wrong in so many ways that it'd take an article to cover them.

In short, it's the kind of ending that robs the player of the desire to go back into the gameworld, such as it is. It's the kind of ending you'd just rather pretend isn't really there.

[Iakus]

jeweledleah wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

same here (removed the quote pyramid though)

the only thing I've been able to do was do some speedruns with non import/edited Shepards to test conversation flags.  which only made it worse, as I have realized just how few differences in dialogue there are and how messed up romance flags are.

Heck I haven't touched the game since my first ending.  See no point to it.

[Thalvi]

Luc0s wrote...

beserker7 wrote...

MaYtriX wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

vigna wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Xarathos wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

Raised... 

Same. 

(raises hand)

Raises hand....

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.

*raises hand*

Add me too.

bump.

Same here. *raises hand*

*raises hand*

[ElMuchu]

Honestly, I like this game, more than ME2 except the endings: not enough choice and not possibility to have an happy ending for a character we have learn to like and even love since now 3 games. My preferred scenes are the end of the intro when Shepard leaves Anderson on Earth and the scene where Grunt comes back from Rachni fight saying is hungry!

[FOX216BC]

MaYtriX wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

vigna wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Xarathos wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

Raised... 

Same. 

(raises hand)

Raises hand....

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.

*raises hand*

Add me too.

hands high up
weird i have at least 14 careers in ME2 and only 5 of them can be imported to ME3.
Guess it does not matter with this ending

[Coreniro]

Loved every single second.
Of course, after the ending, lots of questions came to my mind, but I know that, one way or another, Bioware are going to answer them. And put new questions in my head right after!
I won't ask anything here. If you can answer my questions with games, or novels, or comics, or any other artistic effort, good. If not, I can live with doubts.

[Amagoi]

It's nice to hear that you're listening, but not sure if you're actually hearing what a lot of your fans are saying. There's not really a heated debate over the ending. It's a lot of people who are angry about the ending after 5 years of following a series we love.

So please don't respond with "So we've heard your feelings, and we'll clarify why the ending is so deep and great." It's not a matter of the fans 'not getting it'.