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[holyDEATHTRAP]

trogwolf wrote...

 I wonder why people call the image of the catalyst "starchild". He is as much a slave to his (self)programming as the Reapers and the Keepers are to their programming.

In my case I feel more comfortable to this reference than god child or space jesus as i've seen in other posts.

[Jarrah07]

Just finished Mass Effect 3 today and... its great, I loved it. I dont get where all this brutal backlash is coming from, Im a long time gamer and I was fine with how it ended. People who want the ending rewritten I really dont think they'll ever be happy with what comes out.

Mass Effect 3 to me took all the best parts of ME1 and ME2 and combined them together for some awesome gameplay. How can these people come back and say "Its a ****ty game" just cause they were displeased with the ending? Did they not have any fun during the campaign?

Deus Ex:HR had a similar 'choice' ending but there wasn't near the same backlash to that and for me DXHR is one of my all time favourite games cause of the gameplay, the characters, the environment, the story. The same features that to me made Mass Effect 3 and epic game.

If bioware did decide to cave and rewrite the ending what are people expecting? The same three choices are going the be there, the only difference will be how one get's to them. Eg Paragon: Destroy Reapers, Renegade: Control Reapers, Neutral 50/50: Synthesis.

Modifié par Jarrah07, 01 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Jarrah07]

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Modifié par Jarrah07, 01 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Dewitt667]

Jarrah07 wrote...

Just finished Mass Effect 3 today and... its great, I loved it. I dont get where all this brutal backlash is coming from, Im a long time gamer and I was fine with how it ended. People who want the ending rewritten I really dont think they'll ever be happy with what comes out.

Mass Effect 3 to me took all the best parts of ME1 and ME2 and combined them together for some awesome gameplay. How can these people come back and say "Its a ****ty game" just cause they were displeased with the ending? Did they not have any fun during the campaign?

Deus Ex:HR had a similar 'choice' ending but there wasn't near the same backlash to that and for me DXHR is one of my all time favourite games cause of the gameplay, the characters, the environment, the story. The same features that to me made Mass Effect 3 and epic game.

If bioware did decide to cave and rewrite the ending what are people expecting? The same three choices are going the be there, the only difference will be how one get's to them. Eg Paragon: Destroy Reapers, Renegade: Control Reapers, Neutral 50/50: Synthesis.

They're not say the whole game is bad not by a long shot. The first 99 percent of the ROCK. It is that final 1percent that kills the game and hurts the whole franchise.

[jeweledleah]

1. Deus ex ending actually fits the game its attached to and it doesn't destroy/invalidate every single choice you made before getting to that point.
2. http://www.ted.com/t..._vs_memory.html the reason why we feel about the ending ruining the rest of the game for us
3. there are plenty of ways to rewrite the endings to make a bit more sense then what they are right now and attaching them to visible paragon/renegade/neutral text is NOT it. that's not rewriting - that's adding more colors.
4. consider the implication of your choices. be sure to think back to arrival, to the Sovereign and the keepers, check back to the codex entry on FTL travel in Mass Effect world, consider how many people are currently stranded in Sol system (assuming they survived at all) and then the state of the earth and its ability to support those fleets long term.

[Andy the Black]

I am fully expecting someone somewere out there in Internet Land, possibly a member of the Bio crew, to try and take advantage of the situation today.

[jeweledleah]

Bioware already stated that no real announcements will be made today. anything that shows up - is going to be fake. i plan on checking it all out and possibly compile it, for posterity.

[Andy the Black]

jeweledleah wrote...

Bioware already stated that no real announcements will be made today. anything that shows up - is going to be fake. i plan on checking it all out and possibly compile it, for posterity.

Did they? Fair play. Announcing somthing today would be beyond mean, not to mention redundant with PAX only a week away.... But still... announcing somthing huge on April 1st just to be a dick is somthing I would definitely do. 

EDIT: In no way ending related but still made me chock on my breakfast. http://uk.pc.gamespy.../1222085p1.html

Modifié par Andy the Black, 01 avril 2012 - 07:52 .

[FreshRevenge]

Andy the Black wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Bioware already stated that no real announcements will be made today. anything that shows up - is going to be fake. i plan on checking it all out and possibly compile it, for posterity.

Did they? Fair play. Announcing somthing today would be beyond mean, not to mention redundant with PAX only a week away.... But still... announcing somthing huge on April 1st just to be a dick is somthing I would definitely do.  

it would be a April fools joke if they said nothing was being done to the endings! Honestly though if they don't change the ending or provide a better closure to the story, I am done with the Mass Effect franchise and will quit playing any of the games!

They wanted to end the story of Shepard with illogical crap than well I can be done with it too!

[Sayuka2142]

Haha yeah lets hope not. About Cerberus, I'm not being aggressive or anything but I think most of the time they managed to take over a base like mars for example they had inside help. My memory rarely serves me correctly so you may be correct. It is odd that they all of a sudden have this task force that fights like a battalion of N7 troopers. ooohhh heres a good idea: we know that they all look similar to husks right? and we know the illusive man implanted himself with reaper tech. WHAT IF!!! They had been recruiting many people over the years, whacking this reaper tech in them and then perhaps they became faster, stronger. But that just answers one question and opens up another: Where did all this reaper tech for a fricking army come from? And we know TIM has MAJOR financial backers, and Udina was one of them so I don't think recruiting or money would've ever been much of an issue. See the more I think about this ending the less sense it makes. You guys have pointed out perhaps 5 big holes that don't make sense that I never even thought of lol. I really do like happy endings I really do think it would be godlike to play as Shepard's kid in the next couple of games. Come on guys that would be awesome.... Back to the Cerberus issue? I really do think this game could've been flawless with a few more months of dev time. It really could have. Everything from the plot holes to the extremely dodgy female run animations (the combat SPRINT one was great but just walking sucked too). If it had just taken a few more months it could've been literally, THE BEST. But they've still done really well. I just don't think they gave some things enough thought

[holyDEATHTRAP]

That assassin should be embarrassed a terminally ill Drell prevented him from reaching his target

[Jassu1979]

trogwolf wrote...

there is a problem with the "rushed to finish" idea that I see in some posts. I was at E3 in June of 2009 when Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk were interviewed in the EA pavillion. They talked about and introduced trailers for Dragon Age: Origins, Mass Effect and Star Wars: The Old Republic. I think I still have the recording and the transcript that I made from it. It is hard for me to think that they didn't have a really good idea of how the trilogy would end well ahead of release date for the final chapter.

Well, many people assumed the same about the creators of "Lost", who always pretended they had it all figured out in advance...

The idea of the Catalyst's being a slave of his programming would make it little more than a VI, incapable of autonomous choice outside of predetermined parameters.
Contrast that with Legion's observation earlier in the game that even a single Reaper's consciousness felt almost godlike to it, contrasted with its own self-awareness.

For me, that's another detail added to the long list of inconsistencies that mark this ending as either a rushed affair that's been hastily tacked on to the rest of the game, or else the most ingenious faux ending in the history of story-telling.

[ElMuchu]

I also hope that after PAX we will know a bit more about Bioware decision regarding the endings. Until that, I am still here with all of you holding the line.
Regarding the endings, there is two things I wish:
- of course that the new DLC fixes the issues we all discuss about (plot holes, no possibility in having a happy end, no real impact of our choices...)
- I would like the possibility to reach the best endindings without multiplayer: I like sometimes playing an oldies (for instance suikoden on playstation 1) and I am sure that if I like the new endings I will replay several times ME serie now and even in some years. I am also pretty sure that EA ME3 server will be down when I will do that.

[holyDEATHTRAP]

I keep seeing this indoctrination theory showing up. If its true it's problem is its too well done. I mean you do hear whisper like sounds when on the citadel with the illusive man but I've put that due to him controlling you through Reaper indoctrination tech and it seems to stop once he's dead. I don't think the theory works because if that was the case all Bioware would have to do is tell people thats what happened and if your score is high enough you break free with the right decision and will get to finish it with some future content. They have not done this so I believe it simply is what it is a shameful ending to something that was really great. I mean for it to work you would either need to announce Mass Effect 4 which doesn't make any sense since your your already at the ending of the final battle or downloadable content just to finish the game and get a real ending, which I think would have people just as upset. The Mayans were right its 2012 and the universe came to a horrific end it just happened to be Mass Effect"s.

[Motherlander]

Sayuka2142 wrote...

I think cerberus changed hugely after they recovered the remains of the human reaper and stashed it in their base. As you guys have said, Cerberus was portrayed as perfectly decent in the ME2, like the illusive man grew a conscience after the the incidents you had with them in ME1.

I am not convinced this is true. When you do the Cerberus base mission, you can watch  some recordings of the Illusive Man talking to Miranda in which he tells her to ensure that specific crew members like kelly Chambers and the Eingineer are included in Shepard's crew. He goes on to say that Shepard should be surrounded by people he/she can relate to.

I think simply there were some good people in Cerberus who simply believed that Cerberus was doing the best for humanity and who did not know about or refused to believe that Cerberus was doing anything wrong. It was these very people that The IM put in Shepard's crew.

But the "good" people don't necessarily represent what Cerberus truly stand. So for me, the Cerberus were always a very secretive and nasty organisation. That is clear in ME1.

In saying that, I am sure having the remains of a dead repaer in your back yard can only accelerate the indoctrination of the members.

Anyway, that is just my view 

[dios.mio]

Even Blizzard is mocking Bioware for the ME3 ending in their April fools new game announcement...

"Multiple endings, each influenced by your choices and color-coded for your convenience! (Further epic endings planned for post release as downloadable content.)"

[JamesS.]

I just hope that if Bioware changes the ending that it won't only be available to player's who got that "perfect ending" with high enough ems.

EDIT: I hope they fix the ems problem.

Modifié par Enigma1322, 01 avril 2012 - 10:00 .

[ElMuchu]

dios.mio wrote...

Even Blizzard is mocking Bioware for the ME3 ending in their April fools new game announcement...

"Multiple endings, each influenced by your choices and color-coded for your convenience! (Further epic endings planned for post release as downloadable content.)"

What did they say?

[Jassu1979]

The Illusive Man is a classic example of a "the end justifies the means"-character oscillating between the role of anti-hero and villain, and I guess something similar could be said about Cerberus as a whole.

They started out as blackest-of-black villains in ME1, conducting Mengele-style experiments on unwilling test subjects and most likely embracing a "human supremacy"-style of blatant racism.

ME2 managed to downplay this without actually necessitating a retcon, although the switch from "shady ally" to "monstrous villain" came a bit abrupt in ME3, all things considered. (Particularly if you played a renegade Shepard who delivered the reaper base to them, and never really went through the kind of breach that the Paragons committed at the end of ME2.)

[Whiskey Jay]

I truly hope Bioware gives us more options. I needz a hug. They killed my series. Still can't play single player ME and enjoy it. Sad state of affairs it is.

[SayoriChan]

I'm more concerned about the fact that the writers
managed to overlook the fact that destroying a mass relay causes an
explosion that can take out a solar system, which is precisely what
happened in Arrival.

+1

[simo2003]

I'm still very concerned that Bioware keep using the word 'clarification'! I don't need the endings clarified.

What I would like is at least the opportunity to save galactic civilisation as we know it. Zap the Reapers with the Crucible, save the galaxy, everyone goes home happy and I ride off into the sunset. Is that too much to ask?

[JuannBell]

guys don't turn around on it, this end suck this is it. i do not played this series for 3 years doing a lot of the possible choises (this includes play the first 2 chapter at least 6 time for each) just to see the worst finale evere created by the time of Tartarillo (commodore 64).

[Aggie Punbot]

simo2003 wrote...

I'm still very concerned that Bioware keep using the word 'clarification'! I don't need the endings clarified.

What I would like is at least the opportunity to save galactic civilisation as we know it. Zap the Reapers with the Crucible, save the galaxy, everyone goes home happy and I ride off into the sunset. Is that too much to ask?

Yes, According to the BioWare writers, you are foolish for even wanting all of your sacrifices and efforts to have personal meaning. Life is pain and wanting to be happy is a fool's errand so you're better off not even striving for such a thing.

[ba0987]

I absolutely loved everything up until the ending that made little to no sense...

The game was epic up until that point then it just went downhill... Whilst it won't totally ruin my thoughts about the rest of the game it still leaves a massive sour taste that I just can't get rid of...

A, B Or C... Yeah thanks C.Hudson nice job there mate