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[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

[soulprovider]

trogwolf wrote...

I think I have decided that almost all of the complainers are spoiled brats.

When I finished ME3 the first time I overlooked the choices, expecting a dialogue with options, and so thought that there were no choices. The result was that I posted in this thread that the only complaint I had was that no choice was given in a game that had made hard choices the foundation of the game.

When I finished the second time I figured out my oversight and discovered how the three choices were presented: left, right, and center. So my "only complaint" vanished.

After reading some of the objections in this thread and on the internet, I have come to the conclusioin that humans are goofy. There is a reason someone came up with saying "give them an inch and they will take a mile." And it has probably always been true.

This game has one objective - STOP THE REAPERS, and requires only one ending - STOP THE REAPERS. At the beginning of ME3, Shepard says, "It's fight or die. If you aren't prepared to die to stop the reapers, you are dead already."
You should have had only two expectations for the ending of this game:
1)Shepard will die stopping the Reapers
2)Somehow, there will be a hard choice at the end before Shepard stops the Reapers

Instead, the writers of the game gave you more than necessary:
As a renegade, you may choose not to stop the Reapers but to control them.
As a paragon, you may choose to preserve all organic life or preserve all organic and all synthetic life.

They should have only given you what was required - one ending: Shepard dies stopping the Reapers.

They gave you so much within the three games that the ending isn't good enough for you. You are all a bunch of spoiled brats. Throw your tantrums. Take the wonderful thing you have been given and throw it on the ground and stomp on it, because you didn't want sprinkles on your mega banana split.

Humans are goofy.
If I tell you or show you that I only have enough to give you what you need, and then I give it to you, you will accept it.
If I tell you or show you that I have enough to give you what you want, but then I only give you what you need, you will accept it, grudgingly.
If I tell you or show you that I have more than enough to give you what you want, but then I only give you what you need, you will probably reject it.
If I tell you or show you that I have more than enough to give you what you want, and I give you what you want, you will accept it, grudgingly, because you will want more.
If I tell you or show you that I have more than enough to give you what you want, and I give you more than what you want, you may accept it or reject it, but you will complain about it and demand more, and you may even find a way to try to force me to give you the new thing that you have decided you want.
Humans are goofy.

What your saying would be true if all you did was stop the reapers, with the introduction of the god child we are given a logic loop, something that no reasonable mind can understanding. The other issue is in reality your not given an actual choice instead your told to pick a color for the cookie cutter ending, the realistic nature of the ending is that the ending cuts off after you've made your supposed choice, because if you control the reapers then they will come back, if you synthesis with the reapers then you essentially accomplish the reapers goals, or you destroy the reapers and in turn destroy galactic civilization, there simply is not enough information given at the end of the game that explains the ending properly. and even though we played through all three games there is not enough information in the series that leads up to the god child and the reapers true purpose in fact the first two games set the opposite precedent of the reapers and the ending of the third game takes everything you learned in the first two games and tosses it out the airlock.

What I'm trying to say is simple a trilogy needs to end properly without destroying the trilogy in the process Its like if you took star wars and at the very end of the original trilogy had a new character come in and introduce himself as the reason for the empire and that the empire was ruled by puppet sith lord so humanity wouldn't create more sith lords to rule and destroy them. You see how that would completely destroy the entire original trilogy(I don't count the prequels, started out horrendous but finished meh).

I didn't care if shepard died, or even if it was indoctrination we needed a proper ending instead we were given the perfect ending for dlc, you know the same thing capcom is now doing to azura's wrath where they lop off part of the game to sell to you later, if this is the future of the gaming industry i'm checking out completely. I've been a gamer for almost twenty years and only in the last seven have I been so saddened by the way the industry has been heading now its at a point where i'm just tired of being screwed over time and again, i'm tired of these companies trying to milk me for every penny I have. If I bought a used game I shouldn't be forced to give the publisher more money for something they already received money for. If that logic continues then everything used will require the buyer to pay money to the manufacturer to use the full features of said product, enough is enough.

to continue my counter point to your post, humans may be goofy because for every person who has a valid reason to dislike something and to prevent something from destroying integrity of an industry there are others like you who rise up unpaid to defend the greedy corporations who treat people like cattle, The problem is when the dust settles and the companies finally get their way you'll be looking back at these posts and realize the maybe the fans were right. Maybe the nay sayers were right about the state of things, maybe I should have joined them when we had the chance to make things right.

[epicalus]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

dude seriously . 
theres 511 pages here that explain exactly why people are shouting out.
if your too stubborn to read even a fraction of it , then your words here are meaningless .
personally i've already posted 4 walls of text here.
that have different points that explain exactly why the ending is wrong.
can you read that? yes 4 walls of text wich took almost an hour to write per wall.
if you don't bother reading peoples posts then you have no say in the matter simply becausse you didn't bother to do the research . 
I dare you to find my posts in these 511 pages , to read them and then come back and tell us that you still feel the same .
in short i came up with at least 20 reasons why the ending doesn't fit the series.

and this counts for all of the people who call us any name or entitled . DO THE RESEARCH .
AND IF YOUR HERE TO ACT LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD GTFO

[Thanatos144]

epicalus wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

dude seriously . 
theres 511 pages here that explain exactly why people are shouting out.
if your too stubborn to read even a fraction of it , then your words here are meaningless .
personally i've already posted 4 walls of text here.
that have different points that explain exactly why the ending is wrong.
can you read that? yes 4 walls of text wich took almost an hour to write per wall.
if you don't bother reading peoples posts then you have no say in the matter simply becausse you didn't bother to do the research . 
I dare you to find my posts in these 511 pages , to read them and then come back and tell us that you still feel the same .
in short i came up with at least 20 reasons why the ending doesn't fit the series.

and this counts for all of the people who call us any name or entitled . DO THE RESEARCH .
AND IF YOUR HERE TO ACT LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD GTFO

511 pages of people complaining about the end of  a video game.

[Psythorn]

*delete me *
It's late - should go to bed ...
Here was non - sense...

Modifié par Psythorn, 01 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[MechaGaiden]

Just finished the game last night...honestly, I'm crushed by how bad it was. I knew that people hated the ending, but I had faith that Bioware would pull through and it'd turn out to be unjustified complaining. I loved every bit of the ending right up until those final 10-15 minutes which were almost sickening to watch. I don't know how to describe how I feel... I've been a little sad before after finishing a great game or series, but I feel defeated after seeing ME3's ending.

I do think the ending wasn't completely bad in nature and could have theoretically been pulled off. Deus ex machina ending aside, I think I would have been infinitely happier and maybe even satisfied if we had some more closure on the fates of our party members and if some of the plot holes had been addressed.

Before I finished the game, I dismissed the endless raging and campaigns to change the game's ending as being utterly ridiculous, but now I feel a new ending would be better than nothing. All that said, the journey up until this point was a great one, so many good moments in ME3's storyline, such as when Liara asks you how you wish to be remembered. That will rank as one of the most moving moments I've seen in a game in a long time.

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

no, disagreeing doesn't make you a troll.  however, calling people you disagree with - names?  that makes you a troll

[garytwine]

Thanatos144 wrote...

epicalus wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

dude seriously . 
theres 511 pages here that explain exactly why people are shouting out.
if your too stubborn to read even a fraction of it , then your words here are meaningless .
personally i've already posted 4 walls of text here.
that have different points that explain exactly why the ending is wrong.
can you read that? yes 4 walls of text wich took almost an hour to write per wall.
if you don't bother reading peoples posts then you have no say in the matter simply becausse you didn't bother to do the research . 
I dare you to find my posts in these 511 pages , to read them and then come back and tell us that you still feel the same .
in short i came up with at least 20 reasons why the ending doesn't fit the series.

and this counts for all of the people who call us any name or entitled . DO THE RESEARCH .
AND IF YOUR HERE TO ACT LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD GTFO

511 pages of people complaining about the end of  a video game.

Dude, you are funny as hell. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you are happy with the endings why even bother to post in this thread. If you think we're childish or stupid aren't you just lowering yourself to our level?

[Thanatos144]

garytwine wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

epicalus wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

dude seriously . 
theres 511 pages here that explain exactly why people are shouting out.
if your too stubborn to read even a fraction of it , then your words here are meaningless .
personally i've already posted 4 walls of text here.
that have different points that explain exactly why the ending is wrong.
can you read that? yes 4 walls of text wich took almost an hour to write per wall.
if you don't bother reading peoples posts then you have no say in the matter simply becausse you didn't bother to do the research . 
I dare you to find my posts in these 511 pages , to read them and then come back and tell us that you still feel the same .
in short i came up with at least 20 reasons why the ending doesn't fit the series.

and this counts for all of the people who call us any name or entitled . DO THE RESEARCH .
AND IF YOUR HERE TO ACT LIKE A 5 YEAR OLD GTFO

511 pages of people complaining about the end of  a video game.

Dude, you are funny as hell. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing. If you are happy with the endings why even bother to post in this thread. If you think we're childish or stupid aren't you just lowering yourself to our level?

What did I say that was wrong???????????????? You said childish not I

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[helloween7]

MechaGaiden wrote...

Just finished the game last night...honestly, I'm crushed by how bad it was. I knew that people hated the ending, but I had faith that Bioware would pull through and it'd turn out to be unjustified complaining. I loved every bit of the ending right up until those final 10-15 minutes which were almost sickening to watch. I don't know how to describe how I feel... I've been a little sad before after finishing a great game or series, but I feel defeated after seeing ME3's ending.

I do think the ending wasn't completely bad in nature and could have theoretically been pulled off. Deus ex machina ending aside, I think I would have been infinitely happier and maybe even satisfied if we had some more closure on the fates of our party members and if some of the plot holes had been addressed.

Before I finished the game, I dismissed the endless raging and campaigns to change the game's ending as being utterly ridiculous, but now I feel a new ending would be better than nothing. All that said, the journey up until this point was a great one, so many good moments in ME3's storyline, such as when Liara asks you how you wish to be remembered. That will rank as one of the most moving moments I've seen in a game in a long time.

You know, the same thing happened to me. I went to the finale of the game thoroughly spoiled, but I didn't really understand how bad the ending was until I experieced it myself.

The biggest issue for me was Shepard's (and by extension, the player's) lack of agency. No paragon/renegade interrupts, no chance to call the Reaper AI on its BS, no fourth option... 

Modifié par helloween7, 01 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[luci90]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

No, it's the words they choose to use and the way they act that makes them trolls.

Plus, I have troll radar, being from the chans and all.

And if this was any other place, I would be tearing into them without mercy.

Doing that here though, does not help us acheive our goals so I behave, and encourage others to do the same.

[Thanatos144]

luci90 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I hate to tell you this but not agreeing with you does not make a troll....yet calling a person one for no reason is more acurate.

No, it's the words they choose to use and the way they act that makes them trolls.

Plus, I have troll radar, being from the chans and all.

And if this was any other place, I would be tearing into them without mercy.

Doing that here though, does not help us acheive our goals so I behave, and encourage others to do the same.

Sorry but I don't subscribe to the group think theology....I prefer thinking for myself and not needing to fear for speaking my mind. That isn't being a troll. Like saying you are all complaining about an end to a video game like your entitled to something

[Jassu1979]

Hey folks, did you notice that the "good" choices the Catalyst presents to you are pretty much what the Illusive Man was aiming for? And that for some peculiar reason, you see Anderson choosing the "Destroy" option?

[trogwolf]

For anyone interested, here is the dialog between shepard and the catalyst. at the end. duration is 5 minutes.
constdeffund.org/trogwolf/CatalystParagon.mp3
constdeffund.org/trogwolf/CatalystRenegade.mp3
looks like I edited out the errors. this should be accurate:


"Wake up."
"What? Where am I?"
"The Citadel. Its my home."
"Who are you?"
"I am the Catalyst"
"I thought the Citadel was the Catalyst."
"No the Citadel is part of me."
"I need to stop the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?"
"Perhaps. I control the Reapers. They are my solution."
"Solution? To what?"
"Chaos. The created will always rebel against their creators. But we found a way to stop that from happening - a way to restore order for the next cycle."
"By wiping out organic life?"
"No. We harvest advanced civilizations, leaving the younger ones alone; just as we left your people alive the last time we were here."
"But you killed the rest."
"We have them ascend so they can make way for new life, storing the old life in Reaper form."
"I think we'd rather keep our own form."
"No. You can't. Without us to stop it, synthetics will destroy all organics. We've created the cycle so that never happens. That's the solution."
(P)"But you're taking away our future. Without a future we have no hope. Without hope, we might as well be machines, programmed to do what we're told."
[R]"The defining characteristic of organic life is that we think for ourselves - make our own choices. If you take that away, then we might as well be machines, just like you."
"You have (hope)[choice]. More than you (think)[know]. The fact that you're standing here - the first organic ever - proves it. But it also proves my solution won't work any more."
"So, now what?"
"We find a new solution."
"Yeah. But how?"
"The crucible changed me - created new ... possibilities. But I can't make them happen. I know you've thought about destroying us. You can wipe out all synthetic life if you want, including the Geth, [and most of the technology you rely on]. Even you are partly synthetic."
"But the Reapers will be destroyed?"
"Yes. But the peace won't last. Soon your children will create synthetics and then the chaos will come back."
"Maybe."
"Or, you think you can control us ..."
"Hmm. So, the Illusive Man was right, after all."
"Yes. But he could never have taken control, because we already controlled him."
"But I can."
"You will die. You will control us, but you will lose everything you have."
"But the Reapers will obey me?"
"Yes. There is another solution."
"Yeah?"
"Synthesis."
"And that is?"
"Add your energy to the Crucible's. Everything you are will be absorbed and then sent out. The chain reaction will combine all synthetics and organic life into a new framework - a new DNA."
"I ... don't know."
"Why not? Synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?"
"And there will be peace?""The cycle will end. Synthesis is the final evolution of life. But we need each other to make it happen. You have a difficult decision. Releasing the energy of the crucible will end the cycle, but it will also destroy the mass relays. The paths are open, but you have to choose."

There are four choices, for those who haven't thought it through. Not choosing is a choice and results in the destruction of the crucible, allowing the cycle to continue as is.

Modifié par trogwolf, 01 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[garytwine]

"Sorry but I don't subscribe to the group think theology....I prefer thinking for myself and not needing to fear for speaking my mind. That isn't being a troll. Like saying you are all complaining about an end to a video game like your entitled"

*yawn* and its 'you're', not 'your'.

[Thanatos144]

garytwine wrote...

"Sorry but I don't subscribe to the group think theology....I prefer thinking for myself and not needing to fear for speaking my mind. That isn't being a troll. Like saying you are all complaining about an end to a video game like your entitled"

*yawn* and its 'you're', not 'your'.

Do you feel better?

[trogwolf]

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

[CesarSan]

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

[jeweledleah]

UPDATED (MAR. 2, 2012) Important update to site rules & code of conduct :

Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members.

Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer welcomed.

just saying

you know, even though we disagree pretty much 100% in our views on endings, somehow Ottemis and I managed to have civil, if fruitless private message discussion concerning the endings. without resorting to personal insults. who would have thought.

its possible to present opposing views without resorting to insults you know. if you feel the need, if you cannot refute counterpoints without it? you already lost the argument. you have nothing constructive to say and are just trolling.

[Thanatos144]

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

Modifié par Thanatos144, 01 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[jeweledleah]

@ Ceasar - up untill the last half an hour or so Mass Effect WAS the epitomy of hard sci-fi - reading codex is pretty amazing, concidering how much thought was put into explaining exactly how technology works. heck, ME2 conversation you can overhear, about Sir Isaac Newton alone was enough to nudge it into a hard sci-fi territory.  it really started to go downhill with that beam, becasue up untill that point, teleportation technology didn't exist in ME universe, moreover how that beam works - is never explained.  and it only got worse :/

Modifié par jeweledleah, 01 avril 2012 - 07:29 .

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

[garytwine]

jeweledleah wrote...

UPDATED (MAR. 2, 2012) Important update to site rules & code of conduct :

Effective immediately there is a zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members.

Anyone posting a personal attack on staff, moderators or other Community members will, at the sole discretion of staff or moderators, be banned from the BioWare Social Network without notice and is no longer welcomed.

just saying

you know, even though we disagree pretty much 100% in our views on endings, somehow Ottemis and I managed to have civil, if fruitless private message discussion concerning the endings. without resorting to personal insults. who would have thought.

its possible to present opposing views without resorting to insults you know. if you feel the need, if you cannot refute counterpoints without it? you already lost the argument. you have nothing constructive to say and are just trolling.

Here here. Well said.

[Don Ravan]

trogwolf wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

Get the hell off of our forums dude. 

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????