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[CesarSan]

Dread Boy wrote...

My problem is not just with the endings but with the entire final mission. When was the citadel attacked and moved? Does this mean that Kelly, Conrad, the council and everyone else we knew on the citadel is dead?
Also when the fleets are checking in it would've been awesome to have mini scenes for the batarians, elcor, hanar and drell, salarians , krogan (yes i know they don't have ships but you know just them saying we're here) and you know the other species you recruited as war assets.

Also for the final mission even if you had rediculous EMS (I had well over 7000) all mission you're being told how heavily your guys are losing. While I get that this is to show that the crucible is the only hope COME ON! In ME2 all game you were told how you were gonna lose people in the suicide mission, but if you played the game well you didn't lose anyone and taking out the base felt AWESOME. In the last mission if you have a high EMS then A) you should see all the different war assets (I'm not as pedantic to demand every single one be individually mentioned) but you know again all the separate species, and that your army is actually holding it's own (like it actually states in the war asset computer) and not getting wholesale slaughtered. Also in the last mission you should fight alongside or at least see your old surviving companions fight in the last battle. Also ALL the old companiona should have proper goodbyes (like your squad do) because we love ALL the companions in the series not just those that made it into the ME3 squad.

And my problems with the VERY end is pretty much the same as everyone elses doesn't seem to fit the tone of the series, doesn't really make sense, too depressing even if you played the game perfectly, and too vague to be the absolute last word in shepard's saga.

I would also like to say that the only reason i'm complaining is because I love these games so much they are some of the best narratives you'll ever see, they've made me actually cry many, many times and i would just like to thank Bioware for what an amazing job they've done on this series and hope that they remember that despite all the criticism that's going their way because of the endings that we're only doing this because of how much we love their work.

I feel like that too. There were no Geth ships in the cinematics. No Elcor troops, no volus dreadnought, no mercenaries, no nothing. Heck if I was a professional animator I guess I could make five additional minutes of movies in one day, the models were already made anyway. Bioware simply didn't care.

Also if we played everything right there should be another option, as you say it did in ME2. Now we have to accept some neon kid's impositions?

[Don Ravan]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????

Yup.

[luci90]

Don Ravan wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

Get the hell off of our forums dude. 

Be nice.

Not saying I don't agree, but be civil about things.

Even if they aren't.

I didn't enjoy typing that.

[ragnorok87]

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

[improperdancing]

trogwolf wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

I don't understand how complaining about a product that we purchased is akin to behaving like spoiled brats.  BioWare made promises about Mass Effect 3 that they didn't keep.  As consumers, we are understandably unhappy about that and are letting them know it.  That's not behaving like a spoiled brat.  It's holding a company accountable when their words don't align with their actions.

If you buy a vacuum cleaner and it lacks a major feature that is advertised on the box, are you going to just accept it as-is to avoid behaving like a spoiled brat?  Or are you going to let the company know that they need to make things right?  I don't know about you, but as an intelligent consumer, I'd pick the latter.

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????

if they explain it IN game, in a way that's actualy plausible and not "becasue I said so"  (which they did when it comes to biotics and asari procreation) - then its not mystical.  please, try again. 

the kid VI, AI whatever - is never explained.  how that shining beam works is never explained.  exactly how did those 3 ready made choiced showed up at the citadel, in seconds - is never explained (even when keepers rebuild and change the citadel, it takes the real time, it doesn't just happen in seconds, you can actualy see them work)

Mass Effect science is based on real physics.  it uses non existant element as a steping stone, but guess how theoretical physics work?  they ask themselves:  "what if we had a compound that had such and such properties"  and then they build forward.  and then.. they build back, trying to figure out if creating aforementioned compound is feasible.

the key point of hard sci-fi is its plausiblity.  sure some suspension of disbelief is necessary, but it STILL has to obey the rules set by its own universe.  and Citadel controling Ai doesn't fit those rules.  synthesis ending DEFINITELY doesn't fit those rules. 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 01 avril 2012 - 07:39 .

[Thanatos144]

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

Where is my paycheck??????????

[Unschuld]

improperdancing wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

I don't understand how complaining about a product that we purchased is akin to behaving like spoiled brats.  BioWare made promises about Mass Effect 3 that they didn't keep.  As consumers, we are understandably unhappy about that and are letting them know it.  That's not behaving like a spoiled brat.  It's holding a company accountable when their words don't align with their actions.

If you buy a vacuum cleaner and it lacks a major feature that is advertised on the box, are you going to just accept it as-is to avoid behaving like a spoiled brat?  Or are you going to let the company know that they need to make things right?  I don't know about you, but as an intelligent consumer, I'd pick the latter.

Being disappointed is one thing. A lot of what has been going on amounts to tantrums. So yes, petulant children they are.

[Reclusiarch]

Can't wait to see what you guys have in store for us! Good luck!

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????

if they explain it IN game, in a way that's actualy plausible and not "becasue I said so"  (which they did when it comes to biotics and asari procreation) - then its not mystical.  please, try again. 

the kid VI, AI whatever - is never explained.  how that shining beam works is never explained.  exactly how did those 3 ready made choiced showed up at the citadel, in seconds - is never explained (even when keepers rebuild and change the citadel, it takes the real time, it doesn't just happen in seconds, you can actualy see them work)

Mass Effect science is based on real physics.  it uses non existant element as a steping stone, but guess how theoretical physics work?  they ask themselves:  "what if we had a compound that had such and such properties"  and then they build forward.  and then.. they build back, trying to figure out if creating aforementioned compound is feasible.

the key point of hard sci-fi is its plausiblity.  sure some suspension of disbeelif is necessary, but it STILl has to aboy the rules set by its own universe.  and Citadel controling Ai doesn't fit those rules.  synthesis ending DEFINITELY doesn't fit those rules. 

They dont explain how we travel FTL that way LOL. this is FICTION. Thats all. If they want a 50,000 pluse year old AI to have the ability to merge both organic and biotic.....( sound familiar)...er Synthetic them they can. They are the crreators. Through out all three games you all had the illusion of choice the story on the other hand was straight forward.

[jeweledleah]

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

They dont explain how we travel FTL that way LOL. this is FICTION. Thats all. If they want a 50,000 pluse year old AI to have the ability to merge both organic and biotic.....( sound familiar)...er Synthetic them they can. They are the crreators. Through out all three games you all had the illusion of choice the story on the other hand was straight forward.

its SCIENCE fiction. specificaly hard science fiction.

and yes.  they do.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL

Modifié par jeweledleah, 01 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[FreshRevenge]

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

This is what I say to the people who enjoyed the ending, don't download the content that makes the ending better!

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

How can you not see how they fit???????? The repers are tools to keep organics from extiction protecting them from semselves.....How? By sending civilazation back to the stone age. It is logical for machines. You keep expecting the Machines to have a human side.

[improperdancing]

Unschuld wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

don't reply to trolls, you guys. and yes, the moment they start slinging personal insults? they are trolls. moreover - they are in violation of the rules of this site. so.
ignore them and/or report them

I guess, to satisfy your tender feelings, that I should have said you are all behaving like spoiled brats instead of saying that you are spoiled brats.  tough, bratty is as bratty does - throw a tantrum and you are a spoiled brat.

I don't understand how complaining about a product that we purchased is akin to behaving like spoiled brats.  BioWare made promises about Mass Effect 3 that they didn't keep.  As consumers, we are understandably unhappy about that and are letting them know it.  That's not behaving like a spoiled brat.  It's holding a company accountable when their words don't align with their actions.

If you buy a vacuum cleaner and it lacks a major feature that is advertised on the box, are you going to just accept it as-is to avoid behaving like a spoiled brat?  Or are you going to let the company know that they need to make things right?  I don't know about you, but as an intelligent consumer, I'd pick the latter.

Being disappointed is one thing. A lot of what has been going on amounts to tantrums. So yes, petulant children they are.

Most of what I see in this topic is people making legitimate points about how poor the ending to Mass Effect 3 was.  And given that BioWare created this topic specifically for customers to comment on the Mass Effect 3 ending, I don't see what the problem is aside from people like you coming in here and acting like we don't have every right to complain.

[Rex Fallout]

Thanatos144 wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

Where is my paycheck??????????

This notion of people being paid to support the Mass Effect 3 ending is ridiculous for a multitude of reasons.  The first and biggest reason being EA is not going to pay people to do anything.  That uses up money that can better be used to make... a Mass Effect Cartoon series.  ^-^

But seriously lets be honest here, everyone has their own opinion.  There are people on both sides of this argument who have no idea what they are talking about. We need to attempt to be civil and rational in our arguments.  Saying that supporters of the endings are paid to support it is BS.  Some people like the terrible ending.  Some people feel like they were promised multiple better endings. Everyone has their own opinion.  Let's try not to insult anyone too terribly bad now shall we?

[Thanatos144]

FreshRevenge wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

This is what I say to the people who enjoyed the ending, don't download the content that makes the ending better!

Why cant we enjoy more content????????? That seems stupid to me. thats like saying here is five bucks everyone else gets ten but since you like five bucks you cant have ten.

[CesarSan]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????

The eezo is the one fictional element that makes FTL and biotics possible. That's why I said "almost" hard sci-fi. It was there since day one.

The Asari genetics is like the movie Alien where the thing can add parts of the DNA from other species to its own. Bacteria do it all the time. The fictional stretch is a multicellular species doing the same.

But the RGB energy wave came from nowhere.

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

How can you not see how they fit???????? The repers are tools to keep organics from extiction protecting them from semselves.....How? By sending civilazation back to the stone age. It is logical for machines. You keep expecting the Machines to have a human side.

sigh.  allow me to repeat myself.

why does catalyst need to keepers to resieve the signal from the Sovereign, the vanguard of the reapers in our galaxy, staying here to observe to make sure civilisation is ready for the reapers?  when keepres were originaly reprogramed, why didn't Catalyst program them back.  if Catalyst controls the citadel, why would then Sovereing have to get to the Citadel in person, to interface with it, and open it for the rest of the reaper fleet?  why doesn't it invite them in after Sovereign fails?  how are those 3 choices built into the Citadel in litteraly minutes?  why doesn't Shepard get to ask questions?  how did the Citadel make it to Sol and what happened to all the people who used to live it it?  and I can keep going and going and going....

@ Ceasar.  there is no almost about it.  Hard sci-fi allows for certain degree of flexibility, which includes fictional elements, as long as those elements obey specific rules that don't change at the drop of a hat and everything else that fictional element makes possible, can actualy be feasibly explained with modern science.  Mass Effect is actualy one of the more rigid hard sci-fi universes out there, far more so then Star Trek 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 01 avril 2012 - 07:54 .

[Thanatos144]

CesarSan wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

CesarSan wrote...

Another thing about the ending is that it goes all mystical mumbo-jumbo and space magical. This coming from an (almost) hard sci-fi series based on physical reality is a slap in the face.

The ending could as well be Buddha riding a space unicorn destroying the Reapers with the power of love and Nyan-cat's help.

um......You have a race of blue women who mate out of their gentic genome and only produce woman ands you have people being able to magically creat balckholes with their mind and you find a AI mystical?

its not magic.  its explained in the codex, as well as by Liara in a very first game.  in detail.  aka - hard sci-fi.

I see .... so if they explain it in the codex will it stop being mystical????????????????????

The eezo is the one fictional element that makes FTL and biotics possible. That's why I said "almost" hard sci-fi. It was there since day one.

The Asari genetics is like the movie Alien where the thing can add parts of the DNA from other species to its own. Bacteria do it all the time. The fictional stretch is a multicellular species doing the same.

But the RGB energy wave came from nowhere.

It is still far fetched and fantasy. Nothing wrong with it. But to be surprised they use Fiction in a fiction story seems a bit bizzar

[garytwine]

FreshRevenge wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

This is what I say to the people who enjoyed the ending, don't download the content that makes the ending better!

Good point. The whole game is about choice. The people that like the ending are never going to agree with the people that don't like the ending. But, they can choose not to download any additional ending content if it ever happens.

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

How can you not see how they fit???????? The repers are tools to keep organics from extiction protecting them from semselves.....How? By sending civilazation back to the stone age. It is logical for machines. You keep expecting the Machines to have a human side.

sigh.  allow me to repeat myself.

why does catalyst need to keepers to resieve the signal from the Sovereign, the vanguard of the reapers in our galaxy, staying here to observe to make sure civilisation is ready for the reapers?  when keepres were originaly reprogramed, why didn't Catalyst program them back.  if Catalyst controls the citadel, why would then Sovereing have to get to the Citadel in person, to interface with it, and open it for the rest of the reaper fleet?  why doesn't it invite them in after Sovereign fails?  how are those 3 choices built into the Citadel in litteraly minutes?  why doesn't Shepard get to ask questions?  how did the Citadel make it to Sol and what happened to all the people who used to live it it?  and I can keep going and going and going....

If i rember correctly soverign was suppose to use the Citadel as a relay......thats why they needed the keepers signal....The Catalyst is a program....AI yes but still a progam that is most likly not used until it is needed....Sort of like I need spell check.........(Who ever ruuns these brods you hear me??? I need spell check LOL ) but only when I spell something wrong.

[Thanatos144]

garytwine wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

This is what I say to the people who enjoyed the ending, don't download the content that makes the ending better!

Good point. The whole game is about choice. The people that like the ending are never going to agree with the people that don't like the ending. But, they can choose not to download any additional ending content if it ever happens.

I dont really care that you dont like th ending.....i just care that peiople use the false premis that it doesnt fit or they were lied to.

[Don Ravan]

Thanatos144 wrote...

FreshRevenge wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

ragnorok87 wrote...

you realize that 99.9 percent of the ppl in support of the ending are paid to to support it right.....

nyah, some people really do genuinely like the endings.  some can even explain on emotional level exactly what makes those endings work for them. they just cannot really explain how those endings actualy fit wih the rest of the games.  they cannot explain the science behind them, and they are just not bothered by narative inconsistencies.

which is fine, as long as they don't the proceed to tell that everyone who doesn't think like them is a spoiled brat, a whiner, just not smart enough to get it, etc etc.

This is what I say to the people who enjoyed the ending, don't download the content that makes the ending better!

Why cant we enjoy more content????????? That seems stupid to me. thats like saying here is five bucks everyone else gets ten but since you like five bucks you cant have ten.

Then why are you here trolling?

[jeweledleah]

/rubs temples... its like trying to explain calculus to someone who barely has understanding of basic arithmetic.

why do I even try.

oh right. in hopes that developers might actually poke their heads in there, especially codex writers and go.. hmm, we really do need to address those points.