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[EJ42]

I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said better here...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

[JackLaVaporiera]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

...and the deepness of the dialogues.."I'm the catalyst....ehrr..no I'm the citadel...opsie...I meant I'm part of the citadel....sorry, no, no, the citadel is my home...(make up your mind)..the reapers are my solution (Do you call them that way too ? Don't you have another definition for them ? Do they really born like "reapers" ?)....but "you" can stop "US"....(us ?)...(why are you so concerned about "chaos", holobastard ?)...

I can go on forever praising the greatness of this ending, I'm not sure who is the one to thank for this ending but I really wish to thank him assuming direct control of his butt, a scratchy direct control...

It was really difficult to think of an ancient civilization from another galaxy who originally built reapers as ultimately advanced warships until those things gone rough against their creators believing to be better and finding themselves in the need to harvest basic materials from living thing due to their oversophisticated circuitry in the need of various DNA in order to build, power-up, repair, replicate themselves so to justify the need to harvest but not eradicate lifeforms in many galaxies of which milky way is just one of many and explaining this way the cycle and the "beyond your comprehension" ?

Prothean were the only ones having had contact from beings of another galaxy from which they inherited on theyr very last days the project of the so called "crucible" but the lack of understanding between the two races didn't help and they did not made in time to realize it but the reapers were aware of the its existence and delayed the destruction forcing Saren Arterius to investigate and eventually destroy the project, but Arterius failed cause it had no clue on what he was trying to do, they simply cannot made him conscious of their real will, so while harvesting another galaxy they used a more wide approach to the research with a spare resource, some "collectors" or better some descendant of a prothean colony who where succesful in escaping their "cycle" in another galaxy found, transformed and sent to harvest everything and everyone who can have made in touch with an artifact storing the so called "crucible" thing.

The "crucible" thing itself is not more than a "portal" without exit thinked by the creators of the reapers, as an originally galaxy level warfare weapon, something capable of destroy a whole galaxy rearranged to lure without exception the repaers at the time of their rebellion and project them in "the void" of a zero mass channel without exit, obviously the need in this case was to lure the reapers outside the galaxy in the dark space but the original creators of this stuff were extinct before its completion just like the protheans who inherited the thing...

At this point is possible to work on "completion" of the single parts of "crucible" (what a bad name) and the related effectiveness of it leading to every scaled "effect" when its time to use it and every possible effect on its efficiency on the EMS resources defending the project...

Leave God-like theories out of this, this is a game after all a sci-fi game.

This is "fantasy".

Sorry for my bad english, it's not my birth language but I think it could be understandable.

I repeat myself even in this new page otherwise many can miss it, it was so difficult ?

Just a bit more of quality fantasy ?

[trogwolf]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

Who was Marauder Shields before being converted?  I played against Morinth, but she was just another Banshee.

[JackLaVaporiera]

trogwolf wrote...

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

Who was Marauder Shields before being converted?  I played against Morinth, but she was just another Banshee.

Let assume it was from another galaxy ?

[JackLaVaporiera]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

Who was Marauder Shields before being converted?  I played against Morinth, but she was just another Banshee.

Let assume it was from another galaxy ?

It's obvious, otherwise a reaper enhanced turian who goes down with two pistol rounds in unviewable.

[Fata Morgana]

trogwolf wrote...

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

Who was Marauder Shields before being converted?  I played against Morinth, but she was just another Banshee.

Well if you read a certain super-awesome Marauder Shields comic, then he was originally Nihilus.  Which is a rad idea.

[Jawsomebob]

[trogwolf]

I want to applaud the BioWare team. These nearly 520 pages of posts about the flaws and failures of the ending of the final chapter of the Mass Effect trilogy demonstrate to me that, in the course of only three games over a mere two years, BioWare has inspired a degree of Nerdiness that rivals that among fans of Tolkien, Star Trek and Star Wars. And that is no criticism of the fans. I am a fan of all four and almost as big a Nerd as many of the people who post here and a bigger Nerd than many others.

[Torxen]

I feel legitimately bad inside over the ending. Like, I genuinely feel sad about how bad it was. I guess I killed everything by causing a super nova in every solar system. Roll credits...

[JackLaVaporiera]

Oh, I forgot, Harbinger was the lead scientist of the at that time "new" semi sentient "reaper class" warfare vessels that pushed himself over the limit and against the will of the governent made those vessel nearly completely sentient, infusing, when caught on, his consciousness in the one who at the latter time we have known as "Harbinger" and starting the machine rebellion.

[trogwolf]

Fata Morgana wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

I really liked the onslaught on the best final boss ever...Marauder Shields...

Who was Marauder Shields before being converted?  I played against Morinth, but she was just another Banshee.

Well if you read a certain super-awesome Marauder Shields comic, then he was originally Nihilus.  Which is a rad idea.

Nah, that's bogus.  Nihilus would have received Turian burial honors years before the reapers arrived on the Turian homeworld and I've never seen any indication that they convert decayed corpses.

[JackLaVaporiera]

And I also forgot to say that if that civilization was in the need to build such a warfare asset it was becuse they had competitors somewhere in the space and well geared...

This leaves a sense of continuum and even choices to what to do with the "ending", not a brainless "she loves me, she don't" with a daisy in the hand....

Modifié par JackLaVaporiera, 02 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Ghozt66]

- shooting Udina

- killing Jack Harper aka ILLusive Man

-leng's death Finally after all the books i read

-In thessia if javik's in the party best line ever Liara says"Shepard the beacon thinks your Prothean"
Javik replies"Or it could be the Prothean standing beside you"

- punching admiral han gerrill

-waking hung over next to Aria

- Blasto

- Kasumi Goto

- "wow i get a full refund?' ...."yes yes now go away" ...."really?" ....'yeah a whole 15 credits"

- Conrad Verner

-Mordin

- "did that just shoot a laser at us?' Sherpard: yeah just think of it as practice

-Shep "Whats wrong wrex?" Wrex: "Lets just say Mordin cut where scapals were never intended to cut"

- Guards on Normandy: yeah wasn't Cerberus an Alliance black ops team? yeah if you had to deny the action its a crap action to begin with

[Archonsg]

Multiplayer status should never have been made to influence single player mode. Any who claims otherwise, I'd like to know how you can get 5000 EMS without multi-player.

To make matters worse, your Galactic Readiness degrades a few percent every few hours. Don't play for a week, and you'll be back or near where you started.

What all this tells me is that Bioware does not think anyone will be playing the game a year or two from now. Seriously, would you, given the current ending and only 4 maps and one (horde) mode? Sure, its fun for now, my N7 rating is in the high 500s, (but only because I find it hard to go back and replay all my save games from ME1&2) but that can only last so long.

If I am not given a reason to replay ME3 with all those saved games, that is, have an ending where *MY* Shepard wins the day and I go "Boooyyaahh!" I don't see any reason to buy anything from Bioware again. That includes "middle ware" content that are supposed to clarify matters. Because seriously, why would I care about what happens in the middle when I know that the whole galaxy gets nuked via exploding Relays and why in the world of physics, means a dead galaxy and other illogical inconsistencies.

Not to mention, where are the endings where MY CHOICES MATTERS, as advertised?

I'll do what any other consumer who was sold an incomplete product and then told to like it. Take my business elsewhere.

Modifié par Archonsg, 02 avril 2012 - 06:34 .

[GFreeman200]

I finished the game yesterday afternoon; and thought I'd write about it. I've finally finished it, seemingly starting after every one else and spending nearly 50 hours playing it. The crux of what I have to say has been said better elsewhere. As a fan of Dragon Age and Mass Effect and a believer that KOTOR is one of the best RPGs of all time, I just wanted to add my voice.

First of all this game was amazing. Overall it knocked down all the pins that had been set up as effectively as Return Of The King.

The scenes showing Mordin's sacrifice were everything you could hope for for that character. It was manly tears I tell you. When Thane nearly beat down that chicken **** Kai Lang, while dying, it was too awesome. And when the choices of MY paragon Shepard bought about a peace against all odds between the quarians and the geth, I actually said to myself "my God.This is amazing. I really dont care what the ending is, it would have to be on par with "it was all a dream" to ruin this ....

My own experience with the ending is weird, there are some points were I might have liked it.
You get to the teleporter, see Anderson, and have your show down with The Illusive Man. I really wished I had that last dialog option (I had played paragon the whole way) but fine.
I slump down next to Anderson, stare out at Earth, and exchange a few words about how we did good (both of us not long for this world). Some beautiful music is playing. Apart from the hideous jpeg theyre staring out at - this was awesome.

Then you die; and ascend through white light to see the Creator. Wow. People were complaining about this?!
The Star Child has his discussion with me; and it's beautiful. The thought that has gone into this, you could not accuse Bioware of rushing it, I thought.
Then He specifically mentions that created ALWAYS rebel against their creators; and I thinking Yes!! This is it! Shepard is going to argue about the progress unique to this cycle, different from the Prothean tyranny, and justify this life cycle to the God Child. Because of MY choices, I will be able to argue that life (both created and creators) has evolved, and should be able to continue as is.
But... No .......
Why was I not able to convince Star Child this would be different? What were the speeches of Eve for a new, more matriarchal start for the krogan, about new understanding between geth and quarian and everyone coming together for, if they werent coming into play here?

Ok, so the 3 choices and only 3 choices thing was not what I expected, but I went with it.

My first thought was for Liara. Of the 3 choices, the red one seemed most likely to save Liara. The green one seemed cool, but I imagined Synthesis being a complete reboot that wouldnt leave anything as is. I didnt see Liaras body during my 100m dash, so I thought "if theres a chance to save her then I will" and I chose red. So began a minute of confusion after the explosion --
What? Joker's running, leaving the crew who were back on Earth were I last saw them? He would never leave the battle to save his own skin! And even if he would, he was in the middle of all the other ships.
Speaking of which, when did I sign up for destroying all the mass relays? All those ships are gonna be stranded!
So, Normandy crashes on a jungle planet and 'Traitor Joker' walks out.
And then Liara walks out ...
Say what?! How the ****ing hell?
Then Joker and Liara look at each other; like they got a planet to repopulate..
Awesome.

The problem I really have is that nothing I DECIDED to do feed into the ending. Its not the twist, or that I didnt personally kick a reaper's teeth in then get a big parade (although I think a more conventional ending would have been much more cathartic). I hate that it turns out to be exactly the same for every one.
I hate that a Renegade playthrough is completely unneccessary. My paragon Shep (who is actually now one of my most beloved characters in fiction) has made completely different decisions to what my renegade would do and yet they will end up with exactly the same decisions as each other.

I do realise that player choice is an illusion anyway; and that games from Witcher 2 to Bioware's own KOTOR have you play through an arc that ends basically the same in terms of game structure, its only skillful context and well executed cutscenes that reflect the different choices you made throughout. But that's the thing, thats why you have to put thought into them so the player goes away happy, thinking what he/ she did mattered.

And thats what I, and many other players want; simply an ending that appears to take into account our journey over the past few years. I for one play Bioware games for story; for a tale well-tolded that you rarely find elsewhere. This tale was not wrapped up well; and it's been too long in the telling for that to happen.

In the end I know it's just a game. But I wanted to vent somewhere, to say that the promises of unique endings depending on how you played were obviously not met. And I wanted to add my voice to the people who want the ending changed - more explanation, more differentiated cutscenes and denouement would be ok, but a complete rewrite would be better. It was a fantastic game; its just a pity that the endings of things are so damn important.

Modifié par GFreeman200, 02 avril 2012 - 06:40 .

[Avernius]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Epic win ^

[JackLaVaporiera]

GFreeman200 wrote...

I finished the game yesterday afternoon;

../snip...

1° I can't see a ME2 in your profile, think a bit if you should have played it since the very beginning, this is not the end of a game but of a "TRILOGY" that could have gone QUADRILOGY even with a satisfying ending.

2° Sure you can imagine God with that holobastard annoying kid ? Seriously ? You disappoint me, sir.

[Omnike]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

GFreeman200 wrote...

I finished the game yesterday afternoon;

../snip...

1° I can't see a ME2 in your profile, think a bit if you should have played it since the very beginning, this is not the end of a game but of a "TRILOGY" that could have gone QUADRILOGY even with a satisfying ending.

2° Sure you can imagine God with that holobastard annoying kid ? Seriously ? You disappoint me, sir.

I agree. Ascend into the Endo-Tron 3000 room. The SINGLE STUPIDEST PLOT DEVICE I may have ever seen in a great story. Yes, I'm complainging about the stupid, poorly written, last minute character your just compared to God. You got the rest spot on though. I personally thought the ending got rocky right when Harbinger blasts you.

[Jawsomebob]

Avernius wrote...

Jawsomebob wrote...

Epic win ^

my response to you dawg catylist...."HOW IS THIS HELPING ME???" <----I love this meme

[garytwine]

trogwolf wrote...

"Contrary to your opinion, I don't have to do anything based on your argument.  I can't help it if you feel put down by what I typed.  If you do, maybe you are subconsciously acknowledging that your arguments are exactly as I characterized them - tantrums or based on unreasonable expectations.  Your opinions are yours and as such they are valid to you.  They are invalid for me and to me.   I think they are invalid for the reasons stated, it is that simple as far as I am concerned."


 Have you ever actually experienced or seen a child throwing a tantrum? They are an unstoppable force. They will cry and scream and bash the floor and squirm around on the floor. They can't be reasoned with. They can't have a logical conversation with you and discuss your point of view. To a young child the entire world revolves around them. They want what they want and nothing else matters. Sometimes they even forget what they are crying about and just keep on going because they already are.

I'm sorry, but your argument is invalid. Pretty much everyone I've seen defending the endings has tried to state it in a logical and reasonable way. Maybe you should have a look through a dictionary and find a word more suited than tantrum? :-)

Modifié par garytwine, 02 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[GFreeman200]

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

think a bit if you should have played it since the very beginning,

Um, I did play since the beginning.... No I havent come here and registered games as I buy them because I havent felt compelled to post before. But I have played all 3 (plus Shadow Broker). Id hope from my post that it'd be obvious I love the series, except for the very end, and Im not trolling or lying.

JackLaVaporiera wrote...

2° Sure you can imagine God with that holobastard annoying kid ? Seriously ? You disappoint me, sir.

Not too sure what youre saying here.
Imagine God with that holobastard annoying kid? No, I was saying I thought the kid could be interpreted as God. Whether you call a character who has all the power, who controls the evil spaceships that bring about the end of life as we know it, and has total control over the choices you have available a god or that holobastard annoying kid is up to you. But its not the point

Modifié par GFreeman200, 02 avril 2012 - 07:14 .

[Jawsomebob]

harby needs some lines in the ending:

Modifié par Jawsomebob, 02 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[Sigh_Blaise]

I loved so much of the game, and i thought the entire ending build up was the best i've played in any game. Each sub-campaign felt like an awesome ending to the different stories of Mass Effect in their own right, and then there was the massively dramatic climax to Shepards story.

I just wish they didn't destroy the Mass Relays because that was the core to the Mass Effect universe. That made me upset. Everything else in the ending i understood and accepted (or conveniently overlooked).

There were too many times i wanted to text a mate and said "Holy....!!!", so i can't pick one. I'd like to say all playthroughs (maybe 250-300 hours in total, or more) from ME1 to ME3 have the best times i've ever had playing computer games.

[EvilMind]

I'm curious why is there so many lies in official statements?

"Multiple endings" - really, where?

"Your choices matter" - they did?

People who bouhgt game based on your promises and previous games feel really betrayed. And all you do is defend yourself with even more ridiculous statements... I swear every signle day I have less and less respect for you Bioware

Modifié par EvilMind, 02 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Fluffty]

All I wanted was to build a house with Tali, Instead I killed the entire galaxy. I have read some of the posts but with over 500 pages of complaining with about 25 posts per page, that is over 12,500 notes about the poor ending I have not been able to read everything.
For such a fantastic build up and I mean everything from landing on Eden Prime (ME1) to running running for the portal to the citadel the ending seemed rushed. Regardless of anything everyone dies because if I remember rightly destroying a mass relay effectively nukes the entire solar system (if not why are the Batarians so pissy with you destroying one of their relays?). That would mean everyone's home worlds are gone including earth so what was the point?