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[ciclopez]

the last meeting between liara and shepard. Garrus is a good chap to have around. And Wrex is the brother i would like to have!
now fix the ending... and move your bums please!

[Archonsg]

Painis Cupcake wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

It's funny how mad you're all getting over this, it was a masterfully
constructed ending, and clearly their plan worked. It's a petty you all
cannot see it.

Shepard's sacrifice was admirable, but that doesn't change the fact his sacrfice only put the galaxy further into chaos now that mass relays are destroyed. What will happen to your stranded friends? What about the surviving forces in your armada you took with you into the war? What about the many occupied planets/systems/nebulae now isolated and unable to give or receive supplies?

If anything, Shepard's sacrifice was in vain and ultimately gave the galaxy a more grim death.

I believe what 
Xerkysz  meant (I can't really speak for him since he's being vauge and all, but i can guess) is that it was EA / Bioware's plan all along to put in that craptastic ending. 
Why? 
Sales.

EA / Bioware Exec 01: "Hey, I've got an idea how we can make sure almost everyone who played all two previous games buy a $xx.xx DLC. We sold what, 4 million, how about 4 milion more in DLC sales for sure?"

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "How are you going to manage that?"

EA / Bioware Exec 01 : " We give them the most craptastic ending we can think up off." 

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "Won't that ****** them all off?

EA / Bioware Exec 01 : "Sure but we'll, appologise later after all the more vocal ones have ranted and people start begging for a DLC fix. Give them a little time to stew around and get desperate."

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "What? You think that'll work? Could blow up in your face man."

EA / Bioware Exec 01: "I have two words to say to you ..."Horse armor". This will be great. They'll pay us just so we'll "fix" the ending for them."

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "Hey, you know, that might just work."


(All characters are fictional and only exist in my mind. Any similarities to actual events are purely in coincedence) 

[CrimsonNephilim]

ssyyllaarr wrote...

beserker7 wrote...

MaYtriX wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

vigna wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Xarathos wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

Raised... 

Same. 

(raises hand)

Raises hand....

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.

*raises hand*

Add me too.

bump.

'both hands raised"

Couldn't even play through the game 1 time wth my ONLY Shepard.

[Vade Katana]

Loved 99% of the game but not the ending.

All of my issue are summed up in this video


But really great job on the rest of the game!

[Nighthunteer]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

maddlarkin wrote...

MaYtriX wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Xyalon wrote...

vigna wrote...

zarnk567 wrote...

SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

Xarathos wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.

Raised... 

Same. 

(raises hand)

Raises hand....

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.

*raises hand*

Add me too.

*hand raised*  Me too

Raised

Sadly raised

[Kingthlayer]

FearCain wrote...

Maximus Wrexmimus wrote...

FearCain wrote...

Lyriq wrote...

FearCain wrote...

I had two primary issues with the story / ending.

Spoiler

We had been hinted at the past that the Quarians started the war with the Geth. I found it cheap that it was one or the other, but not both could survive. Bringing peace to the Synthetics and the Creators has a much more impact to current events and I am honestly surprised that it was failed to be captured upon. It could easily have influences felt all the way to the end of the game. Hell the whole premise of the ending is the Created always rebel the Creators, you could actually prove that fallacy to the Reapers.

You CAN save both.

If you can with Paragon or Renegade points, then it was impossible for my play through despite doing every mission/side mission.  I will be replaying it, but can someone else confirm this?

My first play through was a non-import of ME2, I had lost my save, so if its that route that could also explain it.

I think it being a non import might have sonmething to do with it. To attain peace, you have to have destoyed the geth heretics on the base in ME2, settled the argument between Tali and Legion in ME2, saved the Quarian in ME3, Did Legion's side quest in ME3, and one other thing I forgot.

You are also allowed to not do one of these things and still get peace. I rewrote the heretics back in ME2, but did everything else, so I got to save the Geth and Tali. (Legion dies no matter what).

Thank you sir, I just finished researching it, and they are all related to ME2 save it seems / Paragon points.  Still its a very important concept that should have been a riding factor in the main ME3 story, now just a wing of boolean conditions based on prior games

It's actually Renegade that brings them both together.  Destroying the Geth in Mass Effect 2 is a Renegade option.  And saving the Admiral instead of all the civilains with him should also be considered Renegade.

Renegade Shepards saving the Galaxy!!!!!!!!!

[Th33x1l3]

That's the main problem... after so many excellent moments, you gave us an very crappy ending... It's like when we go to an restaurant, have the best steak in the house, the best wine and then when it's time to desert, they gave us an rotten apple.

[stargatefan1990]

i was going to write something detailed but i decided not to and just say i loved every moment of me1,2 and 3 until the ending

[gaultwizard]

Balmung31 wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

When I see Bioware give appreciation to Shepard by having an optional ending where he lives and can be reunited with his crew and LI, maybe I'll tell you. 

I completely agree with you. I was crushed to get to the end and Shepard HAD to die. Was it really necessary? Why couldn't the Hero of the Galaxy be reunited with the people he did all this for? His selfless service should have been rewarded with something other than death! Oh, I also hate how you watch your Shepard die then afterwards you go back to the Normandy like nothing happend. How much more character development do you need to do after he DIES!? Well, thats my two-cents for what its worth.

[Amdor]

For me ME3 is greatly composed story - there is humor, action, sadness... if not for ending it would be 8,5-9/10 (-1 for lack of vehicle missions - I don't want dlc ones - you showed in me 2 that they can be done, and expectations for sequel is greater than for prequel, so there should be tank/flight missions in vanilla game). There are some minor things that ME3 lacked (Kelly Chambers on wall on board of normandy if she dies; no way to meet Morinth that is not a banshee, etc) but still, I'm just waiting for that Free DLC ending - just don't keep me waiting for next month...

[Bubi7]

basically most convos with Wrex, his witty comments; best example:
Wrex: "And Shepard-- I like what you've done with the Normandy. Got tired of always hanging around the cargo bay before. I still don't have a window like Liara does.... but maybe that's because I don't kiss as well." with his laughter afterwards. Shepard: "no comment"
Seriously, that killed me.

On the Salarian homeworld when you encounter a yahg (and probably if you ahve Liara in your squad): comment from the other squadmate: "Hey I can see a new Shadowbroker!"
Liara: "I wish I'd never see that yahgs again"
other squadmate: "I heard he was whispering *Liaraaa T'Soniii*"
Liara: "That is not funny"
ooor like "seven zettabytes of explicit images",
"Put me in a shuttle. I don't want to tell my grandkids that I spent the war guarding a door"
or even when Joker told you that he was "not planning on dating Harbinger"
or the geth instantly believing the reapers are coming; Shep "That must have been nice."
- can't list all of them
You could actually feel the impact of the whole war and destruction on the crew emotionally, like Ashley and Tali getting drunk (even though that had its comical side)
Them actually remembering stuff from ME1 and ME2.. just awesome.
I got sucked into the whole story, and the relationships between all of the characters, and changings in their character development (Liara - from a shy asari researcher to a fighting asari on mars.. wow) (Tali - from a quarian on her pilgrimage to an admiral in the fleet)
to stop myself from writing a wall of text.. there are way more moments which were so unique, which filled the game, and made ME1+2+3 the best games I ever played.
Of course, except the end, I felt unsatisfied, and actually sad.(others wrote enough about that already, where I had to agree, sadly)
Where are my little blue children?

[noobcannon]

let me build tali a house, then i'll talk.

[spyro396]

New ending where we can play after we beat the game, add some vehicke exploration, reunite with LI , endings make sense, and then i think u got ur problem fixed

[stargatefan1990]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

i was going to write something detailed but i decided not to and just say i loved every moment of me1,2 and 3 until the ending which was a fail 

[MustacheManatee]

Favorite moment? The one where Bioware and Harbinger tricked a bunch of Shepards into being indoctrinated of course! Also loved the Cerberus attack on the Citadel!

Patiently awaiting the end of the game.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9897684

[Deschi]

Carlthestrange wrote...

The gameplay, the story, the buildup was top class.

And then the ending. None of your choices matter one bit. Well, that is unless you don't have enough troops and destroy all life. But thats hardly much extra.

It felt like you'd rushed out the ending at the last second, like EA had given you a deadline before the ending was done. It was an ending filled with plotholes, rainbows and well... destroying the whole Mass Effect universe by cutting it off forever.

Of course, if it was one of those endings that is supposed to make you "Think" or even a dream style ending, that sucks too. Its like a giant middle finger at the fans. I can tell you, even when it comes to TV shows. We HATE dream episodes.

Please fix the ending. And validate the work we put in to get through this incredible journey.

For me it always matters how "dreams" or pretemtiously spoken "diegetic narrative layers" are presented and integrated in the story. Look at the movies of David Lynch or for another stylistic approach Terry Gilliam or the early works of Darren Aronofsky regarding films. There you can see that "dream" or "twisted reality" concepts can work quite well and in an artisitic way. But there you can feel in the whole style that it is meant to BE that way. In the case of my beloved Mass Effect series this "plot twist" feels just not fitting. I could try to analyze this with narrative theories but i think therr is no need doing it as it is obvious that most people just feel that it's somehow not right... especially as the rest of the game and also the first two parts are classics and totally brilliant.

pic heavily related: from a series/movie which handels dream sequences quite well


Edit: OOhh and my favourite moments? Too many to tell. Not kidding! The cameos and even longer apperances of so many beloved older characters. Getting the chance to establish deeper relationships with the characters and of course: the sequences when you face a full grown reaper, the epic cut scenes and so many well made quick time events... despite the ending you did such a great job guys. One of the best games ever period.... the space battle near earth still gives me goosebumbs in a good way

Modifié par Deschi, 15 mars 2012 - 06:29 .

[Brahlis]

The entire game was my favorite moment .... until I got to the ending and I wanted to blow my brains out.

[MaraGriffyn]

I appreciate the acknowledgement that our concerns are being listened to and will hopefully be addressed. I was rather upset by the dismissive comments from Casey Hudson in an interview the other day, and I was hoping they weren't indicative of BioWare's response as a whole.

That said, I want to make very clear that the reason why I, and many people I know, are so upset by the ending is because the rest of the game is so very good. From the moment it started, I was so glad to be back in Shepard's shoes, so to speak. She's my favorite video game protagonist, largely because she's who I chose her to be. And that's what it's all about - those choices that feel so important, and Mass Effect 3 did such a great job of making them feel that way - right up until the last ten minutes of the game.

It's tough to pick one favorite moment - everything on Tuchanka, everything on Rannoch, Kai Leng, Mordin's, Legion's, and Thane's sacrifices, the amazing ambient dialogue all over the Citadel, and of course the ability to continue the relationships with characters I've grown to love over the course of these games and get to know new ones, like Vega, Traynor and Cortez - there's no way I could pick just one moment. Through the entire game, I was feeling something - fear, love, joy, heartbreak - and that's exactly what I wanted.

The reason why I'm so disheartened by the ending is that I know it could've and should've been so much better. Thank you for listening.

[Getorex]

Souris wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Souris wrote...
you're just proving my point that you're being too dramatic...
make you realize ...
 the ending, although it came out of left field, was okay. It wasn't some horrible terrible thing, it wasn't fantastic, it just was there....
people should not let...

I respect your opinions.  Now respect ours, and stop pretending that the above is anything other than your opinion.  Stop telling me what to think, what to do, what it means, and disguising your own value judgements as absolute truths.  It's insulting and demeans both of us.

Thats not what I'm trying to do. I'm having a discussion. Everything is so pitchforks and fire, doom and gloom, that no one will look at the journey. It's frustrating.

I'm pretty binary about certain things.  Pull the rug out from under me or pull the chair out when I'm sitting down and it wont be a pitchfork and fire you get.  I wouldn't have the patience to run out to the barn to get the pitchfork (I have one) and don't need a fire.  Both items for a response take far longer than the actual appropriate response (and no, it isn't to have a 'discussion' over why you would do that to me.  There's no 'discussion' to be had).

[Athro]

I loved the whole game until the end.

Favourite moments?

Kaidan and Male Shep sharing a drink and talking about Shep's worries.

Thresher Maw vs Reaper

That all the crew had lives independent of Sheps activities and didn't just stay in one spot on the ship all the time.

Great Banter.

All the awesome call backs to previous decisions in the other games. It really made me feel like I was playing *my* story and not just a prepackaged plot that everyone was experiencing.

James - I really liked his character. Funny, cool... he was my favourite new character.

The Geth/Quarian conflict was a huge highlight of the story. Very well written.

Kaidan and Shepard's last talk in London before the final push. It was touching and really well written.

The gameplay, and even the Multiplayer (I don't normally play MP games) was sublimely good. It's why I'm playing though the game again even though I really don't like the endings.

As others have said - pretty much everything but the last few minutes of the game was excellent. As a professional writer, though, the ending was a real disappointment because it made so many mistakes regarding how to end a narrative. I won't beat the dead horse here - but suffice to say, it was jarring and so below the quality of writing up to that point that it does a massive disservice to the rest of the game.

[AynGhandi]

Brahlis wrote...

The entire game was my favorite moment .... until I got to the ending and I wanted to blow my brains out.

TIM blowing his brains out was just his way of warning us not to proceed, for he had seen what lied ahead. 

[stargatefan1990]

Hands up if you will not be interested in any DLC until the ending is fixed *Hand up*

[Kyrick]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Why would anybody who had legitimate questions and concerns bother engaging in whatever you feel 'healthy' discussions are?  Bioware has, since this whole brouhaha commenced, done nothing but denigrate and mock anybody who felt (or feels) upset about the ending of this game and series.  Instead of releasing a statement declaring your intentions and answering the simple question of whether or not the ending was legit or something different with more to come, you have all danced around the issue and further enraged and depressed people.

Whatever you think 'healthy' discussion is, you're certainly not bothering to engage in it.  You're mocking the community with coy little posts.

And don't pretend that saying, "Yes, the ending is the actual ending" or "No, the ending is not the actual ending and there is more to come" is giving away 'spoilers'.  It's mentioning nothing of the content whatsoever and only using generalities that only people who've played the game through (or who have read the spoilers already) would know anything about.

While I think there is more coming, I feel that you at Bioware have handled this beyond badly.  You've messed with people's emotions and expectations.  This, in itself, isn't that terrible if you deal with it relatively quickly.  But you've all allowed people to get and stay upset for a very long time period.  You've actively harmed yourselves and your brand name with this.  I personally know three people that flatly refuse to support Bioware any longer, and these are people who've been with you (as I have) from the Baldur's Gate days.  They're not upset at the game's ending (or lack thereof) so much as they are your attitudes toward the community during this whole mess.  Two of them have canceled subscriptions to TOR in point of fact, simply because they 'refuse to commit to a company willing to deceive their consumers and make fun of their concerns.'  

I don't mention things like this to change your minds or anything.  You likely don't even read posts like this, if your continued attitudes are any indication.  I simply post in the (maybe vain) hope that, at some point, somebody from Bioware will see this and stop to ponder how they've handled this mess.  Will the two guildies from TOR I'm friends with come back?  Nope.  These are people who've not touched another SOE game since the Galaxies flim-flammery, up to and including the present day.  They simply stopped supporting the company.

At some point, apologies and protestations of 'But it was all for artistic merit!!!' cease being appropriate guys.  Myself, I've set a deadline of PAX.  If I've not heard anything about the endings up to that point, I'll be pulling the plug alongside my ex-guildies and friends, for the very same reasons.  I'm willing to give you a bit more leeway, but the more time passes, the more aggrieved I become at this whole mess.

I'm not sure what possessed you all to handle this in this fashion, without communicating to the community what is happening for so very long.  Whatever the reason is has ceased to become relevant however.  There are some people and customers that you've lost over it.  I know, I know, a couple people don't really matter to your bottom line.  You likely don't care.  That, in and of itself, indicates that you're a whole lot different than the Bioware that operated only a short drive from where I worked in Edmonton.  It's a shame that you've seemingly changed from a company that cared about its customers to one that, seemingly, sits back and laughs at the negative emotions you've provoked in your audience while letting them stew in those emotions.

Yeah, you'll say you're not laughing and you're collecting feedback and all the other things a company says when they try to avoid damage.  But actions speak louder than words and, in this case, your actions have spoken quite loudly indeed.

Signed,
A concerned and somewhat sad customer.

Modifié par Kyrick, 15 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[noobcannon]

[quote]Nighthunteer wrote...

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[quote]SassyJazRzmataz wrote...

[quote]Xarathos wrote...

[quote]Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.[/quote]

Raised... 

[/quote]

Same. 

[/quote]

(raises hand)

[/quote]
Raises hand....

[/quote]

Raises hand for all current and future shepards.
[/quote]
*raises hand*

[/quote]

Add me too.

[/quote]

*hand raised*  Me too
[/quote]

Raised

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Sadly raised

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raised

...that's a pretty big pyramid.

[aksoileau]

I won't create a quote pyramid, but I'm raising my hand. There's so little motivation to do a replay now because choices don't mean a damn thing with those endings.