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[krogstor]

If you're really listening, realize that we are tired of you just listening. We want answers and a response. That's all there is to it.

I can drag that sentence out for more than 3 paragraphs if you really want me to, but there's no need when it can be summed up so quickly.

[Energycell001]

Omnike wrote...

trogwolf wrote...

How many "intended" endings do you suppose they were considering throughout the three or more years that they have been creating this game? Comments like this: "You know they changed the ending from the original inended ending... right?" strike me as naive.

Which leads me to understand that you haven't been reading into this. Drew Karpyshyn came out and described what they had originally intended the end of the trilogy to come to. It was all supposed to surround dark energy.

http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings 

There's an article describing him talking about it. 

If the ending was surrounded by the dark energy plot it could bring down a lot of closure and BiowEA did not wanted to "close" this game like that, because this kind of forums supposed to be full of comments like it is now. On the other hand I bet that they were expecting this wave of critics on the ending and they expected too a DLC with "closure ending" for another nice income. As a lot of guys stated this here before, it's 90% business and just 10% art. I hate what human species became, but this is it. Anyway, if the ending will be fully explained and closed we will have 11% of art and this is a big step forward.

[XFemShepX]

I just wanted to add a quick comment here and throw in my support to the Retake movement.

I've played and finished Mass Effect 3 once with my Paragon. I am trying to finish a second playthrough with my Renegade, but I honestly don't even have the will to do it. The ending is so bad, and knowing that nothing matters anyway, I don't really have a desire to do it.

But multiplayer is still awesome, so. <shrug>

[Leem_0001]

Anyone at Bioware listening? Any kind of feedback to the crticism coming our way?

Or do we have to wait for PAX, like the rumours are suggesting?

[Energycell001]

Leem_0001 wrote...

Anyone at Bioware listening? Any kind of feedback to the crticism coming our way?

Or do we have to wait for PAX, like the rumours are suggesting?

I guess it is not their policy to spoil their work

[Leem_0001]

Energycell001 wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Anyone at Bioware listening? Any kind of feedback to the crticism coming our way?

Or do we have to wait for PAX, like the rumours are suggesting?

I guess it is not their policy to spoil their work

Wait for it......................

Like they spoiled the Mass Effect 3 endings??? 

Thank you, you have been a lovely audience, be sure to tip your waitress. Goodnight!

Modifié par Leem_0001, 02 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[MWMike2011]

BioWare, this is getting rather ridiculous. You keep saying that an announcement is coming soon, it will be reveal soon, we are listening, but you need to give us SOMETHING! Hell, Retake gave you cupcakes, you couldn't give us a little piece of something for that?

[Fruit of the Doom]

Chris Priestly wrote...
In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Scanning the planet Kobobulu in the system Rizazapat for the Obelisk of Pootpoot.

Tears came to my eyes when I got Reputation +2 and my EMS score went up 10 points.

It was even more wonderful speculating about what the Obelisk of Pootpoot was, and the tremendous repercussions it would have for the Mass Effect universe.

Modifié par Fruit of the Doom, 02 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[darkway1]

The whole fantastic concept of Mass Effect is about making choices....so why couldn't there be a Shepard lives ending and a Shepard dies ending....just seems like Biowware missed an obvious golden opportunity to make everyone happy....in stead the present endings don't seem to have satisfied anyone?

[SaabFAN86]

Reading in the Mass Effect Wiki about Haestrom caused another question that is completely unanswered in ME3: DARK ENERGY!
ME2 mentioned an increased interest in Dark Energy and Talis Mission on Haestrom is to collect Data about the Sun that is ageing prematurely.
There is no Answer provided for this.

I dont know if this Dark Energy-Topic can be retrofitted into the new Ending DLC, or if this requires a Mass Effect 4, but I think that this Plotline provides great potential for "one more story"^^

[Hisilome]

I just finished ME3 less than an hour ago; I already knew about the endings, seen the videos of all three even before my own copy of the game arrived. But still...going through that mission for my own playthrough made a difference.

Congratulations, BW for the last mission. Up to the moment Shepard runs, battered, bruised, clearly nearly dead into the beam to the Citadel, it was amazing!

But then...there were things that made sense, aye, no argument there; but the plotholes that have been mentioned in this thread extensively and in many posts, made it all pretty pointless.

OK, we didn't really expect a happy ending, you might say, though Shepard has earned it; but we did expect some choices, based on the previous games, our choices there, but also, the way the previous games were handled-which was magnificent, by the way!-and all we seemed to get was a load of randomness, a previously unknown, entirely ouf of the blue 'god-child' with completely non-sensical reasoning about what the Reapers do and why:a race of synthetic creatures, contrived who knows how many millenia ago by what appears to be an A.I. 'deity', come in to wipe all organic life clean every 50.000years, because otherwise, organics and synthetics will be at war?Really? That makes no sense whatsoever!

I tried rationalising...there is just no way!

I chose the 'Destroy'option and then there's the whole disaster scenario-mass relays being blown up, reasonably, according to Arrival, taking down whole planetary systems with them; stranding everyone's fleet in Earth's space,since noone can go home...We are never shown what happens with any of that and, honestly, if that's what 'winning'means, we might have as well surrendered to the Reapers, at least they'd let some planets survive, instead of tearing the galaxy apart!

And to add salt to the wound, when Shepard is having her last flashback, friends(Joker) and family( Anderson) and loved one(in my case, it should have been Thane), we all get a flashback of Liara? Why?? It might seem like a small thing, but it is rather disconcerting, to those who have not romanced Liara!!:/

Aaand then, of course, the Normandy; where I, too, like so many others ,witnessed my own squadmates, the two characters who were with my Shepard in London, emerge from the crashed airship alongside Joker...when they were running with me the last time I checked before the Citadel. Wish someone had told us we had teleporters all this time!

I'm sorry, much as I have loved the games, even Mass Effect 3, up to that beam, the endings made it all pointless;everything we've done has been for nothing, there is no 'victory' to speak of, the ME world is ruined-as far as we can tell by what we are shown!

I really hope you ARE listening and I hope even more you finally come out and say something that isn't a vague, cryptic comment; because you have really lost points there, points of respect from a large part of us, your fanbase, the people who have loved your games and bought them and recommended them to others. You need to rebuild that trust and, frankly, you've been silent and cryptic and aloof and vague too long already!

Modifié par Hisilome, 02 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[jeweledleah]

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

/rubs temples... its like trying to explain calculus to someone who barely has understanding of basic arithmetic.

why do I even try.

oh right. in hopes that developers might actually poke their heads in there, especially codex writers and go.. hmm, we really do need to address those points.

jeweledleah my friend, I hate to see you wasting your intellectual energy with this err…guy. He’s been trolling this thread for days. He always loses the argument miserably when presented with irrefutable facts…no matter, he keeps at it. He isn’t interested in a reasonable discussion, he’s just trolling. Just ignore him.

Yeah you can't argue with him. He starts them but can't keep them up. He loses, and then starts another one. Ignore Thanatos, he's just a bad troll.

It is called having a life you should try it. I have ststed my posistion consistantly....It is you that just reverts to calling people a troll. Thats when I just go to other things cause the fact is you know you have no standing.

And you revert to name calling. I've seen countless times you calling us children. And then you say I have no life? You don't know me. And I do have standing. In fact, I recall each time I bring up a bad point about the ending, you can't even argue it. You stop arguing and try to start another argument. So, let's recap:

- You can't argue your standing on the ending
- You start saying that I have no life
- You say I can't argue my standing, even though you have not provided a counter arguement except "The writers put it in"
-Lastly, you can't type worth ****. It's much easier to type on a keyboard than it is to write with a pen/pencil

Lol, good try kid. You're bad at this.

I have argued my standing you just dont seem to be able to grasp it.

Thats right I did cause you are under the delusion that I should answer you automatically even though I have to go back pages to find if you ever even quoted me.....Sorry your not that important.

All you ever do is cry about some star child cause you dont undersdtand that most computer programs have to be activated they just dont pop on.....Thus the reason why the soverign had to activate the citidel....Which was a relay .....Which by the way they couldnt use even in the third game cause of what shep did in the first.

As for my typing thats not a point thats you acting the fool.....

I pretty much doubt you are older than I but if you want to call me kid go right ahead it just more further shows your ignorance.

[VaddixBell]

Has anyone seen this video   , it deconstructs the ending and why it's broke. Those who hate and love the endings should watch this to see exactly why the ending is bad.

Modifié par VaddixBell, 02 avril 2012 - 02:49 .

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

Shep is a martyr cause it makes sure they are not asked to make another game with him/her.

[Leem_0001]

SaabFAN86 wrote...

Reading in the Mass Effect Wiki about Haestrom caused another question that is completely unanswered in ME3: DARK ENERGY!
ME2 mentioned an increased interest in Dark Energy and Talis Mission on Haestrom is to collect Data about the Sun that is ageing prematurely.
There is no Answer provided for this.

I dont know if this Dark Energy-Topic can be retrofitted into the new Ending DLC, or if this requires a Mass Effect 4, but I think that this Plotline provides great potential for "one more story"^^

Supposedly, so I have heard on these forums, the Dark Energy sub-plot was meant to come to the fore in ME3 - at least that was the original idea of Drew Karpyshicanneverspellhislastname. Supposedly the increase in Dark Energy was the whole reason the Reapers exist, to somehow find a way to stop it. And apparently the human Reaper from ME2 was a way to do that.

Don't know much more but I would love to read the original synposis as it sounds very interesting to me. Much better than what we got.

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

Shep is a martyr cause it makes sure they are not asked to make another game with him/her.

like death every stopped anyone.

like hero living ever stopped the company from making a sequel using a different hero  "oh hello there, Dragon age"

character dying has to make sence in context of the story.  it shouldn't be a tacked on device that has nothing to do with the story.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 02 avril 2012 - 02:54 .

[Leem_0001]

jeweledleah wrote...

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

This!

If people want the whole martyr thing then it could have been in as a choice. Or Shep could have had to sacrifice someone else to win (don't know the specifics lol) - Anderson, a squadmante, even TIM. It could have been done so well and the people who felt Shepard giving up his own life was the right course of action had that choice.

Choice was what was promised, and what we didn't get.

As the whole Martyr thing goes though - I don't see why someone who goes through huge struggle, makes difficult choices in situations beyond his or her control, needs to die at the end. Not really the message we want to give to our youth is it?

'Always be true to yourself, make what you think are the right choices in any situation, and try your best. If you do this you will be the best person you can be - oh, and you will also die. But thats just how it is.'

[Mordak55]

Am sure that they are listening, am just not sure that they care.

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

Shep is a martyr cause it makes sure they are not asked to make another game with him/her.

like death every stopped anyone.

like hero living ever stopped the company from making a sequel using a different hero  "oh hello there, Dragon age"

character dying has to make sence in context of the story.  it shouldn't be a tacked on device that has nothing to do with the story.

Of course it follows the story.  Sheps death is writen in the story. The story of shps life is about her/his sacrifices for the galaxy. It is about what she/he would do to save everything.

[CmdrSkinner]

Leem_0001 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

why MUST Shepard be a martyr? could someone PLEASE explain to me their fascination with Martyrdom? would YOU want to be a Martyr? is that your goal in life, the ultimate good a person can do? die?

what exactly do you have against winning?

ending has many problems. and yes, Shepard dying by default while causing more destruction then reapers could even hope to - IS part of the problem.

if you think that the best ending for your Shepard is death? you should have that option. why do you insist on denying an option of Shepard surviving to live out the rest of his/her life with what friends are left to those who want it?

This!

If people want the whole martyr thing then it could have been in as a choice. Or Shep could have had to sacrifice someone else to win (don't know the specifics lol) - Anderson, a squadmante, even TIM. It could have been done so well and the people who felt Shepard giving up his own life was the right course of action had that choice.

Choice was what was promised, and what we didn't get.

As the whole Martyr thing goes though - I don't see why someone who goes through huge struggle, makes difficult choices in situations beyond his or her control, needs to die at the end. Not really the message we want to give to our youth is it?

'Always be true to yourself, make what you think are the right choices in any situation, and try your best. If you do this you will be the best person you can be - oh, and you will also die. But thats just how it is.'

Agreed!

[akenn312]

EJ42 wrote...

I have nothing to say that hasn't already been said better here...

http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

Great post, & great link to read and if you especially read page 6 with an open mind you should understand why the current ending is so against the Mass Effect theme.

* Tolerance and Unity

Arguably, the overreaching thrust of Mass Effect from the first moment you meet Shepard to the landing of forces from all over the galaxy on Earth is tolerance. Humanity has worked to find its place in the galaxy, overcoming old prejudices to work forward toward a common future. Each game has Shepard putting aside the issues of his crew with one another and with him in order to get a job done, and everyone is better for it. While Shepard can choose to take the side of one person or race over another in many instances, often condemning one side to destruction, the theme at work in all cases is one of finding a place in the universe among all the other races. Even if you choose to be intolerant, the very fact that tolerance or intolerance is the choice at hand builds on the theme.


The theme is extended even further throughout the games as Shepard brings together a team of various species who carry a lot of emotional baggage and problems with each other from a historical, cultural and racial standpoint. Unifying them, turning them from enemies to allies, is dealt with repeatedly in Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2; by Mass Effect 3, it’s extending to include the entire galaxy. Shepard is literally solving long-standing problems of hatred and violence between several groups of people. He helps them learn tolerance, and later, unity.

The Illusive Man stands against these themes as a symbol of hatred and racism, pushing humanity backward and separating it. And the Reapers stand against these themes, unyielding in their belief that organic life must be wiped out/harvested/ascended/whatever. But where tolerance has always been an option in the games before, and has always been achievable before, it is discarded wholly in the end.



This is what bothers me the most about this ending even more than having choice taken away by the Catylist. Is how the choices especially Synthesis completly go against everything you were building to achieve and that was free will, peace and diversity. It's like playing a WWII game to build the allied forces to defeat the Axis allies then at the end to win the war you can only join the Axis party even though you won the game.

Modifié par akenn312, 02 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...
Of course it follows the story.  Sheps death is writen in the story. The story of shps life is about her/his sacrifices for the galaxy. It is about what she/he would do to save everything.

is it?  does it?  i don't know about your Shepard, but being reading to die is not the same as actively working towards dying.  most of my Shepards are not suicidal.  most of my Shepards are big fans of general patton.  and concidering all the times the game lets you say "I plan on coming out of this one alive" as well as "we'll do everything we can to minimize sacrifices, sacrifice of life should be the last thing we do even if we cannot save them all"
I don't know what your shepards say to comeete, but even my renegades understand that its not about dying, its about standing united against a common foe, that a sum is stronger then its parts.

[Federelis]

@Thanatos144

I'm not familiar with your avatar there, but is there a reason you took one that looks badly bruised and constantly perplexed? Very much seems your eyes are wide open with bewilderment everytime you post back 'cause someone's actually put you on the spot here. Every single time I might add. And you have a funny way of arguing with "facts" you either never have laid out, or are based on wild guesses what the devs might have supposed to have meant quite possibly maybe.

For instance where's the indication the starchild AI needed activation? It's just not there. On the other hand the child states that the citadel is it's home, it lives there. Supposedly controlling the reapers ALL the time, thank you very much. Doesn't sound like just now activated or a simple program. Not even in a metaphorical sense.

Congrats though for having solved your spelling error problem...

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
Of course it follows the story.  Sheps death is writen in the story. The story of shps life is about her/his sacrifices for the galaxy. It is about what she/he would do to save everything.

is it?  does it?  i don't know about your Shepard, but being reading to die is not the same as actively working towards dying.  most of my Shepards are not suicidal.  most of my Shepards are big fans of general patton.  and concidering all the times the game lets you say "I plan on coming out of this one alive" as well as "we'll do everything we can to minimize sacrifices, sacrifice of life should be the last thing we do even if we cannot save them all"
I don't know what your shepards say to comeete, but even my renegades understand that its not about dying, its about standing united against a common foe, that a sum is stronger then its parts.

They dont know they will die.........You do ......But you do know the shepard is a fictional character that doesnt know that she/he will die right?