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[Thanatos144]

Ownedbacon wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Federelis wrote...

@Thanatos144

I'm not familiar with your avatar there, but is there a reason you took one that looks badly bruised and constantly perplexed? Very much seems your eyes are wide open with bewilderment everytime you post back 'cause someone's actually put you on the spot here. Every single time I might add. And you have a funny way of arguing with "facts" you either never have laid out, or are based on wild guesses what the devs might have supposed to have meant quite possibly maybe.

For instance where's the indication the starchild AI needed activation? It's just not there. On the other hand the child states that the citadel is it's home, it lives there. Supposedly controlling the reapers ALL the time, thank you very much. Doesn't sound like just now activated or a simple program. Not even in a metaphorical sense.

Congrats though for having solved your spelling error problem...

it never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

You didn't really read my post, did you?

Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

Yep, you didn't read it.

Perhaps maybe you should.....You seem to think that there should have been clues for the twist so you wouldnt be surprosed by it.......Thats plain stupid. From the begining you have no idea what the catalyst is and just cause you were wrong in your assumtion about it sdoes not mean it doesnt make sense.

Thanatos - no need to get hostile.

Its a well respected, and established, rule of storytelling that twist endings need to make sense in the context of what came before for them to work. 6th Sense ending? There were plenty of clues prior so that it did make sense.

The twist endings that DON'T work, and are universally critisised, are the ones that do not make sense given the context of what came before. They have no rhyme or reason, are lazy and slapdash, and because of this do not work to create emotive response (as they were intended). This is why the current ME3 endings fail.

And I'm not just saying that to cause a fight, its a well respected rule in story telling. Read any book on the subject, go to any good study course on it.

The ME3 endings were, simply put, poor and lazily done.

It does make perfect sense. 

Then we will agree to disagree.

There were references to a Reaper controller but it was very minor. The addition of the Catalyst Kid ruins the game and the series. Its whole existence renders the first game pointless. Why, in Mass Effect 1, did the Catalyst not simply call the Reapers himself? Why did Sovereign need to do it himself? In fact why was Sovereign even still in the Milky Way when the Catalyst could simply have monitored organic life himself and summoned the Reapers. Why did
the Catalyst allow the Protheans to reprogram the Keepers?

The Catalyst ruins the menace of the Reapers.
http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Because the catalystr was dorment till you merge it with the prothean device.

[Cross429]

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

[Thanatos144]

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

[luci90]

They see me trollin...they hatein..

[Federelis]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

You know the Quick Reply field at the bottom of the thread is merely an option, not an immediate demand like:
QUICK! REPLY!

You can take your time actually reading the posts, come to reasonable conclusions... or you can do your usual, skip everything until you read troll and mix a best of from your previous heavily disconnected arguments.

[Omnike]

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

You know the Quick Reply field at the bottom of the thread is merely an option, not an immediate demand like:
QUICK! REPLY!

You can take your time actually reading the posts, come to reasonable conclusions... or you can do your usual, skip everything until you read troll and mix a best of from your previous heavily disconnected arguments.

Haha, he throws around our lack of logical stance but fails EVERY TIME to give his own. Every time. No fail.

[Benchpress610]

Guys, stop feeding the troll. He’s been trolling this thread for days. He always loses the argument miserably when presented with irrefutable facts…no matter, he keeps at it. He isn’t interested in a reasonable discussion, he’s just trolling. Just ignore him.

[Archonsg]

Bioware/EA is a business no more no less. It used to be that Bioware was a company who were gamers making games for gamers, but that is long in the past. Now, it all boils down to how large a profit margin they can make off their games.

Personally, I do feel that Bioware is stalling simply because they need more online stats and data. How many people playing the game, how many playing their second or third runs, how many playing multiplayer, how many playing only multiplayer after completing their first run and so on.

All this to judge what if any DLCs to put out, and I am pretty certain that they already have completed / worked on DLCs on the cooker. Which gets put on the market first will depend on all these stats.

I am also pretty certain that they really did think that the ending we had as is, was a good one. Either that or they are in damage control and supporting / backing the company line. That is to say, not admit fault but try to diffuse / divert attention from the issues and controversy surrounding the subject.
Hence the mentioning of DLCs to "explain" the current ending as it is.

However, anyone who can think, do calculus or simply have common sense will feel that there is something very wrong with the ending. Not just from a logical perspective but also from a story telling point of view as well as from the flavor of the game itself. Which is, taking into account the players' choices, Shepard goes to do the impossible and win the day.

Choices matter. Being triumphant matters.
Bioware however chose to go "art" route, or so they claim but, seriously guys, even if you want to make that claim, especially for a Hard Sci-Fi title, your "artsy" Ending still has to make sense and not filled with plot holes, inconsistencies and follow the rules of physics you yourself set down.

You can't just wave a "magic wand" and tell people to believe improbabilities such as Shockwaves that selectively choose what parts of a craft to destroy / when it destroys to DNA altering "magic wave" that can somehow graft electrical, synthetic layers to organic material in a matter of seconds to every race and living thing, as well as put blood, muscle and organs (hence organic) into synthetics whose framework has no support for such.

I am a core fan.
Have been since Shattered Steel days, and yes I am old enough to be married and have kids who are playing your games.
The End as you gave us in Mass Effect 3 is simply, a bad choice, bad writing and most of all a disservice to everyone who has played the Mass Effect series.

Scrap the current ending. Re-write. Regain the lost thrust that you have long built.

Modifié par Archonsg, 02 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Thanatos144]

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

You know the Quick Reply field at the bottom of the thread is merely an option, not an immediate demand like:
QUICK! REPLY!

You can take your time actually reading the posts, come to reasonable conclusions... or you can do your usual, skip everything until you read troll and mix a best of from your previous heavily disconnected arguments.

You might wish to read your own posts then cause you seem to lack the knowlage of what they actually say.

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

You know the Quick Reply field at the bottom of the thread is merely an option, not an immediate demand like:
QUICK! REPLY!

You can take your time actually reading the posts, come to reasonable conclusions... or you can do your usual, skip everything until you read troll and mix a best of from your previous heavily disconnected arguments.

Haha, he throws around our lack of logical stance but fails EVERY TIME to give his own. Every time. No fail.

Haha again you your lack of readinfd comprahension never fails to amuse me. Go troll someone else.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 Haha again you your lack of readinfd comprahension never fails to amuse me. Go troll someone else.

I couldn't even read this one. Look kid, if you want to argue your point, argue it. Right now you're trolling and you're really bad at it.

[akenn312]

Thanatos144's method is to keep everyone focused on his posts and drown out other posters links and statements that really break down how bad the games ending is and how it needs to be improved. Two other guys posted some great links to articles for discussion that again prove to Bioware and EA why they need to do something about the ending.

http://www.gamefront...ns-are-right/6/

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

All he is going to do is say the same things "I get it, you don't"... "You people are childish." or anything else to get the thread moving to name calling and circular discussions about what he wants. Don't fall for it. If he thinks he is smarter than everyone else an gets this ending then good for him.

[Federelis]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Federelis wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cross429 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
never dawned on you that the very thing you spent time getting assest to build was the trigger?

Thanatos144 wrote...
Yes I did and find is absurd Shepard is to know it all before it happends......................

So it's obviously supposed to occur to you, but it's also "absurd" that it would occur to you. Troll logic is a funny brand.

Do you think calling me a troll makes your view more valid ????? I beg to differ it just shows your lack of logical stance. It is not mine of Biowares fault you cant seem to understand things expressly explained tyo you or that you dont like how the story ends...

You know the Quick Reply field at the bottom of the thread is merely an option, not an immediate demand like:
QUICK! REPLY!

You can take your time actually reading the posts, come to reasonable conclusions... or you can do your usual, skip everything until you read troll and mix a best of from your previous heavily disconnected arguments.

You might wish to read your own posts then cause you seem to lack the knowlage of what they actually say.

Yep, my very own thoughts and knowledge lay unbeknownst especially to me. Hilarious logic.

But I concur with you all, let's not feed any further the troll known as Thanatos144.

[akenn312]

Another quick thought about the ending this is just simple logic too. Why would Shepard one of the most intelligent heroes we know allow an AI that obviously came to the wrong conclusion to deal with the organic vs. synthetic issue, give it another chance to create a new solution for the entire galaxy?

Your first idea to solve this problem was a galaxy wide genocide every 50,000 years and now you want to have another chance to solve this even though I kinda solved it for you....without genocide.

Yeah, let me get back to you on that.

Modifié par akenn312, 02 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[trogwolf]

EvilMind wrote...

People who bouhgt game based on your promises and previous games feel really betrayed. And all you do is defend yourself with even more ridiculous statements... I swear every signle day I have less and less respect for you Bioware

Maybe this is why I don't get most of you people.  I never bought a game based on "your promises".  I bought Mass Effect 1 based on how good it looked at E3 and how much I liked KOTOR and how much I like Space games, in spite of the fact that I am not into FPS games.  I was not disappointed.  I bought ME 2 based on how good ME1 was and I was not disappointed.  I bought ME3 based on how good ME1 and ME2 were and I was not disappointed.  You are the people who can't enjoy movies because they don't follow the book exactly.  I can't relate to you at all.  I watch a movie to enjoy the movie, not to dissect it in comparison with the book.  I don't read developer diaries or camp out in developer forums so that later, I can behave like a woman in a bad relationship saying, "but you said ...", bringing up everything ever stated as if it was written in stone, or in this case, written in the stars, to be held accountable to when the game is over.  Hey, did you enjoy playing the game?  Did you have a chance to stop the reapers?  Did it take everything you had to give to make it happen?  Then what are you ****ing for?  It's a game.  It's not your lover.  Time to play a new game.  Get over it.

[Cambot96]

 I didnt like the ending, but i dont have a right to question your artistic endeavour; in my case the ending felt like a stab in the chest at first but it has healed with time and i wouldnt trade the other perfect 20+ hours of the game for a better last ten minutes. I bought the N7 edition of ME3 and the collectors edition of ME2, my top three games of all time are the mass effect trilogy and i dont feel betrayed or angry just a little disappointed. I will happily buy another bioware product and i think bioware needs to look at their fan base on this forum and the critics and make a choice, which is better? The ego-centric fan base on the forums which is currently filled with self entitled D-bags, or the much more qualified critiscism of a professional reviewer that isnt driven by stupid fan rage bias. Just my two pennies.

Modifié par panchovswrex, 02 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Omnike]

trogwolf wrote...

EvilMind wrote...

People who bouhgt game based on your promises and previous games feel really betrayed. And all you do is defend yourself with even more ridiculous statements... I swear every signle day I have less and less respect for you Bioware

Maybe this is why I don't get most of you people.  I never bought a game based on "your promises".  I bought Mass Effect 1 based on how good it looked at E3 and how much I liked KOTOR and how much I like Space games, in spite of the fact that I am not into FPS games.  I was not disappointed.  I bought ME 2 based on how good ME1 was and I was not disappointed.  I bought ME3 based on how good ME1 and ME2 were and I was not disappointed.  You are the people who can't enjoy movies because they don't follow the book exactly.  I can't relate to you at all.  I watch a movie to enjoy the movie, not to dissect it in comparison with the book.  I don't read developer diaries or camp out in developer forums so that later, I can behave like a woman in a bad relationship saying, "but you said ...", bringing up everything ever stated as if it was written in stone, or in this case, written in the stars, to be held accountable to when the game is over.  Hey, did you enjoy playing the game?  Did you have a chance to stop the reapers?  Did it take everything you had to give to make it happen?  Then what are you ****ing for?  It's a game.  It's not your lover.  Time to play a new game.  Get over it.

The booke to movie comparison wasn'ta very good comparison. I still enjoy movies if they aren't exact with the book. I also got Mass Effect 1 and 2 because they looked good, and the developers said that your choices would have huge consequences. Then they said there are 16 very different endings with all of your major choices making an impact. Did we get that? No. They lied. Frankly, I don't like being lied to and I don't appreciate it. So, how can't you see that we're upset?

And Bioware hasn't made an FPS game.

[jeweledleah]

panchovswrex wrote...

 I didnt like the ending, but i dont have a right to question your artistic endeavour; in my case the ending felt like a stab in the chest at first but it has healed with time and i wouldnt trade the other perfect 20+ hours of the game for a better last ten minutes. I bought the N7 edition of ME3 and the collectors edition of ME2, my top three games of all time are the mass effect trilogy and i dont feel betrayed or angry just a little disappointed. I will happily buy another bioware product and i think bioware needs to look at their fan base on this forum and the critics and make a choice, which is better? The ego-centric fan base on the forums which is currently filled with self entitled D-bags, or the much more qualified critiscism of a professional reviewer that isnt driven by stupid fan rage bias. Just my two pennies.

I'm going to ignore the insults and the whole artistic thing and focus on just one of your statements.

whom should bioware listen to.

professional reviewer who gets their games for free?

or customers who actualy pay for the privilige of playing those games and as a consequence - make more games possible?

bioware is a for profit company.  bioware designs their games to sell.  to the fans. 

just saying.

[Omnike]

jeweledleah wrote...

panchovswrex wrote...

 I didnt like the ending, but i dont have a right to question your artistic endeavour; in my case the ending felt like a stab in the chest at first but it has healed with time and i wouldnt trade the other perfect 20+ hours of the game for a better last ten minutes. I bought the N7 edition of ME3 and the collectors edition of ME2, my top three games of all time are the mass effect trilogy and i dont feel betrayed or angry just a little disappointed. I will happily buy another bioware product and i think bioware needs to look at their fan base on this forum and the critics and make a choice, which is better? The ego-centric fan base on the forums which is currently filled with self entitled D-bags, or the much more qualified critiscism of a professional reviewer that isnt driven by stupid fan rage bias. Just my two pennies.

I'm going to ignore the insults and the whole artistic thing and focus on just one of your statements.

whom should bioware listen to.

professional reviewer who gets their games for free?

or customers who actualy pay for the privilige of playing those games and as a consequence - make more games possible?

bioware is a for profit company.  bioware designs their games to sell.  to the fans. 

just saying.

And the endings (or lack thereof) have only showed us that Bioware will, in fact, lie to its consumers. You lie and you break trust. They broke my trust. And critics? You know how many of them do their job poorly? Or are paid off? I've seen critics give bad reviews to games that most of the people who bought it thought it was good. 

[garytwine]

Omnike wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

panchovswrex wrote...

 I didnt like the ending, but i dont have a right to question your artistic endeavour; in my case the ending felt like a stab in the chest at first but it has healed with time and i wouldnt trade the other perfect 20+ hours of the game for a better last ten minutes. I bought the N7 edition of ME3 and the collectors edition of ME2, my top three games of all time are the mass effect trilogy and i dont feel betrayed or angry just a little disappointed. I will happily buy another bioware product and i think bioware needs to look at their fan base on this forum and the critics and make a choice, which is better? The ego-centric fan base on the forums which is currently filled with self entitled D-bags, or the much more qualified critiscism of a professional reviewer that isnt driven by stupid fan rage bias. Just my two pennies.

I'm going to ignore the insults and the whole artistic thing and focus on just one of your statements.

whom should bioware listen to.

professional reviewer who gets their games for free?

or customers who actualy pay for the privilige of playing those games and as a consequence - make more games possible?

bioware is a for profit company.  bioware designs their games to sell.  to the fans. 

just saying.

And the endings (or lack thereof) have only showed us that Bioware will, in fact, lie to its consumers. You lie and you break trust. They broke my trust. And critics? You know how many of them do their job poorly? Or are paid off? I've seen critics give bad reviews to games that most of the people who bought it thought it was good. 

Well, to a degree I think you're right. Despite what a companies core values are (they are usually quite moral) there will always be individuals that will conveniently forget them and twist the truth in order by bypass a situation or place someone else in the firing line.

In regards to Bioware, deep down, I don't think they lied. They may have intended initially to do everything they said they would. But then other people get involved. The more opinions and the more complex it gets. The more they have to capitulate. Suddenly its about saving face or doing what your boss tells you to, and we, the customers, despite their best intents of wanting to listen and react to our wishes, is forgotten in the crowd.

At least, thats what I hope, as opposed to them outright lying. However, the result is the same. The lack of trust. Its something that, once broken can take a long time to build again.

[Omnike]

garytwine wrote...

Omnike wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

panchovswrex wrote...

 I didnt like the ending, but i dont have a right to question your artistic endeavour; in my case the ending felt like a stab in the chest at first but it has healed with time and i wouldnt trade the other perfect 20+ hours of the game for a better last ten minutes. I bought the N7 edition of ME3 and the collectors edition of ME2, my top three games of all time are the mass effect trilogy and i dont feel betrayed or angry just a little disappointed. I will happily buy another bioware product and i think bioware needs to look at their fan base on this forum and the critics and make a choice, which is better? The ego-centric fan base on the forums which is currently filled with self entitled D-bags, or the much more qualified critiscism of a professional reviewer that isnt driven by stupid fan rage bias. Just my two pennies.

I'm going to ignore the insults and the whole artistic thing and focus on just one of your statements.

whom should bioware listen to.

professional reviewer who gets their games for free?

or customers who actualy pay for the privilige of playing those games and as a consequence - make more games possible?

bioware is a for profit company.  bioware designs their games to sell.  to the fans. 

just saying.

And the endings (or lack thereof) have only showed us that Bioware will, in fact, lie to its consumers. You lie and you break trust. They broke my trust. And critics? You know how many of them do their job poorly? Or are paid off? I've seen critics give bad reviews to games that most of the people who bought it thought it was good. 

Well, to a degree I think you're right. Despite what a companies core values are (they are usually quite moral) there will always be individuals that will conveniently forget them and twist the truth in order by bypass a situation or place someone else in the firing line.

In regards to Bioware, deep down, I don't think they lied. They may have intended initially to do everything they said they would. But then other people get involved. The more opinions and the more complex it gets. The more they have to capitulate. Suddenly its about saving face or doing what your boss tells you to, and we, the customers, despite their best intents of wanting to listen and react to our wishes, is forgotten in the crowd.

At least, thats what I hope, as opposed to them outright lying. However, the result is the same. The lack of trust. Its something that, once broken can take a long time to build again.

I think if they had said something along the lines of "We had to change it due to lack of time" or something, I would have been much better with it. However, they weren't even like "we're considering making 16 endings". They came out and said "Can you imagine if it didn't have vastly different endings?" That, to me, leaves no room for interpretation. 

[omnilord1]

i find it funny how allot of people are complaining how everything they done throughout the games doesn't add up in the ending... instead, what happens is that all your choices add up during the game. but still the ending is a bummer. i also think the "dissmissed" claim bout DLC called "the truth" is a good idea, to bad it was "dismissed" XD

[garytwine]

Omnike wrote...

"I think if they had said something along the lines of "We had to change it due to lack of time" or something, I would have been much better with it. However, they weren't even like "we're considering making 16 endings". They came out and said "Can you imagine if it didn't have vastly different endings?" That, to me, leaves no room for interpretation. "

That's a good point. I don't think we'll ever find out the truth. We will just be left wondering.

Modifié par garytwine, 02 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[DJCaptainPicard]

Exerpt from this link: http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Imagine Frodo, dangling the One Ring, over the fiery chasm of Mt. Doom. He turns, and says, “The Ring is Mine!” and slips the One Ring onto his finger.
Suddenly he’s whisked into a universe contained inside the One Ring, an entire world trapped in the essence of the ring. He meets the Keeper of the Ring, an ethereal spirit who has dwelled within the ring since its creation and now Frodo must make the ultimate sacrifice. He has to become the ring, in order to destroy it.
How many people in the theater, watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, would have stood up and said: “What the f*ck is this sh*t?”

[DarkFaerie316]

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

Exerpt from this link: http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Imagine Frodo, dangling the One Ring, over the fiery chasm of Mt. Doom. He turns, and says, “The Ring is Mine!” and slips the One Ring onto his finger.
Suddenly he’s whisked into a universe contained inside the One Ring, an entire world trapped in the essence of the ring. He meets the Keeper of the Ring, an ethereal spirit who has dwelled within the ring since its creation and now Frodo must make the ultimate sacrifice. He has to become the ring, in order to destroy it.
How many people in the theater, watching the Lord of the Rings trilogy, would have stood up and said: “What the f*ck is this sh*t?”

I like this lol