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[Lordambitious]

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

ahjee. :-/

402 cupcakes. green red and blue diabeetus

No matter which color diabeetus, you pick it still ends the same! 

[Whapa]

I'm just sad that the only thing I've been able to play after finishing it is the multi-player (surprisingly decent for what it is) but come on, a SP oriented game and I'm only playing the MP? This means it will just end up like all the other MP games I play.... 30 hrs later, never played again. Honestly sad to think that based on what is said on the 6th will determine if the game is played at all anymore, and if Bioware collects anything from my wallet again.

[L0tech]

Really pretty heartbroken here, Bio. I just finished the game yesterday, KNOWING that there was a big negative buzz about the ending, and being fairly prepped for it, or so I thought. Dark, depressing, or anti-good-guy-gets-the-girl (though yeah, that IS what I deserved, being such a paragon and all) I was ready for. This was just half-assed. Questions were not answered, entire races were stranded, the alliances I made, problems I solved, and friendships I fought for gave no advantage or extension of my story. My choices were not reflected, hell, my final "choice" didn't DO anything. A player who was a complete ass to everyone they met got the same damn ending. I've honestly never played a game that made me want to go play Deus Ex: Invisible War before. At least 3 crappy endings got me 3 completely DIFFERENT nonsensical, unfulfilling results.

Story wise, you somehow left me with the feeling that it would have been better if the reapers won, my alliance had been annihilated and some new cycle would be able to experience galaxy travel and other wondrous races. How the hell did you do that, and why?

I really feel bad being so hard on you guys. 40 hrs (more like 120 with ME1 & 2) of gameplay before the end was the most fun I've ever had in an RPG game. I got chills when the Quarian/geth/turian/krogan/salarian/asari/batarian/human fleet I had amassed jumped into the Sol system together. My heart broke, and simultaneously steeled when my gal Tali (stock photo and all) wished for more time with me. Dodging Harbinger's blasts racing towards the beam, I felt a rush like no other game had ever given me before. As Tali stepped off the Normandy's broken shell with Garrus, my only response was... "Huh? Did they really just do that?"

I wish that my Xbox had RROD'd just as that beam of light took me to the citadel. A Sopranos ending would haver made me happier. I wish I could say that 20 minutes of "eh, whatever" on your part didn't diminish the experience. But it did.

Please just say "APRIL FOOOLS!".

Modifié par L0tech, 03 avril 2012 - 02:03 .

[knection]

Lordambitious wrote...

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

ahjee. :-/

402 cupcakes. green red and blue diabeetus

No matter which color diabeetus, you pick it still ends the same! 

word

[KitaSaturnyne]

Even after all the fans have expressed, I still fear that any changes to the ending will simply reveal some text that tells us what happened, or that the ending is just that everyone was destroyed. Which, as you know, is the exact opposite of what we've wanted to acheive for the entire trilogy.

Am I also the only one who doesn't think of Shepard's final action as a sacrifice? It just felt to me that I was being told "You can do A, B, or C. Oh, and you'll die when you do it". Sacrifices usually involve giving up something precious for the greater good. None of these choices feels like that. It's just Shepard dying so something can happen. At least, to me it is.

[chevyguy87]

Cerberus was way too overused in ME3. Almost every priority mission had those sons of bitc*** interrupting. I always hated Cerberus since ME1 but fighting them in almost every mission got on my nerves a little. To the point where I wish we could've gotten rid of Cerberus once and for all towards the midway point. I say that because it was just getting too drawn out predictable and boring. It would've been awesome to blow up Cronos Station after their botched attack on the Citadel. Then provide full focus and attention on the Reapers (werent they the REAL enemy to begin with anyway?)

If Bioware does release decent DLC content that focuses on the Reapers and not Cerberus, I would be interested in seeing it.

Modifié par chevyguy87, 03 avril 2012 - 02:07 .

[Archonsg]

Choice 1) You have to die. But you have control of the reapers, and you loose everything that you are. Okaaaayyyyy. Dead. Loose everything that makes you, well you. And why would you care if you are no longer "Shepard" or control anything since you are like dead?

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help. You all get to die now, thanks for coming by.

Choice 3) Synthesis. So Shepard dies so that everyone gets a generic DNA over-write. Okayyyyss...so every living being becomes one race. That would solve conflicts. Never mind different ideological differences. We all become "human" so to speak, and miraculously all hostilities stop. Riiighhht.

Those ARE your three choices.
And blowing up the Galaxy in the end. Everyone dies.

Modifié par Archonsg, 03 avril 2012 - 02:12 .

[JackLaVaporiera]

trogwolf wrote...

EvilMind wrote...

People who bouhgt game based on your promises and previous games feel really betrayed. And all you do is defend yourself with even more ridiculous statements... I swear every signle day I have less and less respect for you Bioware

Maybe this is why I don't get most of you people.  I never bought a game based on "your promises".  I bought Mass Effect 1 based on how good it looked at E3 and how much I liked KOTOR and how much I like Space games, in spite of the fact that I am not into FPS games.  I was not disappointed.  I bought ME 2 based on how good ME1 was and I was not disappointed.  I bought ME3 based on how good ME1 and ME2 were and I was not disappointed.  You are the people who can't enjoy movies because they don't follow the book exactly.  I can't relate to you at all.  I watch a movie to enjoy the movie, not to dissect it in comparison with the book.  I don't read developer diaries or camp out in developer forums so that later, I can behave like a woman in a bad relationship saying, "but you said ...", bringing up everything ever stated as if it was written in stone, or in this case, written in the stars, to be held accountable to when the game is over.  Hey, did you enjoy playing the game?  Did you have a chance to stop the reapers?  Did it take everything you had to give to make it happen?  Then what are you ****ing for?  It's a game.  It's not your lover.  Time to play a new game.  Get over it.

Who knows ?

That's one of the points...

..and NO, it's like reading a book with tens of missing pages at the end of the final chapter and NOT EVEN AN EPILOGUE.

Try to enjoy yourself if you like that kind of things but don't push to have all of us seeing the same way.

[L0tech]

BTW, after watching ACAVYOS' vid, I want to believe in the indoctrination theory (and with Shepard's breath, almost do) and that the story's not finished yet. As ridiculously slimy as this would be, assuming paid DLC, I honestly prefer it to the "we got your $$ ****es, we don' care." that I took away from the "official" ending.

I'll admit that it IS interesting that Tali stepped off the Normandy. She was vaporized along with EDI when we charged the beam. I've heard others say that Ashley got off the ship... is it always your LI, or always one of your doomed comrades?

Modifié par L0tech, 03 avril 2012 - 02:23 .

[Kamuchi]

Archonsg wrote...

Choice 1) You have to die. But you have control of the reapers, and you loose everything that you are. Okaaaayyyyy. Dead. Loose everything that makes you, well you. And why would you care if you are no longer "Shepard" or control anything since you are like dead?

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help.

Choice 3) Synthesis. So Shepard dies so that everyone gets a generic DNA over-write. Okayyyyss...so living being becomes one race. That would solve conflicts. Never mind different ideological differences. We all become "human" so to speak, and miraculously all hostilities stop. Riiighhht.

Those ARE your three choices.
And blowing up the Galaxy in the end. Everyone dies.

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

[sfam]

For the entire 3 games of Mass Effect, the whole purpose of the gameplay is "Stop the Reapers" or "Break the cycle". In the last 5 minutes, with only 14 lines of dialogue, the entire purpose of the series over 3 games is magically changed to "omnipotent being cogitating over problems with machines and organic life living together".

The question is why? Wasn't the rather clear and straightforward rationale over 3 awesome games which we all loved good enough for the last 5 minutes? If not, why not? Really, why deviate so completely?

More to the point, why would you ever think your fans who both truly love the story AND characters would buy this radical change? Worse, you completely left out the reason most of us care for the series - the characters. There is no resolution with any of them, nor can there be with such a radical shift in the underlying purpose of the series.

Bottom line, the only real resolution is to apologize and remove the star child. We'll happily take a do-over on your part - one which is true to the goal of the series over 3 games. You want to kill everyone for artistic freedom? Fine, but do it in the context of the narrative you established over 3 awesome games - and actually show everyone dying...or not.

Modifié par sfam, 03 avril 2012 - 02:44 .

[Mbednar]

Kamuchi wrote...

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

Don't worry.

The magically transported everyone back to their planet of origin just in the nick of time.

And the also magically shielded all of the planets from the supernova.

[devwild]

Archonsg wrote...

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help. You all get to die now, thanks for coming by.

I honestly believe that this is either a flat out screw-up in the writing or Shepard is more cybernetic than we were lead to believe (though they certainly posit the question a few times). Unless you got the bad ending where people burn too, the implication is just that the wave wipes out synthetic intelligence (the processing construct shown during the geth story), not machines in general. Note that the reapers basically just collapse in this ending.

[Kamuchi]

Mbednar wrote...

Kamuchi wrote...

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

Don't worry.

The magically transported everyone back to their planet of origin just in the nick of time.

And the also magically shielded all of the planets from the supernova.

I`m sorry, forgot about the majic
The same magic that transported your squad mates that were running to their deaths with you 
magically  appear on the Normandy crashing to safety on a remote planet after Joker saw you get bbq`ed and decided he`d be safer off being chased by the shockwave of an exploding mass relay then stick with his war buddies still fighting the Reapers abouve earth, for another 10 minutes till the planet was whipes away

makes sense again, thanks 

[jeweledleah]

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

[Kamuchi]

Don`t forget when going to or from the command center on the Normandy, you are scanned...

Damn was that annoying

It`s my ship
Sorry mam, you need to be scanned
*go back*
I just came trough!
Sorry mam, you must be scanned!
*ack!*
Why scan again?
Sorry mam, we are in space 1000 light years from any where, you could have been modified!
I just came trough 2 minutes ago?
Sorry mam, you must be scanned
Why?
No running in the hall, and we are useless otherwise

Modifié par Kamuchi, 03 avril 2012 - 03:15 .

[Archonsg]

Kamuchi wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Choice 1) You have to die. But you have control of the reapers, and you loose everything that you are. Okaaaayyyyy. Dead. Loose everything that makes you, well you. And why would you care if you are no longer "Shepard" or control anything since you are like dead?

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help.

Choice 3) Synthesis. So Shepard dies so that everyone gets a generic DNA over-write. Okayyyyss...so living being becomes one race. That would solve conflicts. Never mind different ideological differences. We all become "human" so to speak, and miraculously all hostilities stop. Riiighhht.

Those ARE your three choices.
And blowing up the Galaxy in the end. Everyone dies.

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

 
Actually, a Relay that explodes on its own is in theory more powerful then when one is damaged and has its contained energy discharged.
Why exploding Relays = Dead Galaxy

This is of course theoretical physics but, as best as I can figure, its sound, based on real world physics and kinetic/momentum energy transfer and dissipation. (sorry if it reads like a lecture though, tried to keep it simple.)

Its one of the things that really irks me in the ending. Micheal Bay would have been proud though, or Uwe Boll for that matter.

[Kamuchi]

Wich defies the entire reasoning behind saving the galaxy to start with, just pull the trigger your self and let the next cycle figure it out, lol

Unless it`s the indoctrination and your safe and fried back on early and magically saved the galaxy from the Reapers, lol?

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Kamuchi wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Choice 1) You have to die. But you have control of the reapers, and you loose everything that you are. Okaaaayyyyy. Dead. Loose everything that makes you, well you. And why would you care if you are no longer "Shepard" or control anything since you are like dead?

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help.

Choice 3) Synthesis. So Shepard dies so that everyone gets a generic DNA over-write. Okayyyyss...so living being becomes one race. That would solve conflicts. Never mind different ideological differences. We all become "human" so to speak, and miraculously all hostilities stop. Riiighhht.

Those ARE your three choices.
And blowing up the Galaxy in the end. Everyone dies.

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

 
Actually, a Relay that explodes on its own is in theory more powerful then when one is damaged and has its contained energy discharged.
Why exploding Relays = Dead Galaxy

This is of course theoretical physics but, as best as I can figure, its sound, based on real world physics and kinetic/momentum energy transfer and dissipation. (sorry if it reads like a lecture though, tried to keep it simple.)

Its one of the things that really irks me in the ending. Micheal Bay would have been proud though, or Uwe Boll for that matter.

It is a fictional story........................

[jeweledleah]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2012 - 03:39 .

[Archonsg]

Kamuchi wrote...

Wich defies the entire reasoning behind saving the galaxy to start with, just pull the trigger your self and let the next cycle figure it out, lol

Unless it`s the indoctrination and your safe and fried back on early and magically saved the galaxy from the Reapers, lol?

I personally do not subscribe to IT, but if Bioware wants to still keep and use the already much ridiculed ending, IT is a way out for them.

Only if they add a fourth choice to the three we already have. That is to say to the star-child holo to go take a long walk off a short pier.

Why? Because acceptance of ANY of the three choices given by the AI means you are accepting the AI's will. Remember sovereign's remark to you? "You live because we allow it, you will end because we demand it." and quite frankly, if you can't see that accepting any three demands that the AI makes of you represents the full surrender of your will.

I prefer that Bioware man's up and say, "Yeah, we fracked up full time and FUBAR an ending that should haven been the icing on the cake called ME3.

I prefered if they just retcon that ending and rewrite everything from London onwards to reflect what the past 2.9 games have been building up and stayed true to.

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

It didnt break the rules. tthe relay shepard destroys is destroyed by blowing up.....The others looked to impload. Diffeent kind of explosion.  See how easly explained that is? as for the DNA and the tech in Shep they did say she was cutting edge tech. Oh and another simple point ......Only shepard made it to the catalyst.......

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Kamuchi wrote...

Wich defies the entire reasoning behind saving the galaxy to start with, just pull the trigger your self and let the next cycle figure it out, lol

Unless it`s the indoctrination and your safe and fried back on early and magically saved the galaxy from the Reapers, lol?

I personally do not subscribe to IT, but if Bioware wants to still keep and use the already much ridiculed ending, IT is a way out for them.

Only if they add a fourth choice to the three we already have. That is to say to the star-child holo to go take a long walk off a short pier.

Why? Because acceptance of ANY of the three choices given by the AI means you are accepting the AI's will. Remember sovereign's remark to you? "You live because we allow it, you will end because we demand it." and quite frankly, if you can't see that accepting any three demands that the AI makes of you represents the full surrender of your will.

I prefer that Bioware man's up and say, "Yeah, we fracked up full time and FUBAR an ending that should haven been the icing on the cake called ME3.

I prefered if they just retcon that ending and rewrite everything from London onwards to reflect what the past 2.9 games have been building up and stayed true to.

You think there should be a cowards choice? In order to live Shepard should allow all to die?

[jeweledleah]

Archonsg wrote...

Kamuchi wrote...

Wich defies the entire reasoning behind saving the galaxy to start with, just pull the trigger your self and let the next cycle figure it out, lol

Unless it`s the indoctrination and your safe and fried back on early and magically saved the galaxy from the Reapers, lol?

I personally do not subscribe to IT, but if Bioware wants to still keep and use the already much ridiculed ending, IT is a way out for them.

Only if they add a fourth choice to the three we already have. That is to say to the star-child holo to go take a long walk off a short pier.

Why? Because acceptance of ANY of the three choices given by the AI means you are accepting the AI's will. Remember sovereign's remark to you? "You live because we allow it, you will end because we demand it." and quite frankly, if you can't see that accepting any three demands that the AI makes of you represents the full surrender of your will.

I prefer that Bioware man's up and say, "Yeah, we fracked up full time and FUBAR an ending that should haven been the icing on the cake called ME3.

I prefered if they just retcon that ending and rewrite everything from London onwards to reflect what the past 2.9 games have been building up and stayed true to.

that would be ideal, yes.  I would pay for it too.  I would still like to keep conversations with the crew though, cause those were great.