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[chachzilla]

 I too want to start by commending the good people at Bioware for creating the most engaging gaming experience and managing to do so across three games. That's an incredible feat. 

I don't think I hated the ending as much as many, but I have my gripes. My main issue was that it was very impersonal to me. I spent over 100 hours with these characters in this world and all I get (after making my final desicion) is a minute of cut scenes that are mostly the same no matter what you've done throughout the game or what ending you chose. That sucks.

I would have liked to get to see my teammates fighting (Wrex and Grunt ripping through Cannibals, Liara taking down a Banshee with her biotics, Kasumi being stealthy to take down some Marauders, Jack and her students protecting civilians with a barrier, etc). All I got was a generic shot of Alliance soldiers fighting then the reapers getting destroyed (or flying away).

Also, I ran to the beam at the end and the Destroyer attackd and I was left wondering what happened to my squadmates until I saw them walk out of the Normandy in the end (how they got there, we may never know). When I make my final desicion, I saw a shot of Joker, Anderson, and Liara. These characters seemed random. You would think Shepard would first see his love interest (Tali, for me) and maybe his favorite/most used squadmate (Ashley and Tali for me). 

There does need to be more of an epilogue too. I have read a lot about what some call the Indoctrination Theory. This actually makes a lot of sense given what happens in the end. Maybe no matter what Shepard was destined to do what the Reapers wanted. That's fine, just say so. 

I'm also a bit annoyed that I never get to see Tali's face (your poorly photoshoped image doesn't count). Shepard and her could have very easily gotten together in one of those clean-rooms on a ship in the Migrant Fleet. 

All in all I loved all the games. We all did, that's why we expected so much from the ending of the series. I personally have never invested so much time into a fictional world/story. Thanks for making great games. 

*Favorite moment of ME3 is probably the Thrasher Maw destroying a Reaper or killing the Reaper on Rannoch. 

Modifié par chachzilla, 03 avril 2012 - 03:55 .

[jeweledleah]

chachzilla wrote...

Also, I ran to the beam at the end and the Destroyer attackd and I was left wondering what happened to my squadmates until I saw them walk out of the Normandy in the end (how they got there, we may never know). When I make my final desicion, I saw a shot of Joker, Anderson, and Liara. These characters seemed random. You would think Shepard would first see his love interest (Tali, for me) and maybe his favorite/most used squadmate (Ashley and Tali for me). 

its not random.  its your father figure - Anderson, enforced best friend - Joker and unless you romanced VS (in whihc case you get Ashley or Kaidan) - Liara.  just another sign of rushed job (I don't want to accuse Bioware of laziness)

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Kamuchi wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Choice 1) You have to die. But you have control of the reapers, and you loose everything that you are. Okaaaayyyyy. Dead. Loose everything that makes you, well you. And why would you care if you are no longer "Shepard" or control anything since you are like dead?

Choice 2) Destroy all Synthetics. Including yourself, since part of the reason you are alive is synthetic cybernetic parts. Soooooo...this means all tech gets destroyed right. Including machinery, like oh, ships, life support and anything with a chip in it. So, all those ships up in orbit, kaboom right? Biggest backstab in galactic history, sorry Geths, Quarians, ...everyone who came to help.

Choice 3) Synthesis. So Shepard dies so that everyone gets a generic DNA over-write. Okayyyyss...so living being becomes one race. That would solve conflicts. Never mind different ideological differences. We all become "human" so to speak, and miraculously all hostilities stop. Riiighhht.

Those ARE your three choices.
And blowing up the Galaxy in the end. Everyone dies.

Incoming transmition to fleet....

We did it, we beat the reapers and they are dead, Yay!
Please be advised that i had to destroy all the mass relays to do so and you are now stuck on a dead planet with no way to get home in your life time.

Ps: Exploding mass relay resembles a supernova, don`t bother going anywhere

 
Actually, a Relay that explodes on its own is in theory more powerful then when one is damaged and has its contained energy discharged.
Why exploding Relays = Dead Galaxy

This is of course theoretical physics but, as best as I can figure, its sound, based on real world physics and kinetic/momentum energy transfer and dissipation. (sorry if it reads like a lecture though, tried to keep it simple.)

Its one of the things that really irks me in the ending. Micheal Bay would have been proud though, or Uwe Boll for that matter.

It is a fictional story........................

Based on fictional physics, yes. But still has rules based on that fiction. That is why its SCIENCE FICTION, and not Fantasy.

Mass Effect IS Hard Science Fiction as evidenced by its codex. They made a point to plausibly explain everything, WITHIN REASON.

Even so, Bioware made it a point to remind us that physics do indeed play a huge part in the Mass Effect universe. Hence the rather famous line "Issac Newton is the deadliest SOB in space..."

[Chrislo1990]

I too am very worried that Bioware wil only release dlc that attempt to further clarifiy the ending, not change it. If this is the case, then I will continue to hold the line. Bioware needs to understand that the current endings are simply not salvageable. They conflict with established concepts and make absolutely no sense. Any sort of clarification will make the ednigs even more farfetched than they alrealdy are. Now the only way I can see them preserving the endings is if they incorporate the indoctrination theory. That way they can negate the endings without using the axe.

Now I know the indoctrination theory has it's flaws. In fact it was never Bioware's intention to incorporate it post-release. If memory serves me right Casey Hudson and Mac Walters has planned on ending the trilogy with speculation in the first place!

I don't know guys it seems like Bioware just wanted to force in this ending because they simply ran out of time. If this were the case I don't see why they couldn't have negotiated with EA fore more time and push back the release date. I'm sure Casey could have convinced the execs that in order to deliver a high quality product that lived up to the Bioware standard product they would need more time to perfect the ending.

I just have this feeling in my stomach that our fight to have the endings changed will not be an easy one...or a short one for that matter  

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 03 avril 2012 - 03:57 .

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

It didnt break the rules. tthe relay shepard destroys is destroyed by blowing up.....The others looked to impload. Diffeent kind of explosion.  See how easly explained that is? as for the DNA and the tech in Shep they did say she was cutting edge tech. Oh and another simple point ......Only shepard made it to the catalyst.......

Nope. Implosions happens when kinetic/momentum force is applied uniformly from the outside causing structures (or people) to violently collapse inwards. Hence the term, "implosion".


 
The Relays clearly exploded.

Modifié par Archonsg, 03 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

It didnt break the rules. tthe relay shepard destroys is destroyed by blowing up.....The others looked to impload. Diffeent kind of explosion.  See how easly explained that is? as for the DNA and the tech in Shep they did say she was cutting edge tech. Oh and another simple point ......Only shepard made it to the catalyst.......

Nope. Implosions happens when kinetic/momentum force is applied uniformly from the outside causing structures (or people) to violently collapse inwards. Hence the term, "implosion".


 
The Relays clearly exploded.

Realy? Seems to me they imploded.......Aslo it sems to be they were taken down from the inside and not by a outside force....Sort of like a self destruct. 

[Archonsg]

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

[Alrendar]

Just a question to everyone out there. What are the chances of the new ending being released on PAX east 3 days from now?

[jeweledleah]

Alrendar wrote...

Just a question to everyone out there. What are the chances of the new ending being released on PAX east 3 days from now?

0.0001%

chances of new endings being announced?  about 50%  the other 50% is announcement of the "epilogue" DLC that will essentialy give us text or stills with text, telling what happened to people Shepard left behind.

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

Maybe your right.......Of course it could still be a comgtroled explosion......Oh sorry cant use normal logic...........




By the way I honestly think they blown in on itself......Looking for vid now to see.


your right clearly there is a shockwave......So the only way they can explain it is controled explosion......They might need to clear that up a bit.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 03 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[Chrislo1990]

Well it hasn't actually been officially announced that they will even talk about the endings at PAX. They've only mentioned they will discuss future dlc for Mass Effect 3. We're all hoping this included the new endings dlc that we so eagerly want.

Now even if Bioware announces the new endings dlc, it'll take time to develop. So maybe they'll be ready in a couple of months, perhaps June? I don't know much about the development process to be honest.

But like Jeweldleah said, perhaps all they announce is some sort of clarification content, essentially preserving the current ending but perhaps adding a little it of text here and alittle bit of cinematics there. Who knows.....

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 03 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

It didnt break the rules. tthe relay shepard destroys is destroyed by blowing up.....The others looked to impload. Diffeent kind of explosion.  See how easly explained that is? as for the DNA and the tech in Shep they did say she was cutting edge tech. Oh and another simple point ......Only shepard made it to the catalyst.......

Nope. Implosions happens when kinetic/momentum force is applied uniformly from the outside causing structures (or people) to violently collapse inwards. Hence the term, "implosion".


 
The Relays clearly exploded.

Realy? Seems to me they imploded.......Aslo it sems to be they were taken down from the inside and not by a outside force....Sort of like a self destruct. 

Common mistake.

This is what an implosion looks like.

Youtube Vid "What is an implosion"

As you can see, stuff that implodes gets "squished" inwards. Explosions are when things are violently gets push outwards, away from centre of mass.

You copy that?

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

when you first meet Aria on Omega, she has Shepard scanned. its still Shepard. then you go to the Citadel (or you could potentially go to Citadel first) and you are scanned there.. and also confirmed as Shepard. and Citadel scanner is so good, it can detect even tiniest modifications to DNA. Miranda assures you, that you were brought back.. just as you were.

in ME3, every single time you go to spectre office, it scans Shepard for authenticity. Dr. Chakwas scans Shepard to make sure implants are not being rejected. EDI tells Shepard that brain functions are fully organic.

the ctalyst, doesn't just contradict the previous games, he contradicts the very last one as well.

but fine, lets say, that wave disables cybernetics. Shepard is not the only person to use implants. in fact certain modifications are military standard. not only that - do you imagine people don't use things like defibrillators and such? what about biotic implants? imagine of those are disabled?

I'm guessing, they didn't think that one through.

Who said there wasnt synthetic parts in shepard?????? Your saying they scan dna and that means no part of her can be a implanted synthetic? I think your pulling at straws here.

sigh.  reading comprehension FTW?  one thing I'll give you, you don't give up.

if Shepard has to die in destroy ending becasue it disables all tech?  then its becasue it disables Shepard's implants.  which is WHY I posed a question about OTHER people who may also have life saving implants.  tech wasn't invented for Shepard alone, you know.  moreover.  it basicaly invalidates the premice behind synthesis ending, seeing as Shepard is STILL just a human, with human DNA.

who's pulling at straws here exactly?

P.S.  fictional story doesn't mean it can break the rules it set for itself.  casue that = bad writing.

It didnt break the rules. tthe relay shepard destroys is destroyed by blowing up.....The others looked to impload. Diffeent kind of explosion.  See how easly explained that is? as for the DNA and the tech in Shep they did say she was cutting edge tech. Oh and another simple point ......Only shepard made it to the catalyst.......

Nope. Implosions happens when kinetic/momentum force is applied uniformly from the outside causing structures (or people) to violently collapse inwards. Hence the term, "implosion".


 
The Relays clearly exploded.

Realy? Seems to me they imploded.......Aslo it sems to be they were taken down from the inside and not by a outside force....Sort of like a self destruct. 

Common mistake.

This is what an implosion looks like.

Youtube Vid "What is an implosion"

As you can see, stuff that implodes gets "squished" inwards. Explosions are when things are violently gets push outwards, away from centre of mass.

You copy that?

read the next post after that one

[ccracer]

I'm not sure if what I'm going to say is all completely redundant but I would like to say my piece anyways.

I was a die hard C&C fan since the day I could remember. I wasn't sure if I would ever get that out of my head. Then I was introduced to Mass Effect. It captured me and brought me into a different way of playing games. I feel in love with the friends and romances I had developed with the characters in the game. I played all the different way and choices to get the whole scope of the games potential. I was pleased.

Then came Mass Effect 2. Again was brought deeper into the story line and was happy with the way it was going.

Then the bomb shell.
The countless hours people spent making there Shepard just the way they wanted. The romance and friends they wanted. ......
All the choice we made and all we did to make things survive for what......
Nothing.
What good is it for any DLC's. Nothing is going to matter. I have the collectors Editions on ME2 and ME3 including the Strategy Guides. I even have ME merchandise. I think we all put to much faith that this was going to be a good ending to a great series. You guys did great out the door but just couldn't reach that line. A shame it is to see something you know could have been great was out with the tide. This really took the wind out of my sails for the anticipation of the movie for this series. If this is the choice this game ends then I will make Shepard's last choice of his service.

Selling what I have for the best price I can get. With hopes I can recover at least some cash. The time I can never replace. Really sad I would say. It had great potential. I don't like many games. It really was disheartening to get to the ending with all our choice was door number 1 2 or 3. There all the same thing you open them up and guess what you get nothing.

Bioware is this really how your going to let this game go.
I'm going to put one last faith in your company to do something for your loyal ME fans.


I hope you don't let us down......... This not how this journey is supposed to end.

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

Maybe your right.......Of course it could still be a comgtroled explosion......Oh sorry cant use normal logic...........




By the way I honestly think they blown in on itself......Looking for vid now to see.


your right clearly there is a shockwave......So the only way they can explain it is controled explosion......They might need to clear that up a bit.

I thought about that too. But the problem is, explosions themselves have certain rules of physics that they must follow.

Easier way to envision this is to first figure how strong the item you want blown apart. Say a wooden box for example. Say you need 1000 Newton's per square centimeter for this box to explode. Anything less, and the box cracks, breaks but not explode. If you apply 1500 Newton's of force, you'll get a larger explosion. But regardless you must have that minimal 1000 Newton's to have that box explode.

ME1 established that the Mu Relay took a direct hit from a Super Nova which destroyed the system it was in and all that super nova did was pushed it away so far from its original position, it was considered lost. Kinda like flicking really hard with your finger at a metal teaspoon. All your flicking (super nova) did was fling the teapoon (Relay) across the room (space) undamaged.

So, if a Relay can take a Super Nova (finger flick) and is left undamaged, to get that Relay (spoon) to explode requires a significantly stronger force then a Super Nova strength shockwave.


 
 

Modifié par Archonsg, 03 avril 2012 - 05:02 .

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

Maybe your right.......Of course it could still be a comgtroled explosion......Oh sorry cant use normal logic...........




By the way I honestly think they blown in on itself......Looking for vid now to see.


your right clearly there is a shockwave......So the only way they can explain it is controled explosion......They might need to clear that up a bit.

I thought about that too. But the problem is, explosions themselves have certain rules of physics that they must follow.

Easier way to envision this is to first figure how strong the item you want blown apart. Say a wooden box for example. Say you need 1000 Newton's per square centimeter for this box to explode. Anything less, and the box cracks, breaks but not explode. If you apply 1500 Newton's of force, you'll get a larger explosion. But regardless you must have that minimal 1000 Newton's to have that box explode.

ME1 established that the Mu Relay took a direct hit from a Super Nova which destroyed the system it was in and all that super nova did was pushed it away so far from its original position, it was considered lost. Kinda like flicking really hard with your finger at a metal teaspoon. All your flicking (super nova) did was fling the teapoon (Relay) across the room (space) undamaged.

So, if a Relay can take a Super Nova (finger flick) and is left undamaged, to get that Relay (spoon) to explode requires a significantly stronger force then a Super Nova strength shockwave to make a relay explode.


 
 

I dont think so....I mean they can be made dormant before blowing up...or a multitude of  things....I will admit that it needs to be clarfied though... they dont need to mae it a big deal so something in the codex would help.

[Chrislo1990]

ccracer wrote...

I'm not sure if what I'm going to say is all completely redundant but I would like to say my piece anyways.

I was a die hard C&C fan since the day I could remember. I wasn't sure if I would ever get that out of my head. Then I was introduced to Mass Effect. It captured me and brought me into a different way of playing games. I feel in love with the friends and romances I had developed with the characters in the game. I played all the different way and choices to get the whole scope of the games potential. I was pleased.

Then came Mass Effect 2. Again was brought deeper into the story line and was happy with the way it was going.

Then the bomb shell.
The countless hours people spent making there Shepard just the way they wanted. The romance and friends they wanted. ......
All the choice we made and all we did to make things survive for what......
Nothing.
What good is it for any DLC's. Nothing is going to matter. I have the collectors Editions on ME2 and ME3 including the Strategy Guides. I even have ME merchandise. I think we all put to much faith that this was going to be a good ending to a great series. You guys did great out the door but just couldn't reach that line. A shame it is to see something you know could have been great was out with the tide. This really took the wind out of my sails for the anticipation of the movie for this series. If this is the choice this game ends then I will make Shepard's last choice of his service.

Selling what I have for the best price I can get. With hopes I can recover at least some cash. The time I can never replace. Really sad I would say. It had great potential. I don't like many games. It really was disheartening to get to the ending with all our choice was door number 1 2 or 3. There all the same thing you open them up and guess what you get nothing.

Bioware is this really how your going to let this game go.
I'm going to put one last faith in your company to do something for your loyal ME fans.


I hope you don't let us down......... This not how this journey is supposed to end.

I know how you feel, but don't give up yet. Hold the line and continue requesting a better ending that actually considers your past decions, moral inclinations, reputation and so and so forth. Like you I love this franchise so much. It is very dear to me. I sincerely hope Bioware does the right thing and change the ending, but right now I they've lost my trust.

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 03 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[DxWill103]

I wish Harbinger and the reapers had the main spot light as the villains instead of cerberus (Silly me for thinking the Reapers would be the main antagonist in the conclusion of the ME series) The final confrontation with TIM was enticing, but felt too much like a Saren clone.

I doubt many would disagree that a final (and verbal? No dialogue with Harbinger in any way? A 2 minute dialogue with a random reaper destroyer was not NEARLY enough ) confrontation with Harbinger would have been much more satisfying and closing ending to a great series.

[Thanatos144]

DxWill103 wrote...

I wish Harbinger and the reapers had the main spot light as the villains instead of cerberus (Silly me for thinking the Reapers would be the main antagonist in the conclusion of the ME series) The final confrontation with TIM was enticing, but felt too much like a Saren clone.

I doubt many would disagree that a final (and verbal? No dialogue with Harbinger in any way? A 2 minute dialogue with a random reaper destroyer was not NEARLY enough ) confrontation with Harbinger would have been much more satisfying and closing ending to a great series.

The way I saw it the reapers were nothing but tools.

[Dakota Strider]

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

Maybe your right.......Of course it could still be a comgtroled explosion......Oh sorry cant use normal logic...........




By the way I honestly think they blown in on itself......Looking for vid now to see.


your right clearly there is a shockwave......So the only way they can explain it is controled explosion......They might need to clear that up a bit.

I thought about that too. But the problem is, explosions themselves have certain rules of physics that they must follow.

Easier way to envision this is to first figure how strong the item you want blown apart. Say a wooden box for example. Say you need 1000 Newton's per square centimeter for this box to explode. Anything less, and the box cracks, breaks but not explode. If you apply 1500 Newton's of force, you'll get a larger explosion. But regardless you must have that minimal 1000 Newton's to have that box explode.

ME1 established that the Mu Relay took a direct hit from a Super Nova which destroyed the system it was in and all that super nova did was pushed it away so far from its original position, it was considered lost. Kinda like flicking really hard with your finger at a metal teaspoon. All your flicking (super nova) did was fling the teapoon (Relay) across the room (space) undamaged.

So, if a Relay can take a Super Nova (finger flick) and is left undamaged, to get that Relay (spoon) to explode requires a significantly stronger force then a Super Nova strength shockwave to make a relay explode.


 
 

I dont think so....I mean they can be made dormant before blowing up...or a multitude of  things....I will admit that it needs to be clarfied though... they dont need to mae it a big deal so something in the codex would help.

I don't think you understand. I am explaining exactly what it takes to send bits and pieces flying outwords, torn off by an explosion. The Relay itself can take on a Super Nova scale shockwave and be left undamaged. Hence any force that is able to blow a superstructre that strong, needs to be more powerful by several magnitudes.

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

@fhanatos144 Actually, the other way an implosion can happen if an object has at its core a very sudden drop in pressure by several magnitude in scale compared to the mean exterior pressure. Such as a powerful singularity event just happens at its core.

Things still implode or fall inwards in itself though, not get flung out.

Just thought to clarify.

Maybe your right.......Of course it could still be a comgtroled explosion......Oh sorry cant use normal logic...........




By the way I honestly think they blown in on itself......Looking for vid now to see.


your right clearly there is a shockwave......So the only way they can explain it is controled explosion......They might need to clear that up a bit.

I thought about that too. But the problem is, explosions themselves have certain rules of physics that they must follow.

Easier way to envision this is to first figure how strong the item you want blown apart. Say a wooden box for example. Say you need 1000 Newton's per square centimeter for this box to explode. Anything less, and the box cracks, breaks but not explode. If you apply 1500 Newton's of force, you'll get a larger explosion. But regardless you must have that minimal 1000 Newton's to have that box explode.

ME1 established that the Mu Relay took a direct hit from a Super Nova which destroyed the system it was in and all that super nova did was pushed it away so far from its original position, it was considered lost. Kinda like flicking really hard with your finger at a metal teaspoon. All your flicking (super nova) did was fling the teapoon (Relay) across the room (space) undamaged.

So, if a Relay can take a Super Nova (finger flick) and is left undamaged, to get that Relay (spoon) to explode requires a significantly stronger force then a Super Nova strength shockwave to make a relay explode.


 
 

I dont think so....I mean they can be made dormant before blowing up...or a multitude of  things....I will admit that it needs to be clarfied though... they dont need to mae it a big deal so something in the codex would help.

I don't think you understand. I am explaining exactly what it takes to send bits and pieces flying outwords, torn off by an explosion. The Relay itself can take on a Super Nova scale shockwave and be left undamaged. Hence any force that is able to blow a superstructre that strong, needs to be more powerful by several magnitudes.

I think they are the creators of the universe......They can clarify it if they want.  They created the relays.The writers made the universe so they can explain it if they wish....Now you dont have to like it wich is your choice.

[jeweledleah]

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[JackLaVaporiera]

But Shepard did it well. Shepard had the solution. Shepard wiped out the entire galaxy so the reapers had no more a galaxy to harvest lifeforms from thus they starved to death running out of batteries.

You must be kidding us, guys... Take a look at my previous posts, in some of them I've put some hints to start from in which you can find a good line for build an "ending".

[Archonsg]

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

I know. But, I am somewhat a Paragon by nature, so even if a little knowledge rubs off, and who knows someone else who reads all that and actually read my little "lecture" blog,and go, "Damn! That makes sense!" it's still a good deed done.

That's the beauty of the forums, you can post whatever you want, to whomever you want and the whole world can and will judge you for it.

Besides, spreading a little edumacation (as Tiiger would say it) doesn't hurt. ^_~

Why Exploding Mass Relays = Dead Galaxy

Modifié par Archonsg, 03 avril 2012 - 05:59 .