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[MstrJedi Kyle]

Archonsg wrote...

@jewelleah yeah. Which is partly why I felt so let down by the current ending. I have saves dating back almost 5 years ago, some with ME1's Bring Down The Sky and Pinnacle Station. Imagine my surprise when Balak shows up, and because of my paragon choices before and now, pledged what remains of the Batarian Hegemony to my forces. I was like "Holy crap! I got the Batarians to work with the Human Alliance!"
Details matter.
Too bad it was all for naught at the end. At the time I had visions of the combined galactic fleet and ground forces fighting as one.

In one scene I could see a human alliance soldier pinned down with fire, then get attack by perhaps a brute. Lone survivor, making his last stand, he gets knocked around and just as the killing is about to land, the Brute lurches sideways and we see a squad in Terminus armor laying down a hail of fire. Brute dies, one of the squad pulls off his helmet to show a Batarian. Batarian reaches down to give a hand up to our human soldier then smiles and say " come on, our work is not done yet ...*pauses* ...friend."

If only our assets mattered, if only our choices mattered...if only.

Cut scenes of the battle and the assets we collected would have been awesome.

[jeweledleah]

Jassu1979 wrote...

What was the reason given for Shepard's demotion and semi-arrest if you didn't blow up the Batarian colony? Is it specified in any way, or do they just go with something like "after openly being with Cerberus, we could not trust you any longer"?
And who stopped the indoctrinated personell and destroyed the Alpha relay if Shep didn't do it?

its Cerberus and stuff, basicaly.  what Anderson says in the demo/femshep trailer is what you get - the nonspecific "**** you've done".  according to the Citadel quest - its no one specific that blew up the relay, just.. alliance. so presumably, Hackett sent someone else.  like Liara hiring a team of Mercs to take down Shadow Broker if Shep wasn't there to help - basicaly means that Tela Vasir is alive, since Shep never killed her.  Feron is dead though.

@Archonsg  scenes of our assets fighting would have gone a long way towards illusion of them actualy mattering even if it still came down to overall number for final decision.

incidentaly - default ME3 start assumes that Balak lived >_>  I'm not sure if there's a difference between him being killed or being arrested, I haven't tested it.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[alayyubi]

You guys are awesome holding the line. I enjoy every bit reading the Indoctrination Theory and counter arguement, etc regardless what's coming - the end is near !

[shonefob]

jeweledleah wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

What was the reason given for Shepard's demotion and semi-arrest if you didn't blow up the Batarian colony? Is it specified in any way, or do they just go with something like "after openly being with Cerberus, we could not trust you any longer"?
And who stopped the indoctrinated personell and destroyed the Alpha relay if Shep didn't do it?

its Cerberus and stuff, basicaly.  what Anderson says in the demo/femshep trailer is what you get - the nonspecific "**** you've done".  according to the Citadel quest - its no one specific that blew up the relay, just.. alliance. so presumably, Hackett sent someone else.  like Liara hiring a team of Mercs to take down Shadow Broker if Shep wasn't there to help - basicaly means that Tela Vasir is alive, since Shep never killed her.  Feron is dead though.

@Archonsg  scenes of our assets fighting would have gone a long way towards illusion of them actualy mattering even if it still came down to overall number for final decision.

incidentaly - default ME3 start assumes that Balak lived >_>  I'm not sure if there's a difference between him being killed or being arrested, I haven't tested it.

If you look in your war assets under under alliance and I think one of the marine groups it tells you that it is slighty reduced in strength cause units from that battalion were sent to do that if Shepard did not do that DLC.

[TsubakiYayoi]

I could tell about more than enough scenes I almost got or did had tears in my eyes in ME3 but the last 15 minutes made my cry out of anger so its really one of the rare occasions where one epic catastrophy erases over 20 awesome scenes.

[ElrondDragon]

anikj2030 wrote...

Wanted to destroy Reapers but could not because had to save EDI(for joker) and Geth(took legion's death).Did not want to control reapers at any cost.My Shepard goal was to destroy and let all races have a future.I had to go with synthesis option(the only option left,lucky me!).
Now tell me how the heck this ending was good?  
Now reapers exist(whom i hate so much) and all life forms are partially synthetic(means reapers can control them someday).
Moreover what happened to all my squad from ME1 and ME2?
Give all ME3 fans a decent closure at least with better ending.
Let Shepard be reborn(or stay alive)(no matter what the ending player chose in ME3) and fight a foe(equally dangerous as reaper) and help rebuild all civilizations.
Make DLC(new ending) free please as that would be just. 

THIS  

Plus: I would pay for a good DLC with few real choices and proper closure for Shepard and all the characters I loved in this game (ME 1&2&3) 

[shonefob]

What ME3 comes down to at the end....

[leewells]

anikj2030 wrote...

Wanted to destroy Reapers but could not because had to save EDI(for joker) and Geth(took legion's death).Did not want to control reapers at any cost.My Shepard goal was to destroy and let all races have a future.I had to go with synthesis option(the only option left,lucky me!).
Now tell me how the heck this ending was good?  
Now reapers exist(whom i hate so much) and all life forms are partially synthetic(means reapers can control them someday).
Moreover what happened to all my squad from ME1 and ME2?
Give all ME3 fans a decent closure at least with better ending.
Let Shepard be reborn(or stay alive)(no matter what the ending player chose in ME3) and fight a foe(equally dangerous as reaper) and help rebuild all civilizations.
Make DLC(new ending) free please as that would be just. 

And if you were a true synthetic reaper hybrid (examine the husks please) then you are under reaper control.  Likewise the 'control' option is clearly a trick in itself because it was made very clear in ME2 that reapers were uncontrolable and were masters unto themselves.  The only option is destruction to remain "ok", and the belief that the entire ending is an indoc attempt -- at which you are inclined to believe that the entire ending was a dream-sequence which you wake up from (if your readiness is high enough) in a pile of rubble and return to just after harbinger's beam hits you.

[Jusseb]

I honestly believe that in a few days or weeks new DLC content will be announced and follows the indoctrination theory. I see no other option to continue and the clues are there.

For me the whole multiplayer was expendable, so unnecessary, and i think more ME fans agree. It probably cost a lot of dev time which was better spended at the end of the storyline. Then this whole blow back could be avoided.

That's where Mass Effect stands for - story and emotion. I don't understand what you where thinking when you implemented the multiplayer. It's not Mass Effect and makes no sense at all.

Modifié par Jusseb, 03 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[Scorpion1O1]

Just finished the game now I have the time to enjoy it properly (spring break).

DON'T CHANGE THE END.

Please Bioware, you took a risk and did something very beautiful.

Yes, the end left sort of an open wound and it wasn't as customizable as many people liked (wasn't a concern for me)

But it was something I have never seen before and I 'm tired of seeing the same endings for sagas over and over.

It was philosophical, metaphorical and emotional in the highest quality, which is what suburb science fiction is all about.

Don't compromise. Please, the Mass Effect trilogy has been perfect (IMO) changing the ending would pull the rug out from everything you have done.

P.S.  Don't try to reach for perfection because its different for everyone.

P.P.S. Apparently, it should be noted I have been a fan since 2007 and have played each interation more than 10 times.

Modifié par Scorpion1O1, 03 avril 2012 - 02:15 .

[Flamewielder]

Plenty of beautiful ideas in this thread...

But a low-cost, high efficiency set of satisfying ends need only include 3 (6, if you want your paragon/renegade score to "flavor" the result and broadly reflect your choices over the series):

1) Failure, we're all reaperized
2) Success through sacrifice (Shep dies saving the Galaxy)
3) Heroic finale (Galaxy saved, Shep kisses LI & hangs group snapshot on wall, heroes all).

These endings, while they might seem quaint or cliché, would have been par for the course and ended ME 1-2-3 on a note that would have set Mass Effect as THE standard for CRPG's of this current generation. Instead, the devs attempted to slap an existential ending onto what was a superb mosaic of classic space opera themes. It's like pasting "The Scream" over the bottom corner of the Mona Lisa: it's out of place.

"Man's reach has exceeded his grasp" indeed... If you frescoe the Sistine Chapel for Poe Julius II, don't expect him to settle for you using statuary to hide an unfinished ceiling area.

[The Krogan Warlord]

shonefob wrote...

What ME3 comes down to at the end....

So true its unbelieveable.

[kSAntiS]

If u need a feedback from CORE fan of the franchize - here u go.1st time i saw a mass effect was 2006 video from E3,and i thought back there "wow what a great game it will be" thats how this game was 1st day buy for me .November 2007 - mass effect 1 bought and finished within a week.Expression was like - WOW GREAT SUPERDUPER BESTGAME EVER MADE .Thats how Mass Effect become my most loved game ever(iam playing games and consider myself a gamer since 1987).

W8ing for ME2 was a real tortue - videos ,news about it and ofc walkthroughs 1st ME.in January 2010 i finished ME1 11 times.Ofc 2nd game was preordered.Finished it within a 9 days,Expressions was - GREAT CHANGES,FRESH BUT STILL MOST GREATEST GAME AND FRANCHIZE,OMG I LOVE THIS GAME SO BADLY ! ! ! And the w8 for ME3 begins......

DLC for ME2 was good ones - they helped me finishing 2nd game 6 times Before me3 and it was a really good quest all the time to play this game.In February 2012 i started walkthrough of the 1st 2 games ME1 and ME2 in preparation myself to the final game.Finished it 3 day before realese of the ME3 and then started to play 3rd.
1st impressions was like - OMG SO MUCH FAN SERVICE ! SO GOOD NEW BATTLE SYSTEMS,SO COOL IAM PLAYING THE FINAL CHAPTER OF MY FAVORITE GAME OF ALL TIME ! ! ! ! And there was an ending...... i wont lie guys i was crushed - no I WAS CRUSHED ! ! ! ! it is HORRIBLE ENDING for such an AWSOME GAME.Even if dude on youtube with video about "Indoctrinated Shepard" is right u did a very poor job to explain it the game is perfect for 95% but BAD ENDING of the WHOLE TRILOGY is RUINING THE WHOLE TRILOGY for me ((( i dont like ending this way, i bieleve that Shepard deserve a better ending and explanation and i really bielve u read me and hear me - pls do a better justice for Shepard he deserve it .

P.S i finished 1st game 13 times,2nd one 7 times, and 3rd one 1 time and the sad truth I DONT WANT TO PLAY 3rd GAME ANY MORE THEN THIS 1 TIME, u ask why ? cause this "anyway bad" ending dont let me play the game anymore......

Modifié par kSAntiS, 03 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[The Krogan Warlord]

kSAntiS wrote...

If u need a feedback from CORE fan of the franchize - here u go.1st time i saw a mass effect was 2006 video from E3,and i thought back there "wow what a great game it will be" thats how this game was 1st day buy for me .November 2007 - mass effect 1 bought and finished within a week.Expression was like - WOW GREAT SUPERDUPER BESTGAME EVER MADE .Thats how Mass Effect become my most loved game ever(iam playing games and consider myself a gamer since 1987).

W8ing for ME2 was a real tortue - videos ,news about it and ofc walkthroughs 1st ME.in January 2010 i finished ME1 11 times.Ofc 2nd game was preordered.Finished it within a 9 days,Expressions was - GREAT CHANGES,FRESH BUT STILL MOST GREATEST GAME AND FRANCHIZE,OMG I LOVE THIS GAME SO BADLY ! ! ! And the w8 for ME3 begins......

DLC for ME2 was good ones - they helped me finishing 2nd game 6 times Before me3 and it was a really good quest all the time to play this game.In February 2012 i started walkthrough of the 1st 2 games ME1 and ME2 in preparation myself to the final game.Finished it 3 day before realese of the ME3 and then started to play 3rd.
1st impressions was like - OMG SO MUCH FAN SERVICE ! SO GOOD NEW BATTLE SYSTEMS,SO COOL IAM PLAYING THE FINAL CHAPTER OF MY FAVORITE GAME OF ALL TIME ! ! ! ! And there was an ending...... i wont lie guys i was crushed - no I WAS CRUSHED ! ! ! ! it is HORRIBLE ENDING for such an AWSOME GAME.Even if dude on youtube with video about "Indoctrinated Shepard" is right u did a very poor job to explain it the game is perfect for 95% but BAD ENDING of the WHOLE TRILOGY is RUINING THE WHOLE TRILOGY for me ((( i dont like ending this way, i bieleve that Shepard deserve a better ending and explanation and i really bielve u read me and hear me - pls do a better justice for Shepard he deserve it .

P.S i finished 1st game 13 times,2nd one 7 times, and 3rd one 1 time and the sad truth I DONT WANT TO PLAY 3rd GAME ANY MORE THEN THIS 1 TIME, u ask why ? cause this "anyway bad" ending dont let me play the game anymore......

You speaking the truth bro. I loved both the ME1 and ME2 I must have played them both about 10 times each because they were so amazing. But ME3 I just didn't want to see the ending again because it angered me that much. A NEW ENDING IS DESPERATELY NEEDED!!

[Heavvy Metall]

shonefob wrote...

What ME3 comes down to at the end....

Lol, so true.

[LiarasShield]

Will things be solved at pax or will they be left with still unanswered questions and a pack of angry fans that is the question.

Modifié par LiarasShield, 03 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[kSAntiS]

Scorpion1O1 wrote...

Just finished the game now I have the time to enjoy it properly (spring break).

DON'T CHANGE THE END.

Please Bioware, you took a risk and did something very beautiful.

Yes, the end left sort of an open wound and it wasn't as customizable as many people liked (wasn't a concern for me)

But it was something I have never seen before and I 'm tired of seeing the same endings for sagas over and over.

It was philosophical, metaphorical and emotional in the highest quality, which is what suburb science fiction is all about.

Don't compromise. Please, the Mass Effect trilogy has been perfect (IMO) changing the ending would pull the rug out from everything you have done.

P.S.  Don't try to reach for perfection because its different for everyone.

P.P.S. Apparently, it should be noted I have been a fan since 2007 and have played each interation more than 10 times.

MAss Effect neve was "philosophical, metaphorical" thats why this ending sucks.Mass Effect always was a "Star Wars" from Video Game industry.And it must stands for it - Big Battle at the ending and not this "philosophical, metaphorical" **** at the end - you wrong dude.

Modifié par kSAntiS, 03 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[TheLerm]

I really liked the games. The ending wasn't exactly what I wanted, but I am guessing there will be DLC and I will not complain until all of it has been released. There is only 1 thing I am upset about. The Tali picture. That's it, as of right now. I have always praised Bioware for their attention to detail. Even the smallest bit of information. The Tali picture was just...lazy. I am almost offended that you did that to us. I have been dying to see what the quarians looked like and that's what I get? You couldn't even let us see her face on her home planet. We just get a cropped photo. Thats the one fail I have found.

Besides that, I have loved the series. I really wanted a larger selection of Squadmates. Was really hoping to get a Batarian or Volus on the crew at some point. But hey, I am also not ruling out a ME4 just yet, so there is time.

[Daniel_N7]

"Yes, we are listening."

Well, you sure aren't talking...

[kSAntiS]

TheLerm wrote...

I really liked the games. The ending wasn't exactly what I wanted, but I am guessing there will be DLC and I will not complain until all of it has been released. There is only 1 thing I am upset about. The Tali picture. That's it, as of right now. I have always praised Bioware for their attention to detail. Even the smallest bit of information. The Tali picture was just...lazy. I am almost offended that you did that to us. I have been dying to see what the quarians looked like and that's what I get? You couldn't even let us see her face on her home planet. We just get a cropped photo. Thats the one fail I have found.

Besides that, I have loved the series. I really wanted a larger selection of Squadmates. Was really hoping to get a Batarian or Volus on the crew at some point. But hey, I am also not ruling out a ME4 just yet, so there is time.

Dude after DLC there will be no place for complaining and the game will be sold so many times Bioware want it to be sold - thats why they trying to slow your complaining with a "DLC or changing ending" promises.If we - CORE fans of the game dont start complaining RIGHT NOW they will kill this franchize for us with this bad ending.

[Enomis Scorcher]

Not Sureanyone else asked already but I wish to anyway: are you shure this is not a way to rise expectations?

I mean, quite everyone of us is upset of what happened so far, anyone of us WANTS clarifications and many of us a better ending.... what if the real ending (I can't believe the one we have is the true one) is already in store waiting to be released after a certain time?

I know it's crazy but always less than accept such a big fault by BW

[kSAntiS]

Enomis Scorcher wrote...

Not Sureanyone else asked already but I wish to anyway: are you shure this is not a way to rise expectations?

I mean, quite everyone of us is upset of what happened so far, anyone of us WANTS clarifications and many of us a better ending.... what if the real ending (I can't believe the one we have is the true one) is already in store waiting to be released after a certain time?

I know it's crazy but always less than accept such a big fault by BW

i wont be surpised if u speak truth.Biowares faults started after DA2 then goes good single player game SWTOR and now ME3 ending - iam that close to stop buying their games for ever.

[Vyel]

First off I want to thank you (Bioware ME team) for the amount of pleasure I had gotten from your ME trilogy. Truly one of my favorite RP series of all times. Deep rich environments and characters. I fell in love with the Shepard character.

Now, having said that, it would be derelict of me not to address my feelings on the ending.

What was the goal of the series? My initial take was, much like most themes of these type of epics, to save the Galaxy/World.

And it was billed from you as such. Prepare for the Reapers was your selling point. Make choices that matter.

But that wasn't the case, now was it? If it was, Shepard would have either saved or lost the galaxy depending on his actions (as continually billed by you throughout the series).

Listen, I understand the "Indoctrination." And it's wonderfully elaborate. And very clever. Incredibly well written. Allegories, metaphors, everything damn near perfect.

But was the point of the series to provide an M. Knight moment? I didn't think so. Apparently I was wrong.

However, you needed the customers to be looking the other way in order to "trick" some of them to be indoctrinated. Because most would not have rightly choose to be indoctrinated willingly (under normal conditions).

Therefore you needed to trick players into confusion. So they would not understand the actuality of their ultimate decision.

Is that really the way you wanted to end the series? Is that really the ultimate piont of the series? To trick the player base? To throw out all the other decisions a player made over the course of years, or identifying with the Shepard character?

Did you really want your player base to walk away from that epic series having to need a few hours to figure out what the heck they just saw and what the heck just happened?

It seems a complete departure of what the series was all about, let alone what the series was promoted to be about.

So the series isn't about the war with the Reapers at all. We find out in the last 10 minutes that the series is actually about Shapard's fight for his own humanity. FOr his own hope.

Everything else is ancillary. At best. Does the rest of the "Elder" Galaxy survive? Well, as per the ending, who cares, right? It doesn't matter. Why? because we don't know. What we do know is whether Shepard keeps his humanity and hope or not.

That's all that matters, right? I have no proof to show otherwise. The ending is what it is and makes a statement what the entire series was about.

I think the indoctrination was wonderful. I think it was clever beyond belief. But I don't agree that it needed to be the ending of a series that was billed the entire time as about something entirely different.

It seems like a moment where you are trying to outthink the room. You should note the response of your customer base. Again, it seems the goal was to just trick them into making a decision they normally wouldn't.

There is a certain principal, KISS. Keep It Simple Stupid. And I think you guys got away from that when such a large portion of your customer base walks away not knowing exactly what happened. Was that the real goal? To make yourselves feel smart and your player base feel stupid for not seeing it? Or was the real goal to try to do something so in depth that you would be applauded by histories prospective and be damned those who actually invested the time playing the game?

And what of the choices that were billed to have mattered? They still add up to either Shepard breathes or Shepard doesn't breathe.

Anyway, just wanted to give my two cents. I love the games. I loved the IT, I just thought there should have been something else after. Ok, Shepard is indoctrinated, or he isn't. Now what? What happened to the galaxy. The game was billed to “Take Earth Back”, yet after the ending, we don't know if we take Earth Back.

It just seemed an overly complex ending that does not in anyway coincide with how the game was billed/promoted or played up until that moment. It seems misplaced, and there should be an ending that does coincide with the actual rest of the game and how the game was played/billed/promoted.

[ba0987]

Flamewielder wrote...

Plenty of beautiful ideas in this thread...

But a low-cost, high efficiency set of satisfying ends need only include 3 (6, if you want your paragon/renegade score to "flavor" the result and broadly reflect your choices over the series):

1) Failure, we're all reaperized
2) Success through sacrifice (Shep dies saving the Galaxy)
3) Heroic finale (Galaxy saved, Shep kisses LI & hangs group snapshot on wall, heroes all).

These endings, while they might seem quaint or cliché, would have been par for the course and ended ME 1-2-3 on a note that would have set Mass Effect as THE standard for CRPG's of this current generation. Instead, the devs attempted to slap an existential ending onto what was a superb mosaic of classic space opera themes. It's like pasting "The Scream" over the bottom corner of the Mona Lisa: it's out of place.

"Man's reach has exceeded his grasp" indeed... If you frescoe the Sistine Chapel for Poe Julius II, don't expect him to settle for you using statuary to hide an unfinished ceiling area.

 

This all over...with more war cut scenes... Unless indoc theory holds up then keep as is.

[Omnike]

TheLerm wrote...

I really liked the games. The ending wasn't exactly what I wanted, but I am guessing there will be DLC and I will not complain until all of it has been released. There is only 1 thing I am upset about. The Tali picture. That's it, as of right now. I have always praised Bioware for their attention to detail. Even the smallest bit of information. The Tali picture was just...lazy. I am almost offended that you did that to us. I have been dying to see what the quarians looked like and that's what I get? You couldn't even let us see her face on her home planet. We just get a cropped photo. Thats the one fail I have found.

Besides that, I have loved the series. I really wanted a larger selection of Squadmates. Was really hoping to get a Batarian or Volus on the crew at some point. But hey, I am also not ruling out a ME4 just yet, so there is time.

There excellent attention to detail was suddenly lacking in the ending. If there plan all along was to release some kind of post ending DLC to clear things up, this plan really backfired and it was a terrible idea. No one wants to buy an incomplete game.