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[die-yng]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

TabrisAbound wrote...

My favorite moments? I have none. They were all tainted by the game's shoddy ending.

Don't you DARE try and deflect/brush off criticism with those insipid smilies and that florid, reconcillitary, stalling prose nonsense.

You guys screwed up badly.
I'm not turning down the fire until we've gotten an explanation.

Come off it, Mr. Priestly. You're not fooling me.

Chill, thats not the way to discuss it, say what you don't like, say what you want out of the ending. Yelling at them wont help. It's very clear they are asking us for a reason and have dropped clues all over about doing something about it. 

Okay, then please do explain it to me once more, and I tell you if I didn't get it.

And if it's is the whole indoctrination/ hallucination stuff again, I swear I...  no nonono let's keep it civil.

Just enlighten me.

[Optimus J]

So sweet. They are listening.... Acting is BEYOND imagination I guess.

[Instantcash]

I see there are a ton of posts already, but I will add mine anyway.

Favorite moments were most of the game. It was a an emotional roller coaster (until the end of course which left me feeling empty).

For me the best was being on Rannoch with Tali, I loved the whole romance you did with her, the voice actor did an amazing job with the character. Though I admit, complete let down not seeing her face once you freed it.

The garrus on the the citadel was amazing. Best buds.

There are a lot of moments like that, where it was built upon from teh previous games. Over all, my favorite part of mass effect was the relationships. Not just the romances but all the relationships you built.

[cinderburster]

sadako wrote...

Actinguy1 wrote...

Okay. I'll play.

3) Wiping out the entire Quarian race. Tali was already dead (ME2) so it wasn't AS shocking to me as it could have been, but it was still horrifying.

2) Mordin's sacrifice. He was my favorite character of the franchise, and he went out like a freaking hero. Even without firing a single shot. Amazing.

1) And the absolute best moment was...waking up after the beam, and realizing Ashley (my love interest) and Garrus (my best friend) were dead. This was not my favorite moment because I WANTED them dead, it was an awesome moment because it was EMOTIONAL.

Not only did the ending lack any emotion whatsoever, but seeing Ashley step off the Normandy UNDID the emotion of seeing her dead...without creating any new emotion in its place. Not only did the ending suck, it managed to simultaneously ruin the best moment in the game.

There. I played along. Now, in response to the rest of the original post: This is complete nonsense. We had a decent conversation going with Stanley Woo in the non-spoilers forum. You moved us here, where we could spoil away, and I understand that. Yet, in 40 pages so far, nobody has responded to any of us. Why did you move us to the spoilers forum if you weren't going to give any answers?

I understand the game was only recently released in some areas of the world. But why would you wait for them to beat the game? Do you want them to go through the same anger that we feel? Or do you want them to go to Bioware's website, see that their issues have already been solved (or at least addressed!) so they won't have to doubt Bioware as we have done.

Really, you guys have GOT to quit treating us like children. You made a game which, in many countries, can only be purchased by an adult. Even if someone did buy Mass Effect 1 when they were 13, they are now 18 years old. Many of us are educated in the way the business world works, and we know flippant PR when we see it. It is more offensive than the lack of an emotional ending to the Mass Effect series.

I'd like to make an analogy if I may. I am a very happily married man. I have never had a single moment in our relationship when I have ever had any reason to doubt the good intentions of my wife. But if one day I did come across compelling evidence that she had cheated, I would calmly ask her about it. Surely, there would be a logical explanation. And if she said she couldn't answer the question at that moment...well, that would be weird. That would make me wonder. But, okay. Fine. I will ask again tomorrow.

But if, more than a week later, I found 45,000 other people who agreed that my wife had cheated on me, and the press was writing articles about how my wife had cheated on me, and FINALLY she gives me a response that looks like this:

"I still can't answer that question. I will one day, but not today. In the meantime, tell me what was the moment of our marriage that you liked the best?"

...well, can you see where I would have a hard time believing that she was taking me seriously?

+100,

Agree, most of us who were old enough to play me1 are now old codgers. lol

Add another +100 to that.  I have faith in BioWare's writers, they've consistently given me great moments. 

On the other hand, not a single novelist I've read would've tacked that ending on to a great series and gone "lol, this is it, guys.  ISN'T IT GREAT."

Part of writing a great, memorable story is resolution.  People like it.  We're groomed to like it from infancy.

Now, I know that isn't everyone's cup of tea.  Hell, it isn't always mine.  Some writers can pull off leaving a few things open without it feeling like they left out a chapter.  It's okay to end a story on a question, if that question leads somewhere.  If it doesn't get lost in the plotholes.  The best stories that end with questions end with a question.  An uncertainty.  There might be several loose ends left untied, but they will all lead to that one idea.

One that inspires thought, introspection, and careful consideration into what we think happened.

Not one that leaves you feeling betrayed and wondering where your favorite character went.  Were they always so accepting?  So open to making decisions that compromises everything they stand for?  What was the author trying to accomplish by their protagonist suddenly having a personality change?  Were they just tired of the story?  Were they trying for something new that flopped?  Did they lose the character?

There's thought happening.  Fans are scrabbling to come up with a resolution that fills the hole the ending(s) left.

Personally, that's not a good sign.  That's lack of entertainment.  The ride was fun, but when it ends on such a sour note that reflects onto the entire franchise.

Modifié par cinderburster, 15 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[TheRealMithril]

Xerkysz wrote...

Not joking at all, and you fail to see outside the box, sir.

Most people can see quite well.. But maybe you like 2001 endings. Fine, you watch that movie.
However, I'd like very much not to get pushed out of my drivers seat while driving, thank you.

[Clarian]

Chris Priestly wrote...
In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard.

I'd love to...except...this isn't my Shepard.

Chris Priestly wrote...

 
we want to give people time to experience the game

I won't be starting the game until I get my Shepards back.  That's not to say I demand a quick fix; I'm willing to wait a long time for a thorough one.

[Xerkysz]

Archonsg wrote...

I believe what 
Xerkysz  meant (I can't really speak for him since he's being vauge and all, but i can guess) is that it was EA / Bioware's plan all along to put in that craptastic ending. 
Why? 
Sales.

EA / Bioware Exec 01: "Hey, I've got an idea how we can make sure almost everyone who played all two previous games buy a $xx.xx DLC. We sold what, 4 million, how about 4 milion more in DLC sales for sure?"

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "How are you going to manage that?"

EA / Bioware Exec 01 : " We give them the most craptastic ending we can think up off." 

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "Won't that ****** them all off?

EA / Bioware Exec 01 : "Sure but we'll, appologise later after all the more vocal ones have ranted and people start begging for a DLC fix. Give them a little time to stew around and get desperate."

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "What? You think that'll work? Could blow up in your face man."

EA / Bioware Exec 01: "I have two words to say to you ..."Horse armor". This will be great. They'll pay us just so we'll "fix" the ending for them."

EA / Bioware Exec 02 : "Hey, you know, that might just work."


(All characters are fictional and only exist in my mind. Any similarities to actual events are purely in coincedence) 

Close but no cigar.
I mean it actually was one of the most amazingly constructed endings anyone could have done and you all fail to see it.

[Hydralysk]

Souris wrote...

spacefiddle wrote...

Souris wrote...
you're just proving my point that you're being too dramatic...
make you realize ...
 the ending, although it came out of left field, was okay. It wasn't some horrible terrible thing, it wasn't fantastic, it just was there....
people should not let...

I respect your opinions.  Now respect ours, and stop pretending that the above is anything other than your opinion.  Stop telling me what to think, what to do, what it means, and disguising your own value judgements as absolute truths.  It's insulting and demeans both of us.

Thats not what I'm trying to do. I'm having a discussion. Everything is so pitchforks and fire, doom and gloom, that no one will look at the journey. It's frustrating.

We do look at the journey, hell everyone I've seen said the journey was amazing, but you can't say that the ending being bad has no effect on the journey. When I remember Mass Effect 3, yes I can remember the great moments but every single one of those great moments is overshadowed by the confusion, horror, and emptiness I felt when the game ended on such a poor note ESPECIALLY after having such a great journey. I can't bring myself to replay the games because at every moment that was grand and tearjerking a nagging part of my brain is telling me "Yeah but no matter what you do the galaxy is screwed and you have no say in the matter". The journey itself was amazing, all we want is an ending that is worthy of that journey.

[0oSPIRITo0]

Thane's death was really touching, there was a few time i actually cried and then it went down hill with the end. I was hoping to see my femshep live happy with Kaidan, she earned it damn it.

[maddlarkin]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

Hands up if you will not be interested in any DLC until the ending is fixed *Hand up*

Fully agreed, what would be the point and *hand up*

[Painis Cupcake]

Getorex wrote...

Painis Cupcake wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

It's funny how mad you're all getting over this, it was a masterfully
constructed ending, and clearly their plan worked. It's a petty you all
cannot see it.

Shepard's sacrifice was admirable, but that doesn't change the fact his sacrfice only put the galaxy further into chaos now that mass relays are destroyed. What will happen to your stranded friends? What about the surviving forces in your armada you took with you into the war? What about the many occupied planets/systems/nebulae now isolated and unable to give or receive supplies?

If anything, Shepard's sacrifice was in vain and ultimately gave the galaxy a more grim death.

It was a sacrifice that I had no part in making.  I would not willingly kill myself without fighting with every fiber to NOT die.  I don't want to have an ending shovel-fed to me against my will or nature. 

How about I mash my fist into the little kid's face and then kick him like I'm making a field goal, blow the station, get off, get back with Ash and the gang, and limp off to help rebuild the galaxy?  THAT'S my ending.  Not some "All doors lead to hades".

I actually tried making the "no, we'll fight the reapers" option to someone once, they argued by repeating what Anderson said: "They cannot be beaten by conventional means". What that means is that, no matter how large your army is, you still don't have the brute force needed to smash the reapers apart. That leaves us with one final solution: The Indoctrination Theory.

If you haven't checked the alternative endings suggested in the forums, it works like this: When Harbinger arrives and blasts Shepard with a laser, he survives and falls unconscious. In his dream, he enters the beam and into the citadel where you meet anderson. During the confrontation with The Illusive Man, you'll see shadowy tendrils around the edge of the screen. This was considered to be the influence of indoctrination on your mind. Later after the conflict, you meet "godchild" who gives you three choices. Notice how the blue (paragon) choice was used by the pinnacle of renegade, The Illusive Man? Notice the red (renegade) option was used by the pinnacle of paragon morals, Anderson? The catalyst was trying to fool you into submission by choosing either control or synthesis which still allows the reapers to survive in the end. Also take note on how the catelyst words the "destroy" option compared to the control and synthesis choices, it sounds like he's trying to warn you against it. If you choose to destroy, you may also unlock the secret end where you find Shepard's broken body lying amongst the rubble than he suddenly wakes up with a gasp of air. This could mean that everything that happened (reapers blow up, Normady stranded on a random planet) was a dream and Shepard wakes back up in London, the reapers having failed to indoctrinate Shepard completely.

(sorry for that wall o' text)
What could this mean? It leads to potential DLC where the war with the reapers are still commencing, but the battle for earth has been won. Thats just my idea though.

[NReed106]

No doubt the best most emotionally engaging game I've played. Thane's prayer scene, Mordin's singing, I've never been that attached to a character that I could be emotionally moved by their death.

The endings, however, left a sour taste in my mouth. There are many explanations, plot holes, lack of differences, many have covered it but the two best sources to me:


http://www.gamefront...fans-are-right/

Modifié par NReed106, 15 mars 2012 - 06:39 .

[Azorgamer]

What I liked - 98% of the game. From the beginning all the way up until you are at the end, Illusive Man is dead, Anderson is dead and you are rising up on that cool elevator. I probably didn't hate the choices as much as other people - I could actually live with the choices. But then the Normandy sequence makes no sense whatsoever, why is Joker flying away, how did my team get back on the ship, WHY would they be running away and instead not find a way to get to Shepard or help him/her finish off the Reapers. Finally, where's the epilogue, I've lived with mystery for 3 games, I want to know what happens to the Quarians, Turians, Asari, Geth, Salarians, Humanity and all the other races right after the destruction of the Mass Relays. EPILOGUE people - epilogue! This is the end of the trilogy, lets have some answers.

Also, one other thing, it does seem impossible to get the Shepard breathing ending without playing multiplayer and that is completely unfair. I don't play multiplayer, it's just not my thing and it's a bit disappointing that I literally have to play a NG+ to get that ending where Shepard seems to have survived. It would be nice if some changes were made that one can have less than 4000 EMS to get that ending OR bring up the readiness percentage from 50% to 60%. That way multiplayer is not necessary and you both choices available to you: 1. play an entirely complete single player game OR 2. play multiplayer -- and with either option you can get the Shepard survives ending.

Anyways, as for what I liked, I already mentioned that the game was awesome, but I truly did enjoy the moral choices you gave to us throughout the game - do we cure the Genophage or let it continue, do we destroy the Geth or the Quarians or save them both, Thane's sacrifice, and also seeing how all this is impacting Shepard - it was nice to see Shepard's "humanity". Because in real life everyone with all the pressure would be getting near a breaking point. After the Thessia mission you can just tell how the character truly feels close to breaking.

Thus, the game was awesome...I enjoyed playing through it and am actually on my second playthrough now. Just the endings and the multiplayer issue were the points I disliked.

[Xerkysz]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Xerkysz wrote...

Not joking at all, and you fail to see outside the box, sir.

Most people can see quite well.. But maybe you like 2001 endings. Fine, you watch that movie.
However, I'd like very much not to get pushed out of my drivers seat while driving, thank you.

Protip: You're still driving.

[HinduCowGirl]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Well, the longer you wait before this is addressed the less people are going to invest money in this product. So waiting for more players to experience the game will at some point backfire due to all the bad publicity you've got so far.

I'm baffled the way this went from being the most anticipated game of the year to become the biggest let down this decade in just 10 minutes.

[wrdnshprd]

Dragonseye1138 wrote...

Good to know you're at least not ignoring us, but as so many others have said, Shepard and Mass Effect deserved more than this shoehorned excuse of an ending. I think a lot of poeple would have been willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, but we also wanted a choice in the matter; the possibility that Shepard lives and finally gets to go home. And the "Shepard Breathing" scene does not count as Shepard surviving because all does is lend credence to the Indoctrination Theory. After so much time and effort, after so many of us have invested so much into this saga, our choices should matter in the end. Our choices should amount to more than just cold, hard numbers and whether or not Big Ben explodes.

That being said, I had a lot of great of moments playing through the game. Reaper vs. Thresher Maw was epic, but not nearly as epic as killing the reaper on Rannoch with a TARGETING LASER. That's how awesome Shepard is.   Legion's messianic sacrifice made me shed manly tears and watching Thessia fall was both awesome and heartbreaking, but even more impressive was the way Joker tears into Shepard after Thessia falls. All in all, awesome ride...until the end.

its also pretty much impossible to get the ending you talked about without multiplayer, which makes things even more frustrating.

Modifié par wrdnshprd, 15 mars 2012 - 06:28 .

[Polat995]

Why shouldn't we yell them. They are trying do deflect our negative views and make us forget about everything.

[Getorex]

Deschi wrote...

Carlthestrange wrote...

The gameplay, the story, the buildup was top class.

And then the ending. None of your choices matter one bit. Well, that is unless you don't have enough troops and destroy all life. But thats hardly much extra.

It felt like you'd rushed out the ending at the last second, like EA had given you a deadline before the ending was done. It was an ending filled with plotholes, rainbows and well... destroying the whole Mass Effect universe by cutting it off forever.

Of course, if it was one of those endings that is supposed to make you "Think" or even a dream style ending, that sucks too. Its like a giant middle finger at the fans. I can tell you, even when it comes to TV shows. We HATE dream episodes.

Please fix the ending. And validate the work we put in to get through this incredible journey.

For me it always matters how "dreams" or pretemtiously spoken "diegetic narrative layers" are presented and integrated in the story. Look at the movies of David Lynch or for another stylistic approach Terry Gilliam or the early works of Darren Aronofsky regarding films. There you can see that "dream" or "twisted reality" concepts can work quite well and in an artisitic way. But there you can feel in the whole style that it is meant to BE that way. In the case of my beloved Mass Effect series this "plot twist" feels just not fitting. I could try to analyze this with narrative theories but i think therr is no need doing it as it is obvious that most people just feel that it's somehow not right... especially as the rest of the game and also the first two parts are classics and totally brilliant.

pic heavily related: from a series/movie which handels dream sequences quit well

Excellent! " Twin Peaks" was the right way to handle dreams.  The TV show "Dallas" was entirely the WRONG way to use a dream sequence (in which case it was to totally retcon an entire previous season).  The dream ending of ME3 was more "Dallas" than "Twin Peaks".

[Tispower]

Best part of the game; everything bar the last 5-10 mins

[komenusai]

At least they are acknowledging the ending problem. And the game in itself was full of awe-striking moments. Just the end was horrible

Mordins Death Scene,
Thanes Death Scene
Thresher Maw
Quarian/Geth Fleet scenes
Legion becoming Jesus, I mean saving the Geth.
Liara Writes your name in the stars
The ridiculous amount of guns.

[Agremont2]

Another thing that bothered me was tha my LI (Tali) didn't show up in the end flashbacks. Only Anderson, Joker and Liara did. Felt wrong.

[NuTTy Hobo Bum]

The game was absolutely amazing, every single moment was fun and entertaining. But the ending, it ruined the whole experience if I'm honest.

[OriginalTibs]

Polat995 wrote...

Don't you DARE try and deflect/brush off criticism with those insipid smilies and that florid, reconcillitary, stalling prose nonsense.

You are totally screwed the game and the future of Bioware. Don't try to release multi or other singlplayer DLC until you fix the ending.

Don't be deceived by these words. HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE!

They used to eat flies...

[Shanook]

I knew my blind fangirlism for BioWare wasn't for nothing! :'D

Haven't checked the forums for the past few days (except the Motivationals thread), but I noticed your Twitter was responding to negative feedback. Came on here to find this awesomeness. Can I just say that I really appreciate that you guys are willing to respond to negative feedback with as much grace as you are the positive feedback?

Yes, I was a bit disappointed with the endings, too, but I've got faith that you guys will make us happy.

Now, best moments in the game? Definitely the romance scenes and the interactions with your squad mates. So many awesome moments and fantastic dialogue just from those scenes.

[Shantale1]

I have to say the game was amazing until the end …I was so disgusted it was not even funny….
But I will tell you my favorite parts..
1)      Getting the Geth to work with Tali – being able to give Tali the dirt from her home planet nad listening to her tell me where she Is going to put the windows at, awesome!
2)      The crew moving around the ship. Garrus and Vega comparing whose better omg I never laughed so hard.
3)      Kaiden …ok this was the best part! In London when he grabbed me and kissed me and told me how much he loved me!
4)      Mordain dyeing I have never cried over a game before and I refused to play after he died took me a day of mourning…I can still hear him singing..You all are a bunch of evil bastards…
5)      Being in London saying my good bye’s and Liliana and I were sitting next to each other looking out on the world..yes you made me cry again…she is my bff! She even wrote me into the stars she built that just for me!
6)      A fish feeder! Catching my hamster!
The list goes on and on then I get to the end…….I will say you all must have been tired because I busted my buns to unite everyone just for you to take it all away! What were you thinking with those endings?