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[Vyel]

Flamewielder wrote...

Plenty of beautiful ideas in this thread...

But
a low-cost, high efficiency set of satisfying ends need only include 3
(6, if you want your paragon/renegade score to "flavor" the result and
broadly reflect your choices over the series):

1) Failure, we're all reaperized
2) Success through sacrifice (Shep dies saving the Galaxy)
3) Heroic finale (Galaxy saved, Shep kisses LI & hangs group snapshot on wall, heroes all).

These
endings, while they might seem quaint or cliché, would have been par
for the course and ended ME 1-2-3 on a note that would have set Mass
Effect as THE standard for CRPG's of this current generation. Instead,
the devs attempted to slap an existential ending onto what was a superb
mosaic of classic space opera themes. It's like pasting "The Scream"
over the bottom corner of the Mona Lisa: it's out of place.

"Man's
reach has exceeded his grasp" indeed... If you frescoe the Sistine
Chapel for Poe Julius II, don't expect him to settle for you using
statuary to hide an unfinished ceiling area.

This falls firmly in the KISS theory I spoke of, and well within the context of the ME series.

You needed Paragon, Renegade, and heroic. That's it. Cliche? Sure, but guess what? People are comfortable with it.

kSAntiS wrote...

P.S i finished 1st game 13 times,2nd one 7 times, and 3rd one 1 time and the sad truth I DONT WANT TO PLAY 3rd GAME ANY MORE THEN THIS 1 TIME, u ask why ? cause this "anyway bad" ending dont let me play the game anymore......

Interesting fact: I found myself doing the same thing. I find that I have no desire to replay it seeing how nothing I do makes any (or much of any) difference. But that just wasn't true with the other games in the series which I played over and over.

[RaphDS]

It's been under a month now and I realize it: the Mass Effect series has LAME ENDINGS ALL AROUND.

Mass Effect: Pick between Blue planet or Shepard with Gun.
Mass Effect 2: Blue explosion and red star, or red explosion and blue star. Or everyone dead. And stuff about an invasion.
Mass Effect 3: R, B, and G

I'm exaggerating. But at the end of the day, the cinematics used all had that "rushed" feel. Devs do that everywhere in games. It's only now that we can tell devs "hey! these things matter. do something SPECIAL."

On that regard, Congrats Bioware. You took a big brave risk, and that's special in itself, and I'm proud of you for avoiding the boring-ass happy ending route, but not everybody sees it that way. Ball's in your court.

Now, do I want the ending to change? Not really. My expectations are low on a rewrite/overhaul. The ending works as it is (The story is finally over!), and what I felt it really lacks is the "what next?" factor: "How does everybody pick up after?" "How do the images at the ending cinematic tie together?" or even "Shepard lives! NOW WHAT?"

That little extra exposition, even akin to the Dragon Age: Origin text crawl, ANYTHING really, will help elaborate on how the final scene changes things for the galaxy, in big and small ways. Hell, I'm re-playing DA:O now, and I find it ingenious that there's lots of ways the world is altered by The Warden, and yet all the ending really turns out to be are just a bunch of text.

You don't need an expensive DLC team to do that, and probably that's all I'll expect.

The only real thing I'll pay money for DLC will be something that adds to the gameplay: more missions, more multiplayer maps, and more reason to keep going beyond playthrough one, and to get level 60 and all that. I mean, it's still a stellar game to play, loaded with a deep, involving science-fiction story that pokes around the "hardcore" end. How that story ends was always gonna be tricky, but as long as it doesn't end on a cliche, I can rest knowing it's still great sci-fi.

[RobinEJ]

"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same."

Modifié par RobinEJ, 03 avril 2012 - 03:07 .

[Thanatos144]

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

[Omnike]

RobinEJ wrote...

"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same."

They don't want to ruin the pretend artistic integrity of the half assed writing in the end. I have no idea how they could charge people just to explain the plot holes in the ending. It's ridiculous.

[Thanatos144]

I woke up today and my coffee maker didnt have coffee for me already......I need to complain to GE that they need to change my coffee maker cause I bought it and am entitled to it all.

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same."

They don't want to ruin the pretend artistic integrity of the half assed writing in the end. I have no idea how they could charge people just to explain the plot holes in the ending. It's ridiculous.

It is thier game.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

In writing, you establish a set of rules within your universe. Bioware did this fantastically and kept up with it until the last ten minutes of the game. Which is why space magic is dumb and it's why dark energy should have stayed the ending.

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

In writing, you establish a set of rules within your universe. Bioware did this fantastically and kept up with it until the last ten minutes of the game. Which is why space magic is dumb and it's why dark energy should have stayed the ending.

In writing you can explain why certain rules dont apply in certain cercumstances.............It is thier universe not yours.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I woke up today and my coffee maker didnt have coffee for me already......I need to complain to GE that they need to change my coffee maker cause I bought it and am entitled to it all.

If you bought a coffee maker that had a timed activate on it and you set it for 4:00 am to make coffee and it doesn't? Yes, you are entitled to a new coffee maker because you were lied to.

[Vyel]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I woke up today and my coffee maker didnt have coffee for me already......I need to complain to GE that they need to change my coffee maker cause I bought it and am entitled to it all.

Did GE promote your coffee maker as being able to provide that feature?

[jeweledleah]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

In writing, you establish a set of rules within your universe. Bioware did this fantastically and kept up with it until the last ten minutes of the game. Which is why space magic is dumb and it's why dark energy should have stayed the ending.

give it up.  he doesn't understand what it means.  for him its enough if writers decide to asspul a different set of rules, as long as they are the writers.  it doesn't have to make sence, it doesn't have to fit - becasue the writers said it does, that's it.

the fact that its bad writing, doesn't figure into it.  you are not supposed to question "the word of god"

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

In writing, you establish a set of rules within your universe. Bioware did this fantastically and kept up with it until the last ten minutes of the game. Which is why space magic is dumb and it's why dark energy should have stayed the ending.

In writing you can explain why certain rules dont apply in certain cercumstances.............It is thier universe not yours.

Well... they didn't explain. So no.

A plot hole[/b], or plothole[/b], is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. 

Modifié par Omnike, 03 avril 2012 - 03:16 .

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Dakota Strider wrote...

For those that wonder why so many are upset:

http://social.biowar...ndex/10927975/1

oh dear.  i actualy have that issue   i feel like I need a tub of popcorn at this point.

@ Archonsg - you cannot argue science and writing rules with a person who thinks that "because I said so" is a good enough reason for anything.

Just cause I say so???? Nope but because the writers say so yes. Why? Cause it is thier universe not yours or mine

In writing, you establish a set of rules within your universe. Bioware did this fantastically and kept up with it until the last ten minutes of the game. Which is why space magic is dumb and it's why dark energy should have stayed the ending.

In writing you can explain why certain rules dont apply in certain cercumstances.............It is thier universe not yours.

Well... they didn't explain. So no.

A plot hole[/b], or plothole[/b], is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. 

They probly didnt think there would be crybabies looking under every rock to do nothing but slam thier work......Guess they shouldnt hav had as much faith in people.

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...
They probly didnt think there would be crybabies looking under every rock to do nothing but slam thier work......Guess they shouldnt hav had as much faith in people.

Then they shouldn't be considered professional.

[Versidious]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same."

They don't want to ruin the pretend artistic integrity of the half assed writing in the end. I have no idea how they could charge people just to explain the plot holes in the ending. It's ridiculous.

It is thier game.

I have a credit card statement for £50 which would dispute that it is only their game. It is their IP, but it is also our game. We paid them for it, on the understanding they would deliver what they normally deliver. They did not. One of the fun things about capitalism is that we have the freedom to complain if we are not happy about a product. We can even return it, or threaten to not buy from a company again. Bioware can choose to stick to their guns if they want to, or they can choose to give us the product we are asking for. They don't have to do so, but we want them to, and are giving them plenty of good arguments and explanations as to why and how we want it changed. We've highlighted the large flaws in their work, and asked them to fix it, because we have such love for the franchise that we want to see it done justice. End of story.

[Thanatos144]

Versidious wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

"Daniel Gonzalez, director of marketing and public relations for EA Latin America, says that they will release no DLC with a different ending. There will be a DLC to better explain the details of the ending, but the ending will remain the same."

They don't want to ruin the pretend artistic integrity of the half assed writing in the end. I have no idea how they could charge people just to explain the plot holes in the ending. It's ridiculous.

It is thier game.

I have a credit card statement for £50 which would dispute that it is only their game. It is their IP, but it is also our game. We paid them for it, on the understanding they would deliver what they normally deliver. They did not. One of the fun things about capitalism is that we have the freedom to complain if we are not happy about a product. We can even return it, or threaten to not buy from a company again. Bioware can choose to stick to their guns if they want to, or they can choose to give us the product we are asking for. They don't have to do so, but we want them to, and are giving them plenty of good arguments and explanations as to why and how we want it changed. We've highlighted the large flaws in their work, and asked them to fix it, because we have such love for the franchise that we want to see it done justice. End of story.

you paid for the licends to play the game not the ownership of the content. Didnt you read the end licends agreement on the package?

Modifié par Thanatos144, 03 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 you paid for the licends to play the game not the ownership of the content. Didnt you read the end licends agreement on the package?

Based on false promises. That could be misonstrued as false advertising.

[jeweledleah]

you know, you guys? we should have never said a single word of criticism about "Mass Effect Deception". after all its not our book, right? its not our story. how dare we point out the inconsistencies and discrepancies and contradictions? we didn't write it, we have no right to have an opinion on it other then "good job", let alone express it.

and Bioware should have never recalled it to be rewritten. should have just left it alone, after all what do fans know? oh and moreover, we should have been totally quiet about relationship options disparity, after all - if they decided that Shepard couldn't be gay, who are we to tell them otherwise? right?

every single piece of fan feedback?  should have never existed.  its not like Bioware asked us about it, oh no.  

Modifié par jeweledleah, 03 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[EvilMind]

Bioware is saying "We're not taking any actions, so here's a thread so you can talk it out and calm down"

Seriously what is there to listen to? We want proper endings that would fit ME series, what you promised to your fans. not this space magic crap you gave us...

If there wont be any DLC endings, then I doubt that too many constumers are going to buy ME4. Not after all lies, broken promises and crushed hopes in ME 3. Not to talk about seriously reconsidering buying any games you're developing

Modifié par EvilMind, 03 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
 you paid for the licends to play the game not the ownership of the content. Didnt you read the end licends agreement on the package?

Based on false promises. That could be misonstrued as false advertising.

Again no promises other than in your mind.

[Omnike]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know, you guys? we should have never said a single word of criticism about "Mass Effect Deception". after all its not our book, right? its not our story. how dare we point out the inconsistencies and discrepancies and contradictions? we didn't write it, we have no right to have an opinion on it other then "good job", let alone express it.

and Bioware should have never recalled it to be rewritten. should have just left it alone, after all what do fans know? oh and moreover, we should have been totally quiet about relationship options disparity, after all - if they decided that Shepard couldn't be gay, who are we to tell them otherwise? right?

every single piece of fan feedback?  should have never existed.  its not like Bioware asked us about it, oh no.  

Isn't it funny how quick they were to recall the book to fix the plot holes in that? But when it's their own writers, it's almost like they're afraid to admit they're wrong. But, it's their universe which means it's theirs to fill it with as much space magic as they see fit. We shouldn't go looking under rocks and being cry babies. 

[Thanatos144]

EvilMind wrote...

Bioware is saying "We're not taking any actions, so here's a thread so you can talk it out and calm down"

Seriously what is there to listen to? We want proper endings that would fit ME series, what you promised to your fans. not this space magic crap you gave us...

I want a million dollars and a car full of spending cash!!!!!! Think I should get it cause I demanded it?

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
 you paid for the licends to play the game not the ownership of the content. Didnt you read the end licends agreement on the package?

Based on false promises. That could be misonstrued as false advertising.

Again no promises other than in your mind.

Dude, don't even make me post the quotes that said otherwise again. 

[Thanatos144]

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
 you paid for the licends to play the game not the ownership of the content. Didnt you read the end licends agreement on the package?

Based on false promises. That could be misonstrued as false advertising.

Again no promises other than in your mind.

Dude, don't even make me post the quotes that said otherwise again. 

Dude post them all you want none was a promise but in your head.