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[Norrin_Radd]

Enomis Scorcher wrote...

Sometimes I think that the point is all about the Crucible....If I'm not wrong the word means something similar to a melting pot and so mybe the intended (canon) ending is the green one since any diversity, any individuality anything at all melts in a single big, new evolved civilization.

Still ending sucks even because looks a lot like a "resistance is futile!" issue!

I agree. I think the green ending is definitely the canonical ending. And probably the reason I liked the ending a lot.

I think all the fuss is really about people having a hard time dealing with letting Shepard go. But honestly, he has to go for the franchise to continue. There can't be a canonical version of Shepard in future Mass Effect titles, because the core of Shepard is different for each individual player. I don't even mean the big choices. I mean the little choices. Every little interaction in the game. I don't know about you guys, but with my 80% Renegade, a lot of times I had to sit and think, "Would my Shepard really do this?" If the answer was no, I wouldn't shoot the guy, or I wouldn't destroy an entire race. It didn't seem "In Character". But, if someone gve me some lip, I would bark them into submission. Just how my guy rolled.

How can the Mass Effect franchise possibly create a Shepard that is as nuanced and thoughtful as the one I played (even if he was a bastard). But, it makes a really wonderful ending to the trilogy, if it isn't\\wasn't a story about the reapers, as much as it was a story about you, the player, Shepard, and making it to the catalyst. The choices you make will always lead you to the ending of the game, but the path you take to get there is more nuanced, emotional and complex than any other game I've had the pleasure of playing. You don't get to choose to beat the reapers and save the day because in the end, the reapers, and their purpose are, and will always be "Beyond your comprehension".

No matter what ending you chose, the relays and the citadel can no longer be used. But all life in the galaxy will remain. It would make sense if the green ending was canon, since it involved ALL the species in the universe remaining. The future of the Mass Effect franchise can go anywhere, and every person's Shepard is the sole reason life was able to carry on.

I think it's effing brilliant.

Modifié par Norrin_Radd, 04 avril 2012 - 09:31 .

[IdTheDemon]

It's really such a shame how much potential the endings had. Can you imagine if we had 3 totally different endings and that they each had a little variety depending on the big story decisions from all 3 games? Even if one of the endings was the cliche "Shepard lives, big party on the Normandy" happy ending, that would have been our party on the Normandy and not everyone's would have been the same.

Another nice thing would have been some form of closure dealing with the 2 big species conflicts of ME 3 (The Krogan and the Geth/Quarians). If Wrex is in charge, Eve is saved and if Shepard truly cured Genophage, then we see that the Krogan are actually becoming somewhat "civil" on Tuchanka with women becoming powerful and cities actually being built. If I have Wreave in charge and Eve is dead, then the Krogan are still warlike and hint at plotting revenge against the other races. No matter what, we see Tuchanka, but Tuchanka based on our big choices.

Same thing with Rannoch. If Shepard ended the war in peace, then we see Quarians and Geth walking around together in a cyberpunk city in peace and the Quarians don't have masks. If Shepard chose the Quarians, then we see the same city (not as fancy without the Geth alive) but the Quarians still wear masks. If Shepard chose the Geth, then we get the fancy cyberpunk city but it lacks "life" as all we see are the Geth roaming around endlessly. No matter what, we see Rannoch but Rannoch based on our big choices.

But then again, this all would have been a nightmare to create. Having a bunch of different scenarios for endings based on key decisions would have no doubt been a pain to develop and would have easily pushed back the release date. But I think most gamers would have rather had the game come out a month or 2 later if it meant having something feel complete in the end. That's one thing you can say about Blizzard, Nintendo, and Rockstar Games. They will push back a game for a year or so if they have to (The Burning Crusade, Ocarina of Time and GTA IV had some big release date pushbacks) to make sure everything gets done. But then again these games came out before DLC became an option (Cept for GTA IV but they never used DLC to extend Niko's story, just added in new stories for new characters).

The end of Mass Effect 1 in a nutshell was "YEA, we killed Sovereign and Shepard just saved/sacrificed the Council. I am Commander Shepard, the first Human Spectre. WHAT!". The end of Mass Effect 2 in a nutshell was "YEA, we destroyed the Collectors and the Human Reaper, foiling Harbingers plan. I either told the Illusive Man to go screw himself or I gave him a source of amazing power. I'm still freaking Commander Shepard and I saved all of my squadmates. WHAT!". The end of Mass Effect 3 in a nutshell was "No matter what choices you made and no matter who you saved, you either destroy the Reapers along with all synthetics, control the Reapers, or fuse all organics and synthetics together. And no matter what, all Mass Relays are destroyed, slowing down galactic space travel significantly and hindering the recovery process".

[purplehaybusa]

Integration with the Geth Consensus.

[crashtec1]

Killing characters is an easy way out to end a story tbh. I find that the characters that died were convenient and found shepard's death unnecessary to end his/her arc (thane was already dying and mordin was pretty old, considering Salarian age).

The galaxy is huge, so even if Shepard lives, there's tons of stories to tell. Don't forget that Shepard is also human - the story can continue if Shepard lives anyway. How hard is it to import your ME3 character to the next installment just to have your character there, instead of Shepard manning a team on the Normandy, she/he could become an NPC, the ME universe needs someone to lead the humans now, with most of them dead. That being said, the ending(s) provided didn't completely suck, it was just plainly convenient and limited, which i find not up to your usual Bioware standards.

I also find that a lot of items were stripped from ME3 to give players the feel that everything was moving really really fast, the galaxy was in danger after all. No more exploration, no more hacking, no more safe cracking - which some people found annoying. Was it that hard to just have an auto button once you reach a certain level and at the same time benefit those who actually try? There was nothing much to do aside from flying around and blasting a probe to a pre-determined location. Side quests were also short and really uninteresting with recycled locations, characters with no personality and impact that only increases a number in your war assets. I believe this made the game shallow and made me believe that in every occasion i met a character i knew, it was fan service.

Speaking of characters, there should have been some answers as to why they'd disperse and not keep a single peep of contact with you. They knew what was at stake survived hell with Shepard, despite losing the Normandy to the Alliance, they should have had a plan of engagement prior to returning the ship. This didn't occur in ME2 where the transition from ME1 to ME2 was smooth, with the Normandy destroyed, prompting the reborn Shepard to find a new team or attempt to reassemble the old one.

Who is to blame for this though? I've noticed a severe drop in quality since DA 1 and ME1 with DA2 being horrible for me due to its recycled maps, locations, quests and designs. There was a lot of recycled bits in ME1 and DA, but the scale of the game was large enough to hide it - huge amounts of things to do, characters to interact with and huge amount of content that buried the impact of having recycled items in it. Considering i spent 128 hours on DA, 63 on ME1 and comparing that to 27 on ME3, its clear that a lot is missing from the game. Despite having the tone of a galaxy at war, you were pretty much stuck in a 4-story building for the entirety of the game. "Skyline?"

Playing Coop doesn't make sense once you finish the game as promoting your characters and getting battle readiness only benefits the single player if you haven't completed it. The coop infrastructure is P2P which is a problem on its own, seeing that i can't filter who i am connecting to. If latency becomes an issue during a game, i can see my character clipping through things, flying up in the air, become completely uncontrollable and even falling into the ground. All of which, i've experienced in at least 5-6 out of 20 games.

Also, theres too much "Security" in this game. I need to log into origin, connect to ea servers, verify my DLC through those servers then if i want to play a multiplayer game, connect to another player. Is it difficult to have authentication on one platform? Origin is already in place, at the very least verify my DLC via origin, since its installed and registered rather than have me connect to the internet to load a save game. I bought it, give me control of my own purchase! Unless of course, you don't want a returning customer.

On the PR side, releasing a paid DLC on day one is a PR nightmare. It's too bad that Bioware had to learn it the hard way. A lot of companies would probably take this into consideration now and Bioware made a mistake of releasing that DLC. All you needed to do was to release it a little later and you wouldn't have gotten rotten backlashes from owners. In fact, players would have appreciated new content that fast. That coupled with the disappointing endings (to most) may in fact destroy Bioware's reputation.

Now the question as to whether Bioware needs to make new endings for ME3 - They have to, they clearly need to end the arc and they need to end it properly. I would recommend buying the game to end the series, but by doing so now, it may end your series of buying Bioware products too, if they are not careful.

Questions worth asking:
Is this due to the promise you provided the community that you would listen to them, taking too many things into consideration with too many ideas to apply? Was the fan service really necessary to create a good game? Was it due to the game engine that was difficult to program on as previously mentioned (the reason you gave as to why modding wasn't an option)?

I'm not saying that ME3 was horrible, there were plenty of ups in the game as well, the combat system and inventory system was by far the best in the series but there's more to it than combat, Bioware.

[MoZedK]

Well then I will try as well.

First the game it self is good, I like Multiplayer and Single Player. Good Job.

Now the ending, well some of the ending I could live with if not it beeing an RPG game where Casey Hudson has sayed that you coises has a impact. Well the fact is, that is has no impact.
That is disapointing.
They problem is for me more then that, it seems that the writers dosent know what have happned befour and/or havent played the first 2 games.
I dont know if thats true but if it is not then they have made serious plot holes and made my Shepard a bit more unknowing from his last experince.

The RPG elements at the last peace of the game if lacking, why do I not have more dialog options, and choices.

Where is the things you have done that matters in the ending.

The boy why do he need to bee there, I dont know.
There is so mutch wierd in the ending that I am now just like why did I do it.
You sould in my opinion rewrite the ending.

I am fine with Shepard dies, that ok

To sum up.
Where is the Creativity
Where is the choises we made
How did you make this many plot holes.
Why is Shepard just a puppy now.
Why is the multiple endings.


If you make more games with the Mass Effect fanchise then be more like BW was in other games.
I have to say I have been let down by BW the last cubble of times with games, and hope you can correct that.
I have with your name beeing for me what it was, just bought your games becouse I knew that it meent Good to now where I dont know if I wanna buy the next one.

I dont care if your owned by EA as loong as BW stays BW as they where.

Modifié par MoZedK, 04 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[StillOverrated]

harrier25699 wrote...

I'm not sure BW would stoop that low tbh.

No, but EA probably would.

[dweomer]

My two problems with the ending are these:
After spending hundreds of hours throughout the trilogy, and the many playthroughs that entails, I was greatly dissapointed in the lack of options I was given. With all the effort I put into saving the galaxy, why did the Citadel and relays get destroyed? I had my War Assets and Readiness maxed out, yet it made no difference to the outcome. The universe was essentially destroyed. I felt as if it would have been better to just let the reapers win to preserve the Citadel/relays for the next cycle. Shepard's presumed death was also dissapointing for the above reasons. Why can't my Male!Shep build Tali a home on Rannoch or my Fem!Shep get hammered with Garrus?

I also really enjoyed ME3, and really, kudos to the team for making significant strides in the animation, game play, and everything else with each new title.  Lest we forget how many (EA) titles get put out with some new graphics and nothing else.

With that said, man, the ending was a joke and the antithesis of making persistent choices.  For one, as far as I can tell the specific war assets you aquire don't do anything except add numbers to your fleet strength.  It would have been great to see animations during the end sequence/battles that tied in with your war assets. 

As for the ending itself, even though I got to choose red, green, or blue, every choice led to the destruction of the mass relays.  This will completely change the face of the galaxy.  At the very least I'd like to know whether all the colonists on worlds that rely on shipments through mass relays all just die slowly of starvation.

[garytwine]

Archonsg wrote...

shonefob wrote...

And what if this DLC is huge. Maybe taking our created fleet across the galaxy wiping out the reapers one solar system at a time. Meeting new friends on the way. lol highly unlikely but a boy can hope for something we all know Bioware is capable of.

If this is so, it's a step towards regaining the use of my finger with the instant reaction to clicking the "pre-order now" button, everytime I see a new Bioware product.

But, as is, that finger is offline as far as Bioware/EA is concerned.

Good point. It was never a case of 'Should I pre-order' with Bioware games. Just a matter of fact. Now... I'm not so sure. Pre-order Mass Effect 4? Hmmm. I guess that will depend on what Bioware do with ME 3 DLC.

[Theronyll Itholien]

I really want to express my anger by the foul language I didn't mind throwing around at random 10 years ago, regarding the fact Bioware says they listen. I know, however, that if I do... they do indeed read and react to that with a ban. So I'll keep it civil.

500+ pages later and weeks after this thread was created, I'm now absolutely ABDOLUTELY certain the only reason this thread was created was to filter the "loudmouth nay-sayers" from the rest of the forum. Us making many topics regarding the retardedness wouldn't look good to the outside, now would it?

Insult to injury is what this thread is. I feel such a complete and utter f*cking fool for having given constructive feedback many paged back regarding that ridiculous atrocity they called an ending. "Yes, we are listening." Just pisses me off more and more and more and more every single day that passes by without Bioware even giving the occasional nod or "hm-hmm" as indicators they are listening and not instead contemplating what they're gonna have for dinner tonight.. ffs.

So Bioware! Did you read any of the constructive feedback your paying fans gave you.. or are you still completely oblivious to what the reasons are that we hate the ending? I'm gonna eat my own face if you still think it's because Shepard died and our weak will couldn't handle it.

[garytwine]

Enomis Scorcher wrote...

Sometimes I think that the point is all about the Crucible....If I'm not wrong the word means something similar to a melting pot and so mybe the intended (canon) ending is the green one since any diversity, any individuality anything at all melts in a single big, new evolved civilization.

Still ending sucks even because looks a lot like a "resistance is futile!" issue!

Lol, you're right. The ending feels like a cross between Star Trek First Contacts' 'Borg Queen' ( I am the Borg ) and the ending to 'Battlestar Galactica' where it appears that the humans of the Earth are all born of the 'Missing Link' half Cylon child skeleton, which they report on the news in the final scene.

That was actually a better ending than Mass Effect 3's.

[Ashram11]

I am very disapointed by the Ending, my Shepard worked so hard, I worked so hard, the Game was awesome, I enjoyed it a lot, but the Ending, I really want to see what happens to everyonne, especially, at least that was the ambition of my Shepard, to bring peace and to build a house and home with Tali on Rannoch, but no, three choices, different colour, Shepard is killed in each no matter what, that feels not like a reward for fighting so hard, but more like a punishment for even trying...

Good Job BW with ME3, bad Job on the Ending, please do something about it!

A loyal Player and Fan of all BW Games so far

Modifié par Ashram11, 04 avril 2012 - 12:19 .

[improperdancing]

garytwine wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

shonefob wrote...

And what if this DLC is huge. Maybe taking our created fleet across the galaxy wiping out the reapers one solar system at a time. Meeting new friends on the way. lol highly unlikely but a boy can hope for something we all know Bioware is capable of.

If this is so, it's a step towards regaining the use of my finger with the instant reaction to clicking the "pre-order now" button, everytime I see a new Bioware product.

But, as is, that finger is offline as far as Bioware/EA is concerned.

Good point. It was never a case of 'Should I pre-order' with Bioware games. Just a matter of fact. Now... I'm not so sure. Pre-order Mass Effect 4? Hmmm. I guess that will depend on what Bioware do with ME 3 DLC.

Well, after the whole Mass Effect 3 ordeal, I've learned not to pre-order future BioWare games.  Instead I think I'll wait for fan feedback before deciding to buy, or maybe buy used so BioWare/EA doesn't get a cut of the profit.

Congrats, BioWare.  You've essentially lost me as a customer unless the ending is legitimately changed (and for free), not just fleshed out (as fleshing out bad endings just means longer bad endings).

Modifié par improperdancing, 04 avril 2012 - 12:31 .

[Needsnewending]

Gotta love this guy on youtube.. This explains ALOT.. ****in rEApers!

[sfam]

So, um, Bioware is listening apparently, because they said they were. They just aren't ever going to interact or respond to anything they've listened to?

God, if only that worked on my wife! Unfortunately, it works just as well there as it does here - everyone ends up pissed because the other party has clearly tuned out.

[Thanatos144]

After catching up in here .....Bioware I sat stick to your guns. You can better explain the great ending for those who dont understand it but dont change it to satisfy this crowd. Stick to your story.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Thanatos144 wrote...

After catching up in here .....Bioware I sat stick to your guns. You can better explain the great ending for those who dont understand it but dont change it to satisfy this crowd. Stick to your story.

1. You didn't give a damn in the first place, or;
2. You didn't invest yourself in understanding the lore enough to know how crap the ending is.

If you want to refute this statement, explain to us why you think the ending was good. Do realize that no reply to this challenge or a "I just liked it." proves my point. Explain it.

There is nothing about the current ending that we do not understand. BUT that doesn't mean it makes sense! So instead of coming in here with your sanctimonious comment, tell us what makes you say the ending was great.

Modifié par Theronyll Itholien, 04 avril 2012 - 01:07 .

[Thanatos144]

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.

[Enomis Scorcher]

Ashram11 wrote...

I am very disapointed by the Ending, my Shepard worked so hard, I worked so hard, the Game was awesome, I enjoyed it a lot, but the Ending, I really want to see what happens to everyonne, especially, at least that was the ambition of my Shepard, to bring peace and to build a house and home with Tali on Rannoch, but no, three choices, different colour, Shepard is killed in each no matter what, that feels not like a reward for fighting so hard, but more like a punishment for even trying...

Good Job BW with ME3, bad Job on the Ending, please do something about it!

A loyal Player and Fan of all BW Games so far

Hell you just revealed the ending of BSG that I'm watching in these days..... and now?????

[Enomis Scorcher]

Ups... sorry my last post (and citation) was referred to garytwine not Ashram11 ...clicked on the wrong place I presume!

[Theronyll Itholien]

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.

Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.

[Ashram11]

Buy you a popsicle ;-)

[Thanatos144]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.

Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.

The ending is great cause it dramatical brings an end to Shepards story. Her/his story ends with heroics and with meaning.


Only the childish believes that because their expectations were to high that a company needs to change their product to meet it......

[jeweledleah]

http://tvtropes.org/...StupidSacrifice

http://tvtropes.org/...bBreakingItHero

I do believe the above tropes describe Mass Effect 3 ending nicely.

[rizuno]

Thanatos144 wrote...

After catching up in here .....Bioware I sat stick to your guns. You can better explain the great ending for those who dont understand it but dont change it to satisfy this crowd. Stick to your story.

This pisses me the F*** off.  Why do Fans of the Ending ALWAYS say that those of us that protest against it are Lesser Minds that cannot Comprehend the Majesty of It All?  IF the ending ISN'T Indoctrination Theory or some other gambit, and it is indeed (God help us all), real, then I get it.  IT'S NOT THAT WONDEROUS OR COMPLEX A CONCEPT.  

I.  Understand.  The.  Ending(s).  

I still HATE it with the fire of 10,000 suns.  If it remains unchanged, I will hate it 'till the day I die.  It's my opinion.  Lot's of people share it, others do not.  

Find a new "BioWare ur endings are wonderful those other people suck" wall to stand behind.

/rant

[JakeGamer1]

shonefob wrote...

So besides all the complaints about the ending I actually have a question. You know how ME3 was suppose to answer all our questions well it kinda created a new one. Who made the Space Child?

Well... when a reaper mommy and daddy love eachother and hate organics very much....