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Thanatos144 wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.


Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.


The ending is great cause it dramatical brings an end to Shepards story. Her/his story ends with heroics and with meaning.


Only the childish believes that because their expectations were to high that a company needs to change their product to meet it......


Explanation please. What do you mean by heroics and meaning?

And furthermore.. keep it civil, ok?

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Alisira wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.


Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.


The ending is great cause it dramatical brings an end to Shepards story. Her/his story ends with heroics and with meaning.


Only the childish believes that because their expectations were to high that a company needs to change their product to meet it......


Explanation please. What do you mean by heroics and meaning?

And furthermore.. keep it civil, ok?

You really need me to define that for you?

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rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

After catching up in here .....Bioware I sat stick to your guns. You can better explain the great ending for those who dont understand it but dont change it to satisfy this crowd. Stick to your story.


This pisses me the F*** off.  Why do Fans of the Ending ALWAYS say that those of us that protest against it are Lesser Minds that cannot Comprehend the Majesty of It All?  IF the ending ISN'T Indoctrination Theory or some other gambit, and it is indeed (God help us all), real, then I get it.  IT'S NOT THAT WONDEROUS OR COMPLEX A CONCEPT.  

I.  Understand.  The.  Ending(s).  

I still HATE it with the fire of 10,000 suns.  If it remains unchanged, I will hate it 'till the day I die.  It's my opinion.  Lot's of people share it, others do not.  

Find a new "BioWare ur endings are wonderful those other people suck" wall to stand behind.

/rant

Then hate it all you want.....Why should bioware change its story cause you dont like it????? Do you think your that important? While I am sure they are sorry you didnt enjoy their game they way they thought you would but why should they change their story to fit you?

By the way there are people who didnt understand the ending......

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Thanatos144 wrote...

 You really need me to define that for you?


I've read a lot of posts with good argumentation and explanation why people disliked the ending. However, so far most people who liked the ending will mostly write comments like

"The ending is great/has meaning. You are all *insert derogatory term of choice*"

So, yes, please, I would like to hear a definition.

Modifié par Alisira, 04 avril 2012 - 02:02 .


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Thanatos144 wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.


Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.


The ending is great cause it dramatical brings an end to Shepards story. Her/his story ends with heroics and with meaning.


Only the childish believes that because their expectations were to high that a company needs to change their product to meet it......


Dude you realize that is the whole idea being Consumerism and Capitolism right?  If a product is not liked by the consumer then the manufacturer needs to make changes or adaptations to bring that consumer back into the fold.  The biggest issue here is people are looking at this purely from an artistic perspective.  While that is a true and necessary perspective, the fact that it is a product that is meant to entertain its audience.  People seem to forget that we PAID for this because we wanted to enjoy it.  We were told that this would be the epic conclusion to the series, or at least Shepard's story.  It met that criteria and nothing else.  It was of epic proportions because the endings were horrific IN UNIVERSE as well as out of it.

There is a term known as inferred Holocuast.  This term is in reference to when a form of fiction ends in such a way that the events after would have led to even worse suffering and death.  When this is applied the story ends on the supposed high note just before the fall and refuses to acknowledge the fall.  This ending meets this even if you ignore the fact that in Arrival we discovered that an exploding relay would wipe out an entire system.

A. The citadel collapses on to Earth.  Each section of the citadel is larger than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and sent us into the Ice Age.

B. Krogan females were not with the forces that charged Earth.  This means that the krogan population is static here and will only go down not up, despite the fact they can live for 1000 years.  Another thing to consider is that only Wrex was successful in truly bringing the clans together.  This means that on Tuchanka they are likely to go back to warring, especially now that they can reproduce like rabbits again.

C.  The entire quarian flotilla is now trapped in the Sol system.  They are dextro lifeforms and thus unable to eat food that other races besides the turians can consume.  A vast majority of the turians are trapped there too.  This means that even if the liveships can produce enough dextro food for the quarians they would need to share excess rations with the turians.  However, it has been said before that quarians barely have enough rations for themselves in most cases.

D.  Assuming none of the above is of any consequence, you now have more or less all the major surviving numbers of each race concentrated in the Sol system unable to leave.  It has been established in Mass Effect that due to the sheer size that Humanity has grown to that resulted in them having to spread beyond Earth.  This means that there were few resources for one race much less 12+.

F.  The supposed 'good' ending is destroy which destroys all synthetics.  The star child even points out things like implants fall into this category.  Despite recently learning the geth are just victims and have just gained sentience they get wiped out.  EDI gets wiped out.  Anyone with a pacemaker will immediately suffer massive cardiac arrest and most likely die due to being unable to have their pacemaker repaired.  This also means the quarians and volus would most likely succumb too due to having their life support systems no longer function.  (This is debatable due to the fact that they aren't implants, but seeing as the beam doesn't discriminate between Reapers and anything else it is likely.)

There are plenty of other issues, including the entire Gilligan's Planet scenario, however I don't have enough time to continue typing them all.  If you ask me, the supposed 'heroics' that you claim Shepard's story ends with simply aren't there.  The fact remains that choosing any ending results in great amounts of death.  Prryhic victory is not heroism.  If you view it as such more power to you.  Just don't lead any troops into battle or make any decisions that affect the rest of us.

TL;DR Towards quote: yeah...no.

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NOW HEAR THIS…NOW HEAR THIS…THE TROLL IS BACK ON LINE…DO NOT…DO NOT… ENGAGE IN ARGUMENTS WITH HIM. HE’S BEEN TROLLING THIS THREAD FOR WEEKS. HE IS NOT INTERESTED INA RATIONAL DISCUSSION.

STOP FEEDING HIM.!!!!

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Benchpress610 wrote...

NOW HEAR THIS…NOW HEAR THIS…THE TROLL IS BACK ON LINE…DO NOT…DO NOT… ENGAGE IN ARGUMENTS WITH HIM. HE’S BEEN TROLLING THIS THREAD FOR WEEKS. HE IS NOT INTERESTED IN A RATIONAL DISCUSSION.

STOP FEEDING HIM.!!!!



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Alisira wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

 You really need me to define that for you?


I've read a lot of posts with good argumentation and explanation why people disliked the ending. However, so far most people who liked the ending will mostly write comments like

"The ending is great/has meaning. You are all *insert derogatory term of choice*"

So, yes, please, I would like to hear a definition.

sumed up the excuses for hatting ending is 1. Shepard dies (thats the biggest reason)

2 Relys blow up.

3 They didnt understand it.

As for the heroic section when Shepard reaches the end she/he realizes he/she wont be coming back and still goes forward even when it is easier to jyust sit there like coward or run like many here wish she/he did. The meaning? It is that in the end it was organic life that turned out to be the problem not synthetic. How in thier arrogance in thinking they can turn back the clock by commiting genocide.

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JakeGamer1 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you think so then go right ahead. I happen to have played all three...I have spent countless hours in it.


Well, then you wouldn't have a problem explaining why you think the ending was great. I'm interested. I'm sure most people are.

If you cannot answer that simple question, eiter point 1, point 2 or point 3 applies to you.

3. You actually didn't think it was all that great, but still believe in the immature delusion that disagreeing with the majority is a sign of intellectual superiority or you just like the sense of provocation by throwing oil to the fire.


The ending is great cause it dramatical brings an end to Shepards story. Her/his story ends with heroics and with meaning.


Only the childish believes that because their expectations were to high that a company needs to change their product to meet it......


Dude you realize that is the whole idea being Consumerism and Capitolism right?  If a product is not liked by the consumer then the manufacturer needs to make changes or adaptations to bring that consumer back into the fold.  The biggest issue here is people are looking at this purely from an artistic perspective.  While that is a true and necessary perspective, the fact that it is a product that is meant to entertain its audience.  People seem to forget that we PAID for this because we wanted to enjoy it.  We were told that this would be the epic conclusion to the series, or at least Shepard's story.  It met that criteria and nothing else.  It was of epic proportions because the endings were horrific IN UNIVERSE as well as out of it.

There is a term known as inferred Holocuast.  This term is in reference to when a form of fiction ends in such a way that the events after would have led to even worse suffering and death.  When this is applied the story ends on the supposed high note just before the fall and refuses to acknowledge the fall.  This ending meets this even if you ignore the fact that in Arrival we discovered that an exploding relay would wipe out an entire system.

A. The citadel collapses on to Earth.  Each section of the citadel is larger than the asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs and sent us into the Ice Age.

B. Krogan females were not with the forces that charged Earth.  This means that the krogan population is static here and will only go down not up, despite the fact they can live for 1000 years.  Another thing to consider is that only Wrex was successful in truly bringing the clans together.  This means that on Tuchanka they are likely to go back to warring, especially now that they can reproduce like rabbits again.

C.  The entire quarian flotilla is now trapped in the Sol system.  They are dextro lifeforms and thus unable to eat food that other races besides the turians can consume.  A vast majority of the turians are trapped there too.  This means that even if the liveships can produce enough dextro food for the quarians they would need to share excess rations with the turians.  However, it has been said before that quarians barely have enough rations for themselves in most cases.

D.  Assuming none of the above is of any consequence, you now have more or less all the major surviving numbers of each race concentrated in the Sol system unable to leave.  It has been established in Mass Effect that due to the sheer size that Humanity has grown to that resulted in them having to spread beyond Earth.  This means that there were few resources for one race much less 12+.

F.  The supposed 'good' ending is destroy which destroys all synthetics.  The star child even points out things like implants fall into this category.  Despite recently learning the geth are just victims and have just gained sentience they get wiped out.  EDI gets wiped out.  Anyone with a pacemaker will immediately suffer massive cardiac arrest and most likely die due to being unable to have their pacemaker repaired.  This also means the quarians and volus would most likely succumb too due to having their life support systems no longer function.  (This is debatable due to the fact that they aren't implants, but seeing as the beam doesn't discriminate between Reapers and anything else it is likely.)

There are plenty of other issues, including the entire Gilligan's Planet scenario, however I don't have enough time to continue typing them all.  If you ask me, the supposed 'heroics' that you claim Shepard's story ends with simply aren't there.  The fact remains that choosing any ending results in great amounts of death.  Prryhic victory is not heroism.  If you view it as such more power to you.  Just don't lead any troops into battle or make any decisions that affect the rest of us.

TL;DR Towards quote: yeah...no.

All that boils dont to you not knowing......So what? Maybe they will explain maybe not it doesnt matter cause the story was about Shepard.

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Waking up next to Aria? And Liara's Dad? Wow I musta missed quite a bit playing through!

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Benchpress610 wrote...

NOW HEAR THIS…NOW HEAR THIS…THE TROLL IS BACK ON LINE…DO NOT…DO NOT… ENGAGE IN ARGUMENTS WITH HIM. HE’S BEEN TROLLING THIS THREAD FOR WEEKS. HE IS NOT INTERESTED INA RATIONAL DISCUSSION.

STOP FEEDING HIM.!!!!

Translation "Please stop this person from speaking his mind cause I dont like it!!!!!!"


Who is the troll again?

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After finishing my 7th playthrough in ME3 yesterday I think I know the 17 different endings by now. The different endings are the various teammates who exit the Normandy in the end right? I mean it IS different -.-

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TsubakiYayoi wrote...

After finishing my 7th playthrough in ME3 yesterday I think I know the 17 different endings by now. The different endings are the various teammates who exit the Normandy in the end right? I mean it IS different -.-

Do you sleep? 7 times???????Holy crap! How do you not get bored with the hub missions?

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Lets just point out a part what one select fan of the endings posted and ignore the childish attempst at starting a flame war.I th it says a lot.

"Only the childish believe that because their expectations were too high"

To me this is why Bioware and EA have even attempted something like this. To me it says they think that video game customers are one half sci-fi nerd and the other half is composed of idiots drinking Mountain Dew game fuel. They might not be to far off on that either. I know the gaming industry is not the highest standard of story telling but why can’t it be?

That's what is really sad about this; Bioware was one of the companies that when you bought their games you knew you would get a great story out of it. It may not have all the Gears of War & Modern Warfare action but you knew the story Bioware would put out would be captivating and intelligent. So our expectations now need to lower and be okay with Bioware selling out its artistic integrity from their original concept of the game.  Why? Because the standard of video game story telling is not really that high? It's about money?

Pretend if the original Star Wars trilogy built up this concept with Darth Vader being Luke’s father and the Galactic Rebellion vs. the Empire then in the last moment of Return of the Jedi the emperor says no I'm really your father and then tells Luke has to jump into the Death Star and kill himself to save the universe because the Galactic Rebellion is really the problem not the Empire. 

If George Lucas had made the Star Wars trilogy this way and said his reason for it was to make the ending thought provoking with a twist he would be laughed out of the movie industry. Which maybe would have been a good thing because we would never have had to see the prequels...

All I ask it for Bioware to hold true to their previous standard of story telling for what they had planned with Mass Effect in the beginning. Dark Energy. Whatever. Just stick to your guns.

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TsubakiYayoi wrote...

After finishing my 7th playthrough in ME3 yesterday I think I know the 17 different endings by now. The different endings are the various teammates who exit the Normandy in the end right? I mean it IS different -.-

So true.

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It just seems that the Darke energy route is the simplest out maybe even if you could incorporate through the indoctrination theory then it seems most of the issues are resolved.

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Thanatos144 wrote...

TsubakiYayoi wrote...

After finishing my 7th playthrough in ME3 yesterday I think I know the 17 different endings by now. The different endings are the various teammates who exit the Normandy in the end right? I mean it IS different -.-

Do you sleep? 7 times???????Holy crap! How do you not get bored with the hub missions?


Thats the best part I skipped nothing and did everything. I think my subconcious says come on get everything to Level X and buy everything so that all your chars are ready for the epic alternate ending that Bioware is currently  working on.
Yeah yeah keep dreaming T`Soni -.-

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nyah, the best part is when I skipped everything but priority missions (so entire playthrough took me 10 hours, tops) and STILL got those same 3 endings, complete with Liara flashback, even though my Shepard's LI was Steve Cortez.

your choices matter ya'll.

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Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

After catching up in here .....Bioware I sat stick to your guns. You can better explain the great ending for those who dont understand it but dont change it to satisfy this crowd. Stick to your story.


This pisses me the F*** off.  Why do Fans of the Ending ALWAYS say that those of us that protest against it are Lesser Minds that cannot Comprehend the Majesty of It All?  IF the ending ISN'T Indoctrination Theory or some other gambit, and it is indeed (God help us all), real, then I get it.  IT'S NOT THAT WONDEROUS OR COMPLEX A CONCEPT.  

I.  Understand.  The.  Ending(s).  

I still HATE it with the fire of 10,000 suns.  If it remains unchanged, I will hate it 'till the day I die.  It's my opinion.  Lot's of people share it, others do not.  

Find a new "BioWare ur endings are wonderful those other people suck" wall to stand behind.

/rant

Then hate it all you want.....Why should bioware change its story cause you dont like it????? Do you think your that important? While I am sure they are sorry you didnt enjoy their game they way they thought you would but why should they change their story to fit you?

By the way there are people who didnt understand the ending......


I'm don't want them to change their story to fit me, I want the ending of options and choices that they PROMISED ME THAT I WOULD RECEIVE.  ME is a franchise built on the premise of gamer choice and to throw that out the window in the last 15 minutes of the final (is it final? herm.) game is an evil WEB OF LIES.  

I did enjoy the game.  I love it.  You wanna kill my Shepard, fine.  You wanna have Shepard blow up the galaxy?  Fine.  But at least have the decency to make it my choice.  

I have never heard a single person in this "i hate the endings hear me rawr" movement who has said, I do not understand what control, destruction or synthesis means, or the color-coded explosions that ensue.  

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Thanatos144 wrote...

Alisira wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

 You really need me to define that for you?


I've read a lot of posts with good argumentation and explanation why people disliked the ending. However, so far most people who liked the ending will mostly write comments like

"The ending is great/has meaning. You are all *insert derogatory term of choice*"

So, yes, please, I would like to hear a definition.

sumed up the excuses for hatting ending is 1. Shepard dies (thats the biggest reason)

2 Relys blow up.

3 They didnt understand it.

As for the heroic section when Shepard reaches the end she/he realizes he/she wont be coming back and still goes forward even when it is easier to jyust sit there like coward or run like many here wish she/he did. The meaning? It is that in the end it was organic life that turned out to be the problem not synthetic. How in thier arrogance in thinking they can turn back the clock by commiting genocide.


It is that in the end it was organic life that turned out to be the problem not synthetic. How in thier arrogance in thinking they can turn back the clock by commiting genocide.

Can you please explain, with some examples, what this means? I'm not trying to cause a fight - its just I am a very intelligent and creative person. I have degrees and a vast portfolio of work to back this up. I would just like to know what elements from the series you can use to make this statement valid, because this is in no way related to the actual themes that have run through the entire series. At all.

Oh, and in the end Shpeard did commit mass genocide by destroying the relays and the citadel. Trillions upon trillions dead as well as worlds destroyed. Even the reapers, on their best cycle, could get no where near this figure.

Modifié par Leem_0001, 04 avril 2012 - 02:58 .


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Finished a while ago, not really hating the end, but not loving it neither.

Each one his opinion, and each one his right to complain, here is mine.

I actually never, really never expected that a child in the end would be the Catalyst, ok Shepard is maybe dreaming, and the child is for him a way to express his feelings about chaos in Earth, from the beginning, in his dreams, and in the end. That state of unconsciousness make also that weird confrontation between Anderson and the Illusive Man.

It could also explain why his outfit change, why we don't see the partners we picked, because this is just not really happening.

The fact is, what the **** happenned about the Dark Energy matter ? And why Harbinger is finally just a guest, when that thing is clearly the whole menace by Mass Effect 2 with the Collectors. Same as the mass relays, why it have to explose ?

About the choices we made throught ME1 and ME2, some really make the difference in ME3 (genophage, peace between Geth and Quarian, it's just the end that actually don't fit what Casey said, there is no difference in the ending, not even considering the various colors.

As some people, i really don't understand why that child come out of nowhere, explaining thing that is not even the purpose of the Reapers, since the beginning, as i don't understand why Shepard just listen to that kiddo not even arguing, about all he discovered throught his epic story. I don't even wanna talk about Joker escaping away with the crew (precisely the one you picked that followed you TO THE BEAM), that's just out of place.

Despite all this, i still loved the game, gave me chills, Mordin sacrifice, Grunt heroic moment, peace between Geth and Quarian and the sad death of Legion, Thane avoiding the murder coup of Leng (and that SOB Udina, finally i can kill him), really a lot of enjoyable scenes. Just too bad the end is too much wide open for the imagination, but i knew with that lame pop up in the end that DLC wll be out, changing the end i don't think so sadly, i was more thinking they will do it for the Assets :/

I'm really fifty/fifty, expected a better closure for maybe the best trilogy in video games, which i played for hundred of hours. Well done Bioware. Can't deny this, even if i can understand the main frustration of fanbase majority.

I apologize if my english is basic, french here.

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 I loved mass effect 3 bioware did a great job but the ending was frustrating no boss battle?no paragon ending where shepard and anderson make it?shepard gets ditched by crew.no getting to explore the ship after the game like in two...T_T 

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Thanatos144 wrote...

Alisira wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

 You really need me to define that for you?


I've read a lot of posts with good argumentation and explanation why people disliked the ending. However, so far most people who liked the ending will mostly write comments like

"The ending is great/has meaning. You are all *insert derogatory term of choice*"

So, yes, please, I would like to hear a definition.

sumed up the excuses for hatting ending is 1. Shepard dies (thats the biggest reason)

2 Relys blow up.

3 They didnt understand it.

As for the heroic section when Shepard reaches the end she/he realizes he/she wont be coming back and still goes forward even when it is easier to jyust sit there like coward or run like many here wish she/he did. The meaning? It is that in the end it was organic life that turned out to be the problem not synthetic. How in thier arrogance in thinking they can turn back the clock by commiting genocide.


So, you are like "oh my god , it ended". You love the ending just for the sake of ending? I think shepards mission was to save the galaxy, and how did he save it? by blowing up the mass relay...  just play ARRIVAL DLC to know what happens when a mass relay is destroyed. And In my ending shepad lives , breathing in the middle of some rubble.. so the citadel is destroyed and you think he somehow landed on earth? . Bring some logic man. And if you are happy then dont buy or download if any alternate ending dlc is ever released. simple.  

Modifié par xaurabh123, 04 avril 2012 - 03:21 .


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Don't any of you read or comprehend what you read? Are you so blind to any other opinion other than your tantrum? can we get passed the stupidity of some thinking they are owed something cause a person said in a interview what they wanted to do? Grow the hell up. Dont like the ending? so what? I dont like the way many things ended but I dont demand they change cause I bought the book or a ticket to the movie. Dont give me that it is different cause it is interactive ether.

I understand many wanting clarification of things but am not with the few childish who want it all changed cause they didnt like how it all ended up.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 04 avril 2012 - 03:33 .


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