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[Captain Pat]

Before I voice my thoughts on the ending, I'd like to point out that many of us are very aware of Chris Priestly attempting to redirect the discussion of a thread clearly labeled "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening." by asking about our favorite moment(s).

Favorite moment? Very well Mr. Priestly--I'll play along.

My favorite moment is when Bioware made great games with great writing throughout.

My favorite moment is when Bioware wasn't yet indoctrinated by EA (Yes, pun VERY intended) as just another cash cow.

My favorite moment is when Bioware did more than just raise the bar for storytelling in games, but were true works of art in every sense of the word.

Once upon a time, I was truly inspired by Bioware. They were a huge part of my choice to study English Literature at the University of Oregon. I even cited Baldur's Gate II and Neverwinter Nights in one of my essays on American Literature despite the condescending snickering of my professors.

But to end such an epic series... like this?

http://s9.postimage....n71nknj/abc.png

I am ashamed.

I am ashamed I considered applying for a writing position at Bioware Austin... also, that joke... how does it go...Dragon Age II? That didn't help either.

You're better than this, Bioware. I hope you guys realize that some of us haven't given up on you despite the EA buyout... but it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so. My only hope is that the supposed "ending" is a dream sequence or something because much of it just doesn't make sense (e.g. Joker leaving, absolutely no use for fleet assets, etc).

However, if we need to pay for DLC for the "real" ending... that is just... so wrong. Good idea EA! *golf clap*

Melodrama aside, does anyone else find it glaringly ironic that Mr. Priestly's avatar is... The Illusive Man? Is this a reference to something I'm not aware of?

*EDIT*

Haha! I hadn't yet read anything on the forums before posting this... but I just came across the "Indoctrination Theory." This definitely supports my hope of the ending being a dream... very clever Bioware... but that doesn't make up for Dragon Age II!

So, when does ME 4 come out? If we give up hope... we have nothing, as it were. Now, the only problem is what to do with the people that chose the "synthesis" and "control" endings... hmm...

Those of you that don't know what I'm refering to by "Indoctrination Theory," Check this out:

Modifié par Captain Pat, 05 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[RealStyli]

Kain82 wrote...

Fbh wrote...

Just finished it.

Wow, the ending sucked. Plus my choiced have no effect at all on the story and "all" the differen endings are little more than explosions of a different color.
It really feels like the poeple who wrote the ending are not the one who wrote the whole ME story.
The ending made no sense at all, had a lot of plot holes and it felt like bioware didn't know what to do so they just gave us some **** they made up for the last 5 min with a very vague explanation and that had no relation with everything else in the mass effect univers, 3 games and over 90 hours of gameplay

yep. I finished it saturday and I'm still crushed. no happy ending that we deserve after spending 60+ hours per game..

It's funny. When I first finished it, I thought it was okay... It was only after doing all three endings that I felt a bit cheated. When I read that your war assets don't actually affect the ending in any real way beyond the few seconds of Shep alive, I felt even more cheated. Then, as I thought about it more and more, I realised that it actually makes no sense in the context of the Mass Effect trilogy unless everything after being shot by Harbinger is a dream/hallucination. In which case, the game isn't finished. That's how I now see it.

[balance5050]

Indoctrination theory and make the crucible a big friggen gun that you use to kill Harbinger

[Irony027]

The ending to ME3 was, in my opinion, unsatisfying. If the ending is setting the stage for ME4 that's one thing but ME3 is supposed to be the end of a trilogy so in accordance with that idea in mind I wanted closure. Does Shepard die? Does Anderson die or is he just unconscious? What the heck happened to the medi-gel I still had when I was hit by the reaper beam? Did the squad mates I have with me when running and try to make it to the portal to the citadel die or do they survive? If no matter what choice is made at the end of ME3 the mass relays are destroyed, how are the allies that have gathered from across the galaxy to take back Earth supposed to get home? Earth is in ruins and I doubt it would be able to sustain the number of troops Shepard brings with him/her to liberate it. Not to mention the Turians and Quarians who can't eat human food and would starve unless the Quarians brought there food producing life ships which is unlikely as they would probably be needed at Rannoch to get farms and other things started. Then there's Joker flying the Normandy away from the battle in every ending. I get it if it's the "destroy all synthetic life" option but it doesn't make sense for the other endings. Why can't I ask the Catalyst the questions I want to ask like what about a fourth option that destroys the reapers and not the Geth where Shepard doesn't die and the Citadel remains intact? I was almost entirely paragon, I want a happy ending, damn it.

The Indoctrination Theory is interesting and does make some sense.

In the event of an expansion pack the theory would make room to leave some of the original ending intact and either start as a new character because Shepard has been indoctrinated or to continue playing as Shepard and finish what he/she started. This to me seems like the best option to fix the ending and give an expansion a firm place to start.

In the Event of an expantion pack and having to start a new character it would be cool to have the option to pick something other than human. It would have to be one of the races that followed Shepard to Earth. So for instance if you chose to save Jondum Bau instead of the Hanar home world you won't be able to chose to be a Drell, similarly if you chose to let Legion wipe out the Quarians, the Quarian race will be unplayable, and vice versa.

That being said, I loved the game over all, except of course the ending.  Bioware really droped the ball.
My favorite moments were when the Thresher Maw takes down the reaper on Tuchanka, Wrex in general, Garus in general, Garus and Joker telling jokes to each other about humans and Turians, Kai Lengs Death, "I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my favorite spot on the Citadel", Tali Drunk, Joker and Edi, killing the Reaper on Rannoch. I'm probably missing a few.
Ironically, of Thane, Mordin, and Legion's deaths, I only got teary eyed when Legion Sacrifices himself to give his people true sentience. They were each amazing moments in story telling.
I miss Legion.
Now I'm going to have to go back and play ME2 again.

Modifié par Irony027, 05 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[jeweledleah]

was this posted yet? thought it was fascinating

http://www.ibtimes.c...ale-femshep.htm

[Evan Yeung]

You know, this reminds me of a time when I was on the Neverwinter Nights Persistent World "Ravenloft: Prisoners of the Mist". One of my characters that I had invested a great deal of time and effort into was 'guided' by another player and at DM into making a choice that had no good options. I eventually gained some perspective on that, but at the time I wrote a long and impassioned essay to the DM, and for weeks I was more upset about it than I'd like to admit.

In Mass Effect, we've guided our Shepard through 100+ hours and invested time and emotional energy into this character. For many of us, this is OUR Shepard and there may be more than a little of us in our portrayal of who Shepard is.

I'm not crushed by the Bioware ending, but I am disappointed. It could have been so much more. Something fitting for the end of the Mass Effect trilogy. Instead, we're all left scratching our heads and wondering 'huh?" instead of turning to each other and saying "wow... that was completely incredible."

I hope bioware can pull a fat rabbit out of its hat at PAX. Otherwise, my Mass Effect experience ends not with a bang, but with a whimper...

[RealStyli]

Irony027 wrote...
That being said, I loved the game over all, except of course the ending.  Bioware really droped the ball.
My favorite moments were when the Thresher Maw takes down the reaper on Tuchanka, Wrex in general, Garus in general, Garus and Joker telling jokes to each other about humans and Turians, Kai Lengs Death, "I'm Garrus Vakarian and this is my favorite spot on the Citadel", Tali Drunk, Joker and Edi, killing the Reaper on Rannoch. I'm probably missing a few.
 

I just remembered a funny bit in my play through. I didn't romance Tali in any game and at some point after I finished the Paramour achievement and Ranoch, in Garrus' area at the back of the Crew Deck, I walked in on him and Tali making out! I seriously laughed out loud at that. I can't believe I had forgotten about that until now.

[Disciple888]

ending sux

not really much more to say at this point. fix it. make choices matter. don't riddle it with swiss cheese logic. be actually creative, instead of biting (badly) other sci-fi writers (asimov).

[Ira Deorum]

[Benchpress610]

jeweledleah wrote...

was this posted yet? thought it was fascinating

http://www.ibtimes.c...ale-femshep.htm

Wow, Jen Hale in denial and disapointed with the ending. the wall of silence is cracking.

[Omnike]

jeweledleah wrote...

was this posted yet? thought it was fascinating

http://www.ibtimes.c...ale-femshep.htm

More power to us, I suppose. It's kind of hurts to think that they haven't contacted her about reading more lines, which leads me to think that this ending might actually be the ending, and the DLC is just a stupid epilogue.

[Captain Pat]

*Spoiler Alert*

I'm convinced the "ending" was just another dream sequence. It'll all make sense soon enough.

I applaud Bioware for keeping their calm in spite of all the flaming.

Modifié par Captain Pat, 05 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[wsandista]

Captain Pat wrote...

Before I voice my thoughts on the ending, I'd like to point out that many of us are very aware of Chris Priestly attempting to redirect the discussion of a thread clearly labeled "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening." by asking about our favorite moment(s).

Favorite moment? Very well Mr. Priestly--I'll play along.

My favorite moment is when Bioware made great games with great writing throughout.

My favorite moment is when Bioware wasn't yet indoctrinated by EA (Yes, pun VERY intended) as just another cash cow.

My favorite moment is when Bioware did more than just raise the bar for storytelling in games, but were true works of art in every sense of the word.

Once upon a time, I was truly inspired by Bioware. They were a huge part of my choice to study English Literature at the University of Oregon. I even cited Baldur's Gate II and Neverwinter Nights in one of my essays on American Literature despite the condescending snickering of my professors.

But to end such an epic series... like this?

http://s9.postimage....n71nknj/abc.png

I am ashamed.

I am ashamed I considered applying for a writing position at Bioware Austin... also, that joke... how does it go...Dragon Age II? That didn't help either.

You're better than this, Bioware. I hope you guys realize that some of us haven't given up on you despite the EA buyout... but it is becoming increasingly difficult to do so. My only hope is that the supposed "ending" is a dream sequence or something because much of it just doesn't make sense (e.g. Joker leaving, absolutely no use for fleet assets, etc).

However, if we need to pay for DLC for the "real" ending... that is just... so wrong. Good idea EA! *golf clap*

Melodrama aside, does anyone else find it glaringly ironic that Mr. Priestly's avatar is... The Illusive Man? Is this a reference to something I'm not aware of?

*EDIT*

Haha! I hadn't yet read anything on the forums before posting this... but I just came across the "Indoctrination Theory." This definitely supports my hope of the ending being a dream... very clever Bioware... but that doesn't make up for Dragon Age II!

So, when does ME 4 come out? If we give up hope... we have nothing, as it were. Now, the only problem is what to do with the people that chose the "synthesis" and "control" endings... hmm...

Those of you that don't know what I'm refering to by "Indoctrination Theory," Check this out:

This can not be said enough times.

[akenn312]

The amazing writing and execution of this... the Soverign conversation



To the great ending forshadowing of this.. the Mass Effect 2 harbinger threat. 



To now the thing that we know as the star child conversation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6kZuSHpWwo


Maybe the real answer to all these posts and speculation is...this was the best Bioware could do with Mass Effect 3 in the time allotted. This is what they ended up with and it's not all about total corporate influence and dileberate ways forsaking the fan base, maybe its a mix of everything, maybe this type of story is extremely too hard for a company with only two years after the second game to make a good resolution.

I'm disappointed because I feel that if they didn't have the corporate EA possibly breathing down their necks to get this story out to make money, they might have been able to really take care of the original vision or new vision better than what they planed. I can even see how the sloppily made the Star Child could have worked if they had more time to think it out. Or even think out the several other possible plot lines more to make sure they had the right one for the end of the story.

In the end I still say that if you need more time to create no matter what pressure is there you need to hold to your artistic integrity and not compromise just to hit a deadline. It's still just sad to me. After listening to the first Sovereign conversation. How they could have really made this a memorable positive experience rather than the current negative one. Really unfortunate time right now. 

Modifié par akenn312, 05 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[knection]

Marauder Sheilds wants a different ending

hold the line

[jeweledleah]

Omnike wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

was this posted yet? thought it was fascinating

http://www.ibtimes.c...ale-femshep.htm

More power to us, I suppose. It's kind of hurts to think that they haven't contacted her about reading more lines, which leads me to think that this ending might actually be the ending, and the DLC is just a stupid epilogue.

yet.  its also possible that she's just under regular contract with bioware for future DLC and they haven't mentioned anything specific, hence she doesn't know.

I'm grasping at straws here, I know.

I do think that they are going to attempt to pass on the epilogue onto players.

but think about it this way.  Broken steel, fallout 3 DLC that changed the ending?  was the third DLC released chronologicaly.  so.  its quite possible that they may end up thinking that lcarity is all we need.  and then once new DLC's start to come out and have weak sales?  realize that maybe "clarity" is not good enough.

you know.

[rrtda]

sure your listening to our complaints but your not going to to a damn thing about it

[rrtda]

over 16 endings huh?

[petroxg]

Before I voice my opinions and suggestions, I would like to say that I was a very reluctant gamer to play any of the ME series game up until about one and a half years ago due to 1 single reason - I hate playing FPS game with a vengeance which ME series look very much like. The only types of game I love to play are RPG, MMO or RTS. It was my brother many attempts to convince me how epic the storyline and the RPG side of ME series plus a free gift of ME2 & DLC from him that I finally gave it a shot. To my surprise, the storyline and RPG side of the ME series was as good as he claimed. I came from don't give a damn about ME series to a fan. I also went as far as pre-order ME3 (which I have never ever done to any single game in my life before). I hope this helps to make ME team that created these masterpiece games to feel better of what they have achieved.

ME3, in my opinion, like many fans already have said repeatedly is overall a very enjoyable and epic game up until the very unsatisfying ending. That pretty much sum up my overall opinion of the game. As for the rest of my opinions and suggestions, I can't speak for everyone else nor do I want to assume if anyone will agree with me.

(1)Let me start with Bioware response to the many negative feedback and response from fans about the ending. I understand the fan response is a huge blow to the ME3 team that created this masterpiece and is painful as Bioware Co-founder had stated. I believe no body after spending so much time, energy and effort on their work or end product only to receive many negative feedbacks or criticism. I believe many of us fans are also working professionals and probably one way or another had experienced that in our life. We all make mistake, no one is perfect. I understand that. However, I will ONLY be understanding about Bioware response if you are truly sincere about the about you realizing not delivering the kind of closure to the ME series fans would like to see or come to expect.

(2)Please Do Not respond back with messages such as Critics gave ME3 high rating or they are other fans with positive feedback. I think that only make the already not so happy fans more upset. To me, that does not accomplish anything. Critics in my opinion are not like the majority of the fans that gave so much time and energy into the ME series. To Critics it is just another game for them to review, to fans we selective choose to play only a few games we have come to love and really hold on to them. I don’t remember ever choose a game to play based on Critics rating (their comment for the most part has no value or meaning to me). I only choose to play a game because I like the game.

(3)If Bioware elect to not make any changes, then so be it. I will just accept it, I will be a very unhappy fan and customer but I am adult, I can handle it. As for the rest of what I will do, I will keep it to myself.

(4)If Bioware will add additional closure to ME3 ending, I would rather you take your time to make it right the first time. Please Do Not rushes the alternate ending or ending DLC that hardly make a difference to the existing ending.

(5)If Bioware will make changes to the ending with DLC. Please make them significantly different so that all of our choices make in ME, ME2 and through the game of ME3 actually make a difference for the ending. I am pretty sure a lot of fans already mention this, I am just another one added on top of them.

(6)Also please provide both good and bad ending available, all ending with mass relay destroyed and Shepard killed on all ending doesn’t exactly qualify a good ending. As I stated in (5), it makes the things and decision made in ME1 – ME3 make no difference at all, then why do I even bother to have the choices of making many decisions through my ME series play-through if the ending will all resulted in almost the same for ME conclusion?

Thanks for listening.

[MWMike2011]

If you are listening, then how about giving us a little more solid information about the DLC that's forthcoming instead of just this "shortly," "soon," "asap" bs that we keep getting. I don't want to know what happens, I want to find that out for myself. I just what to know WHEN we will find out. Please stop sidestepping this and just give us something. I think we've earned that. I'm not trying to be disrespectful, but this is getting ridiculous. I can understand if you guys are trying to stay mum about it and stop any leaks, but please, just give us SOMETHING. I just want to know when I can find out something is coming. I don't care if you change the ending, I don't care if you charge us, I don't care what you guys are planning. Just tell us what it is going to be so that we can have our closure and move on to b!tching about something else. Or at least waiting for the next bunch of DLC.

And I really hope that you guys don't decide to just reveal multiplayer DLC instead of ending DLC, because then your fans will probably lose all faith. I'm planning on sticking with you guys, even after this, but that might cause me to lose faith. Thanks!

Modifié par MWMike2011, 05 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[ALGuy]

knection wrote...

Marauder Sheilds wants a different ending

hold the line

Ha! That is funny! Marauder Shields is right!!!!

I wanted to make a comment about this argument that the FTL drives are enough to return the fleets home.
Practical math show the FTL drives are not enough to prevent the fleets from being stranded around Earth. FTL can travel 12 light years per day.
It would take 22.83 years to travel 100,000 light years. The Milky way which is 100,000 - 120,000 light years across. To go 1/20th of the way across would take 1.14 YEARS  of FTL STRAIGHT without stopping.
How much fuel can these ships carry to get to the next cluster which is where the fuel depots are? Even then the mass relays exploded which would have destroyed the fuel depots. Please don't say the depots were all over because a galaxy that used mass relays would have put them around the relays and not dotted throughout wide expanses of the galaxy. Based on how quickly the Normandy's fuel ran out and how much time elapsed in total years for Shepard's story these ships are stuck. They can not carry enough of the rare element zero to get home. Captain Anderson "The Mass Relays make INTER-STELLAR travel possible."

Without changing the ending this IP is dead.   

[Fihtengolz]

Well, 3 years i was going to the victory, uniting other races. I united geth and quarians, the creatures and creators will live together now, geth are helping them. So, I proved, that chaos can be broken. I don't need any solution, cause there is no problem! Shepard elliminated the conflict, sinthetics and organics fighting together in my war. EDI helped me all the game, so... I think, Shepard could explain this to Catalyst. I suspected, that the only way Shepard can stop the reapers, to sacrifice himself. But, as I sad, i've done everything to breake the chaos, i think there must be a solution to stop the Reapers, Catalyst must understand this.
And I want to see more about the characters i played 3 years with! Damn, guys from Bioware, you created the amazing universe with amazing Shepard's team!!! Liara, Ash, Tali, Garrus, Miranda, Jacob... I fighted with them shoulder to shoulder. It was very hard to watch the endings without any word of your companios. For 3 parts of the games, the relationships with your team is one of the most important parts of the game  
So, my opinion is the endings are not full. And there must more ways to stop the reapers. This endings are good for those, who played quickly and didn't think about the consiquense of his actions. But those, who played hardly, of course they don't satisfied. We get the endigs, that don't matter of your actions in ME2 and ME. Actually, this endings are the same. They don't depend from your previous games. It's very sorrowfully and mournful

Modifié par Fihtengolz, 05 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[Omnike]

jeweledleah wrote...

Omnike wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

was this posted yet? thought it was fascinating

http://www.ibtimes.c...ale-femshep.htm

More power to us, I suppose. It's kind of hurts to think that they haven't contacted her about reading more lines, which leads me to think that this ending might actually be the ending, and the DLC is just a stupid epilogue.

yet.  its also possible that she's just under regular contract with bioware for future DLC and they haven't mentioned anything specific, hence she doesn't know.

I'm grasping at straws here, I know.

I do think that they are going to attempt to pass on the epilogue onto players.

but think about it this way.  Broken steel, fallout 3 DLC that changed the ending?  was the third DLC released chronologicaly.  so.  its quite possible that they may end up thinking that lcarity is all we need.  and then once new DLC's start to come out and have weak sales?  realize that maybe "clarity" is not good enough.

you know.

I just hope whatever this DLC is, it comes out before September.

[Hondour]

I wouldn't call it my favorite moment because it was really sad, but the moment that impacted me the most was the choice between the Geth and the Quarians. I chose the Geth, believing that it was the Paragon choice and watched Tali die right there made me almost tear up. I love Tali, I hate that she had to die because her race is full of stubborn, hard-headed people.

[jeweledleah]

Omnike wrote...

I just hope whatever this DLC is, it comes out before September.

what happens in September?