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They should've done away with the Child sequence all together and made, as some suggested, the Crucible as another trap to try and wipe out all highly evolved organic life in one fell swoop. The difference being that this backfires on the Reapers as the whole galactic fleet and ground troops destroy the beam and taking out Harbinger in the process.
They really should've taken some queues from the guy in this video and seen the error of their ways. Artistic integrity, imo, is getting in the way of having the meaningful and appropriate conclusion to this otherwise fantastic trilogy!
On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
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#13877
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:37
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akenn312 wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
akenn312 wrote...
content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss
Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
Actually I think this was probalby the only solution. I also accept it. Now they can fix what they rushed and not look like they are giving in or selling out...although I think they did that already with the current ending.
As long as it's free I'm satified with their attempt on this. Hopefully the feedback that has been given helps them give us a better product.
OMG...this means that Bioware wasn't doing anything clever at all,the game is as intended.....SAD.
Yep, it all comes down to the ending was the best they could do. No clever Indoctrination theory that was fan motivated.
NO! NO! NO! Damn it, Bioware you're not listening. You're audience is not simply looking for "clarification" (though it would be nice). The ending is not and ending to a story. It does not fit into the story. IT MAKES NO SENSE! In the final 10 miinutes you complete disregarded the framework of the universe that was created, broke the protagonist's primary character traits and direct motivations, altered the goal from "Destroy the Reapers and Save the Galaxy" to solving some philosophical problem with synthetics vs. organics (which we kind of technically already did by uniting the geth and quarians), introduced an unnecessary character with flawed logical assumptions that then not only replaced the series main antagonists, but also took over control of the protagonists decisions. You have established for 3 games that you know how to tell a story so WHY in these last 10 minutes are you throwing away all the rules to telling a story! I can appreciate how creating an ending to such a masterpiece like Mass Effect can be difficult, but come on we know you're better than this. LISTEN to your audience. SIr Aurthor Conan Doyle killed Sherlocke Holmes and then brought him back because the audience demanded it. Motzart and Shakespeare changed their works. There is nothing wrong with changing the ending. It has been done many times in many artistic works. You have the chance to perfect your masterpiece here. It's only the final 10 minutes, post run to the conduit. That's all everything else is great.
Watch this and remember what you did right
#13879
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:39
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I do have a question how do you get these links to show as the to be automaticlly clicked on I don't know what I'm doing wrong though I am trying to save the link in my signature
#13880
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:39
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If, Shepard still has to betray EDI, the Geth, and or die, create a galactic holocaust by blowing up the Citadel and Relays, it's an ending not worth fighting for. No matter how much clarification Bioware tries to foist on us.
For those who are happy with such an ending, good for you.
Me, I'll call it quits on the Mass Effect story right after the Galactic Armada jumps into Earth Space and settle with my own "head canon" of what comes after.
Combine ground forces take on Reaper / indoctrinated Cerberus forces.
Shepard leads and assigns all past surviving squad members in taking key objectives. (gratuitous chest thumping military cut scenes involving companions required)
Shepard faces off against the Illusive Man, while that big ass armada takes on Harbinger. (Make the Rachi count. They know they are doomed as a race due to reaper interference so they take the noble path, one species must sacrifice themselves so that others will have a chance to live. So we see the Rachni do the "Light Brigade" charge, distracting Harbinger long enough for the others to get into position and range.)
Shepard wins and lives
Shepard and LI retire.
And a fracking epilogue for Shepard and Li, and all surviving notable NPCs and Squadmates tracing what happens next over the next 5 or so years.
Scrapped that blatant "one more story of the Shepard" (buy DLCs!) end scene and instead we see little blue baby playing with N7 tags / adopted Turian / Quarian / human or their own child (if you went with Ashley / Kaiden) and hear Shepard and LI talk about the child's future.
For those who are happy with such an ending, good for you.
Me, I'll call it quits on the Mass Effect story right after the Galactic Armada jumps into Earth Space and settle with my own "head canon" of what comes after.
Combine ground forces take on Reaper / indoctrinated Cerberus forces.
Shepard leads and assigns all past surviving squad members in taking key objectives. (gratuitous chest thumping military cut scenes involving companions required)
Shepard faces off against the Illusive Man, while that big ass armada takes on Harbinger. (Make the Rachi count. They know they are doomed as a race due to reaper interference so they take the noble path, one species must sacrifice themselves so that others will have a chance to live. So we see the Rachni do the "Light Brigade" charge, distracting Harbinger long enough for the others to get into position and range.)
Shepard wins and lives
Shepard and LI retire.
And a fracking epilogue for Shepard and Li, and all surviving notable NPCs and Squadmates tracing what happens next over the next 5 or so years.
Scrapped that blatant "one more story of the Shepard" (buy DLCs!) end scene and instead we see little blue baby playing with N7 tags / adopted Turian / Quarian / human or their own child (if you went with Ashley / Kaiden) and hear Shepard and LI talk about the child's future.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:40
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Sorry don't subscribe to conspiracy theories.Kain82 wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
Still here huh? Was talking with a friend today about the game and we have differing opinions on the ending. But we both agree that changing it is wrong. Sure adding more options is a more honest way to please the fan base (not just the rage trolls). Also a epilogue till they can male more choices. They don't have to keep shepard alive or save the relays as long as they explain why they did it.
If the indoctrination theory was biowares intention (linked above), then the game isn't finished and must be continued when shepard wakes up. this theory answers all the questions that people have and covers the loop holes. I myself have been converted to believing this theory as it makes sense, whereas the ending being real doesn't at all. if bioware actually reveal this was their intention then that is some creative but loco writing right there. I like it!.. will always be waiting for full closure and multiple endings as promised though.
#13882
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:41
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So agree with you arch you have no idea or maybe you do lol
#13883
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:46
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We are Ea we are your salvation through destruction
"**** you you guys you're not getting our money" Angry fans
Releasing control...
"**** you you guys you're not getting our money" Angry fans
Releasing control...
#13884
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:46
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Listened to but not heard as it turns out. How disappointing.
#13885
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:46
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jeweledleah wrote...
Andy the Black wrote...
akenn312 wrote...
content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss
Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
Actually I think this was probalby the only solution. I also accept it. Now they can fix what they rushed and not look like they are giving in or selling out...although I think they did that already with the current ending.
As long as it's free I'm satified with their attempt on this. Hopefully the feedback that has been given helps them give us a better product.
Free DLC from EA?! Mayby now my pet unicorn will start talking to me again.
pretty sure they just did risk analysis and realized that free may get some of the good will back, while charging people for it will basicalyinsure that future sales will not be happening.
its not a favor. its damage control.
I miss the days if "Bring down the sky" if I remember correctly - a lot of the enviroments in it was supposed to have been used on Therum, for Liara's mission, but they ran out of time/resources. so instead, they releaced it as a free story DLC at a slightly later date. aaah... weren't those the days...
Yeah, I get why it's free, making people pay for this DLC would look... bad and would have in the end probably of alienated more of the peeps wanting a revised ending (or whatever this is) than it would have brought back. I'm just a little surprised, I honestly didn't expect this to be free.
And when was Bring Down the Sky free? I payed £5 for it.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:47
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sdinc009 wrote...
akenn312 wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
akenn312 wrote...
content.usatoday.com/communities/gamehunters/post/2012/04/bioware-unveils-mass-effect-3-extended-cut/1#.T32esY6Xfss
Hated the ending to BioWare intergalactic epic Mass Effect 3? A potential remedy is arriving this summer. The video game studio and publisher Electronic Arts have announced Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut, a free download that "will give fans seeking further clarity to the ending of Mass Effect 3 deeper insights into how their personal journey concludes."It will be available this summer for PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.
Actually I think this was probalby the only solution. I also accept it. Now they can fix what they rushed and not look like they are giving in or selling out...although I think they did that already with the current ending.
As long as it's free I'm satified with their attempt on this. Hopefully the feedback that has been given helps them give us a better product.
OMG...this means that Bioware wasn't doing anything clever at all,the game is as intended.....SAD.
Yep, it all comes down to the ending was the best they could do. No clever Indoctrination theory that was fan motivated.
NO! NO! NO! Damn it, Bioware you're not listening. You're audience is not simply looking for "clarification" (though it would be nice). The ending is not and ending to a story. It does not fit into the story. IT MAKES NO SENSE! In the final 10 miinutes you complete disregarded the framework of the universe that was created, broke the protagonist's primary character traits and direct motivations, altered the goal from "Destroy the Reapers and Save the Galaxy" to solving some philosophical problem with synthetics vs. organics (which we kind of technically already did by uniting the geth and quarians), introduced an unnecessary character with flawed logical assumptions that then not only replaced the series main antagonists, but also took over control of the protagonists decisions. You have established for 3 games that you know how to tell a story so WHY in these last 10 minutes are you throwing away all the rules to telling a story! I can appreciate how creating an ending to such a masterpiece like Mass Effect can be difficult, but come on we know you're better than this. LISTEN to your audience. SIr Aurthor Conan Doyle killed Sherlocke Holmes and then brought him back because the audience demanded it. Motzart and Shakespeare changed their works. There is nothing wrong with changing the ending. It has been done many times in many artistic works. You have the chance to perfect your masterpiece here. It's only the final 10 minutes, post run to the conduit. That's all everything else is great.
Watch this and remember what you did right
They can't now you are right and it's unfortunate but once they started this artistic integrity crap they are locked in to sticking with the star child direction. Even if they did change the story we still would view them as incomptent fools that not only made a bad ending to a epic video game trilogy but had to have fans think of one for them.
At least now they have a chance to clean up the story give it narritave coherance and more time to find a way to get the new motivation to fit within the begining framework or take it out. Sorry I know the Nerd Rage video is totally right about what is wrong with the ending but we will probalby have to accept the fact that Star child is going to stay in the story.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:49
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sad is a understatement but yes
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#13889
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:50
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Reposting just in case BIoware is still looking at this thread for addins for extended ending
What I need closure/expansion on:
Squadmates: What happened to them?
Love Interest: Did they get together after Reaper defeat? Or mourn Shep's death if no awakening from Dream/Indoc.
Fleet: What happened? Destruction or Starvation?
Normandy: Hackett was aboard so Joker fleeing doesnt make sense and Hackett wouldnt allow it.
Final Run: How is it they end up on the Normandy anyway? NO sense to this whatsoever. Esp since all of them were all over London at the time. Did Harb get lazy and let Joker swoop in and leave with Shep's team...
Leaving Shep to die: None of Sheps teammates would do this at all. Over the radio no one notices shep get up? Thus ending sequence must be a crazy dream. Why were NPCs in dress blue uniforms too, Makes no sense. No HUD and unlimited bullets, armor and gun different.
Everything after the Beam: Was it indoctrination? A dream cause shep got hurt? Prelude to real final battle vs Harby. Have Shep wake up so we can really finish the fight, its sad when Halo 2 ended better then this series plus that was a cliffhanger.
Relays: Tricked Shep into seeing thier destruction by Harby or can they be rebuilt by Allied teams/science.
Status of Universe: Other homeworlds rebuilt or destroyed by reapers if Shep fails, at this point we only have that thing at the end saying buy DLC. Thats the only indicatior we have of "Destroying the Reapers".
Citidel: Is everyone dead? Was it worthless to even do quests for these NPCs if theres no indication that our war assests saved or hindered them.
Anderson and TIM: Where are they really? After beam hit it doesnt make sense that they'd get ahead or behind Shep at any point cause it was a strait shot to that console. If that was really TIM then why didnt he try to activate it himself while holding Anderson hostage.
Why collect all those fleets when the outcome is nearly identical??? If you take this ending as is atm then Shep killed more people in the end and did the Reapers jobs for them. Way to make me feel heroic. Esp as a paragon Shep.
Extreamly OMG your Fracked ending:
Like ME2's suicide mission, if you go in without enough resources, it will end badly. Show the results after attempted Indoc process on Shep. In the worst ending the Commander will most likely die ala ME2 to complete the mission. But show what happens to the universe and the races because you went in unprepared.
Show real varied endings. What happens if shep did get indoctrinated from Harbringer. Will s/he kill friends after they wake up? Destroy the only weapon/s against the Reapers, doom everyone ect. For those who want to see the trainwreak capablities of a doom and gloom outcome, they can have it. Hell you can even have "And I must Scream" Trope moment with shep as they realize they are slaughtering everyone while under Harbs control.
Middle-line ending:
Went in prepard but not enough to prevent Shepard from utimately dying in the end but before s/he goes out you see how they defeated the Reapers and a final conversation with Friends and LI before Shep goes to the "Bar". In this ending the last scenes can be of how each planet and major decisions of Shep helped shape the Galaxy. Even Fallout 1 did this with the Vault Dweller main PC and allowed for a good amount of closure.
"Earn your Happy/Bittersweet Ending"
Must be uber prepard to take back Earth and resist Reaper Indoc at Citidel Beam Sequence.
Shep survives, reunited with Team/LI, Anderson and everyone else. This version shows the results of decisions, not all would be alive but Shepard will say farewells for those they lost in a state/galatic funeral ceremony. BIGGEST THING: SHOW RESULTS OF PREVIOUS DECISIONS AND HOW IT ULTIMATELY PLAYS OUT!
In this endgame we could have flashback/memory sequences to other important events in Shep's life, Wedding? Premotions, other missions post Reaper if TIM Situation isnt resolved, or even during reaper war for extra stories so Devs can get any side missions in without keeping with this Half Ending we have atm. Hell the memory shard Javik gives you in London would be the perfect vehicle to relive different moments in your Sheps life that are important. For LI enthusiasts this could be replay of thier weddings? Kids? Fun moments with ME crewmates.
What I need closure/expansion on:
Squadmates: What happened to them?
Love Interest: Did they get together after Reaper defeat? Or mourn Shep's death if no awakening from Dream/Indoc.
Fleet: What happened? Destruction or Starvation?
Normandy: Hackett was aboard so Joker fleeing doesnt make sense and Hackett wouldnt allow it.
Final Run: How is it they end up on the Normandy anyway? NO sense to this whatsoever. Esp since all of them were all over London at the time. Did Harb get lazy and let Joker swoop in and leave with Shep's team...
Leaving Shep to die: None of Sheps teammates would do this at all. Over the radio no one notices shep get up? Thus ending sequence must be a crazy dream. Why were NPCs in dress blue uniforms too, Makes no sense. No HUD and unlimited bullets, armor and gun different.
Everything after the Beam: Was it indoctrination? A dream cause shep got hurt? Prelude to real final battle vs Harby. Have Shep wake up so we can really finish the fight, its sad when Halo 2 ended better then this series plus that was a cliffhanger.
Relays: Tricked Shep into seeing thier destruction by Harby or can they be rebuilt by Allied teams/science.
Status of Universe: Other homeworlds rebuilt or destroyed by reapers if Shep fails, at this point we only have that thing at the end saying buy DLC. Thats the only indicatior we have of "Destroying the Reapers".
Citidel: Is everyone dead? Was it worthless to even do quests for these NPCs if theres no indication that our war assests saved or hindered them.
Anderson and TIM: Where are they really? After beam hit it doesnt make sense that they'd get ahead or behind Shep at any point cause it was a strait shot to that console. If that was really TIM then why didnt he try to activate it himself while holding Anderson hostage.
Why collect all those fleets when the outcome is nearly identical??? If you take this ending as is atm then Shep killed more people in the end and did the Reapers jobs for them. Way to make me feel heroic. Esp as a paragon Shep.
Extreamly OMG your Fracked ending:
Like ME2's suicide mission, if you go in without enough resources, it will end badly. Show the results after attempted Indoc process on Shep. In the worst ending the Commander will most likely die ala ME2 to complete the mission. But show what happens to the universe and the races because you went in unprepared.
Show real varied endings. What happens if shep did get indoctrinated from Harbringer. Will s/he kill friends after they wake up? Destroy the only weapon/s against the Reapers, doom everyone ect. For those who want to see the trainwreak capablities of a doom and gloom outcome, they can have it. Hell you can even have "And I must Scream" Trope moment with shep as they realize they are slaughtering everyone while under Harbs control.
Middle-line ending:
Went in prepard but not enough to prevent Shepard from utimately dying in the end but before s/he goes out you see how they defeated the Reapers and a final conversation with Friends and LI before Shep goes to the "Bar". In this ending the last scenes can be of how each planet and major decisions of Shep helped shape the Galaxy. Even Fallout 1 did this with the Vault Dweller main PC and allowed for a good amount of closure.
"Earn your Happy/Bittersweet Ending"
Must be uber prepard to take back Earth and resist Reaper Indoc at Citidel Beam Sequence.
Shep survives, reunited with Team/LI, Anderson and everyone else. This version shows the results of decisions, not all would be alive but Shepard will say farewells for those they lost in a state/galatic funeral ceremony. BIGGEST THING: SHOW RESULTS OF PREVIOUS DECISIONS AND HOW IT ULTIMATELY PLAYS OUT!
In this endgame we could have flashback/memory sequences to other important events in Shep's life, Wedding? Premotions, other missions post Reaper if TIM Situation isnt resolved, or even during reaper war for extra stories so Devs can get any side missions in without keeping with this Half Ending we have atm. Hell the memory shard Javik gives you in London would be the perfect vehicle to relive different moments in your Sheps life that are important. For LI enthusiasts this could be replay of thier weddings? Kids? Fun moments with ME crewmates.
#13890
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:50
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I bet they won't have the original ending of in the Mass Effect movie.
#13891
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:50
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Here is the blog detailing it. It still sounds bad. Just some extended cut scenes and an epilogue. To explain what? The type of berry that the crew lives on in the jungle? This sounds like bogus
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:50
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Hopefully starchild goes.
Honestly if the extended cut doesnt fix things ill be done with bioware for good. Im hoping for the best
Honestly if the extended cut doesnt fix things ill be done with bioware for good. Im hoping for the best
#13893
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:51
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I guess todays announcement proves they aren't really listening at all then.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:52
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Hmmm this announcement leaves indoc theory (idt) in a tight spot and that was the most exciting thing about the end we have... I'll reserve my thoughts until it comes (summer??!!! Bit of a wait) but im not exactly optimistic about it
Just hope Bioware don't screws me over again, they can stick dragon age 3 where the sun doesn't shine if they do.
Just hope Bioware don't screws me over again, they can stick dragon age 3 where the sun doesn't shine if they do.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:53
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Hmmm this announcement leaves indoc theory (idt) in a tight spot and that was the most exciting thing about the end we have... I'll reserve my thoughts until it comes (summer??!!! Bit of a wait) but im not exactly optimistic about it
Just hope Bioware don't screws me over again, they can stick dragon age 3 where the sun doesn't shine if they do.
Just hope Bioware don't screws me over again, they can stick dragon age 3 where the sun doesn't shine if they do.
#13896
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:53
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Andy the Black wrote...
Yeah, I get why it's free, making people pay for this DLC would look... bad and would have in the end probably of alienated more of the peeps wanting a revised ending (or whatever this is) than it would have brought back. I'm just a little surprised, I honestly didn't expect this to be free.
And when was Bring Down the Sky free? I payed £5 for it.
hmm.. could it be, its just for pc that its free? because for me i was always free and still is free
and to be honest, I DID expect the "clarification" DLC to be free. I was just hoping that they wouldn't take the path of least resistance
I would have payed for fully revised ending. I did pay for Broken steel after all (granted, Broken steel wasn't JUST the revised ending, but, you get the idea)
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:53
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You know weeks ago they told you guys they would have an announcement about this on the 6th......Some of you need to clam the hell down and learn patience...Only a fool expects them to to talk about this before they said they would. No that doesnt mean they are not listening it means they will make a announcement on April 6th.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:54
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I know cause it just sucks having something that explains things to you huh?sinlessorrow wrote...
Hopefully starchild goes.
Honestly if the extended cut doesnt fix things ill be done with bioware for good. Im hoping for the best
#13899
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:56
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Honestly i dont know what all the hue and cry is about over the ending. I haven't checked any details over the uproar as i didn't want to ruin the ending. Having just finished, i was delighted. It was absolutely brilliant and well fitting with the feel of the franchise. A brilliant end to the build up and mystery created over the past three games. Sure, its no fairy tale ending where the Reapers are simply vanished away by the crucible and Shephard returns a hero and all the citidel species clap and bow and the galaxy returns to normal (might have been nice), but it seems more realistic, powerful and keeping in touch with direness of the situation the galaxy faced
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 03:56
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Omnike wrote...
Here is the blog detailing it. It still sounds bad. Just some extended cut scenes and an epilogue. To explain what? The type of berry that the crew lives on in the jungle? This sounds like bogus
http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/
and suddenly.. I'm starting to think that that "Mass Shift" leak may have been the real deal after all. since they seem to be adamant about destruction of relays and killing off Shepard....
