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[LiarasShield]

Eww a ending lover jk but most of us don'r like the ending because of plotholes no closure and just plain ass madness that just ****ed up everything just joker abandoning shepard without knowing if shepard is dead and leaving the fleets to rot or die in space yeah I''m not to mention that the relays destroyed most of the galaxy I just will never really be able to accept the ending till it is fixed lol

[LiarasShield]

mrcanada wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

"Hay guys, I'm Harbringer and I"m going to just fly away and let Shepard waltz up to the ONLY PLACE IN THE GALAXY THAT COULD FINISH US!!  While I'm at it, I guess I'll teleport Anderson up there for support, just cause he's a nice guy.  What's that?  Beam of light?  No, I don't need that!  I can magically transport Anderson up there myself."

"One way corridor you say?  Bah, there were many access points to this hallway!!!  You just couldn't see them through the space magic and the invincible Keepers!!"

so amazing I just had to quote this lol ^^

I've got more, but I don't want to waste it on a company that doesn't listen to a damn thing we are saying.  I could do about 5 pages worth of posts like that.

I mean werent these games ment to appease the fans bioware not you personally but us well that sure as hell not what happend

[Vyel]

Omnike wrote...

Vyel wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Once this Extended Cut thing comes out, I'll judge for myself. But this pretty much squeezes any chance of it being the IT and I highly doubt they'll be able to make any more sense out of the star child and his stupid room than we did.

How does it "squeeze" it being the IT?

I don't know actually. I was thinking they didn't say there was any gameplay, but I guess the IT is still sound enough. I don't know why I thought that.

Unfortunately, it's still a very viable explination to what we have currently. Only the options are now that they will tell us either he's indoctrinated, he died, or he kept his humanity and breathed at least one last time.

And now they can probably still clear up and tell us that's what happened. He's indoctinated and starts to have humanity and all the species he got together start working with/for the reapers (aka harvested). He died and the Reapers win the war and start harvesting. He kept his humanity and either is leading the war still fighting or his fighting off indoctrination gives hope.

All still plausible.

All still not what people wanted with their choices over 2.9 games still adding up to nothing. Ugh.

Modifié par Vyel, 05 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[SuperClutch16]

Whatever happened to THIS!?!

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"
----quoted from Casey Hudson

[DScherpf]

I have to say, I think ME3 was brilliant as long as the Indoctrination Theory is correct. Otherwise it was just alright.

I know most people missed a lot of the clues that prove the theory (I sure did), but I understand why it was necessary to not make it obvious. Shepard was not aware that he was being indoctrinated. We, the players, are Shepard. So why would we be aware that he is being indoctrinated? 

I think this game has some fantastic writing (as well as gameplay, and art). The reason I missed all of the clues is probably that I was too blinded by what I expected to happen to notice all of the clues.

That being said, I would still like to know more. Like why the reapers do what they do (or who makes them do it). The idea that they do it to prevent chaos didn't impress me that much because they create chaos in doing so. It would be interesting to know the number of the current cycle. I was really hoping to talk to another reaper. What really happens after the dream scene? What does the crucible actually do? Does Shepard live? Reapers lose?

[mrcanada]

 I'm of the camp now that if you actually liked the ending and think it fits, you're an idiot.  

Nothing about the ending makes any sense and if you are satisfied with all choice being taken out of your hand, nothing being explained to you at all including your enemies origin, a god child appearing out of thin air, how you even got to the Citadel and why Harbringer just let you enter etc. and no resolution to any of the characters and decisions you made in the trilogy.  You just aren't a very smart person and would be satisfied playing with a ball and stick in your backyard.

Fans who actually pay attention and invest theirselves in a story and its characters deserve more.

[GuyverXenon]

Well, I'm going to give my opinion here
and in accordance with forum rules, attempt to be constructive,
explain my reasoning, and not be outright disrespectful to Bioware.



The endings to Mass Effect 3 were
disappointing as many fans have said. I believe the reasoning for
this is that regardless of choices made, the outcome is basically the
same. This frustrates many due to the fact that across the series,
players have been able to make choices (at nearly any point in the
game) that affects the outcome completely. To have this ability
throughout two titles, and then lose it at the conclusion of the
series obviously will frustrate some people. For me, it would be like
the only ending to a game like Blood Omen: The Legacy of Kain was
the to kill yourself and save the world instead of being able to
choose outright domination. It just messes with the idea of a
character I've grown attached to.



Now don't get me wrong, I have too many
favorite points in the third game to choose just one. The bulk of the
game had me laughing at times and feeling somber at others. A certain
point near the climax when a nice renegade option is made available
had me yell 'Hell yes!'.




As far as an argument for 'artistic
integrity' goes, here is the one flaw with that. Again, only my
opinion. You released two games where the player not only goes
through the motions of start to finish, but they alter the universe
as they go with their choices. It's like taking a piece of art you
are proud of and setting it in a public bus station with a set of
high end Prismacolor markers for the public to use. You created the
base, other are adding their own mark to it. Yes, it is yours
originally, but once released in such a manner it becomes something
different and personal to everyone that touches it.



Many consumers feel cheated because of
the time, energy and emotion invested over the other two games. To
Bioware and it's obviously talented staff, this outcome may have felt
right. However, that comes from the creative team behind the series,
one part of the game itself. This goes back to my artistic integrity
bit. What has been done is like putting that art up, letting people
place their mark on it, letting it become a symbol for a community
and then taking it away, wiping it clean and posting it under a glass
display saying 'No, this is how it's gonna be.' Anyone that added to
that art beforehand would be upset.



There feels like a lot of hate in the
gaming community for this game, but I think that hatred is from the
people that added to your art, and had it taken away from them, and
reposted under a glass display. They invested a part of themselves
into something you created and gave to them. So I would think this
hatred is not for the game itself, the staff, or the company, but
rather the decisions made by them as a whole to take this art away
from people. Many just express it in a destructive manner because
their frustration over it all has reached a boiling point.



I have more I could say but I'm not
sure of space limits on the forum so I'll close with a few small
opinions.




Bioware has created a series with the
potential to rival older properties with a devoted(sometimes rabid)
fanbase. They have made a mistake in the eyes a many fans, but a
mistake that can be fixed if done correctly. And, I would like to
believe they developed this game with the best intentions in mind,
but merely lost sight near the end either to time constraints or
something else out of their hands.

[Omnike]

akenn312 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Vyel wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Once this Extended Cut thing comes out, I'll judge for myself. But this pretty much squeezes any chance of it being the IT and I highly doubt they'll be able to make any more sense out of the star child and his stupid room than we did.

How does it "squeeze" it being the IT?

I don't know actually. I was thinking they didn't say there was any gameplay, but I guess the IT is still sound enough. I don't know why I thought that.

Indoctrination Theory was fan motivated, usually when a company tries to leaves clues on the internet or hint to a hidden meaning iit still shows the usual branding or it has a certain polish to it. Like the Promethus TED blog. The Indoctrination Theory video looks like a fan sliced it together. But I bet they will probalby put in some Indoctriantion Theory joke or easter egg later. 

A fan did slice it together. But, to be honest, it makes more sense than the ending we got. It was such a scrambled mess of random stuff that they thought looked cool. This is kind of their last chance to do something about it. If it's not the IT, I really can't see this whole epilogue thing doing anything better except maybe showing the characters that were on the Normandy getting a little older. Maybe they'll extend Shepard's breathing scene to show him cough too.

[kratosmr]

Think im just gonna write my own. Couldn't do any worse and would be open to criticism. Therefore if its crap I could change it. Unlike some Im not arrogant enough to think that everything I produce is perfect.

[LiarasShield]

SuperClutch16 wrote...

Whatever happened to THIS!?!

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C"
----quoted from Casey Hudson

You know I'm trying my hardest not to insult him or them personally for that giant lie but it is so hard.....

[Karabassoff]

So, Bioware decided to stick with an "artistic vision"?

Well, Mass Effect is dead.
All three games are going to a place where other disposable, forgettable games reside.

It was a fun ride while it lasted until the abrupt heart-rending realization of how much time was wasted with ME universe. That was artistically done indeed. Gratz.
You really excelled in shifting developer priorities from telling good stories to danbrownesque speculative nonsensical fiction.

It was not about lack of closure, or plot holes or understanding the ending.

It was about lying to fans. You promised and didn't deliver,hiding behind vague statements about artistic integrity.

And I have had so much fun watching almost each of ME3 writer who was interviewed pre-release stripped of their mantles, so to speak, I might vomit.

[Vicadre]

I've been a fan of the Mass Effect series from when the first part of the game was released in 2007.
I loved every detail, every aspect of the series was so amazing, I think I've invested over 600 hours in it by now, 600 hours well spend if I might add.
Mass Effect 3 was an awesome game as well, I loved everything about it, there were many favourite moments, I simply loved it... Until the ending.
The ending left me with tears in my eyes, it was terrible, horrific...
I think it's impressive how they managed to create an ending that horrible as a conclusion to such an awesome trilogy.
And that extended cut isn't going to make things right, and I think I can speak for almost any of us when I say so.
I still hope Bioware will change the ending, and let me finish the game with tears in my eyes from how damn good it was, not bad.
I want to see that my choices matter.
I want a good and a solid ending, not one filled with plotholes and flaws that hardly make sense.
A happy ending would've been great too, almost everyone on my crew promised me a drink, and I'd love to retrieve those.
Thanks for giving us something great Bioware, and thanks for screwing it up...

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

"Hay guys, I'm Harbringer and I"m going to just fly away and let Shepard waltz up to the ONLY PLACE IN THE GALAXY THAT COULD FINISH US!!  While I'm at it, I guess I'll teleport Anderson up there for support, just cause he's a nice guy.  What's that?  Beam of light?  No, I don't need that!  I can magically transport Anderson up there myself."

"One way corridor you say?  Bah, there were many access points to this hallway!!!  You just couldn't see them through the space magic and the invincible Keepers!!"

so amazing I just had to quote this lol ^^

I think most of the players who like or accept the ending are probably people who didn't play the entire triliogy or just wasn't invested in it like most of us who are hardcore fans of the series

[Thanatos144]

what if they just fill in the plot holes and still Shep dies and the relays go bye bye?????????How many here want that? I am betting more that the few vocal here.

[Vyel]

To me, the original decision to not have all the choices effect the ending was a bean-counter decision. Too many endings = too much time and money invested.

Then, the choice to go with the IT was the trying to out-think the room of "let's trick them and give them the feeling of being indoctrinated."

Now, this latest one is just of arrogance of being challenged and defending their decisions.

Game, set match.

Modifié par Vyel, 05 avril 2012 - 04:51 .

[mrcanada]

Vyel wrote...

To me, the original decision to not have all the choices effect the ending was a bean-counter decision. Too many endings = too much time and money invested.

Then, the choice to go with the IT was the trying to out-think the room of "let's trick them and give them the feeling of being indoctrinated.

Now, this latest one is just of arrogance of being challenged and defending their decisions.

Game, set match.

Agreed.

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

"Hay guys, I'm Harbringer and I"m going to just fly away and let Shepard waltz up to the ONLY PLACE IN THE GALAXY THAT COULD FINISH US!!  While I'm at it, I guess I'll teleport Anderson up there for support, just cause he's a nice guy.  What's that?  Beam of light?  No, I don't need that!  I can magically transport Anderson up there myself."

"One way corridor you say?  Bah, there were many access points to this hallway!!!  You just couldn't see them through the space magic and the invincible Keepers!!"

so amazing I just had to quote this lol ^^

I think most of the players who like or accept the ending are probably people who didn't play the entire triliogy or just wasn't invested in it like most of us who are hardcore fans of the series

Well will see if bioware really does listen or fall by the way side though it is begining to look that way

[vigna]

I am happy with this. This is all I personally ever wanted. Clarification and some epilogue expansion. I want Bioware's story--not an eloborate fan-fic. Hopefully, in context, the additional material will help the 3 endings make more sense when applied to the rest of the series. I hope.........

[kratosmr]

Its an even bigger shame as the whole series was so good. Maybe its because I lived with a liar for three years that I don't like being lied to but no doubt we were here. Loved ME all the way through but in an effort to appeal to the masses the ending got screwed over. Its a real, real shame. Nothing you do in any game matters to the outcome. Wow just I don't know what else to say. The thing is its not even there artistic integrity its Ion Storms.

[Gurneyslabb]

Bioware are listening but with fingers in thier ears singing and in denial, i personally hoped for the indoctrination theory to be true some decent single player content and not cashed up multiplayer dlc and a somewhat happy ending with actually conclusions. how does that equal extended scenes for a "artisticly expressioned " bad ending way to end a trilogy and lose 99 percent of a fanbase

[Sydeno]

Don't muzika and hudson understood?

They are really mistaking and betray themselves...
So, I can clearly say "On the Mass Effect 3 endings. No, you are not listening!

Lie is still a lie even when you pack it with a gift wrap!

I'm clearly not appreciating this annoucement

[akenn312]

Omnike wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Vyel wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Once this Extended Cut thing comes out, I'll judge for myself. But this pretty much squeezes any chance of it being the IT and I highly doubt they'll be able to make any more sense out of the star child and his stupid room than we did.

How does it "squeeze" it being the IT?

I don't know actually. I was thinking they didn't say there was any gameplay, but I guess the IT is still sound enough. I don't know why I thought that.

Indoctrination Theory was fan motivated, usually when a company tries to leaves clues on the internet or hint to a hidden meaning iit still shows the usual branding or it has a certain polish to it. Like the Promethus TED blog. The Indoctrination Theory video looks like a fan sliced it together. But I bet they will probalby put in some Indoctriantion Theory joke or easter egg later. 

A fan did slice it together. But, to be honest, it makes more sense than the ending we got. It was such a scrambled mess of random stuff that they thought looked cool. This is kind of their last chance to do something about it. If it's not the IT, I really can't see this whole epilogue thing doing anything better except maybe showing the characters that were on the Normandy getting a little older. Maybe they'll extend Shepard's breathing scene to show him cough too.

Sad that a fan slicing an ending theory together on youtube made more sense than what Bioware originally put out.

[clarkusdarkus]

this thread is now pointless as clearly they werent listening, they think we actually didnt get the ending..mwahaha....oh my we got the ending, how else would we laugh at ur rubbish writers for coming up for that baffling piece of crap.

[Aldenhal]

All i know is after this whole debacle of endings and not giving a crap about their loyal customers and fans, Bioware has lost my business for good. I've always hated EA so that's not new, but i had always hoped Bioware would rise above the mediocre standards that EA pushes on all their games and actually try their hardest to stay above the average EA crap. But they prove here that they just won't do it because of their BS "artistic integrity" it's a video game people, not art, you either make something that your fans will enjoy or you disappear into obscurity. Which I foresee in a few years for Bioware at least, once EA drops them for not making enough money. All i know is Bioware has no games planned that i care in the least for, i'm not interested in giving Bioware a monthly fee to play SWOTOR, and Dragon Age died for me when it came out, the only reason i even bought Dragon Age II was to sell the Signature edition on ebay to some poor sap for an extra hundred bucks, so thank you for the extra money.

Anyways, I'm done with Bioware, i will download this DLC (since its free) and see how that goes. If it helps then so be it but either way i'm done buying your games Bioware. Good job at protecting your "artistic integrity" but i guess just as not all art is great, this will just disappear from history eventually. You just didn't get the message that you didn't deliver on your promises. (one ending with three different colors is not a personalized experience for all players, in case you didn't know).

I guess they really weren't listening after all. Couldn't say i was holding my breath.

[LiarasShield]

hell the somewhat sad ending under my signature is still better then their true ****ing endings