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[akenn312]

Wikkr wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

Okay i'm not at all siding with the idiotic Bioware fanboy that thinks he understands what artistic integrity means but also we kinda have to understand that Bioware can't completely give into us too. Within the industry now they are seen as the company that made the worst ending in RPG video game history and has ruined one of the top grossing games in the industry.

That's really not good...

But If they changed it to Indoctrination theory or things suggested in the Nerd Rage videos they would now be considered the company that made the worst RPG endings in video game entertainment and also were too dumb to make their own ending and needed fans to finish it for them.

That's a lot worse...

Would any of us buy another game from Bioware if we had to finish their ending for them? I agree 100% with the understated nerd rage guy about whats wrong without he ending but I would never respect Bioware again if they did exactly what he suggests.

That's why I was hoping they had originally planned another ending but changed it at the last minute to this bad one because it would still be their idea and they could just put that in instead. That also could actually still happen too.

Big companies lie all the time about artistic integrity and morals. They are all about making money not art. They would not run a million dollar franchise into the ground just to keep their artistic integrity intact. Only a fool would beleive that. They just didn't think the ending was that bad and were wrong. Remember we are talking about the same company that came up with first day paid DLC.

An indoc ending would have explained the plot hole ridden ending (hell even a concussion woulda made sense) and restored my faith in bioware. hell they coulda played it clever and claimed it was the plan all along to release the real ending for free once the game had been released worldwide to avoid spoilers. theyd have gone down in history as making a bold gamble to try and preserve the ending of their game from spoilers

Now that's where I think artistic integrity starts to play into it, if they take our ideas off the internet and make a profit from it that's pretty low. Also the person that originaly came up with IT could sue the pants off Bioware and EA or they would have to pay him mucho bucks. No they have to go this route now since they are locked into it. I really think they need to go back to the creative table and pull down one of the previous ideas they canned. I think the backlash over the organic/synthetic motivation is too negative to try and clarify it now.

[Benchpress610]

Well… I think this does it…I will download whatever free stuff they put out and judge by myself, but id does not look promising. They ain’t changing anything. There is no clever twist, no alternative endings….

They are adamant about the ending and keep waving their “artistic vision” in our faces… in very arrogant way I might add… I don’t know what to think, they are smart people, but they aren’t acting in a very smart way. It’s incomprehensible why are they alienating their most ardent supporters… It’s like the guy who’s sawing the branch he is seating on.

[Setrah]

The problem with ME3's ending (one of the problems, besides the inconsistencies which you MIGHT be able to explain with the DLC) was that it didn't feel like winning the game.
I want the DLC to do one simple thing: MAKE ME WANT TO REPLAY THE CAMPAIGN. I bet it won't. Because right now I don't want to play if everything that awaits me in the future is all those three similar endings. Regardless of choices. I don't want to play anymore, that's it. I don't want to finish my current ME2 walkthrough. I see no point in it. It always ends the same. In ME2 I wanted to do it again to get a perfect result, to feel the feeling of achievement and victory. Here, there won't be one. Here is the feeling of "why bother". The star kid makes me feel that the reapers are okay. Let me just die on Virmire and give both Ashley and Kaidan a few years to live. Because they don't know the ending. Or let me die in the explosion of the Normandy SR-1. Or let me die anywhere during the course of the game, because IT'S NOT WORTH THE STRUGGLE.
Why am I talking to myself? Nobody cares. Bioware long has forgotten that they are making a game, not a movie. The downer, questionable ending would be much more ok for a movie or a series. Not for a game. Because you're supposed to win the game. This is not victory. This is just ret--ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

[TheoRuffy]

I'm sorry to say, but no. You're not listening.

[LiarasShield]

their defiance to reject fan feed back is going to bite them in the ass

[Legion91]

Legion91 wrote...

i have just 1 question to ask, what do they mean when they say it was good artisticly??

???????

[LiarasShield]

oh well time to watch the blocks fall down

[Tekrow]

How many times do you have to shot yourself in the foot to realize it's a bad thing to do?

[Iylara]

I've been playing Bioware's games since I was a pre-teen. This kinda feels like a slap in the face. The whole series was wonderful and then the ending completely ruined in. I have little faith in Bioware now. It feels like EA has indoctrinated them. However I won't pass complete judgement on them until this DLC. Still not expecting anything.
If it falls short again, I think I will be saying farewell to my childhood friend. EA has corrupted you, and it makes me sad.

[Xizindar]

So just yesterday I dumped ME 1-3 at Gamestop. I'm very pleased with this decision given today's news. Bioware just doesn't get it - and most articles by people defending this "artistic integrity" issue - don't get it in my opinion. I'm not saying their opinion is wrong, I'm say they don't understand *our* opinion.

My personal feeling is that Video Games are commissioned art, if we are to agree that VG are some form of art. The people who paid for the commissioned art video game and a solid majority were disappointed by the outcome. We let the artist know - "Hey, we don't like your art - do you mind changing it?". The artist replied - "Too bad it's how I want to finish my art, but maybe I'll add a plaque to explain it a little better.". Well unfortunately we have already bought said art, and can't walk away from the table.

The irony in all this is that the I feel I can safely assume that somewhere in ME's history an artist drew up concept art of say a furry Asari. This artist took it to the person who pays their bills (bioware) and that manager saw the furry blue Asari and said - "Nah - make it sexy with larger "features" and less fur". Well did the person who pays the bills NOT just infringe upon that artist's "artistic integrity"? Well abstract that one step further and you have *us* the consumer telling the artist that it stinks. Unfortunately we all found out too late and our money is wasted or at the least sorely disappointed with the product purchased. Sigh...

Fine $67 lesson learned - don't buy new games, wait till they have been released for months. Especially if it has Bioware or EA on the cover somewhere. I have gone from recommending the ME series to telling people to pass on it. That's an amazing transformation over the course of a month.

[BobbyTeenager4e]

darkway1 wrote...

demonuswolfus wrote...

Ok, so to basically state the obvious...No Bioware you are nto listening...we don't care about the artistic integrity you all want to maintain...we want a flat out new ending. Not some poshy DLC that explains things...it's a plus, but not what we want...your just going to make fans mroe annoyed and angrier with this...oh and by the ways...

http://pastebin.com/ifPPbeTp

please give a response to this. If it's real you might as well just tell everyone about ti and appease the crowds.

Thank you for posting this......people need to read this,if it's true,then it restores my faith in the franchise.  

I'd love to hear them respond to that as well.....  but like all good things online, I'm skeptical that this is true
http://pastebin.com/ifPPbeTp

[The Laird]

"we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3" some? SOME? I'm glad that Bioware is doing something, but this bit: "So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding" seems as though they are really just saying , "**** you stupid customers for complaining."

[LiarasShield]

But yes bioware making us lose also means will make you lose no new money for future games means loss of profit too much loss of profit and i can't see your company lasting to long

[Senario]

"Ah yes, Listening, the thing that we as developers promised to do. We have dismissed those claims."

[RealStyli]

Alex_Dur4and wrote...

Indoctrination proof!!

look at these segments

Blue ending - first minute. Total control of Sheppard. Ghost kid smirks (Illusive man's mistake)


Green ending - first minute. Assumed control of Sheppard through deception (Saren's mistake)


Red ending - first minute. No control of Sheppard. Ghost kid vaporized. Sheppard wakes up in rubbles of London
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7zY3WBT2q0

Just these facts are enough to have a 100% conviction that the last part of the ending, when Harbringer's eyes glow yellow during the final rush (Assuming Control), is an endoctrination attempt.

Enjoy!!!!

There's plenty more solid clues that indoctrination is real.

• The Citadel bits make no sense. How did Anderson get there ahead of Shepard and why didn't he wait?
• How did TIM get there?
• At which point did the Citadel become a device to make Reapers?
• The bit with the Child/Creator which seems to be at odds with everything we've learned in the three games.
• If the Citadel is part of the Creator and it created the Reapers as a solution, then how did they not know the Citadel was the Catalyst from the start?
• The very explicit options, they almost seem symbolic rather than real - why would they be built in the first place? Why are they colour coded?
• The Child tries subtly to get Shep to pick the Control choice or the Synthesis choice, and highlights a lot of bad things about the Destroy choice - the only choice where Shep lives.
• The "1M1" backwards writing on the Chasm supports - backwards writing is often an indication of a dream.
• While I'm on it, the 1M1 bits and other parts of the Citadel are reporposed from the Shadow Broker's lair. This could be lazy design or another indication that it's a dream; we often put familar experiences into dreams in leu of actual perception. Shep had never been in that part of the Citadel so his/her mind would have to create it from memories - such as the SB's lair.
• When Shep bleeds out, he bleeds out from the same part of his/her body as he/she shot Anderson.
• At the very beginning of the game no-one but Shep interacts or seems to acknowledge the child exists. Even when the child is scrambling about the shuttle, not one soldier tried to help him climb on.
• The dreams Shep has throughout the game could be part of the indoctrination process.

There's a lot more clues but that people, a lot more intelligent and perceptive than I, have noted. I don't think it's at odds with the current ending and I believe it was BioWare's intention all along but I think it was poorly executed. Maybe it was their plan all along to get people talking about the ending and then release the full ending? If so, it was a very bold move and one that so far hasn't worked out well for them. They've made so many bad moves recently though so it wouldn't surprise me.

Of course, all we can do is speculate, we don't know and we'll just have to wait until the Summer before we see what they've done to try and win our support back.

[Thanatos144]

Dont worry Bioware they wont be leaving you cause they will still be here to critique all the DLC you have too.

[LiarasShield]

well the renegade ending the one where shepard takes a gasp at london I can only see the closure dlc working around that the other ones not so much

[Veronica Ward]

edit: blah not worth it.

Modifié par Veronica Ward, 05 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

BioWare, may your soul be in heaven half an hour before the devil(EA) knows you're dead.

[AkaXan]

TheSeventhJedi wrote...

I wonder how many fans will look back on this as the day they decided not to purchase another BioWare game.

I know it is for me, Bioware have shown how much the fans really matter, how much they value our feedback, how much the really listen to us and how much Casy Hudson, Dr Masuka and Bioware's word is worth and it all amounts to nothing.

3 games I put my money, time and investment into thinking that sure the over all path is ploted out, but we the gamers get to choose and guide the journey and ultimatly affect the outcome in a small way that makes it our own. Bioware would still get to lead the plot into thier next game, but at least if we put the work in we got our little bit of closure. I mean thats what the numerous interviews with Casy and Bioware stated that the players choices mattered and that do anything else would be disingenuous to our fans.

It was just lies, nothing more. Sure Bioware got my money, like they got it from a lot of other players and in the short term that will be all that matters to Bioware. Long term however Bioware, this entire mess will come with a cost.

Explaining that ****** poor ending was not what fans wanted or asked for, just look at these very pages. The majority of which carefully explain why the endings have no real story, lore or logic to them and why they dont work at the most basic of story telling levels. Fans asked for the ending to be either changed or if need be simply have more choise to get the outcome they worked for.

Bioware havent listened, so I wont be buying DLC for a game were my choicees no longer matter. Dispite being told by Bioware they would. Simply put Bioware has killed any reason to play the mass effect games again, they have killed any reason to buy ME3 DLC as it wont change a damn thing and they have killed any reason to buy games from them in the future.

So congrats Bioware/EA with this mess you've managed to lose a lot of the very people that would have bought the future ME Univese games and DLC.

Modifié par AkaXan, 05 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[Benchpress610]

Veronica Ward wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Dont worry Bioware they wont be leaving you cause they will still be here to critique all the DLC you have too.

Nope. I bet you will buy every shiny turd they trow your way tho.

Pssst...Dont feed the troll...

[LiarasShield]

If they stay true to that announcement pax may not turn out well I can sense potential riot happening lol

[Tasker]

Bioware needs to ask themselves...

Are they getting rid of SpaceHitler and SpaceMagic completely or making them a halucination?

If the answer is NO.

Then why the **** bother. A turd is still a piece of **** no matter how shiney it is.

[Nieseln]

It would appear "artistic integrity" is more important than satisfying the majority of the fan base, who have continued to purchase bioware products over the years. From what I've read of these forums a lot more fans want different endings rather than "clarification" of the existing endings.

Surely they can keep their "artistic integrity" by retaining the existing endings as valid Shepherd responses, but also allowing alternative ending choices?

The availability of the alternative responses would be based on what actions Shepherd had carried out before (e.g. proving Geth and Quarian can get along)

Even a fourth response whereby Shepherd refuses to choose any option, and then the starchild decides for Shepherd anyway, would allow for yet another grim ending, but with Shepherd's integrity intact.

I think Bioware are definitely listening, but either not fully understanding the importance this has with their customer base, or they are in denial.

Very disappointed.

Positive things? Yes it would seem to satisfy some of the customer base, and at least they have done the decent thing by making it free (which will at least secure future revenues by retaining that portion of the fan base...)

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Orkboy wrote...

Bioware needs to ask themselves...

Are they getting rid of SpaceHitler and SpaceMagic completely or making them a halucination?

If the answer is NO.

Then why the **** bother. A turd is still a piece of **** no matter how shiney it is.

Think of this situation as the intro to ME2, both of us ( customers and BW) are Joker trying to save the Normandy, the customers Normandy is Bioware, BioWares Normandy is the ending.