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on the mass effect 3 endings. NO WE ARE NOT LISTENING...
that should be the name of this thread. i am currently packing all of my bioware products and am going to sell them today, i am finished and i have had enough. i have friends here so ill still use the forum but bioware will never get a cent from me again
On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.
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#14227
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:54
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Maybe if our complains were written in ancient cuneiform alphabet, BW would have understand them better.
#14228
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:57
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This is how I see the ending playing out:
Everything is as it is in the Destroy (red) ending except it turns out that it was indoctrination - which Shep broke by choosing that option. EVERYTHING from the Harbinger blast up to Shep breaking the indoctrination wasn't real - including Joker turning and running away from the fight which is totally out of character for someone who didn't even want to abandon the Normandy when the Collectors attacked at the start of ME2, so he's no coward.
Shep has disrupted the Reaper signal but the fight is still on and you get one of two or three full endings based on your EMS: either the fight is futile and, even with the signal disrupted, the Reapers win because of their sheer numbers... or the good guys win because your EMS is high enough. There could be a third middle of the road ending for those who had a high but not perfect EMS.
There's no choice involved after breaking the indoctrination, it's based on how you played the game and whether or not you got enough assets to turn to fill the EMS bar (and, yes, there's plenty of assets there without playing multiplayer; I filled it even before Rannoch).
Even if that doesn't happen, I want the ending to make as much sense - to be in line with the rest of the trilogy's writing and to reflect the choices.
Everything is as it is in the Destroy (red) ending except it turns out that it was indoctrination - which Shep broke by choosing that option. EVERYTHING from the Harbinger blast up to Shep breaking the indoctrination wasn't real - including Joker turning and running away from the fight which is totally out of character for someone who didn't even want to abandon the Normandy when the Collectors attacked at the start of ME2, so he's no coward.
Shep has disrupted the Reaper signal but the fight is still on and you get one of two or three full endings based on your EMS: either the fight is futile and, even with the signal disrupted, the Reapers win because of their sheer numbers... or the good guys win because your EMS is high enough. There could be a third middle of the road ending for those who had a high but not perfect EMS.
There's no choice involved after breaking the indoctrination, it's based on how you played the game and whether or not you got enough assets to turn to fill the EMS bar (and, yes, there's plenty of assets there without playing multiplayer; I filled it even before Rannoch).
Even if that doesn't happen, I want the ending to make as much sense - to be in line with the rest of the trilogy's writing and to reflect the choices.
#14229
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 07:59
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they listened people.....They just decided not to cave in to the vocal minority and give something to the majority.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:00
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RealStyli wrote...
This is how I see the ending playing out:
Everything is as it is in the Destroy (red) ending except it turns out that it was indoctrination - which Shep broke by choosing that option. EVERYTHING from the Harbinger blast up to Shep breaking the indoctrination wasn't real - including Joker turning and running away from the fight which is totally out of character for someone who didn't even want to abandon the Normandy when the Collectors attacked at the start of ME2, so he's no coward.
Shep has disrupted the Reaper signal but the fight is still on and you get one of two or three full endings based on your EMS: either the fight is futile and, even with the signal disrupted, the Reapers win because of their sheer numbers... or the good guys win because your EMS is high enough. There could be a third middle of the road ending for those who had a high but not perfect EMS.
There's no choice involved after breaking the indoctrination, it's based on how you played the game and whether or not you got enough assets to turn to fill the EMS bar (and, yes, there's plenty of assets there without playing multiplayer; I filled it even before Rannoch).
Even if that doesn't happen, I want the ending to make as much sense - to be in line with the rest of the trilogy's writing and to reflect the choices.
I'm really hoping with this they'll really reflect any of the alliances you forged and how well it'll all play out in the battle. I have a gut feeling that they'll just sort of extend a couple of the cut scenes though.
#14231
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:00
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Majority hates the ending, fact.
The evidence is everywhere.
The evidence is everywhere.
#14232
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:01
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Can you take the time to read this article, they got some nice ideas:
http://www.gamefront...n-get-it-right/
http://www.gamefront...n-get-it-right/
#14233
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:01
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rrtda wrote...
PLZ watch this video it really does make my blood boil and mostly because they lied and becase they refuse to comment on that they lied and cover their asses by saying that it was their artistic integrity. THTA IS A LIE you told us that the ending would be nothing like what we got now we want what you said you would give us
Wow they really brought this on themselves. I didn't know they told that many lies. I only read the ones from Hudson. I mean it's like digging a gigantic hole for yourself. If they had just said nothing it would have been better than pumping the game up with all these unrealistic expectations. The fans have a very valid reason toe be upset, but I always thought that.
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#14234
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:02
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You guys are hilarious. Your sense of entitlement knows no bounds. The Franchise will continue with or without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
#14235
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:04
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Norrin_Radd wrote...
You guys are hilarious. Your sense of entitlement knows no bounds. The Franchise will continue with or without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Numbers don't lie. The number that know the ending sucks and makes no sense? Outweighs those who think it's good. As much artistic integrity BS they want to throw forward, they're a business. Customers will come first.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:04
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Norrin_Radd wrote...
You guys are hilarious. Your sense of entitlement knows no bounds. The Franchise will continue with or without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You obviously don't understand the concept or value of money.
If they screw this up, it won't just be the franchise that dies but the entire company. Have fun with that
#14237
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:06
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Thanatos144 wrote...
RealStyli wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
I have and will reply to what I don't agree with anytime I like thank yougarytwine wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
This thread is proof that most of you are mad cause Shep bites it in the end and the relays go boom. Cause if the extended cut is there to fill in the plot holes thats all that left to complain about. Well that and what that guy said that wasn't to bright.
For the love of God. Please... just... be... quiet. Don't reply to every you don't agree with. Don't argue Black is White or that the Earth is flat.
You're like acting like a caracture of some character from a character TV show. "You don't want to do it like that, you should do it like this! Naaahhhhh! You were wrong and I was right. Naaahh nahhh neh naahhh nahhh."
Please, I would actually pay you to be quiet at this point.
I actually feel physically sickened by the news about the 'Extending cut'. I'm really not sure what to think anymore. Is this good, is this bad. Is this what indoctrination feels like...
and don't really care that you think I should be silenced for not
thinking like you. I am not asking you to be silent. I am can , have ,
and will state my opinion as much as you will. If you don't like it don't
read it.
Except you're not making an informed argument. We respect your right to an opinion but, at the very least, read up on why people are angry at the ending before saying a blanket and mostly false statement.
We're not angry because Shep dies, we were told this was his/her last game so I think a lot of people assumed he/she would die. So I think you're wrong there. Plus, in the "destroy" ending, Shep lives.
The Relays being destroyed is a different matter and, yes, it's a big deal. It would be like when you finish Railroad Tycoon if all the trains blow up - an integral part of the series, indeed the technology that the universe relies on to exist. You're right, we are mad at that bit as it makes no sense if more games set in the universe are on the way, as BioWare said.
I am making informed posts. I am just making some you don't like. From
the start you all knew that the relays were traps made by the reapers so
it makes sense to me that they go with them. I know most don't like it
but if you are only worried about plot holes then the extended cut should
fill those......If you are still upset then it isn't plot holes that's
bothering you is it?
^^
Agree with Thanatos144. Plus the destruction of the relays and all those races being stranded in Alliance space is ripe with interesting story possibilities.
#14238
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:07
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Huojin wrote...
Norrin_Radd wrote...
You guys are hilarious. Your sense of entitlement knows no bounds. The Franchise will continue with or without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You obviously don't understand the concept or value of money.
If they screw this up, it won't just be the franchise that dies but the entire company. Have fun with that
Please, EA, please Bioware, please everyone who has worked so hard on this:
Don't. Let. It. Happen.
Don't provide us with explanations, we've come up with a few brilliant ones ourselves. Take them, use them and give Shepard a real ending. One in which Shepard can either die ingloriously, or save the universe from the Reapers. Then you can sell us a sequal in which someone else fights to clean up the final remaining Reapers or something.
#14239
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:11
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The ending is objectively bad. There is nothing artistic about it when held up to the rest of the series. It was a rush job and they're too stubborn to admit it. You can put a little black dress on a broom stick but don't dare try to convince me it's Audrey Hepburn.
Not only are the decisions offered to us bad(renegades might find all three of them preferable in a way, but a Paragon is boned), but the character Bioware created(let's face it, we could only grow Shepard as a person within the boundaries they set) wouldn't just roll over like that and let some stupid reaper with a stupid reason bulldoze them into working FOR them.
In fact let's elaborate on the reason for the reapers and their reaping. We went from "You exist because we allow it, and will end because we demand it." to "We're a synthetic race killing you off so you don't kill yourselves with a synthetic race. Even though you just made peace between the Quarians and the Geth and helped EDI feel alive."
Way to go from mysterious and scary to dumb in 15 seconds.
I'm not a fan of talking down at something because it's been done before, because honestly it's hard when most everything has been done before. They key about using overused themes is to do it spectacularly enough you make up for the fact. Mass Effect 3 did not do that. Not to mention the themes they presented at the end don't exactly fit with the long-running themes of the game.
So no, people aren't happy with just explanations and closure, even before seeing them, because we're still stuck with a poor ending to an incredible franchise and they expect us to eat it, smile, and praise them for it. Bioware is putting a band-aid on a wound that needs stitches. We don't need the ending explained. We aren't stupid, we know exactly what you shoehorned us into; it's unquestionably bad. This is what we've been trying to tell you. You may have heard us, but you sure as hell weren't listening.
Bioware: I kind of expected this from you. Anyone capable of seeing through your PR speech knew it. We waited patiently for a month out of faith alone, faith you asked us to have in you that you would make it right. Maybe I figured you'd gain some humility after listening to us when we repeatedly told you that addressing just ONE of the issues wasn't going to cut it. You can keep your flimsy integrity. You can keep your games. I will be keeping my money. My fiance will be keeping his money, and we will exercise word of mouth to the best of our ability. I never demanded a new ending. I gave you a chance to provide us with one that lived up to the awesome name of Bioware. I could have, and should have walked away the second I finished the game and never looked back. Instead I decided to give you a chance. But if this ending is what constitutes as living up to the name of Bioware then it's not a company I can support anymore. I'm sorry it had to end this way. I wish I was apologizing for ever doubting you.
-As I read this back to my fiance, I was fine until I got to the part where I said "I never demanded an ending." I started to choke up. Say what you want about me, read poorly into my word/feelings, put words in my mouth and insult me as much as you want, but this is how I feel. I think it's pretty obvious that Bioware cares more about positive remarks than anything else. They keep shoving it in our faces like it's supposed to make us feel better. This action is about trying to get by with the bare minimum in the hopes they'll shut us up. That isn't respect, that's disdain.
Not only are the decisions offered to us bad(renegades might find all three of them preferable in a way, but a Paragon is boned), but the character Bioware created(let's face it, we could only grow Shepard as a person within the boundaries they set) wouldn't just roll over like that and let some stupid reaper with a stupid reason bulldoze them into working FOR them.
In fact let's elaborate on the reason for the reapers and their reaping. We went from "You exist because we allow it, and will end because we demand it." to "We're a synthetic race killing you off so you don't kill yourselves with a synthetic race. Even though you just made peace between the Quarians and the Geth and helped EDI feel alive."
Way to go from mysterious and scary to dumb in 15 seconds.
I'm not a fan of talking down at something because it's been done before, because honestly it's hard when most everything has been done before. They key about using overused themes is to do it spectacularly enough you make up for the fact. Mass Effect 3 did not do that. Not to mention the themes they presented at the end don't exactly fit with the long-running themes of the game.
So no, people aren't happy with just explanations and closure, even before seeing them, because we're still stuck with a poor ending to an incredible franchise and they expect us to eat it, smile, and praise them for it. Bioware is putting a band-aid on a wound that needs stitches. We don't need the ending explained. We aren't stupid, we know exactly what you shoehorned us into; it's unquestionably bad. This is what we've been trying to tell you. You may have heard us, but you sure as hell weren't listening.
Bioware: I kind of expected this from you. Anyone capable of seeing through your PR speech knew it. We waited patiently for a month out of faith alone, faith you asked us to have in you that you would make it right. Maybe I figured you'd gain some humility after listening to us when we repeatedly told you that addressing just ONE of the issues wasn't going to cut it. You can keep your flimsy integrity. You can keep your games. I will be keeping my money. My fiance will be keeping his money, and we will exercise word of mouth to the best of our ability. I never demanded a new ending. I gave you a chance to provide us with one that lived up to the awesome name of Bioware. I could have, and should have walked away the second I finished the game and never looked back. Instead I decided to give you a chance. But if this ending is what constitutes as living up to the name of Bioware then it's not a company I can support anymore. I'm sorry it had to end this way. I wish I was apologizing for ever doubting you.
-As I read this back to my fiance, I was fine until I got to the part where I said "I never demanded an ending." I started to choke up. Say what you want about me, read poorly into my word/feelings, put words in my mouth and insult me as much as you want, but this is how I feel. I think it's pretty obvious that Bioware cares more about positive remarks than anything else. They keep shoving it in our faces like it's supposed to make us feel better. This action is about trying to get by with the bare minimum in the hopes they'll shut us up. That isn't respect, that's disdain.
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#14240
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:13
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-Sigh- Well at least the music in the game was complete and awesome.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:18
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I think, once the DLC is released and they start to tally up exactly how many people download it. Exactly how many people aren't happy with the ending in its current state, Bioware will have the shock of their lives. All of the people that don't use forums or don't speak up. They will be heard when they press download. I wouldnt be surprised if its in the hundreds of thousands. I really want to see those figures. Silent majority of people who liked the ending? I don't think so...
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:20
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LMAOHuojin wrote...
Norrin_Radd wrote...
You guys are hilarious. Your sense of entitlement knows no bounds. The Franchise will continue with or without you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
You obviously don't understand the concept or value of money.
If they screw this up, it won't just be the franchise that dies but the entire company. Have fun with that
) to much! I am not thinking this will be but more than a small bump.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:21
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I am sure you are right... No business wants to see a couple hundred cusomers go away... I guess they should get by with the thousands they have left.garytwine wrote...
I think, once the DLC is released and they start to tally up exactly how many people download it. Exactly how many people aren't happy with the ending in its current state, Bioware will have the shock of their lives. All of the people that don't use forums or don't speak up. They will be heard when they press download. I wouldnt be surprised if its in the hundreds of thousands. I really want to see those figures. Silent majority of people who liked the ending? I don't think so...
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:21
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garytwine wrote...
I think, once the DLC is released and they start to tally up exactly how many people download it. Exactly how many people aren't happy with the ending in its current state, Bioware will have the shock of their lives. All of the people that don't use forums or don't speak up. They will be heard when they press download. I wouldnt be surprised if its in the hundreds of thousands. I really want to see those figures. Silent majority of people who liked the ending? I don't think so...
Geez, the number of downloads isn't going to tell anyone anything. Everyone is going to download it regardless of how they feel about the ending.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:22
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Artistic integrity my arse...
Since when has plagiarism had artistic integrity
Since when has plagiarism had artistic integrity
#14246
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:22
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up to 8 frinds now not buying me3 off of what i told them. i have all 3 systems and a top of the line pc,be ssure no one i know will want to play me3 after i;m done with them.only way to hurt bw and the devil that is ea is thru money.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:23
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Thanatos144 wrote...
they listened people.....They just decided not to cave in to the vocal minority and give something to the majority.
I don't think it's the minority that has issues with the ending. All of my friends, bar one, have some issues with it. Granted, my friends don't consist of the entire fan base, but whats stoping your silent majority from speeking up?
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:23
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Dear BIOWARE READ THIS please
if you want give us Extended Ending give us some real, good boss fight. Mass effect series is common from epic boss fights. Why in ME3 we do not have it in last battle?
Regards.
if you want give us Extended Ending give us some real, good boss fight. Mass effect series is common from epic boss fights. Why in ME3 we do not have it in last battle?
Regards.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:24
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secretsubscriber wrote...
garytwine wrote...
I think, once the DLC is released and they start to tally up exactly how many people download it. Exactly how many people aren't happy with the ending in its current state, Bioware will have the shock of their lives. All of the people that don't use forums or don't speak up. They will be heard when they press download. I wouldnt be surprised if its in the hundreds of thousands. I really want to see those figures. Silent majority of people who liked the ending? I don't think so...
Geez, the number of downloads isn't going to tell anyone anything. Everyone is going to download it regardless of how they feel about the ending.
It's true. I'll be going to YouTube before downloading it, but I can't deny I am curious. I'm sure a lot of people will download it just for curiousity if nothing else. If this sorts anything out I'll at least be satisfied about ME3 but I won't be purchasing BW again now I know they can't be trusted.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:25
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garytwine wrote...
I think, once the DLC is released and they start to tally up exactly how many people download it. Exactly how many people aren't happy with the ending in its current state, Bioware will have the shock of their lives. All of the people that don't use forums or don't speak up. They will be heard when they press download. I wouldnt be surprised if its in the hundreds of thousands. I really want to see those figures. Silent majority of people who liked the ending? I don't think so...
people will download it for one reason only... it is free
