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[Reptilian Rob]

sistersafetypin wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

LOL you didn't listen at all Chris!

Can we delete this thread now, since that is pretty obvious?

Oh! And replace the title of this thread as: "LOL, It's called ART!"

WHY YOU NO UNDERSTAND ART, FANS!?

[Indigo the Cat]

I suppose it's hard to alter already released game content... but the 'extra cinematic sequences added on to the original endings' is more of an insult than a solution.

[Benchpress610]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

sistersafetypin wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

LOL you didn't listen at all Chris!

Can we delete this thread now, since that is pretty obvious?

Oh! And replace the title of this thread as: "LOL, It's called ART!"

WHY YOU NO UNDERSTAND ART, FANS!?

These days they call anything "art" 

Modifié par Benchpress610, 05 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[AkaXan]

I can see Bioware having a hissy fit that no ones gets thier artistic genius behind those plothole ridden, lore and logic destroying endings. Just watch Bioware will pull out of Pax at the last second.

Its clear that Bioware want to reset the ME universe with the view to whoring a new universe, probelm is they have killed any desire to play the Mass Effect games again or for that matter buy furure DLC and games.
Now that they have shown they didnt listen at all to what fans actually wanted. Mass Effect fans wanted a real reflection of their choices and for those choices to determine the outcome of their journey if the put the work in the should get an ending that reflects that work.

What fans constantly said they didnt want was the god awful endings explained, as no amount of explination can fix the damage done by such poorly concived writing,

Bioware dont care, the craptastic Reaper/god child nonsense stays and we get more of it to try and explain why its not broken.

I really cant see any reason to buy DLC for a game where the ending destorys the whole point of replaying the Mass Effect series, which was to see the effect of different choices would have. At this point any paid for DLC is going to bomb. I'm sure EA/Bioware have a lot planned, but why would any ME fan buy it when they know whatever choices they do, any actions they take mean nothing in the end.

Its going to be a extreamly difficult to get people to buy into any DLC. Bioware has killed a lot of their DLC sales with all this crap.

[Sans Changer]

Anyone who looks at my past posts will see that I've been patient and understanding, but as I've watched the ending, thought about the implications, thought about the betrayal of what the games were supposed to be... I've had enough.

To the voice actors, artists, programmers, designers, and everyone else who gave us such great games: we adore you. Unfortunately your talents have been squandered. I hope the pay was good and we see more of you all in future, better products.

To those who forced this "three-flavors but still comes out crap" ending: you betrayed the art when you rendered all previous choices, fights, decisions NULL AND VOID.

The ending(s) do not match the dynamics of the series (choices matter).
The ending(s) do not thematically match the series (Shepard accepts what he is being told and just does it).

The ending(s) betray the art of the previous games, including the third. There is no artistic integrity here... just a cheap commercial product that cashes in on the hard work of certain creators to get customers invested in those creations.

Do you think some touching music and flashes of characters we have become emotionally invested in is "art"? It's called SENTIMENTALITY, which should be a BANE for all true creators looking for a real ending/closure:

"another expression of 'ego/Self confusion', where the ego enjoys a make-believe version of non-egocentric qualities associated with the Self. It takes on their outward form, but SEPARATED from their INNER TRUE REALITY."
-Booker, Christopher - "The Seven Basic Plots"

In other words- tapping into "mindless emotion" that serves the ego, like a sad movie that you later realize wasn't actually that sad at all, but took all the right steps to fool you into thinking it was.

It's a cheap trick. That's the "artistic integrity" and legacy of Mass Effect now... a cheap trick.

This is my last post on this forum. I am out of here.

[Vossil]

Indigo the Cat wrote...

I suppose it's hard to alter already released game content... but the 'extra cinematic sequences added on to the original endings' is more of an insult than a solution.

Yeah pretty much, I couldn't care less about additional cinematics. They'll just give me more plotholes, the writers here just killed it. Killed one of the most epic franchises the gaming world had to offer.
This will go down as one of the biggest letdowns in the gaming history.
Sorry, but unless you give us a non-cliché and non-typical sledgehammer action movie ending without plotholes, you don't get a single cent from me for future projects.

Modifié par Vossil, 05 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[anonymous137]

Clearly you did not listen. We told you we wanted spacebrat gone. We told you we wanted our choices to affect the outcome. We told you we wanted the A, B, or C endings(which you said you weren't going to do, but did anyway) gone! In none of those did we ask for clarification. We wanted change so we could enjoy our favorite series and recommend it to other people. Unless this "clarification" is indoctrination theory, I'm done with Bioware.

[Hemmel]

 About the ending.

Shephard has fought across the galaxy and against all the odds.

He fight shis way to the command center of the Reaper. all good so far.

Reson why the ending is artistcally flawed.

1) No rational for the Reaper command programe to now say.'As you got here i am now going to give you 3 choice,  right now after we have been fighting to kill you and all your kind'. makes no sense. why would the command programe no continue to defend itself.

2) Even if you accept  the premise, that the reaper control AI has decided to give Shephard three choice all of which will likely kill him. He would not accept this and say ok. He would continue to fight and attempt to look for a solution to recode the Reapers, or switch off the Reaper AI Control programe. Again he would not take an option after the control programe stay 'detroy yourself into the green stream' and i promise i will merge life and symthetics into a improved life form. Please come on that is not artistic. It is poor concieved.

The game was great best i have ever played and stabe (no crashes at all).

Please give shephard the option to use his skills at the end . he wpuld not throw his life away on the say so of a Reaper AI 'saying go one Shephrad jump to your death.

Maybe sending Shephard into the heart of Harbinger with Eddi, to fight is way, with harbinger taking control, To the heart of his ship and to ultimately show the reapers that they are less evolved than Eddi is. Maybe a Eddi sacfice merging with harbinger would be a great ending.

Modifié par Hemmel, 05 avril 2012 - 10:26 .

[BullZeye0622]

Its times like these I thank the divines for Bethesda. They are my escape from disasters like these, and bonus: they actually deliver 150% on what they say, and the lore is consistent with the plot! *gasp*
Bioware, I was really hoping you would fix this so I could invest in buying ME3 on my PC too, but the thought of that now is laughable.
In retrospect, I had considered the following option (though it is literally in its embryonic stage, and probably has many design flaws already): perhaps BioWare had really planned this (meaning the current atrocious endings) since at least ME2, because with a galaxy now utterly helpless, it does give rise to opportunities for a new champion to come forth, one that can help pull the galaxy back together again. But the more I think about it, the more flaws I see in it, and the stupider it sounds. Either way, I'd never pay for such a game anyway after this fiasco. I'm off to being the Dragonborn again...

[ArenCordial]

MonteZ34 wrote...

Well, it was a fun ride Bioware, until ME3. Your choice to side with your writing team is of course all yours to make.

I will also be making a choice. I will no longer purchase your product. I will rent your games or buy them used. Either way, you won't see a dime from myself. You've completely broken faith with your fan base and now you will reap the rewards of doing so. I enjoyed ME1 and ME2, but after DA2 and ME3 you no longer have my faith or trust as a company and have joined the ranks of any other development studio. Bioware as a brand used to mean top notch games and storytelling, but now it is synonymous with mediocrity and rushing product for money.

Thanks for the fun, I just wish that it hadn't ended on such a sour note.

-An ex-loyal customer

Well said sir.  You mirror my feeling exactly, though I doubt I will even rent/buy used.

[StillOverrated]

Oh! And by the way, if the whole Mass Shift thing is for really reals and not an elaborate troll attempt, it's a really really REALLY bad idea. Seriously. The Catalyst possessed Shepard's body when the Illusive Man and Cerberus Doctor #1 said that Shepard's brain was intact and didn't have any implants? What? Did it hack the vertebral implants and work its way to Shep's brain? Or was Space Magic at work again? Seems to me that it's just some failed attempt to have the whole galaxy against shep and take the Mass Effect franchise in a direction that stopped being popular in the nineties. Next you'll be telling me Rob Liefeld is gonna work on the character designs.

[megabug7]

Listening? Tell me that was a joke!?

You don't know the meaning of the word.
When you listen properly - you engage with the community and not post these nonsensical 'statements'.

It just makes the company more arrogant than they already are.

You aren't listening to anything we've said/suggested/requested as the proof is in the pudding. and frankly the pudding tastes disgusting!

The way you treat your fans/consumers is a disgrace.

Why have you not released the datapad app for other OS's?
Why are you ignoring a section of your Mass Effect Community?
Why do you treat us in general with contempt?

Simple questions require simple answers.

To remain silence makes you look extremely bad.

Modifié par megabug7, 05 avril 2012 - 10:28 .

[Jordan_Rannoch]

Hey, at least there going to do something, right? But, still, that's a pretty stupid move on there part, even if they had a backup plan. They were pretty close to losing every single fan with that risk. If I were them, I would make the DLC, IF they're even gonna make it, for FREE as an apology.

[EugeneBi]

Bioware, don't bother implementing this clarification DLC. Since it does not address any of our concerns, nobody will be there playing ME3 to enjoy it.

[EugeneBi]

Jordan_Rannoch wrote...

Hey, at least there going to do something, right? But, still, that's a pretty stupid move on there part, even if they had a backup plan. They were pretty close to losing every single fan with that risk. If I were them, I would make the DLC, IF they're even gonna make it, for FREE as an apology.

They are making free DLC by the summet which will clarify current ending. See the announcement board.

[nikola8]

EugeneBi wrote...

Bioware, don't bother implementing this clarification DLC. Since it does not address any of our concerns, nobody will be there playing ME3 to enjoy it.

Nobody?  There are plenty of fans that will stick with the series.  Sure, some will leave, but some left Dragon Age after DA2.  When they do release the next ME game (the spinoff they promised), I'm sure it will sell just fine (people just might not admit they bought it).

[Jordan_Rannoch]

Well that should get there fans back.

[Rex Fallout]

BIOWARE! We never wanted your magical space explosions explained! We wanted real endings! We wanted what we were promised! And you are tossing that out the window! I know that real fans will not be pacified with this promise of 'clarification'. And perhaps that is what you want. You want the rest of the world to just see us complaining about a problem they can't see because they don't know the lore like we do. Perhaps you want it to appear that we are just whining about nothing. If you do not change your endings, you will lose A LOT of fans. This is not a threat, but a warning. Your artistic integrity was already lost when you ignored the lore for your terrible endings. If you don't change them, people will leave. You have already begun to see that happening on this thread alone. You will lose not only fans, but as I assume you care far more about us as CUSTOMERS, you'll lose a lot of money in the long run as well. You will be forgotten for your great stories like Knights of the Old Republic, Dragon Age and Mass Effect. You will be remembered for a great studio that sold it's soul for money. End the Mass Effect series the way you promised to. End Shephards story. And don't try to sell him in a game again. He is done. Gone. El Fin. He can have a happy ever after and not show up again. He can die and not show up again. Give our choices meaning.

You are currently insulting your entire fanbase with this move. It will only push more of us away.

Then again I probably wasted my time posting this, as it appears no one from Bioware is ever going to read it.

[wraithofblades]

Ok so Extended Cut....I can appreciate wanting to maintain artistic integrity, it's what keeps Bioware from making Modern Warfare. I truly get that. But come on, honestly this is silly. I cannot see Bioware, a group who made the original Baldur's Gate series and Knights of the Old Republic messing this up this bad. I honestly think that given the end where half dead Shep takes a half dead breath while surrounded by what is clearly stone is something they are going to expand upon leaving Shep alive. No way are they going to take all the awesome relationships they let us forge, all the minute and monumental choices we made and say "sorry but f*** you". You want artistic integrity stick to what you promised in the first place and give us what you always said we had :a choice. You told us this was our story, now deliver on that.

[jeweledleah]

Benchpress610 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

speaking of Fallout one....

guess what's free on GoG for the next 48 hours? www.gog.com/en/gamecard/fallout

I think I shall replay it, for old times sakes.. and to see my choices actually matter.

Hey, you have a knack for finding good stuff.

hehe, I take no credit, just reposting what showed up on my tumblr and facebook

incidentaly (and that's a reply in general) - Shepard didn't survive destruction of the Normandy.  comic touches up a bit, Miranda's notes at the start of ME2 touch up on a subject a bit further, Jacob pretty much says that Shepard was meat and tubes, and then in ME3, on a cerberus base, you can listen to the files.  Shepard was intact enough, but otherwise dead, especialy the body.  they had to regenerate a great deal of tissue. Brain was intact, thanks to the helmet, but oxygen starved to the point where scientists on Lazarus project itself didn't think they could do it.  Miranda was confident though. (concidering that I've been reading about studies recently that allow rejuvenation of nervous tissue even now?  in real life?  ). 

Lazarus project is stretching it but they were still trying at the time.

[Kaelha]

On the Mass Effect 3 ending. No, you are not listening.

[GamerByt3]

i am a long-time ME-series player. i played ME1 enough times to have 7 level 60 characters to import to ME2. in ME2, i played with many of those ME1-imports, and ended up beating ME2 even more times than i beat ME1.
thus, i had many different Shepards ready to import into ME3. i selected my favorite, played the game with relish, and after that initial play-through have not touched the game again.
why? because the ending so tainted and diminished the story, and was so unerringly depressing, i cannot fathom going back to subject myself to such misery again, despite the wonderful experience leading up to such unrelieved disappointment.
i am...A BIT of a Mass Effect geek as you may well have guessed from my excessive playtime in all three games. i have read the entirety of the Codex repeatedly. i don't dislike the endings simply because they weren't "sunshine and bunnies" endings. no.
i HATE the ending of ME3 because it is an ill-fitting and jarring disgrace to the relative perfection of the series as a whole. ignoring the plethora of plot-holes and internal inconsistencies--which are many and varied, and in and of themselves are a big enough reason to revile the ending. in ME1 and 2, even in the darkest moments, my Shepard was able to hold out hope, coaxing the best from my teammates despite our collective fears.
the ending of ME3, especially if you've romanced Kaidan--"i can't lose you. not again" still haunts me whenever i remember it--strikes players not with satisfying catharsis, but plunges them into numbness and despair by waxing nihilistic at the most inappropriate moment possible.
this is why i am a firm believer in Retake Mass Effect 3. Bioware apparently can't see what is wrong with their own game, so it comes down to us, as true, loyal fans, to help them see it.
...with that said, i, personally, choose to view the announcement of "Extended Cut" DLC with a sort of wary, skeptical optimism--and i invite my fellow forum-goers to adopt this mindset as well.
we achieve nothing by hurling insults. we have done what we set out to do; we have called suitable attention to our grievances.
now the ball is in Bioware's court. whether or not the "clarification" addresses the problems we have righteously brought up is on their head. they are aware of our arguments.
whether they choose to give us what they know for a fact that we want is their decision. if what they give us is unsatisfactory, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
for now, if it is still worth it to you, i invite you to adopt a cautious "wait-and-see" position.
thank you for reading.

[Schanez]

Well, I just remembered something. BioWare once said that Mass Effect's universe is perfect for an MMO game. So I guess that's why we have such options in the endings. They do not want to give too much answers now. You will have to pay to get them. I do not know if it's trully like this, but it's just what I once read in an interview.

[CDRSkyShepard]

I never asked for this.

*Knows someone probably beat her to the punch on that line*

[EugeneBi]

nikola8 wrote...

EugeneBi wrote...

Bioware, don't bother implementing this clarification DLC. Since it does not address any of our concerns, nobody will be there playing ME3 to enjoy it.

Nobody?  There are plenty of fans that will stick with the series.  Sure, some will leave, but some left Dragon Age after DA2.  When they do release the next ME game (the spinoff they promised), I'm sure it will sell just fine (people just might not admit they bought it).

You mean - somebody still playing DA2? Wow...