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[Reptilian Rob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I never asked for this.

*Knows someone probably beat her to the punch on that line*

You just don't understand the art. Obviously you asked for this and Bioware thought that a quick five minute primer cutscene would be more than enough.

Closure, art, integrity!

RAZER CROSS PROMOTION!

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 05 avril 2012 - 10:41 .

[Jordan_Rannoch]

I wanted at least one of the endings to be a wedding. Where Shepard is on Rannoch and Tali is wearing a wedding dress without her suit and I get to see her beautiful face coming down that ile. Garrus my best man tells me I saved the galaxy and I deserve this one special moment. Tali makes it to the place where she stands and the Geth Preist tells Shepard that he may kiss the Bride. Then we finally get to see Shepard kissing Tali on her Quarian lips. That was a ending I wanted to see and If you all want to see it too. We all need to tell Bioware before that DLC comes out.

[Rashala]

Middle finger Gamers....PRetty much

[MissLiya]

Big thanks goes to you EA!
 

Modifié par MissLiya, 05 avril 2012 - 10:49 .

[MissLiya]

 double post oops

Modifié par MissLiya, 05 avril 2012 - 10:44 .

[CDRSkyShepard]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I never asked for this.

*Knows someone probably beat her to the punch on that line*

You just don't understand the art. Obviously you asked for this and Bioware thought that a quick five minute primer cutscene would be more than enough.

Closure, art, integrity!

RAZER CROSS PROMOTION!

*Cries*

But I'm an engineeeeering major!!! I neeeeeed things to make sennnnsssse!!!

[Reptilian Rob]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I never asked for this.

*Knows someone probably beat her to the punch on that line*

You just don't understand the art. Obviously you asked for this and Bioware thought that a quick five minute primer cutscene would be more than enough.

Closure, art, integrity!

RAZER CROSS PROMOTION!

*Cries*

But I'm an engineeeeering major!!! I neeeeeed things to make sennnnsssse!!!

Would you like a ****ty plastic Razer controller to make you feel better/buy our stuff?

[Norrin_Radd]

Using terms like Deus ex machina really says a lot about how little you guys took from the dialogs with the Reapers and the Prothean VI. True, they did not spell out every little detail. I grant you that, but it does not take much imagination to consider what happened? And why it happened?

RealStyli, I appreciate your reply, and it definitely helps me realize there are some normal people in this crowd. I can explain my interpretation of the ending, and what it means for the future of this franchise. I am not saying it is definitely what happened, it's just where my mind filled in the blanks. The reason I would have avoided this under normal circumstances, is that it is incredibly nerdy to go this in depth for an argument about a sci-fi story. But, oh well. For me, it's not so much how it ended, as it is the fiction itself.

The thing I think most people conveniently forget is that a human being lives in a time scale of around 100 years. A Reaper lives in time scales of beyond 50000 years. For whatever reason the Reapers snuff out all advanced life at 50000 years, you can rest assured that it is for a reason on a scale that dwarfs the concerns of life or death of one generation, no matter how many.

Ok, so, that sucks for people alive right now. They find out they are extremely late to a party that the Reapers have already started, millions of years before their planet was even born. Alright fine, their purpose is ancient. Beyond ancient.

But then what is reason for their purpose? This is something BioWare did not spell out directly, and most science fiction will leave vague anyways due to it being VERY hard to explain what, on a scientific level, could have such vast implications. However, there are a few events in the universe that do have such far reaching implications, at least in theoretical science. This is where my head filled in some of the blanks:

The Reaper on Rannoch says: "You represent chaos, we represent order. Every organic civilization must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos. It is inevitable. Without our intervention, organics are doomed. We are your salvation."

Chaos, can also be explained as Entropy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy)

"The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total
entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the
entropy of some other system. Hence, in a system isolated from its
environment, the entropy of that system will tend not to decrease. It
follows that heat will not flow from a colder body to a hotter body
without the application of work (the imposition of order) to the colder
body. Secondly, it is impossible for any device operating on a cycle to
produce net work from a single temperature reservoir; the production of
net work requires flow of heat from a hotter reservoir to a colder
reservoir. As a result, there is no possibility of a perpetual motion system. It follows that a reduction in the increase of entropy in a specified process, such as a chemical reaction, means that it is energetically more efficient."

In other words, energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted, or manipulated. The natural flow of energy (or heat\\motion) in a closed system without influence, is for energy to disperse. Order, in any form, is the most difficult state particles can assume. This is why perpetual motion is impossible, because this is a law of nature.

With that in mind, what does that have to do with Reapers, and their intent? Heat Death... (http://en.wikipedia....of_the_universe)

"The heat death of the universe is a suggested ultimate fate of the universe, in which the universe has diminished to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain motion or life. Heat death does not imply any particular absolute temperature; it only requires that temperature differences or other process may no longer be exploited to perform work. In the language of physics, this is when the universe reaches the maximum entropy."

"The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system. If the universe lasts for a sufficient time, it will asymptotically approach a state where all energy is evenly distributed. In other words, in nature there is a tendency to the dissipation (energy loss) of mechanical energy (motion); hence, by extrapolation, there exists the view that the mechanical movement of the universe will run down, as work is converted to heat, in time due to the second law."

This is a real theoretical possibility for the "end" of the universe. Where by, all interactions, of any kind, will cease to be possible. In terms of Mass Effect, that Reaper on Rannoch says that all life must be "Harvested". The only reason I can see this as being necessary, is if life, as we know it, causes entropy to increase in the universe, faster than it would naturally. But since energy can not be created or distroyed, this could be the way for the Reapers to continue a cycle of life, without causing irreversible harm to the universe. It seems particularly devilish to have to wipe out whole species, but when you take in to account things like the Krogan, who multiply faster than the galaxy can even support, or evolution where organics are actually creating new life forms (the Geth, etc). The cycle leads toward an energy usage singularity. At a certain point, there would be no way to return order to the entropy, and the possibility of heat death of the universe would take place.

A particularly advanced race in the early galaxy\\universe could have seen this as the ultimate problem facing the cosmos. They created the Mass Relays, the Citadel, and the Reapers, in order to allow life to continue, as a renewable resource in regards to the universal amount of total energy available.

I also think that the Crucible could have been created by the same people who made the Mass Relays, Citadel, and the Reapers, as an end game for the cycle. That's where Shepard and his choices come in to play. You have to think of the game more like Heavy Rain, and less like Chrono Trigger at this point. There is an end, and the story will get there no matter what you do. The end goal is, getting the crucible built and using it. Your choice at the end, has to be made, though. The cycle has to end, one way or another. Option 1: The Reapers can do their thing, and take the entire galaxy, like they have always done. Option 2: Use the crucible.

If the Crucible was designed by the same people who made the Reapers (etc) then it makes sense that they still call the shots. The crucible ends the cycle by removing the reaper harvesting forever, but the stipulation is that you can no longer evolve on the paths they have chosen. For better or worse. I'm not sure what that means in regards to chaos and order, but perhapos the Synthesis ending is the correct answer?

TL;DR: Just one fans thoughts.

[Dublinguy65]

This whole thing smells really stinky to me. BioWare marketing notes in [brackets]. BioWare: "Hey guys guess what? You get clarification on the endings [not that one really wants that] and it's free [well you can't really sell crap]. Just wait till the summer [by then we will have rolled out more junk DLC to charge you for] and it retains our artist license [buhahah] so hold on those ME3 copies [and please don't sell them].

Modifié par Dublinguy65, 05 avril 2012 - 10:55 .

[Trapper_920]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

I never asked for this.

*Knows someone probably beat her to the punch on that line*

You just don't understand the art. Obviously you asked for this and Bioware thought that a quick five minute primer cutscene would be more than enough.

Closure, art, integrity!

RAZER CROSS PROMOTION!

*Cries*

But I'm an engineeeeering major!!! I neeeeeed things to make sennnnsssse!!!

Make sense and actually be different endings not different colored explosions and all the same ultimate end.

Talk about the fans...

[ArkOllie]

The only reason they're making the ending free is because no one would bother with it otherwise

[chevyguy87]

ArkOllie wrote...

The only reason they're making the ending free is because no one would bother with it otherwise

No their doing this because they feel that if they throw enough free stuff our way we will forget about the bigger picture and continue to contribute to their salaries.

I dont buy it unless this DLC is godlike and resolves my questions, then I have lost full trust in Bioware. I most certainly will not keep my hopes high for this though.

Modifié par chevyguy87, 05 avril 2012 - 10:59 .

[Jordan_Rannoch]

I wanted at least one of the endings to be a wedding. Where Shepard is on Rannoch and Tali is wearing a wedding dress without her suit and I get to see her beautiful face coming down that ile. Garrus my best man tells me I saved the galaxy and I deserve this one special moment. Tali makes it to the place where she stands and the Geth Preist tells Shepard that he may kiss the Bride. Then we finally get to see Shepard kissing Tali on her Quarian lips. That was a ending I wanted to see and If you all want to see it too. We all need to tell Bioware before that DLC comes out.

[Fred_MacManus]

It's been made abundantly clear that it doesn't matter what we tell Bioware. They still think they can feed us a **** sandwich and we'll smile for them. Ah, well. Time to look at what OTHER publishers offer. I hear CDProjektRed has something interesting. As does Bethesda.

[Exzandria]

THE ONLY WAY I WILL BE HAPPY IS IF SHEPARD AND COMPANIONS LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SINCE YOU ARE NOT CHANGING THE ENDING YOU HAVE LOST MY SUPPORT

[Rammastus]

Norrin_Radd wrote...

Using terms like Deus ex machina really says a lot about how little you guys took from the dialogs with the Reapers and the Prothean VI. True, they did not spell out every little detail. I grant you that, but it does not take much imagination to consider what happened? And why it happened?

RealStyli, I appreciate your reply, and it definitely helps me realize there are some normal people in this crowd. I can explain my interpretation of the ending, and what it means for the future of this franchise. I am not saying it is definitely what happened, it's just where my mind filled in the blanks. The reason I would have avoided this under normal circumstances, is that it is incredibly nerdy to go this in depth for an argument about a sci-fi story. But, oh well. For me, it's not so much how it ended, as it is the fiction itself.

The thing I think most people conveniently forget is that a human being lives in a time scale of around 100 years. A Reaper lives in time scales of beyond 50000 years. For whatever reason the Reapers snuff out all advanced life at 50000 years, you can rest assured that it is for a reason on a scale that dwarfs the concerns of life or death of one generation, no matter how many.

Ok, so, that sucks for people alive right now. They find out they are extremely late to a party that the Reapers have already started, millions of years before their planet was even born. Alright fine, their purpose is ancient. Beyond ancient.

But then what is reason for their purpose? This is something BioWare did not spell out directly, and most science fiction will leave vague anyways due to it being VERY hard to explain what, on a scientific level, could have such vast implications. However, there are a few events in the universe that do have such far reaching implications, at least in theoretical science. This is where my head filled in some of the blanks:

The Reaper on Rannoch says: "You represent chaos, we represent order. Every organic civilization must be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos. It is inevitable. Without our intervention, organics are doomed. We are your salvation."

Chaos, can also be explained as Entropy. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy)

"The second law of thermodynamics states that in general the total
entropy of any system will not decrease other than by increasing the
entropy of some other system. Hence, in a system isolated from its
environment, the entropy of that system will tend not to decrease. It
follows that heat will not flow from a colder body to a hotter body
without the application of work (the imposition of order) to the colder
body. Secondly, it is impossible for any device operating on a cycle to
produce net work from a single temperature reservoir; the production of
net work requires flow of heat from a hotter reservoir to a colder
reservoir. As a result, there is no possibility of a perpetual motion system. It follows that a reduction in the increase of entropy in a specified process, such as a chemical reaction, means that it is energetically more efficient."

In other words, energy can not be created or destroyed. It can only be converted, or manipulated. The natural flow of energy (or heatmotion) in a closed system without influence, is for energy to disperse. Order, in any form, is the most difficult state particles can assume. This is why perpetual motion is impossible, because this is a law of nature.

With that in mind, what does that have to do with Reapers, and their intent? Heat Death... (http://en.wikipedia....of_the_universe)

"The heat death of the universe is a suggested ultimate fate of the universe, in which the universe has diminished to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain motion or life. Heat death does not imply any particular absolute temperature; it only requires that temperature differences or other process may no longer be exploited to perform work. In the language of physics, this is when the universe reaches the maximum entropy."

"The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system. If the universe lasts for a sufficient time, it will asymptotically approach a state where all energy is evenly distributed. In other words, in nature there is a tendency to the dissipation (energy loss) of mechanical energy (motion); hence, by extrapolation, there exists the view that the mechanical movement of the universe will run down, as work is converted to heat, in time due to the second law."

This is a real theoretical possibility for the "end" of the universe. Where by, all interactions, of any kind, will cease to be possible. In terms of Mass Effect, that Reaper on Rannoch says that all life must be "Harvested". The only reason I can see this as being necessary, is if life, as we know it, causes entropy to increase in the universe, faster than it would naturally. But since energy can not be created or distroyed, this could be the way for the Reapers to continue a cycle of life, without causing irreversible harm to the universe. It seems particularly devilish to have to wipe out whole species, but when you take in to account things like the Krogan, who multiply faster than the galaxy can even support, or evolution where organics are actually creating new life forms (the Geth, etc). The cycle leads toward an energy usage singularity. At a certain point, there would be no way to return order to the entropy, and the possibility of heat death of the universe would take place.

A particularly advanced race in the early galaxyuniverse could have seen this as the ultimate problem facing the cosmos. They created the Mass Relays, the Citadel, and the Reapers, in order to allow life to continue, as a renewable resource in regards to the universal amount of total energy available.

I also think that the Crucible could have been created by the same people who made the Mass Relays, Citadel, and the Reapers, as an end game for the cycle. That's where Shepard and his choices come in to play. You have to think of the game more like Heavy Rain, and less like Chrono Trigger at this point. There is an end, and the story will get there no matter what you do. The end goal is, getting the crucible built and using it. Your choice at the end, has to be made, though. The cycle has to end, one way or another. Option 1: The Reapers can do their thing, and take the entire galaxy, like they have always done. Option 2: Use the crucible.

If the Crucible was designed by the same people who made the Reapers (etc) then it makes sense that they still call the shots. The crucible ends the cycle by removing the reaper harvesting forever, but the stipulation is that you can no longer evolve on the paths they have chosen. For better or worse. I'm not sure what that means in regards to chaos and order, but perhapos the Synthesis ending is the correct answer?

TL;DR: Just one fans thoughts.

Hmm, I never thought that deeply into it, but it does make a sort of sense.

[EugeneBi]

ArkOllie wrote...

The only reason they're making the ending free is because no one would bother with it otherwise

No one would bother with it anyway.

[Archonsg]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

Demoniszcze wrote...

Did I miss something? Shepard survived? There are three endings as far as I know. In synthesis and controll you get torn to particles, right? But in the third one the whole station still explodes, how are you ment to survive that? Or did I really miss something?

It's very brief and as far as I know, you need to play the MP to get enough EMS for it by raising Galactic Readiness. Yet another "misstatement" by BioWare. I thought I heard something about a possible fix for that, but, well......

I would love to see how Bioware is going to explain how Shepard without full and space worthy armor survives being spaced in high orbit, re-enters Earth's atmosphere without turning into a ball of fire, then survives terminal velocity and impact on rubble.

Space magic and teleportation just as you cause the capacitor dohicky that somehow contains the code to destroy all synthetics which the Catalyst clarifies, includes Shepard's cybernetic implants. So, does this mean that as long as it has a chip, choosing the Red option means the end of all tech as we know it? Including Ship navigation systems, so ya, big ass armada that came to earth to help, hope you can survive loss of power and control.

Did they explain how Shepard survived falling from space in the second game?

Actually, yes.

Shepard was fully suited, entered a thin atmospheric world, and they found him dead with his body broken with a damaged  spine, as well as most of his bones and ribs broken, his corpse had severe vacumm truma. They only were able to bring him back because his head (brain) remained mostly intact. 

[Nauks]

Yarp, Skyrim has DLC incoming in the not too distant future I couldn't ask them to shut up and take my money fast enoguh.

On the other hand, if ME3s ending isn't resolved, through IT tie-ins or whatever, you couldn't pay me to play any DLC pre-ending in the future.

[Jordan_Rannoch]

That suck I won't get to see the wedding I was hopeing for.

[Xarathos]

Jordan_Rannoch wrote...

I wanted at least one of the endings to be a wedding. Where Shepard is on Rannoch and Tali is wearing a wedding dress without her suit and I get to see her beautiful face coming down that ile. Garrus my best man tells me I saved the galaxy and I deserve this one special moment. Tali makes it to the place where she stands and the Geth Preist tells Shepard that he may kiss the Bride. Then we finally get to see Shepard kissing Tali on her Quarian lips. That was a ending I wanted to see and If you all want to see it too. We all need to tell Bioware before that DLC comes out.

... that was actually beautiful.

[Jordan_Rannoch]

Thank you I had lots of hope for it.

[YPeril]

This is certainly good news to hear that there will be an Extended Cut DLC offered free to the fans! Mass Effect has been one of the most
climactic and cinematic experiences we've all enjoyed for many years.
It's a great story and its compelling characters have been true
companions to us, the fans for many years.

That being said, all
this good will is seemingly overshadowed by the ending. Indeed, we
received many answers to the choices we made over the years with Mass
Effect 1, 2, and now 3. However, the three (starkly similar, if not
vaguely identical) endings seemed to nullify any headway the player has
made over the years in addressing long-lasting issues of the genophage,
quarian-geth relations, your variuous romances, etc. In the end, Mass
Relays are destroyed and nothing is done to actually address the effects
of the actual end on your actions. Giving everyone the feeling that
everything accomplished was really immaterial. I for one posed the
question to myself: "Why even bother save the galaxy?" These endings may
be a bittersweet victory for Commander Shephard, but remember His/Her
endstate is considerably different from ours. We want to save the
galaxy...but we also want to save our "friends."

Through much of
the game, it seemed as though our rather significant eithical and moral
decisions we've made over the years boiled down to the acquisition of
War Assets. It is my belief, that though this is a great game mechanic,
it ultimately cheapened the impact of our choices. Case in Point: We
spend time throughout the game hunting for items to give to various
people aboard the Citadel. These quests (among others) boost the level
of Citadel Security. What do we get for our efforts though? A few more
War Assets and a Citadel littered with "Human Remains" at the
end...Everytime! Again, the question of "why have even bothered."

We've
all had opportunities to invest both our time and emotions into the
story and characters of this series. It seems as though our beloved
characters that died in the game got a better end of the deal, because
by the end our, companions are left with no real future or impact from
the events of Saving the Galaxy (an event, I would consider to be a
significant one to say the least!). Commander Shephard had opportunities
to say goodbye to the cast of characters, but I don't think we the fans
truly did. Nor, did we have a chance to really farewell Commander
Shephard, since the ending took us all by surprise.

I admire the development team's desire to maintain artistic integrity over the ending.  As well they should, if we ever want games to be regarded as something more than mere distractions. Something, I think
that the Team needs to consider though, is that we the fans, over the
course of three games have helped "write" our own version of the story.
Us Long-term fans have a great deal invested in this project as anyone
else and consider ourselves to be equally entitled to have creative
authority over the creation we have helped craft and support through our
play.

Overall, 98% of the game was flawless! It left me
speechless! It wowed me! It was the best! The last two percent left me
underwhelmed and despondent (I would even go as far to say, depressing).
It left me both thinking, and saying alound: "What? That's it!? What
the -- !" I won't even mention some of the discrempencies that many
people have already mentioned.

I hope that the addition of an
Extended Cut will clarify the lingering issues we all have and allow us
all to rest easy knowing that the Galaxy is safe and our companions have
begun to carve out their new Shepard-less roles into the future.

[luci90]

OK, I sobered up a bit.

Still can't understand why they would go this rout.

We just wanted you to fix(FIX, NOT EXPLAIN) the ending so we could go back to throwing stupid amounts of money at you.

That's all.

Eh, why do I even bother. Nobody's listening.

Modifié par luci90, 05 avril 2012 - 11:16 .