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[DarkShadow]

Could a mod lock this topic? It's made by someone that just wants to troll the BSN users.

[LiarasShield]

What will it take for you to change then crappy as endings bioware will it takes armies of mass effect fans camping outside your building or having batallions of me fans around the side of your building for you to realize that lieing to your fans and give us crappy endings where our choices don't matter is ****ing redicoulous

Modifié par LiarasShield, 06 avril 2012 - 01:55 .

[VicVonShroom]

HOLY ****, you people are ****ing inconsolable. Most of you wanted closure and to get answers, you are. Now it's not enough! Now, you want a brand spanking new ending. Bioware is keeping their artistic integrity by not changing and saying that this insults fan is stupid bull****, It's been less than a month! You really think they're going to recode and rerecord the whole ending!? No, they were never going to do that and they've now confirmed it.

[Damisis]

Vader6412 wrote...

I hope some of you understand how much time, money, and work it will take to change the ending completely. This is the easiest way to give those that need closure what they want. If you guys feel you can do better than make your own franchise. Ever hear the phrase if you want something right do it yourself.

Here's something to think about, think of how much MORE money they will be losing out on by not listening to the majority fan base/customers? I won't ever support anything EA or Bioware does again. I'm one of thousands who feels this way. This EA/Bioware team has lost serious credibility and fan base. Think of how much they could gain if they listened to us... sure, in the short run they may have to fork out a little cash, work a little harder for a new ending, and deal with the internet rage, but the long run effect of that would be them retaining a bulk of their unhappy consumers, gaining credibility amongst fans, and would restore some of our faith in their 'artistic integrity.' They lose so much more by doing this, and I can only say to them, what did you expect? I don't happily say that, I've seen what this team is capable of, and it is amazing, they are selling themselves and the fans short.

[DarkShadow]

VicVonShroom wrote...

HOLY ****, you people are ****ing inconsolable. Most of you wanted closure and to get answers, you are. Now it's not enough! Now, you want a brand spanking new ending. Bioware is keeping their artistic integrity by not changing and saying that this insults fan is stupid bull****, It's been less than a month! You really think they're going to recode and rerecord the whole ending!? No, they were never going to do that and they've now confirmed it.

Look, another person that didn't read what people wrote.

[schwarzaj]

VicVonShroom wrote...

HOLY ****, you people are ****ing inconsolable. Most of you wanted closure and to get answers, you are. Now it's not enough! Now, you want a brand spanking new ending. Bioware is keeping their artistic integrity by not changing and saying that this insults fan is stupid bull****, It's been less than a month! You really think they're going to recode and rerecord the whole ending!? No, they were never going to do that and they've now confirmed it.

Hey genius, we wanted a new ending this whole time.

And Bioware's acting like this Extended Cut DLC bull****** is going to placate us. If you honestly think that Bioware is keeping their "aritistic integrity" by keeping the same endings that they said would NOT HAPPEN before ME3 launched, then your accepting Bioware lying to its customers as acceptable behavior.

[Jack Kieser]

DarkShadow wrote...

Could a mod lock this topic? It's made by someone that just wants to troll the BSN users.

This is actually a really good idea.  I think everyone who is currently upset at BioWare should go to the OP of this thread and hit the "Report" button.  Flood their mod-inboxes.  This thread, and BioWare's general reaction to us all, has been one giant troll from the beginning (I think it's fairly obvious they NEVER intended to listen to us at all), and we should make it known as such in a more tangable way than mere posting.

Post reported.

[RealStyli]

jeweledleah wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

rrtda wrote...

Interesting vid. Though I don't agree with the war assets thing, it is possible to get a full EMS bar without multiplayer I think - I played very little multiplayer (one night, maybe five games) and I still got a full EMS bar long before I reached Ranoch and there were still assets left to collect. I think the people making that complaint weren't doing all the "fetch" missions and were probably not doing a completionist run. I did almost everything in the game and my runthrough took about 34 hours.

Certainly it would seem that BioWare did make grand claims about the ending and failed to deliver on those claims. That video makes a good point in that regard.

full bar =/= assets you need to get "Sehpard breathes" ending.

bar fills up completely at about 3000ish I beleive.  you get all the ending options at 2800

you need a minimum of 4000 assuming you pass persuasion check.  5000 if you do not.

even if you do every single quest, maximize your assets, metagame the hell out of all three games with all asset giving DLC's installed?  you will fall just a bit short of that 4000 mark, becasue of the 50% readiness.  aka.  you need multiplayer to get ALl the ending options.

amusingly enough, with just a bit of multiplayer and IOS app/game.  even if you make horrible decisions, skip quests, and not even import?  it will be easier for you to get all the ending options.

Maybe those few games of MP did actually boost my EMS a lot because I easily got mine to 5000? As I said, I did more or less everything in the game, including the From Ashes DLC and all N7 missions, and I only left a couple of side quests. I scanned almost every system and collected 100% of assets in most of those. I did get the "Shep breathing" ending.

[animadpig]

It is about time to return the ME3. Tomorrow is the last day you can return the ME3. I encourage people to do it. If you still have faith in Bioware, you still should do it. After the return, you can wait until Bioware release "The Mighty DLC" in the Summer. If the DLC is good then buy it back in cheaper price. That is what I will do.

[VicVonShroom]

I have read what people have been saying, at first it was that they'd pay for a new ending, then they just wanted to get their "Blue Babies". Then closure and answers, I've kept track of what people are saying since it's on every ****ing post or video about ME that is ever put out. Oh, and to those who say that they'll lose more money by not making a new ending is also bull. You'll buy it, or else you wouldn't be on this forum, you'd have signed out and never bothered with anything related to EA or Bioware again. Arguing with you folks is pointless, even if they changed the ending to a bright Disney-like ending where miraculously lives, you'd **** about the smallest thing. At least they're trying, they made the game. Not you, not the people who wanted their blue babies or the people that wanted everyone to live happily ever after, but Bioware worked on this game tirelessly, they can dictate whatever ending they want.

[EugeneBi]

RealStyli wrote...

rrtda wrote...

Interesting vid. Though I don't agree with the war assets thing, it is possible to get a full EMS bar without multiplayer I think - I played very little multiplayer (one night, maybe five games) and I still got a full EMS bar long before I reached Ranoch and there were still assets left to collect. I think the people making that complaint weren't doing all the "fetch" missions and were probably not doing a completionist run. I did almost everything in the game and my runthrough took about 34 hours.

Certainly it would seem that BioWare did make grand claims about the ending and failed to deliver on those claims. That video makes a good point in that regard.

You can get full EMS bar without MP, sure - it is about 3,000. But to get Shep live you need 5,000. I cannot think how it is possible without MP, at least not in the saved games I have since ME1/ME2.

[chevyguy87]

I for one am still staying neutral until I hear what is to be said at PAX although now I am not so sure what they will talk about since they are hiding from this topic.

I swear if they go into talk of multiplayer...

[JoeLaTurkeyII]

Time for this thread to end.

Its misleading title should be changed at least.

[Aquilas]

@Norrin_Radd

Your post is a fascinating read.  You've devoted much thought and research to your analysis, and articulate it incisively. Well done.

But in my analysis, given Mass Effect’s physical and metaphysical principles, the Catalyst (meaning Hudson and Walters) completely, irrevocably undermines every premise underpinning its and the Reapers’ existence.  When the Catalyst meets Shepard and elaborates on the Order versus Chaos principle, it (Hudson and Walters) commits a formal logical fallacy: the Appeal to Probability. 

This is the logic structure of the fallacy: A is possible/probable, therefore A is absolute.

When Shepard meets the Catalyst, it explains that the Reapers don’t harvest all organic life; they harvest life forms advanced enough to create synthetics.  Synthetics, it says, inevitably will rebel against and destroy their creators, and then would proceed to destroy all organic life.  Remember, it’s inevitable.

But the Catalyst doesn’t know that.  It cannot know that.  It asserts it.  To truly know it, the Catalyst must be a god,
as we commonly understand it, or at the very least possess god-like powers.  Follow:

Just because a thing is possible or probable doesn’t mean it’s inevitable. If the Catalyst were basing its assertion on experience, then it’s already witnessed synthetics destroying all organic life.  If that’s the case, Shepard and his allies wouldn’t exist—the Catalyst and the Reapers would have no reason for being.  That is, unless the Catalyst re-created organic life so it and the Reapers would have something to do.  So we’re looking at some form of supreme Creator.

If the Catalyst is looking forward, the only way it could know absolutely that unchecked synthetics would destroy all organic life is if it’s infallibly prescient—divinely omniscient.  When we consider the Catalyst may have the power to re-create organic life and/or infallibly see the future, we’re most firmly in the realm of godhood.

So, is the Catalyst a god? If so, the writers cast Space Magic at the very last minute.  Never before have we seen divine intervention in the ME universe.  Yes, Ashley prays; and yes, the turians invoke the spirits; and yes, the asari invoke the goddess; but we’ve never seen a miracle.  And I mean a classic miracle.  Except maybe two pipes and a beam of light that can fundamentally alter the very fabric of existence.  So there's that.

Perhaps Shepard is experiencing a revelation—the Deity is revealing itself to Shepard the Shepherd.  If so, the ending really is sad. And I don’t mean tragic, or a downer.  I mean it’s sad because we’re seeing the end of BioWare’s run as the premier storyteller in video gaming.  A pity.

Modifié par Aquilas, 06 avril 2012 - 03:00 .

[jeweledleah]

RealStyli wrote...

Maybe those few games of MP did actually boost my EMS a lot because I easily got mine to 5000? As I said, I did more or less everything in the game, including the From Ashes DLC and all N7 missions, and I only left a couple of side quests. I scanned almost every system and collected 100% of assets in most of those. I did get the "Shep breathing" ending.

indeed they did. that's kinda the issue.  that it takes very littel multiplayer to accomplish better results then being completionist in single player.

[akenn312]

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

CDRSkyShepard wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

Bioware, weren't you fixing all of the crap that was wrong in Mass Effect: Deception? Why didn't you hold to Artistic Integrity with that, too?

In other news, explaining what happens after I'm railroaded into making one of three baffling choices doesn't really work for me.

It's because a third-party writer who didn't work for them effed up their baby, that's why.

Now it's their own darned fault, and they're digging in their heels.

Oh give me a break, they are okay with changing things in a book but call in artistic integrity on changing a simple ending in a video game? You have got to be kidding me. 

Yeah, they're okay with changing the book because they didn't write it. None of the team wrote it. The only investment they had in it was the title of the franchise on the cover. It wasn't their artistic integrity at stake, it was Dietz, who was only contracted to write the book, he didn't work for EA or BioWare.

But when he wrote something that made them look bad, heck yes, they're going to change it.

Man that is so hypocritical. What about that guys right to artistic integrity? Also they approved what he wrote, now they want to back off and act like it was his mistake not theirs?

Thats such crap.

Modifié par akenn312, 06 avril 2012 - 02:21 .

[animadpig]

http://social.biowar...5&poll_id=31465

Will you buy any game from Bioware in the future? Please vote this poll. Thanks.

[RealStyli]

jeweledleah wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

Maybe those few games of MP did actually boost my EMS a lot because I easily got mine to 5000? As I said, I did more or less everything in the game, including the From Ashes DLC and all N7 missions, and I only left a couple of side quests. I scanned almost every system and collected 100% of assets in most of those. I did get the "Shep breathing" ending.

indeed they did. that's kinda the issue.  that it takes very littel multiplayer to accomplish better results then being completionist in single player.

In that case, I retract my original statement as I can't with all honesty say that it is possible to achieve the full ending WITHOUT multiplayer as I did play some MP, however brief.

[RealStyli]

animadpig wrote...

http://social.biowar...5&poll_id=31465

Will you buy any game from Bioware in the future? Please vote this poll. Thanks.

That poll is too simplistic. Two choices? Two colours? Even ME3's ending had three!

Seriously, where's the "I will if the ending DLC addresses my concerns" option?

[Damisis]

http://social.biowar...5&poll_id=31465

Will you buy any game from Bioware in the future? Please vote this poll. Thanks

[ilWarden]

The argument that the 'destroy' ending is the best, is flawed. The Catalyst himself says that the destroy option will wipe out all synthetic life, including the Geth - and then makes a point of saying: "even you are partly synthetic". (i.e. - choose this, you die.) So how then does Shep take a breath at the end, if you get 'the best' ending?

Also, Catalyst says: "This also proves our solution won't work anymore" Shep says: "So what now?" Catalyst says: "We find a new solution." We, he says. We meaning: reapers & catalyst? Or Catalyst & Shepard? If the latter, that doesn't really hold if he basically says: "Destroy, control, or synthesize."

Also, Shep says: "Wait, i thought the Citadel was the Catalyst." The Catalyst says: "No, it is a part of me." So if it is a part of him, and HIS solution is the Reapers. Then WHY did Saren, or Sovereign need to interact with the Keepers or the Citadel AT ALL to instigate the next harvest? Why would the Reapers need a vanguard at all? Why wouldn't this clever little Catalyst just have a timer, that says "Ok boys, 50,000 years have passed, come on back now. I've got several techno-savvy civilizations inhabiting me." Forget Sovereign being the scout for the rest of the Reapers as established in ME1. Forget about the signal needing to be broadcast out. The Catalyst could technically do it all his own. He could just evaluate who was inhabiting him, and then open the relay all his own to let the dark-space reapers through. That's order from chaos.
But what did Sovereign say in ME1? "THIS STATION IS MINE." But the Catalyst states that the Reapers are HIS solution. So which is it?

Sovereign also stated that each Reaper is independent, a nation unto themselves. Doesn't sound much like a good little servant drone for a higher power to me.

And Finally, and this is what really gets me:
When Shep expresses hesitance over synthesis, Catalyst says: "Why not? Synthetics are already a part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?" Soooo then why is the Catalyst harvesting anyone AT ALL? If he already sees that evolution is steering the various races into a synthesis, then his solution is redundant!! The Reapers are unnecessary! We should be able to point that out to him, but instead HE MAKES THE STATEMENT HIMSELF, CONTRADICTING THE PURPOSE OF HIS REAPERS and Shep just goes along with it.

Someone on Youtube commented to a video about the 'destroy' ending.
He says: "So wait, you could play paragon for the entire f***ing game, and then by going renegade at the end, you save the galaxy? Well ain't that some sh**". I had to laugh.

[krukow]

Okay, I'm very happy to give the extended cut a chance and see what comes. My only suggestion would be for the Destroy ending where shepard lives. My Shepard is alive. My LI is alive. If it could be possible they wind up in the same place again going forward, I would be content with the endings.

[DarkShadow]

RealStyli wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

Maybe those few games of MP did actually boost my EMS a lot because I easily got mine to 5000? As I said, I did more or less everything in the game, including the From Ashes DLC and all N7 missions, and I only left a couple of side quests. I scanned almost every system and collected 100% of assets in most of those. I did get the "Shep breathing" ending.

indeed they did. that's kinda the issue.  that it takes very littel multiplayer to accomplish better results then being completionist in single player.

In that case, I retract my original statement as I can't with all honesty say that it is possible to achieve the full ending WITHOUT multiplayer as I did play some MP, however brief.

Haha, this is the biggest joke of Bioware, "multiplayer won't affect the singleplayer....much". It's a god damn multiplier. With a few hours of MP you can DOUBLE your EMS. For me, this meant 3500 to 7000. SERIOUSLY?