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[Cinnamintz]

Not going to jump to conclusions on this whole thing, but...

A polished turd is still by definition, a turd.

I'll happily wait and play it this summer to judge, ultimately. However, if it's what it sounds like, a few new cutscenes that try to make some semblance of sense out of that disjointed and misguided ending, then I'll just as happily grab my hat and move on from BioWare's region of space. No company or game franchise is worth investing my time and money into if they are dead convinced I'll drink the sand just because I'm thirsty.

[Iconoclaste]

Cinnamintz wrote...
 No company or game franchise is worth investing my time and money into if they are dead convinced I'll drink the sand just because I'm thirsty.

Quite understandable. But they still need to appreciate how many players feel like that, and the "clarification DLC" will probably filter many out of indecision.

[CaptainIngenuity]

Iconoclaste wrote...

I know from experience that the outcry will calm down a bit, then the "moderate" will come in to voice their opinion. Then, the focus will be back on reasonable assumptions. They cannot please each and everyone, they have the gaming press and the happy / unhappy players, plu$ the manager$ and corporate obligation$.

Let's assume they did not release this last statement (extended ending cutscenes) just to "appease" one of the main concerns of the fans. It could also be aimed at stimulating further discussions, just "baiting the fish" to get more ideas from those who are not included in the "clarification" category. Jessica Merizan was on twitter earlier today, and wrote that it was possible for Shepard to still live at the end, even to reunite with stranded squadmates, that nobody was going to starve to death from the destruction of mass relays, that the explosions did not destroy the whole systems, that depending on choices made by players, it might even be possible to rebuild relays, etc.

If this is true, even just partly, then it looks better than nothing, and leaves room for expectations.

From the same person who thought joker landed on earth?  with two moons?

More PR doublespeak is a more realistic approach.  As is any announcement the day before a major event in which two individuals largely believed to be responsible for the endings are not scheduled to be at.  Use the words "artistic integrity" to defend your ending and then state discussion will not be made as to the DLC at the event the NEXT DAY?  Nah, no thanks.

There is no artistic integrity in objective and massive failure

[retic]

Wow. Just wow. I've herd of rabid fans but what I've read so far is just....astonishing.

You hated the endings. Okay. I get that. What I don't getis that they're already offering FREE content to supplement the endings and still...the hate continues.

Yep, I played the entire mass effect series. And yep, I liked the ending. I'm keeping an open mind for the extended cut, but I just don't understand why the hate still continues.

First said rabid fans harassed one of their writers (dragon age 2....thanks too for making bsn give me that constant pop up not to harass people) ...then they start giving all sorts of insults to the creative talents of BW when they seemed to have forgotten that they were FORCED to change the endings when some douche leaked the original endings....which no doubt, they worked on far longer than the "rushed" endings.

Bioware, you did a fine job then with me3, and good job in making free content for the fans, but just remember, haters will always hate.

[o Ventus]

retic wrote...

Wow. Just wow. I've herd of rabid fans but what I've read so far is just....astonishing.

You hated the endings. Okay. I get that. What I don't getis that they're already offering FREE content to supplement the endings and still...the hate continues.

Yep, I played the entire mass effect series. And yep, I liked the ending. I'm keeping an open mind for the extended cut, but I just don't understand why the hate still continues.

First said rabid fans harassed one of their writers (dragon age 2....thanks too for making bsn give me that constant pop up not to harass people) ...then they start giving all sorts of insults to the creative talents of BW when they seemed to have forgotten that they were FORCED to change the endings when some douche leaked the original endings....which no doubt, they worked on far longer than the "rushed" endings.

Bioware, you did a fine job then with me3, and good job in making free content for the fans, but just remember, haters will always hate.

I could point out the numerous spelling and grammar errors in this hilarious bit, but I'll bite.

No one was asking for clarification. Well, maybe some people were, but damn near not everyone. Every other request I've seen was for a new ending, preferably one with less than 20 objective plot holes to fill.

I would award you bonus points, but the bold is a flat lie. The current endings were IN THE LEAK, or did you not read it?

[Iconoclaste]

CaptainIngenuity wrote...

From the same person who thought joker landed on earth?  with two moons?

More PR doublespeak is a more realistic approach.  As is any announcement the day before a major event in which two individuals largely believed to be responsible for the endings are not scheduled to be at.  Use the words "artistic integrity" to defend your ending and then state discussion will not be made as to the DLC at the event the NEXT DAY?  Nah, no thanks.

There is no artistic integrity in objective and massive failure

What would you expect, then?

[Iconoclaste]

o Ventus wrote...

No one was asking for clarification. Well, maybe some people were, but damn near not everyone.

Maybe just enough for what they already had in store, for free. But after having reached the conclusion that "clarification" would insult the intelligence of the unsatisfied players, I wouldn't pop my head out again to ask for "clarification"!

I think that, mostly, they would try to satisfy the players that CAN be EASILY satisfied first. Isn't that logical?

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 06 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[95EG8]

Shadowtirs wrote...

This is my Mass Effect story... so here it goes..

I only picked up the Mass Effect series when the buzz about 3 coming out was at it's height.  Origins had super sales for both 1 and 2.  I picked up 1 first to give it a whirl.

I was a little taken back by how HUGE the universe was, (zomg the Citadel was gigantic back then) but almost IMMEDIATELY fell in love with the universe.  The story was compelling, the mechanics were great, I loved the melding of 3rd person shooter and rpg.  The characters, the characters were amazing.  It brought me back images of KOTOR and Final Fantasy II (or IV depending on who you ask).  Yeah my main character was awesome, but look at who he was palling around with.  THAT kept me in the game.  And again, the story just drags you in and holds on to you until you finish the game.  It was fantastic.  I didn't even hesistate in buying 2, and importing my character over (awesome mechanic).

ME2's mechanics overhaul was... ok, I missed the RPG elements, but alright games change so whatever.  But what the game lacked in RPG elements was more than made up with more character development and story.  ZOMG were the characters so strong in 2.  I mean when you think about it, 90% of ME2 is collecting your team, learning about them, seeing how they change due to Shepard's influence, and their growth.  This was an amazing character driven story.  Not to mention chill- inspiring moments in the game with new or old friends, (rescuing Garrus, Wrex's [if you saved him] greeting of 'Shepard, my friend!' still gives me chills, Legion's introduction and his title for you 'Shepard-Commander', turning Miranda from an ice queen to your boo) made this game AMAZING.  Again, it's not as RPG-y as 1 but it brought a whole other element into it.  The final mission and it's multiple parts were fantastic, emotionally gripping, cinematic, just drags you into the game where you are THERE.  And of course depending on your prep, you had a game with MULTIPLE ends.  (Real multiple endings)

So now we get to 3, and it starts off strong.  Alright, I didn't play Arrival, but I get the idea why Shepard is grounded.  How the Alliance would ground a Spectre anyway, whatever, I'll let that slide because the intro into 3 is just BAM, Earth under attack, and you're sucked in again.  And again, mechanics have changed, they actually went back a TINY bit to some rpg elements, but whatever, the story is compelling.  You see the foreboding, you see your Shepard for the first time really be stressed.  Now the real meat of 3 is revealed, Tuchunka and Rannoch.  HOLY WTF!  Have you ever had more emotional/gripping moments in a video game?  I haven't.  Unless you have a cold stone heart.  I have never cried at a video game, but when I nailed the paragon choice on Rannoch and I got through that whole thing, tears streamming down my face.  I'd be hard pressed to think of another scene from another game that hit me like that did.

So 3 builds you up and builds you up and they did SO MUCH RIGHT... and then.... Space God Child.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT DID YOU DO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
SO CLOSE TO A PERFECT GAME, PROBABLY THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME, ONLY TO PUNT IT RIGHT IN THE LAST 15 MINS OF A GAME THAT IS 25 hrs + LONG WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU BIOWARE/EA!?!?!


You've all already highlight the nitpicky stuff, so I won't revisit that.  This is just another tale of a fan who was lured in to the Mass Effect Universe, only to be so rudely shown the door.  Please Bioware, I will not flame you, I will not be nasty, but please please please DO NOT let 15 mins ruin a WHOLE SERIES.  There has to be another way!!!  Ok, end the Shepard tale, you want to move on to different content, maybe an MMO, I get it, and I understand, but to do Shepard in like this!?

And no it's NOT OK to charge for a DLC to fix this.  Yeah this is your "artwork", but we are also consumers, and there is an agreement that you sell us goods with expectations, and we give you money in return to satisfy those expectations.  (A, B, C, yada yada you've heard this a million times already).  Please... come this friday at PAX, just please do us right.  It is not too late.  Don't just do it for us ME fans, do it for yourselves too.  Do it for the justice you need to give the universe that you created, one of the most compelling and addicting Sci Fi universes ever created.  


For the TL:DR version; 99% of your trilogy is amazing and one of the greatest of all time.  Please fix it so it's 100%.  Thank you.

I could not have not said it better myself! Although I picked the game up when the ME2 came out. After watching my friend play it I was hooked. Then I went out and bought ME1. It has been the best game series I have ever played. Right up until the last 20 minutes or so. I would have loved to see more choices in the end. Like to argue the so-called Star Child's reasoning. It ruined the whole thing for me. I spent around 70 hours in ME2 and 3 looking for every little thing. Then to get to the end and find out everything I have done, including relationships, all go to waste. I am not necessarily looking for a happy ending, but something that went with my story line. Not an ending that contradicted the whole game. The ending almost seemed rushed, or seemed like there was no heart put into it. We all just want to see something done about the ending, Thanks

[Chrislo1990]

What Bioware refuses to understand is that no amount of clarification could close the gigantic plot holes and inconsistencies the current endings bring without making them sound even more implausible. They just don't work! They cannot be salvaged as they already compromise the integrity of the Mass Effect franchise. Once the story loses credibility, then it's over. You have to do some rewriting. In this case, retconning the ending it by implementing the indoictrination therory would have given the writers a second chance at coming up with a more believeable ending. Instead Bioware asks for our feedback only to completely ignore us.Why waste your time and ours in asking for our opinions then? Why pretend to care about us when it is obvious that they only thing you care about is your massive ego and making tons and tons of money no matter the cost?

Modifié par Chrislo1990, 06 avril 2012 - 03:34 .

[Sephistrife21]

People that make any decisions regarding the Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut (and that work at Bioware or Electronic Arts) are clearly not reading this thread. If Bioware took 20 seconds to clone this thread and add a poll to it, they would see that the vast majority of players are not looking for "clarification and closure." That is not out biggest upset about this game.

Just so I can give them the benefit of the doubt, I'll wait to pass judgement on the game as a whole until after I see the free extension, but I don't think my current mindset is likely to change. If I'm not satisfied with this ending, I'm very sadly discounting Bioware as a studio that I look forward to enjoying the products of. And you can sure as hell count on my not purchasing any stupid ME3 DLC, either.

This will be the last time I knowingly provide money to Electronic Arts.

Modifié par Sephistrife21, 06 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[aceofqueens]

I can't wait for the extended but dlc or whatever to come out. It sucks that for whatever reason bioware didn't just include this full ending right off the bat. However, I'm not going to let this minor thing spoil the series. I'm sure bioware had a good reason. People need to get over it.

[Iconoclaste]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

What Bioware refuses to understand is that no amount of clarification could close the gigantic plot holes and inconsistencies the current endings bring without making them sound even more implausible.

It will do for those that will be satisfied with just that, undoubtedly. And it won't for many others, of course. But the point is that it WILL filter out one of the issues for many. Added a little waiting time, their experience has showed them not to give in too fast, and things will cool down. If the fanbase goes out flaming everything for a few days, even each other, then fall completely silent or demoralized after a few weeks, who will be to blame? Bioware is not directing anyone against each other here. But this outrage will end, trust me. And people forget, surely not everyone but just enough to go through the storm.

Some things should still be remembered, and I will surely not trust the gaming reviews from some sites and journalists anymore. I can sift through forums and see players who were deceived, but still accept fatality without resorting to insults and threats. This community is more than just "players", it is the meeting of many imaginative, outright brilliant people freely sharing their toughts just for the fun of it. I can appreciate this, and still hate the way the endings have been rendered.

[Chakuura]

MaltMilchek wrote...

I feel the DLC will help some, but ultimately what the community needs is a rationale or a "super" codex. Something like a directors commentary to help with some of the incessant arguing about "incorrect lore" or narrative mistakes which this forum is full of. See here: http://social.biowar.../index/11067584

All I see on here is talk of "plot holes" and inconsistencies and again, incorrect lore. It's quite presumptuous that the fans now believe they know more about the story than the damn creators of the game! A detailed rationale would go a long way to help rectify these kinds of statements and arguments.

In at least one instance they do. There was that whole issue of the dreadnought being in atmosphere and Bioware even admitted that was a mistake and that fans were right.

[retic]

MaltMilchek wrote...

I feel the DLC will help some, but ultimately what the community needs is a rationale or a "super" codex. Something like a directors commentary to help with some of the incessant arguing about "incorrect lore" or narrative mistakes which this forum is full of. See here: http://social.biowar.../index/11067584

All I see on here is talk of "plot holes" and inconsistencies and again, incorrect lore. It's quite presumptuous that the fans now believe they know more about the story than the damn creators of the game! A detailed rationale would go a long way to help rectify these kinds of statements and arguments.

My sentiments too. I bet said whiners will complain AGAIN after seeing the "new" endings. 

@o ventus

Yes yes. Remind me again why typing on a desktop/laptop > typing on an ipad. And the leaked ening that was shared to me involved dark energy (discussed in tali's mission in me2). 

[jeweledleah]

problem with letting people cool down is that you are letting them lose interest. lost interest, learning not to care anymore, apathy is worse, far worse then anger.

becasue anger means, people still care, they are still hoping. once they stop caring, they are highly unlikely to keep spending money.

P.S.  writers, creators make mistakes with their own lore.  ALL.  THE.  TIME.

that's why there are editors.  and proof readers.  and that's why books get corrected, rewritten and reissued.  and no, I'm not just talking about Deception, far from it.

P.P.S.  endings in a leaks involved less fleshed out versions of the endings we got on release.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[jules_vern18]

retic wrote...

MaltMilchek wrote...

I feel the DLC will help some, but ultimately what the community needs is a rationale or a "super" codex. Something like a directors commentary to help with some of the incessant arguing about "incorrect lore" or narrative mistakes which this forum is full of. See here: http://social.biowar.../index/11067584

All I see on here is talk of "plot holes" and inconsistencies and again, incorrect lore. It's quite presumptuous that the fans now believe they know more about the story than the damn creators of the game! A detailed rationale would go a long way to help rectify these kinds of statements and arguments.

My sentiments too. I bet said whiners will complain AGAIN after seeing the "new" endings. 

@o ventus

Yes yes. Remind me again why typing on a desktop/laptop > typing on an ipad. And the leaked ening that was shared to me involved dark energy (discussed in tali's mission in me2). 

Sorry you're so upset that others are upset. 

[jules_vern18]

"On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening."

Given today's announcement, no - you clearly are not.

[Lochwood]

Bottom line gang -- we have to assess what they give us and then decide how to vote with out wallets.

Dragon Age 3 is not too far off. Will YOU remember Mass Effect when you decide whether to preorder or wait to buy used?

I will remember. I will base my decision off of what they give us this summer. If it's crap -- I will vote my displeasure with my wallet.

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!

[Cinnamintz]

MaltMilchek wrote...

Chakuura wrote...

In at least one instance they do. There was that whole issue of the dreadnought being in atmosphere and Bioware even admitted that was a mistake and that fans were right.

That has the equivalent weight of a boom mic being visible in a shot. What I'm talking about is people who argue that the ending is "inconsistent" or "incorrect" because of the story in the previous games. These people are assuming they know more about the previous games than not only other fans, but the writers themselves! Incredibly presumptous.

A detailed rationale from BioWare would help stop these kinds of arguments and at least give a detailed explanation of certain story elements that people always argue about and draw their own conclusions to.

I'd love to see a detailed rationale of SPACE MAGIC.

[Iconoclaste]

If so much efforts were made into implementing MP into the game, and seeing how MP players seem like foreign to the general outrage since they "enjoy" the MP segment to a sufficient amount, then maybe that points towards future developments from Bioware. But we know nothing of their future plans, which makes it difficult to assess the proportion of players that just don't care about the endings, since they are currently enjoying an "arcade" style of gaming (MP) more than RPG.

[jeweledleah]

exploding relays --> arrival precedent.
biological impossibility of synthesis... that contradicts the very information we get in ME3, not just in ME2. (shepard is not mixed DNA, Shepard is still Shepard, organicaly, just with a lot of tech prostethics and stuff, equivalent to defibrilators)
red ending killing Shepard even though Shepard's brain functions are fully organic... does that mean it destroys all synthetic technology, not just AI?

Catalyst controlling the citadel and the reapers all this time - what happened to the keeper signal, the whole reprogramming deal, why didn't it let sovereign know about the conduit, why did it need the sovereign in a first place?

just to name a few of the contradictions.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 06 avril 2012 - 04:04 .