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[Kain82]

Chocho_GURU wrote...

Guys, don't bother. You all know that we are only a few thousand people when the game has sold over millions. Obvious they won't listen.

What is worse, is that the tone of the ending will not change, which means everything fans were about to imagine (indoctrination theory, someone?) goes down the flush. No more creativity, not a single hope for getting the franchise back on track, nothing. Just cutscenes and epiloges, and that crap takes ages...

Of course, I understand that they won't turn on their own people. Hudson and the gang are at the company since ages and did a good job for years. Only we can hope for is, even if they don't listen, they still learn: next time they might have more creative guys in the frontline to see the inconsistencies within lores and not only a few men, making bad desicions like "lots of speculaton"... Am I right, Mr Walters?

actually if the indoc theory turns out to be true the game isn't concluded and continues from when shepard takes a breath in the end...

[Iconoclaste]

Since the forum rules impose restraints in the expression of directed comments towards specific individuals, I assume all the messages will be perceived with a bias that should not be. The series excelled in its genre for the most part, making a lasting impression of success upon its authors and developers. Knowing that someone did a great job for 95% of the games may make it difficult to show that the remaining 5% is of such importance that it downgrades the biggest part.

We could easily point many flaws in the series to lower that 95% to something less glorifying, if it could serve the purpose of having some people, somewhere, to get their heads a bit more human sized, and a little more considerate for the other great intellects trying to communicate legitimate concerns. There are components of these games that do not even relate to the endings or plot holes, that could be described as "middle ground". All the ranting about the "bad endings" compared to the rest of the whole series mostly point towards an "excellent series" with just a small disappointing bit at the end.

For any future customer, that pretty much looks like a good thing, with an ending to be left to personal appreciation. In other words, the outcry about the endings is making plenty of "excellent" promotion for the games, to the point of giving the impression that the players are so "sucked in" that they get hysterical about it in the end.

[iDeevil]

But, they have listened and in the end no matter what they do people are going to be unhappy. That was always going to happen, it was impossible to wrap up the series and make folks happy.

Now, the latest announcement is their attempt to deal with the folks who still have questions on how the ending fit/what happened to the crew, the folks who hated it and the folks (and there are a fair number of these guys too) to liked - loved the ending. Not everyone hated the ending and it's really unfair to complain that bioware aren't listening because they aren't changing it to match one groups wants.

I'm not prepared to pretend there is an overwhelming majority in any of the 'camps', true numbers are hard to come by, but I think this may be the best way too appease a larger group...

I'm going to wait and hold my judgement on what the dlc will add, or answer to the endings until I see them. Complaining they aren't enough is a little premature - but then again we all expected something different from this series.

[J.Random]

Yeah, last announcement clearly shows us that you, Bioware/EA, are listening. Try to read next time.

[iDeevil]

J.Random wrote...

Yeah, last announcement clearly shows us that you, Bioware/EA, are listening. Try to read next time.

And to who should they pay more attention too?  Truth is, as much as some folks don't believe it, not everyone hated the ending.  There is a whole lot of positive feedback out there for it, just like the negative. Which group deserves to haves to have the game 'their way' the most?  The proposed DLC content may bridge the gap between hem adequently.  It all depends on what we get, and we won't know for a few months yet.

Personally I think the passion of the community, both positive and negative, show that maybe this shouldn't be the end of Shepards story and we should get a Mass Effect 4.  Not to say that it has to be centred around Shepard, but the first part of the game could wrap it up and we could go play as someone else... But I admit this idea is because I just am unwilling to let go of my Shepard yet, not necessarily because I can't.

[OneTrueGeth]

Archonsg wrote...

GIEV DIZ PEEPHOLE AEYR wrote...

:-/ <------------ my reaction to the "new cinema" we will be getting. at least its free. if it sucks? well...........then im done. already cancelled old republic sub.

Yeah. I am surprised at myself too, that ME3's ending is actually affecting the other games I play, namely SWTOR, Kingdoms of Amalur and Skyrim at this point.

Haven't been able to log into swtor, just did not feel like it, much to my wife's displeasure, since we duo (sith sorc + jug) and seldom take on pick-ups.

Kindoms, have no mood to log in at all now too.

I'll wait for The Witcher 2's dlc-patch (10+ glorious gigs!) before I return to that world.

As for other Bioware games, as you can see from my BSN profile, I have both collector's editions and all DLCs for the Dragon Age series, but will probably not buy the 3rd installment. I will urge any who would listen, not to buy as well, since Bioware has shown just how far they have fallen, that they truly are disconnected from their core fans, fans who by word of mouth made them the success they are...were.

To throw away their hallmark of storytelling, choice and morality of said choices, epic victory as well as heroic sacrificial victories, and harp on "artistic integrity" for an ending that lacked those hallmark values, and ending that is so out of sync to the series, even the game it is in itself is just pride.

I can't help but think of a game called "Planescape : Torment", maybe you guys heard of it, yes?

That was how you did "bitter sweet" endings.

Mass Effect 3's ending sadly is so bad, you can't even pass it off as a joke. But you have made your decision. Now I'll need to exercise mine, and am truly saddened to lose you as a prefered company whose products I had always purchased in the past.


 
I should go.

Can't do anything but agree with you. I feel much the same way, especially about Planescape : Torment. Might try out Witcher.

Modifié par OneTrueGeth, 06 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Iconoclaste]

If all the players unsatisfied with the endings had put the same energy to scrutinize all of the series they put in scrutinizing the endings, they would easily have found many weaknesses. Sparse lacks of creativity, clichés, tedious and repetitive cutscenes inflating their 100's hours of play, glitches and bugs, dialogue let downs after a few runs, cosmetic roleplaying channeling the story on important branches, lack of freedom to the benefit of cutscenes after many combat sequences, poor combat mechanics, superficial control of inventory, unintelligent AI that renders combat predictive, cheesy romance for some characters, in essence many aspects that leave the players believing that, in the end, they might as well be offered a "Blue babies and happy bunnies" ending. In fact, since every aspects of the games may be subject to personal opinions, pros and cons, the endings could have been anything, really. But instead, players are offered the "artistic integrity" wall, against which no reason or any amount of rage can do anything.

If the whole series is constantly depicted as "perfect hit minus 5%", how can anyone expect Bioware or any future customer to see it otherwise? Isn't that just repeating a self-serving "meme" to the point it will generate the complete opposite of what is desired?

Almost everyone here has read "better books", seen "better movies", and played games with "better (you name it)", maybe the strategy used up to now needs to be modified, since it does not get the expected results. Repeating an unsuccessful strategy 500 times over does not work? Why trying a 501th time, and expect it to succeed?

[CHARK19]

A little late to the party. Sorry!
I loved the game! Everything was awesome!

The ending is sad and scary, because you don't know what will happen next! All I know is that in my ending, I destroyed the Reapers, my crew is alive(Somewhere), and somehow I'm alive! All that to me is a WIN! Sure, the Mass Relays exploded and I had to take the lives of EDI and the Geth. I'm unhappy about that stuff. I don't know what else to say. I'd like to continue Shepards story, but not without Tali, Ashley, Joker, or Garrus! I want to live to fight another day, and from what I experienced that COULD happen! VANGUARD!
EDIT: And if I do have to buy dlc to play part 2 of ME3, I totally would.

Modifié par CHARK19, 06 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[MissLiya]

I slept on it and I`m still mad as hell!

[J.Random]

iDeevil wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Yeah, last announcement clearly shows us that you, Bioware/EA, are listening. Try to read next time.

And to who should they pay more attention too?  Truth is, as much as some folks don't believe it, not everyone hated the ending.  There is a whole lot of positive feedback out there for it, just like the negative. Which group deserves to haves to have the game 'their way' the most?  The proposed DLC content may bridge the gap between hem adequently.  It all depends on what we get, and we won't know for a few months yet.

Personally I think the passion of the community, both positive and negative, show that maybe this shouldn't be the end of Shepards story and we should get a Mass Effect 4.  Not to say that it has to be centred around Shepard, but the first part of the game could wrap it up and we could go play as someone else... But I admit this idea is because I just am unwilling to let go of my Shepard yet, not necessarily because I can't.

Let's compare pro-enders' and contra-enders' opinions?

Pro-enders: "We like the ending as it is, everyone who don't like it are entitled whiny kids who don't understand art and they should shut the **** up."

Contra-enders: "We don't like the ending and ask to remove nonsensical reaperchild from it completely and give us ending that makes sense and depends on our choices throughout the whole story. And make war assets show up in game instead of being just a number and a progressbar. And make MP truly optional. That's all we want. However, we understand that some people like current ending, so make this changes optional too so they could decide themselves to either stick with current ending or see the story how we like it."

It's kinda obvious to me which opinion is more friendly.

[Primalrose]

Lochwood wrote...

Bottom line gang -- we have to assess what they give us and then decide how to vote with out wallets.

Dragon Age 3 is not too far off. Will YOU remember Mass Effect when you decide whether to preorder or wait to buy used?

I will remember. I will base my decision off of what they give us this summer. If it's crap -- I will vote my displeasure with my wallet.

VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!

The only truly effective action one can take, really.  Whether I buy it DA3 or any additional ME3 content hangs on this ending DLC.

[garytwine]

Norrin_Radd wrote...

"The heat death of the universe is a suggested ultimate fate of the universe, in which the universe has diminished to a state of no thermodynamic free energy and therefore can no longer sustain motion or life. Heat death does not imply any particular absolute temperature; it only requires that temperature differences or other process may no longer be exploited to perform work. In the language of physics, this is when the universe reaches the maximum entropy."

"The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system. If the universe lasts for a sufficient time, it will asymptotically approach a state where all energy is evenly distributed. In other words, in nature there is a tendency to the dissipation (energy loss) of mechanical energy (motion); hence, by extrapolation, there exists the view that the mechanical movement of the universe will run down, as work is converted to heat, in time due to the second law."


This is a very interesting point of view and well put, however, I've come across this theory before and counter arguments.

The universe, at some point not so far from now in the scheme of things the universe won't be able to support life. Yes, it will likely be hundreds if billions of years from now but it will happen. However, that won't be the end of the universe, just the end of a universe where life can grow and exist.

Why you ask? Well, it's down to the expanding universe theory. As the universe keeps moving infinitely outward the galaxies, solar systems and planets get further and further away from each other. Then helps to cool the universe to some degree.

Then the stars. One by one they will use up their hydrogen fuel source. This will turn some finally into one of three things: a black dwarf, a neutron star or a black hole.

Eventually the universe Will be a dead, dark and lifeless place filled with dead stars and black holes. Of course this is many trillions of years in the future and life will have been a blink of the eye in comparison.

There is nothing we, or the Reapers could ever do about this. The Reapers are not all powerful and the grand plan is meaningless. The universe is so much bigger than even them. They are fleas on the back of a whale.

So, I really don't see what your above theory means in context to mass effect and the Reapers. Whatvever they do can have no real impact on the state and future of the universe.

[DeepSchist]

In response to this thread's title and the news about the Extended Cut DLC:

No, you are not.

[Avatar231278]

From the masseffect home page:
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
 ■No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.


I still want to know, so could please someone answer me that:

HOW DID MY CHOICES FROM ME1 AND ME2 DIRECTLY AFFECTED THE ENDINGS AND THE OUTCOME?

There wasn't ANYTHING important from neither Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 present in any of the final scenes.

[MissLiya]

I guess the IDEA if this artistic ending is "not everything depends on human will, no matter how hard you try, no matter what you do and how strong you are, sometimes you cant get it all and fix everything."
But excuse me...
I know this already! Life sucks! I`m playing videogames to get away from it!

Modifié par MissLiya, 06 avril 2012 - 06:46 .

[iDeevil]

J.Random wrote...

iDeevil wrote...

J.Random wrote...

Yeah, last announcement clearly shows us that you, Bioware/EA, are listening. Try to read next time.

And to who should they pay more attention too?  Truth is, as much as some folks don't believe it, not everyone hated the ending.  There is a whole lot of positive feedback out there for it, just like the negative. Which group deserves to haves to have the game 'their way' the most?  The proposed DLC content may bridge the gap between hem adequently.  It all depends on what we get, and we won't know for a few months yet.

Personally I think the passion of the community, both positive and negative, show that maybe this shouldn't be the end of Shepards story and we should get a Mass Effect 4.  Not to say that it has to be centred around Shepard, but the first part of the game could wrap it up and we could go play as someone else... But I admit this idea is because I just am unwilling to let go of my Shepard yet, not necessarily because I can't.

Let's compare pro-enders' and contra-enders' opinions?

Pro-enders: "We like the ending as it is, everyone who don't like it are entitled whiny kids who don't understand art and they should shut the **** up."

Contra-enders: "We don't like the ending and ask to remove nonsensical reaperchild from it completely and give us ending that makes sense and depends on our choices throughout the whole story. And make war assets show up in game instead of being just a number and a progressbar. And make MP truly optional. That's all we want. However, we understand that some people like current ending, so make this changes optional too so they could decide themselves to either stick with current ending or see the story how we like it."

It's kinda obvious to me which opinion is more friendly.

Erm, I am not sure those who speak against the ending are quite that polite.  I've actually been abused in other places for not being annoyed enough at the ending because I've simply bought into the hype.  People on BOTH sides of the discussion have been, and are, rude, crass and entitled.

And that's my point, and that's where you didn't answer the question - who are they meant to listen too?  There are so many contrary opinions out there and they are trying to keep EVERYONE happy (which we know is impossible) so we are getting the extended endings - whatever they turn out to be.

I really think, at this point, the only way to correct some of the problems with the ending is with another game to the series.  I know that ME3 was meant to be the last, but if the indoctronation theory were to be true (and damn, it seems like it), another game would be needed to work it all out.  Not a few additional endings that may, or may not work.

I also think, artistically, there is something wholely interesting that tickles me about the fact that it doesn't matter where you go and what you do along the way you're going to end up at the same point anyway.  As I said, this is a more artistic, writerly thing.  Not saying it really should work, en mass, in the game...

[JonasPeti]

Avatar231278 wrote...

HOW DID MY CHOICES FROM ME1 AND ME2 DIRECTLY AFFECTED THE ENDINGS AND THE OUTCOME?

There wasn't ANYTHING important from neither Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 present in any of the final scenes.

Yep. But maybe some new video scenes in the DLC can answer what happening with your friends, lovemate, the other species, the army and the reapers, and why blowing up every relays. Fox example if you choose to kill the Geth, or your lovemate in ME2 was Tali, then the new scenes can be different. Am I right? It's could be a much more better ending than now we have. Maybe it's could be an ENDING instead of "artistic nothing" at the end of the game now.

Bioware can do everything, there will be dissatisfied fans out there.
I think Bioware's goal is acceptable at this time. I have to say I'll be happy if I got the answers, and I can still live with the "last decision is choosing from red/green/blue colors" problem. I can imagine that Shepard is not a god, there are situations, where he has no real choices, and does not matter that how many ships or allies are on your side.

[Archonsg]

iDeevil wrote...

But, they have listened and in the end no matter what they do people are going to be unhappy. That was always going to happen, it was impossible to wrap up the series and make folks happy.

Now, the latest announcement is their attempt to deal with the folks who still have questions on how the ending fit/what happened to the crew, the folks who hated it and the folks (and there are a fair number of these guys too) to liked - loved the ending. Not everyone hated the ending and it's really unfair to complain that bioware aren't listening because they aren't changing it to match one groups wants.

I'm not prepared to pretend there is an overwhelming majority in any of the 'camps', true numbers are hard to come by, but I think this may be the best way too appease a larger group...

I'm going to wait and hold my judgement on what the dlc will add, or answer to the endings until I see them. Complaining they aren't enough is a little premature - but then again we all expected something different from this series.

They might not be able to please everyone, but I am very sure that most will be satisfied if not elated, had they simply added more endings very much like what we had in ME2.

Simply ADD in what I call the "Triumphant Victory" where as long as certain conditions are met, Shepard wins, lives to get his/her girl or guy, keeps his squad alive, retires with love interest, start a family.

Have the middle ground ending "Victory at a cost" where Shepard wins, and depending on conditions, some or all of Shepard's squad dies. Death also a possibility for Shepard but the Galaxy is saved and their sacrifice become tales of legend.


 
The "Phyric victory," Shepard and Squad dies, the Reapers defeated but the galaxy fracked to hell. (this is logically what we have with the relays destroyed, planets reeling from Reaper invasion and most if not all space worthy ships destroyed or disabled by Relay shockwave as depicted by the downing of the Normandy)

And the "you really worked to have stuff FUBAR didn't you?" ending, where the Reapers win. Everyone dies. Maybe show, oh I don't know, gerbils to evolve and take their first steps to reach their little paw hands towards the stars and the cycle starts anew.


 
Seriously, this way those who think they liked the current ending can just ignore the others and wallow in their perceived superiority in all things "artistic" while others like myself, would have a CHOICE of making CHOICES that matters in the end.

Win win situation if you asked me, what has Bioware to loose at this point if they had done this instead of trying to use "artistic integrity" as a shield? Trying to "clarify" an ending so out of place, I cannot see how they are going to do so without the use of more "space magic" and asking your educated sci-fi fans to not only suspend disbelieve, but turn off all rationale to accept the ending that should have never been.

But hey, it is your IP, and your future sales figures.

Modifié par Archonsg, 06 avril 2012 - 07:03 .

[pipemaster9000]

There is nothing Artistic about the ending if you have to clarify it later. There wasn't anything artistic before, there isn't now. "Listen" to the critics all you want, hide behind "artistic vision" excuses all you want. The ending was terrible in comparison to the games predecessors and everything leading up to it. The last game I played where I was forced with an A or B ending was Fable. At the time, I enjoyed Fable with it's A or B ending. Now, with this series I expect what we got throughout 1, 2, and 3. Things are suppose to improve over time and continue to get better and faster. I expected an ending that would top all 3 games, as such a trilogy deserves. I got an ending that is an utter contradiction to both characters of Shepard (Renegade or Paragon) and an ending that denounces everything done in ME1, ME2 and up to getting waxed by Harbinger in 3. One of the staples of this game is completely thrown away in the ending. How any self aware gamer would like these endings is beyond me.

[KUNG PLOW]

Lol we fans are all about the Bioware team's artistic vision. That's why we bought the games in the first place. We were just hoping for a few endings that demonstrate that artistic vision instead of one ending that demonstrates a few colour swatches.

I wonder if the whole Bioware team really is behind this "artistic vision." With an ending this objectively terrible I feel like at least a couple people in a company aparently full of talented game designers and writers would have put their hands up and asked their coworkers "has anyone else noticed that the ending is absolute ****?" A few Bioware employees at least must be following the response to the game and saying "told you so.."

In all seriousness if anyone from Bioware is reading this, the reason we're upset isn't because its not all puppy dogs and rainbows at the end. Its because what we were expecting was multiple endings (because you said there would be) that actually tied into the plot of the last three games naturally (because that's the standard you set for yourself). What we got was one deus ex machina ending (Suddenly introducing Space God? How could you? Even Star Wars didn't do that and they could get away with it because the Force was part of the narrative from the very beggining) with a three different colour schemes.

"We control the reapers?" The Shepard I was playing's only response to that would have been to shoot it, blast it biotically or if all else fails, attempt to destroy it by bleeding on its circuitry. Having my shepard forced to have a civil conversation with that little bastard was awful... but the problem was that in a game that was stop the reapers or die trying i found myself talking to space god and having him give me three options that had nothing to do with the plot.

So no Bioware having the ending explained more doesnt cut it. Enjoy your bouycott. You broke my heart you bastards. If any of the actual writing talent winds up ditching EA and starting up a new independent video game company I'd like to hear about it.

Never buying EA again and therefore... sigh never bioware either.

oh just putting this out there I heard EA got voted the worst Company in America... Thats ridiculous. What about like... BP? or AIG? or Goldman Sachs?
Still tho EA is awful. Bouycotting.
Rant Out.

[Avatar231278]

JonasPeti wrote...

I can imagine that Shepard is not a god, there are situations, where he has no real choices, and does not matter that how many ships or allies are on your side.

Blasphemy!!!!

It is just that leaving someone with choices A, B or C when saying that there are virtually unlimited endings, does no satisfy a customer. And if he then complains strongly and you get now just an AAA, BBB and CCC you still don't have the things you got promised. No matter how long the endings are, they are not getting any more different. You still can choose between crap with green death, crap with blue death, and a little less crap with red most likely death. Lenghtening the crap is not the thing we wanted.

Modifié par Avatar231278, 06 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[luci90]

MissLiya wrote...

I slept on it and I`m still mad as hell!

Me too.

[iDeevil]

Archonsg wrote...

iDeevil wrote...

But, they have listened and in the end no matter what they do people are going to be unhappy. That was always going to happen, it was impossible to wrap up the series and make folks happy.

Now, the latest announcement is their attempt to deal with the folks who still have questions on how the ending fit/what happened to the crew, the folks who hated it and the folks (and there are a fair number of these guys too) to liked - loved the ending. Not everyone hated the ending and it's really unfair to complain that bioware aren't listening because they aren't changing it to match one groups wants.

I'm not prepared to pretend there is an overwhelming majority in any of the 'camps', true numbers are hard to come by, but I think this may be the best way too appease a larger group...

I'm going to wait and hold my judgement on what the dlc will add, or answer to the endings until I see them. Complaining they aren't enough is a little premature - but then again we all expected something different from this series.

They might not be able to please everyone, but I am very sure that most will be satisfied if not elated, had they simply added more endings very much like what we had in ME2.

Simply ADD in what I call the "Triumphant Victory" where as long as certain conditions are met, Shepard wins, lives to get his/her girl or guy, keeps his squad alive, retires with love interest, start a family.

Have the middle ground ending "Victory at a cost" where Shepard wins, and depending on conditions, some or all of Shepard's squad dies. Death also a possibility for Shepard but the Galaxy is saved and their sacrifice become tales of legend.


 
The "Phyric victory," Shepard and Squad dies, the Reapers defeated but the galaxy fracked to hell. (this is logically what we have with the relays destroyed, planets reeling from Reaper invasion and most if not all space worthy ships destroyed or disabled by Relay shockwave as depicted by the downing of the Normandy)

And the "you really worked to have stuff FUBAR didn't you?" ending, where the Reapers win. Everyone dies. Maybe show, oh I don't know, gerbils to evolve and take their first steps to reach their little paw hands towards the stars and the cycle starts anew.


 
Seriously, this way those who think they liked the current ending can just ignore the others and wallow in their perceived superiority in all things "artistic" while others like myself, would have a CHOICE of making CHOICES that matters in the end.

Win win situation if you asked me, what has Bioware to loose at this point if they had done this instead of trying to use "artistic integrity" as a shield? Trying to "clarify" an ending so out of place, I cannot see how they are going to do so without the use of more "space magic" and asking your educated sci-fi fans to not only suspend disbelieve, but turn off all rationale to accept the ending that should have never been.

But hey, it is your IP, and your future sales figures.

I do agree with you .

If, for example, BioWare said that the ending will be fixed with an additional game ME4 (or ME: Shepards Landing - okay I'm amusing myself, ignore that), how many of us would buy it?

Because, while I don't think they intended to continue Shepards story past ME3, I am wondering if this hyoe hasn't made them reconsider and the extended ending it going to be a platform for a continuation.  The game could focus on Shepard ending, while rebuilding the universe...

Just as possibility.

[JonasPeti]

Avatar231278 wrote...

JonasPeti wrote...

I can imagine that Shepard is not a god, there are situations, where he has no real choices, and does not matter that how many ships or allies are on your side.

Blasphemy!!!!

It is just that leaving someone with choices A, B or C when saying that there are virtually unlimited endings, does no satisfy a customer.

We are thinking in differrent ways. I can understand your problem, but I don't care what they promised (I didn't follow that in the past too). I bought ME1, ME2 and ME3 because i love the artistic and game style which they created. I'm disappointed in the ending, but not because they said something different about that before - just because it is not and ending and not in connection with other happenings and decisions in the game. The new DLC has a chance to fix it (least partially).
If I have to buy the game now, i'll do that again even if I know there are still problems with the ending.
But you are right, ME franchise can not be a perfect game because of problems you've written.

[snugglecakes]

no they are NOT listening... people said they wanted a "NEW" ending...the keyword here is "NEW" making the same terrible ending cutscene a little longer is far from what people demanded... This ending so So terrible it's completely unfixable... the only fix is to completely scrap this ending completely as if it never happened and come up with something completely different thats not even remotely close to the ending we got.. preferably 1 with an actual endgame boss fight.. having 3 minibosses at once is not a real endgame boss fight... that's lazy.. but they wont do this so the ending will still be bad.. sorry