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[sorrowandsadness]

My favourite moment - 99% of the game. Ending destroyed all the fun I had with this series.

[Xerkysz]

TheRealMithril wrote...

Indoctrination doesn't happen due to choices of the player, it happens because Reapers like Harbinger wants to. Small suggestions here, and there and in time you will succumb no matter what. That actually works in real life as well. It's called brainwashing. I don't care who you are, given enough time you will fall. Politicians use it on a daily basis. And the beauty of it all is that you won't even notice a difference.

And the funny thing RealMith, is that these people don't know it happened to them, and that Bioware are the God of RPGs.

[KingPajamas]

My favorite moment? Renegade Interrupt: "THAT WAS FOR THANE!"

[lajeokki]

Almost through my third Shepard and still there are countless moments giving me chills and bringing tears to my eyes. Thinking more about it, it's impossible to pick a few awesome moments because the game was filled with them. All those moments still make me keep my hopes high for what is to come.

[AndrewHag]

This game was one of the best I had ever played. Mordin's death made me even shed a tear but the ending was so awful its hard to believe it was made by the same people.

[JulienJaden]

stcalvin13 wrote...

thebatmanreborn wrote...

I noticed they said "talk" and "discuss" the ending. No where does it say the ending will be changed or dlc will be added that ties up the ending. They may explain some of the ending, but don't expect it to be changed.

Then that's like calling your ex-girlfriend, boyfriend or spouse and saying "I know you're sad I broke your heart.  Would you like me to explain why I did it?"

Actually, it's more like having your nice and composed girlfriend walking up to you after having
great sex and a 5-year-long sound relationship and saying, "**** you! I'm breaking up with you!", kicking you in the balls and leaving.

And then, a week later, she calls and says: "I know you're feeling bad about it. We're not getting back together. But I know you were half asleep at the time, so let me tell you why I got so angry." And at no point, she says it's your fault or that it was justified.

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I admit, my analogy is lacking, but not by much. It doesn't make any sense, it doesn't fit and, quite frankly, if Bioware doesn't do anything about it, I'm pretty much done with Mass Effect and Bioware, because why should I expect them to release any game with a proper ending if they would treat one of their greatest series like that?

[Talon Darkfire]

There really are so many things done right with the game - almost every aspect of the game was such an incredible experience.

Favorite Moments:
1. The Mars Mission - there's just something to being on the base on Mars that would make any lover of outer space and our solar system happy. Loved the look of the mission.

2. Tuchanka - ending the genophage, the camaraderie with Wrex, Mordin's sacrifice singing his patter song, the music during it, and lastly the ending cutscene with the music, the characters, the cure falling like snow.

3. Rannoch - ending the war between the Quarians and the Geth, moments between Tali and Legion, Legion's sacrifice. I found Legion to be one of the most fascinating characters of the game, but it was disappointing that you only had Legion for the end events of ME2 and just a little of ME3.

4. Kaiden/FemShep love story - everything from Kaiden's doubt to FemShep's earning back Kaiden's respect, to the little things said here and there, the animation of facial expression and mocap. There was just so much there that made Kaiden and Shepard such a great fit.

5. David Archer - Overlord was almost as good as Lair of the Shadow Broker IMO and one of my favorite moments of the entire series, but to have Shepard walk up and answer David with 30.1 and the following conversation - that was really small in comparison to other moments, but so big for me - and to throw in the "Final Conversation" music during it made my day.

And just as a list of things the game did (not necessarily favorite moments) I thought the game delivered incredibly well on:
1. The Normandy Crew - The Normandy felt so much more organic in that characters were not limited to their cabin, and not to mention the incredible moments this gave us - Garrus and Joker trading jokes, Garrus and James in their who's got the "bigger fish," James and Savik, Tali and Garrus, Tali getting drunk.

2. The Music - the score for this game is some of the best I've heard - Clint Mansell did such an incredible job at capturing the darkness, the urgency, the drama, the sorrow. Listening to the score is so immersive I feel affected by it. I was a bit disappointed the Mass Effect theme didn't quite make it into the game. Seemed to be an integral part.

3. Intense Gameplay - there's something to be said to the "oh crap" factor of getting to see Shepard's point of few as you come flying into a hot LZ, or how the camera pans around to Shepard's view from story points - very action packed.

4.Textures - this game looked sooooooooo much better than the other two - a mite darker and therefore harder to see sometimes (I couldn't hardly see Shepard dancing). But the textures and rework on some of the characters was quite incredible.

There's really so much more to this game that I loved that I could keep writing about. I will go out and say that I am disappointed with the ending, but I believe that comes from all of the incredible moments you all developed, that ending it all would be a monumental task. IMO the spectacle of the ending didn't match the spectacle of the rest of the story. I was kind of hoping for FemShep and Kaiden settling down in Vancouver to help rebuild the galaxy with all of the newly unified species, but that's the romantic in me.

I don't know if I believe in making you all fix the ending - almost doesn't seem right to me. You obviously put a lot of work into this - one of the greatest games ever made, and IMO one of the greatest stories written. I appreciate you starting this thread - I enjoy having the chance to praise you guys for this cultural icon you've created.

[Bradeh]

BioWare trying to indoctrinate us, resist.

[majinbuu1307]

Where is the feedback?

[Bellendaine]

Athro wrote...

Favourite moments?

Kaidan and Male Shep sharing a drink and talking about Shep's worries.

Thresher Maw vs Reaper

That all the crew had lives independent of Sheps activities and didn't just stay in one spot on the ship all the time.

Great Banter.

All the awesome call backs to previous decisions in the other games. It really made me feel like I was playing *my* story and not just a prepackaged plot that everyone was experiencing.

James - I really liked his character. Funny, cool... he was my favourite new character.

The Geth/Quarian conflict was a huge highlight of the story. Very well written.

Kaidan and Shepard's last talk in London before the final push. It was touching and really well written..

Agreed with all, especially with the bolded parts.

[gimzod76]

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[quote]Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

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Raises hand for all current and future shepards.
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Add me too.

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hand raised.

[FFinfinity1]

I would have accepted the ending as a fail ending seeing as how the relays exploded and how with this happening all the fleets are stranded on earth meaning mass death if you ask me. Earth would not have the resources available to sustain them all. It had to be a hallucination from the indoctrination on Shepards part i mean seriously???

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

AartB wrote...

wouldnt be suprised if they used this thread as their main info point and claim. look lots of people liked the ending aswell! lets ignore the millions of topics and posts on the rest of the forum.

or perhaps i'm overreacting

no that’s probably exactly what they are doing. I wouldn't be surprised at some point they'll close the huge 1000+ page threads saying to keep everything to one thread (this one) for "tidiness" so in a few days; when glancing at the forums they won't look as bad and they can claim that everyone is OK or "understands" the endings now.

[jules_vern18]

The fact that the first 99.9% of this game was so grounbreaking and extraordinary - the best game many of us have ever played - is what makes the inexplicably lackluster ending so devastating.  It's like if the Shawshank Redemption or Citizen Kane had suddenly ended with 5 minutes of complete gibberish...bad comparison maybe, but that's why we're so incredulous.

I for one am not asking that the existing endings be replaced, but that

(1) Existing endings be given more exposition, including an epilogue that better explains what happened to the Normandy crew (many existing plotholes regarding their end), the many affected races (with variance depending on our prior decisions), and galactic civilization as a whole.

(2) Players be given an alternative to the existing endings/greater variation.  The well-known video on Youtube showing the near-identical endings side-by-side illustrates this point.  The previous Mass Effect games have shown that we can achieve (approximately) any ending we want given we make the right choices - shouldn't that be the case here?  Although I am not one of the fans calling for a "happy" ending, shouldn't those who have worked towards that through all 3 games be able to achieve it?  Same goes for a variety of other possible outcomes.

Thank you for creating this thread and for listening to our responses.  I hope that these will be taken into consideration and that dlc addressing this issue will be released in the future - I would happily buy it, but would not be motivated to buy any other dlc unless I feel that it would take place within a game framework that provides a satisfactory conclusion.

Thank you,

A fan since 1999

[vertibird1]

We don't want a discussion though we want a different ending

[locowolfie]

it is bs just be honnest instead you (bioware) keeps deflecting the issues ------------is it the definitive end or not-----------------------

[Xerkysz]

majinbuu1307 wrote...

Then they made an unfinished game and Harbinger is still right in front of him. No way. Don't reach for straws, they messed up, didn't think alot of things through, why is normandy fleeing? no way would joker just in the middle of battle head for the relay(that would take a bit of time to get to btw to he fled early.) That, and my team mate who was with me on the run to the beam was magically aboard the normandy at the end. They just plain messed up.  please youtube the video mass effect 3 ending and why we hate it

You still don't get it, this is hilarious. If the game up until the final boss was amazing, then how'd your team mate who was just with you on the beam run, magically teleport to the Normandy after Joker fled? The Indoctrination of Shepard.

Wake up idiots.

[FFinfinity1]

[quote]gimzod76 wrote...

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[quote]Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.[/quote]

Raised... 

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Same. 

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(raises hand)

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Raises hand....

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Raises hand for all current and future shepards.
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*raises hand*

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Add me too.

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My hands are so raised.




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hand raised.



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All eleven of my shepard's hands are raised.

[ssyyllaarr]

Ok Chris, here we go.

1. My first issue is the inconsistency of the endings, the shepard we know never would have put up with the catalysts options, ever..... (unless this indoctrination theory holds merit). He is all about doing the impossible, he would never accept synthetics and organics have to kill each other after having just united the geth and the quarian. The way it presented itself is an issue too, i understand an ending like this, but only if this was one of many endings. We have always had tragic and heroic consequences in this series, why was this ending all tragic?

2. The complete lack of our decisions having an impact on whats supposed to be the climax of such an epic saga. The ending of this is supposed to be the end all be all of consequences (good or bad) for our choices in the previous games. That did not happen, everyone got A,B,C, which is specifically what casey hudson says he DIDNT do in a pre release interview. They felt truly insulting.

3. The plot holes, why was joker running away? Why was my squad with him? Two of the biggest questions being asked! Id also like to add my own. In what way was either one of those endings a win? Its lose, lose, and lose harder. No relays? and as we saw in the Arrival DLC, the destruction of a relay is cataclysmic, so its safe to say we just committed galactic genocide and turned earth into the biggest parking lot ever.

4. There was absolutely no closure, none what so ever, not even as much as an epilogue. This was one of the MOST upsetting things to me. From a game that has been amazing and epic all the way through, to fall short, THAT badly, is more like a nightmare to me. I didnt see what happened to anyone except for the squad that teleported away from battle onto the normandy. Nothing involving my LI at all (that really bothered me because i was legitimately invested into jack).

5. Replay ability is lost unless this is rectified, i was sooo excited as i neared the end of the game, couldnt wait to upload my other saves and see what changes. Now i have no interest in doing that what so ever. I cant even begin the empty feeling i, and so many others have now. I cant even go back and play the previous installments because i know what it all leads to. Anything and everything we do is completely superfluous now. Im sitting here debating with myself, i really really want to start a second playthrough, then i talk myself out of it what very valid reasons (everything here) as to why i cant.

Over all, it was the biggest insult that could be payed to the greatest gaming trilogy ever. It was logically flawed, inconsistent, contained no real answers or closure, incredibly tragic and depressing, and killed any intention of a second playthrough. I hope you take the time to read this, and this is why im a part of the RetakeMassEffect campaign! - We will hold the line.

[fade2black2610]

The deaths of Mordin, Thane and Legion were brilliantly done, the conversations between Shepard and Miranda (if she was a love interest), drunk Ash/Tali, a returning and bloody Grunt and the conversation with Garrus whilst on Palaven.

Surprisingly though I wasn't too keen on the ending. I'm not sure if I'm the only one who thinks this or not but...

[Black_Diamond]

 Okay, list of awesome moments, in no particular order:

Tali as she claims places to live on Rannoch.
The geth and the quarians work together/getting the email saying the quarians would be able to live suit free thanks to the geth.
Shooting Udina...been waiting 2 games to do that. (any chance of a DLC with the option to paintball/rock salt/waterballoon the council members?)
Watching Ashley gain a lot of confidence and come into her own so to speak.
Watching Morodin complete his cure and sort of clear his conscience (/cry).
Thane's dying moments with Kolyat reading prayers and knowing his last thoughts were of Shepard (/cry).
Finally brokering peace between the krogan and the turians. (any DlC chance of waterballooning the salarian dalatress?)
Jack struggling to keep her offensive language under control, and then telling the kids to cover their ears while she lets one off at Joker.
Garrus as he struggles with the whole romance thing, with equal parts cute and bungler.

That said, ending needs help. #RetakeMassEffect

[Tossska]

[quote]gimzod76 wrote...

[quote]Swisspease wrote...

[quote]Conspicuous Cake wrote...

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[quote]Getorex wrote...

Show of virtual hands...how many of you have a handful (or more) of potential Shepards that you originally intended to import into ME3 but now wont all because of the ending?

My hand is raised.[/quote]

Raised... 

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Same. 

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(raises hand)

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Raises hand....

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Raises hand for all current and future shepards.
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*raises hand*

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Add me too.

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Raises hand

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My hands are so raised.




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hand raised.



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[DerekDraygon777]

Chris Priestly wrote...

We appreciate everyone’s feedback about Mass Effect 3 and want you to know that we are listening. Active discussions about the ending are more than welcome here, and the team will be reviewing it for feedback and responding when we can. Please note, we want to give people time to experience the game so while we can’t get into specifics right now, we will be able to address some of your questions once more people have had time to complete the game. In the meantime, we’d like to ask that you keep the non-spoiler areas of our forums and our social media channels spoiler free.
 
We understand there is a lot of debate on the Mass Effect 3 ending and we will be more than happy to engage in healthy discussions once more people get to experience the game. We are listening to all of your feedback.

In the meantime, let's give appreciation to Commander Shepard. Whether you loved the ME3 ending or didn't or you just have a lot of questions, he/she has given many of us some of the best adventures we have had while playing games. What was your favorite moment?

Mr. Priestly,

After playing the game and considering the experience as a whole, along with how new everything still is for a lot of people, I can understand the hesitation and wariness on the part of you and Bioware to reveal too much or to go into heavy discussion when a lot of people can't exactly comment just yet. Realistically, the vocal portion of the fans are still a minority in comparison to how many people have purchased the game (tens of thousands against one or two million). While my personal opinion may simply be a drop in the proverbial bucket. I personally am grateful for the preliminary responses from both you and Mr. Woo, and I sincerely hope some light may be shed on the situation we find ourselves in within the next few months.

Regarding my favorite moments in Mass Effect 3 itself, I find myself in a position similar to others in that I don't know where exactly to begin. From Garrus's witty banter with the rest of the party to Tali's heartfelt conversation on Rannoch, to the realistic conversations on the Citadel, to the numerous and, at times, sad reunions with the other characters we've invested in over the years, it's very difficult to pinpoint one singular moment that stands out as my favorite over all others. In fact, I am actually replaying the game on my other Shepard characters for the journey aspect of the game rather than the ending, which I disliked for pretty much the same reasons as everyone else.

Again, thank you for at least voicing the fact that you and the rest of the Bioware staff are paying attention to your customers, and I will personally be looking forward to the plans the company is making to improve upon Mass Effect 3 and turn it into what can quite possibly be the Game of the Year.

[Painis Cupcake]

AndrewHag wrote...

This game was one of the best I had ever played. Mordin's death made me even shed a tear but the ending was so awful its hard to believe it was made by the same people.

Its because it wasn't. Lots of Mass Effect developers quit after Mass Effect 1 because of EA's meddling.

Mass Effect 1 was a true RPG, Mass Effect 2 was a combination of RPG and third-person shooter, Mass Effect 3 was primarily a third-person shooter with few RPG aspects in it save for the choices you still need to make.

I bet you, if all of the original developers stayed throughout the franchise, the game would've turned out a lot different.

[Xerkysz]

Bradeh wrote...

BioWare trying to indoctrinate us, resist.

You are one of the rare people who wern't indoctrinated by the Gods of RPGs?
Welcome to the front line.
Take a seat, crack open a nice cold one and SOMEONE PASS ME MAH POPCORN!