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[jeweledleah]

Benchpress610 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

on a different note, speaking of behaviors of those who like the endings vs dislike them

www.gamespot.com/features/who-wins-when-mass-effect-3s-ending-changes-6367380/

all I have to say is, this is just one more reason why I don't respect or listen to opinions of so called "professional" gaming media.

So true!!...I'd like to post part one of the users replies (maxwell97):

"Gamespot editors, if we're going to compare Mass Effect to Beethoven, then let's imagine that Beethoven had wrapped up his ninth symphony with five minutes of developmentally-challenged howler monkeys banging on trash cans with baseball bats. If he had, I think it would be fair for the audience to point out that this segment of the work does not match either the style or quality of the rest, and that his artistic vision would, in fact, be best served by significant revision."

yep.  there was also a lone person within that original commentary, making a great point as well

Kevin VanOrd ‏@fiddlecub

I'm reminded of Beethoven, who made extensive revisions to Fidelio (and its overtures), in part based on audience disapproval.

honestly, it feels ike they just say what they say in order to make themselves feel superior. concidering how much they like to twist everything around in a worst possible way

[Thanatos144]

SekondaHuet wrote...

Bigbadbush wrote...

A game that allows you to make the altruistic choice of sacrificing your character for the good of the game's universe? Absolutely fantastic. Thank you to all at Bioware for putting your heart & soul into this series. I'll keep it with me to the end of my days.

You're a moron who clearly didn't pay a single bit of attention to the lore of this game if you thought that the ending's glaring plotholes did any good to the universe. Everything, EVERYTHING died. 

Ladies and gentlemen this is what a closed mind looks like. To this
poster no other opinion matters cause this poster seems to have said
so....Any attempt at trying to state a differing opinion will be met
with childish name calling and tantrum like mantra.

[LiarasShield]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Nitblade wrote...

Can we please change the outright bold face LIE that is the title of this thread, with their last announcement on the "clarification" DLC they have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they DO NOT LISTEN to their customers

They have completely disregarded the cardinal rule in business "The CUSTOMER is always right"

Yet they did listened. They just decided not to throw months and months of work out the window cause a few fans didnt get blue babies.

It is not even neccessarily about getting a happy ending though we would prefer one it is about how our actions should affect the ending and that things should be different beside different colored explosions and what was the point of the heroic sacrifice if the whole galaxy is destroy and all the races you brought together die in space do not understand that it is more then just shepard dying or is that the only thing you can see ?

[LiarasShield]

if so then my friend you're are kinda the most closed mind here

[miraclemight]

TsubakiYayoi wrote...

Before I forget. One question. Does anyone know what Anderson is refering to in the scene when he prevents Shepard falling into the hole in the house on the prologue? Shepard says thx I owe you one and Anderson says: More than one with a very serious voice. I can´t stop thinking that there is more to it.
When did Anderson really did anything crucial except giving me the command of the Normandy in ME1? I don´t think this refers to the Alpha Relay incident in any way. Thoughts?

He also disabled the Normandy's lockdown, allowing Shepard to follow Saren to Ilos.

[LiarasShield]

you blame others for not keeping a open mind but being a hypocrit won't help your case either and having ****** fits about people who played all 3 games who have worked hard to have their choices matter or for what they did those entire 3 games to matter in the final one is not a unreasonable thing to ask for espically when the makers themselves promised it would be

Modifié par LiarasShield, 06 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Moirai]

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

One does have to wonder to whom they were listening... or they just have VERY selective hearing.

So in order to prove they are listening they have to do as you say?

No. But if you are going to state you are 'listening' it's generally considered polite to at least acknowledge the speaker's points, which is something Bioware have failed to do.

Feigning 'listening', simply because it's good PR, is not the same.

However, the fact is, the only people that BioWare are actually interested in listening to is their accountants. Everything else is just a noise to be tolerated politely.

[LiarasShield]

so please stoping trying to be a **** and pick fights and also try to keep the open mind that you keep saying

Modifié par LiarasShield, 06 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Unlimited69x]

Obviously this topic fell on deaf ears. They did NOT listen.

Modifié par Unlimited69x, 06 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Thanatos144]

LiarasShield wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Nitblade wrote...

Can we please change the outright bold face LIE that is the title of this thread, with their last announcement on the "clarification" DLC they have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they DO NOT LISTEN to their customers

They have completely disregarded the cardinal rule in business "The CUSTOMER is always right"

Yet they did listened. They just decided not to throw months and months of work out the window cause a few fans didnt get blue babies.

It is not even neccessarily about getting a happy ending though we would prefer one it is about how our actions should affect the ending and that things should be different beside different colored explosions and what was the point of the heroic sacrifice if the whole galaxy is destroy and all the races you brought together die in space do not understand that it is more then just shepard dying or is that the only thing you can see ?

The problem with what you are complaining about is we dont know what happends to the universe after Shepard shakes off the mortal coil.  I do think that is one of the things the extended cut will clear up I hope.

[LiarasShield]

yes but do you not understand that you're being closed minded just like you who our accusing others of being lol?

[Mastermadskills]

HOLD THE WALLET!

Bioware won't listen to reason, but they WILL listen to their checkbook!

Bioware is a COMPANY, and it is US THE CONSUMERS that pay their bills!

JOIN THE MOVEMENT. SHOW BIOWARE WHO'S BOSS HERE!:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11036313/1

[LiarasShield]

back to my point though the promises of your actions really affecting the end game and war assets meaning something would be cool would I like to see shepard live with liara and have those blue kids you just mentioned damn right I would but if not at least liara could mourn shepard loss or still have the children and tell them how great their mother or father was in the battle to keep the galaxy together

[res27772]

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

One does have to wonder to whom they were listening... or they just have VERY selective hearing.

So in order to prove they are listening they have to do as you say?

Of course not... however, of all the things they could do, they chose, it seems, to completely ignore the main issue everyone is complaining about... basicly the crap post-Harbinger beam.

As I've said elsewhere, if what they've chosen to do with the EP explains everything sufficiently, fills the chasm sized plot holes etc, then fine... as it stands though, it doesn't seem they've listened at all to the main issue people have.

[Will Moor]

Personally, I am tired of people making references to "unicorns and rainbows" to those who would like an option for a happier ending.

[LiarasShield]

what some of us ask is really not that unreasonable and you know I am very calm today so I am in a really reasonable mood

[jeweledleah]

miraclemight wrote...

TsubakiYayoi wrote...

Before I forget. One question. Does anyone know what Anderson is refering to in the scene when he prevents Shepard falling into the hole in the house on the prologue? Shepard says thx I owe you one and Anderson says: More than one with a very serious voice. I can´t stop thinking that there is more to it.
When did Anderson really did anything crucial except giving me the command of the Normandy in ME1? I don´t think this refers to the Alpha Relay incident in any way. Thoughts?

He also disabled the Normandy's lockdown, allowing Shepard to follow Saren to Ilos.

I cann't beleive, I forgot that one... if Anderson didn't put his career (and potentialy his life, if you tell him to not go to Udina's office) on a line (and he basicaly takes full responsibility for that piece of mutiny), Shepard would have never made it to Ilos and the cycle would have continued

[LiarasShield]

I mean the love interest mourning your loss would be a nice touch if not a happy ending and them talking about you means that you ment something

[YendorN]

 I've always thought of the Reapers as a personification of the natural cycles of birth and death that plague all civilizations. Some upstart always comes along and surpasses and/or destroys every Great Civilization. In this light, perhaps we can view Technology (i.e. the Reapers, but also the Geth etc.) as the upstart competition. (Interesting that we create our own competition, but that's another topic.)
Not surprisingly, when Shepard confronts this unstoppable cosmic force, he is utterly powerless to challenge it. He must simply accept its terms. I think Bioware wrote this into ME3; the tone throughout the story is bleak and contains strong elements of resignation and fatalism. Some forces are greater than even Commander Shepard. Our hero learns this lesson and is terrifically humbled.
At the end, the choices all civilizations must face are presented to Shepard. A) We can destroy the competition/upstart. I'm thinking here of genocide, Rome salting the earth of Carthage. We can assimilate the competition. This, I think, is closer to how most historical cycles proceed. Rome sucked up everything Greece had to offer, which was a lot; likewise the American-European dynamic. C) We can enslave the competition, turn them into puppet states. Lots of examples in history for this. Colonialism is the most recent incarnation of this trend. None of these options is really Paragon. They all contain a degree of Renegade. Sounds like history. For me, Synthesis-assimilation is the most morally acceptable ending.

[jeweledleah]

Will Moor wrote...

Personally, I am tired of people making references to "unicorns and rainbows" to those who would like an option for a happier ending.

likewise.

unicorns and rainbows are impossible in a face of so much death ad destruction.  but to listen to those people who are so vehemently against happier ending - anything other then full out personal tragedy is cheap and unrealistic.

I'll be sure to tell all the real life soldiers that come home from war and reunite with their families, find love, etc - that they are doing it wrong and they are not allowed to grab that little bit of happiness for themselves.

[Huojin]

Will Moor wrote...

Personally, I am tired of people making references to "unicorns and rainbows" to those who would like an option for a happier ending.

Oi!

1. Unicorns and rainbows would probably make just as much - if not more - sense than what we got.
2. There's nothing wrong with unicorns and rainbows

Otherwise, I agree with you completely

[LiarasShield]

Like in my link in my signature it would've been cool if this happen even if shepard doesn't make it out alive the crew still mourns shepard loss and it is still compelling I just think they still could've done this in the game

[Theronyll Itholien]

Bigbadbush wrote...

A game that allows you to make the altruistic choice of sacrificing your character for the good of the game's universe? Absolutely fantastic. Thank you to all at Bioware for putting your heart & soul into this series. I'll keep it with me to the end of my days.

It's these kind of people that get my heart raising/raging.

[LoneStarGazer1952]

As has been said by others, my big beef was NOT with the outcome per se, but the fact that there are no significant differences in the so-called versions -- no matter what choices you make in the game. Sometimes, that's the way life works out -- an asteroid or comet crashes into the Earth and there go the dinosaurs, but that's not the way we should think about our life. (Example -- whether we have "free will" or not, we should all live our lives as if we have free will.) I enjoined the way the Legion/Geth episode focused (and EDI to some extent) our thoughts on what makes something or someone sentient and alive. I am grateful to Bioware in ME and ME2 for creating a virtual world where choices in the way one treats the virtual characters makes a difference in outcome, BUT this was a violation of the past of the game's. I was astounded to discover I could not find a "clever way" to get a healthy (or relatively healthy) Sheppard on the Citadel. All of the endings essentially ended up as the "death of galactic civilization" as we know it. I also expected to find some way (as in ME2) that I could keep my crew intact (more or less) and wander around the galaxy on virtual "walkabout."

[jeweledleah]

YendorN wrote...

 I've always thought of the Reapers as a personification of the natural cycles of birth and death that plague all civilizations. Some upstart always comes along and surpasses and/or destroys every Great Civilization. In this light, perhaps we can view Technology (i.e. the Reapers, but also the Geth etc.) as the upstart competition. (Interesting that we create our own competition, but that's another topic.)
Not surprisingly, when Shepard confronts this unstoppable cosmic force, he is utterly powerless to challenge it. He must simply accept its terms. I think Bioware wrote this into ME3; the tone throughout the story is bleak and contains strong elements of resignation and fatalism. Some forces are greater than even Commander Shepard. Our hero learns this lesson and is terrifically humbled.
At the end, the choices all civilizations must face are presented to Shepard. A) We can destroy the competition/upstart. I'm thinking here of genocide, Rome salting the earth of Carthage. We can assimilate the competition. This, I think, is closer to how most historical cycles proceed. Rome sucked up everything Greece had to offer, which was a lot; likewise the American-European dynamic. C) We can enslave the competition, turn them into puppet states. Lots of examples in history for this. Colonialism is the most recent incarnation of this trend. None of these options is really Paragon. They all contain a degree of Renegade. Sounds like history. For me, Synthesis-assimilation is the most morally acceptable ending.

then why fight at all?  why not just accept the sycle, abscond to some remote planet with Liara (or whatever other LI you may have) and let things continue as they are?  why not say to god child - keep going with your solution then?

and you know why Alexander the great was such a sucessful conqueror?  because unlike Rome (who never did manage to sucessfuly deal with celts), he allowed conquered states to keep their culture intact.  Prothean empire failed becasue they were too homogenized.

empires that try to homogenize everyone fail, sooner or later.  sometimes sooner.