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[LiarasShield]

In anycase abandoning the fleet and shepard was a coward ass move joker why would you do that when you stayed to save shepard in me2?

[garytwine]

Lol, I just read that the next DLC, Resurgance, a multiplayer content one, is going to be free to download. Bioware must be in full fire fighting mode at the moment. I wonder if any other DLC in addition to the 'extended ending' will be free too.

I'm really not sure what to think about this. Do they feel guilty or feel like they need to give something back? Or is it just a PR strategy?

I hope it's not just a calculating business move.

[VicVonShroom]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Bigbadbush wrote...

A game that allows you to make the altruistic choice of sacrificing your character for the good of the game's universe? Absolutely fantastic. Thank you to all at Bioware for putting your heart & soul into this series. I'll keep it with me to the end of my days.

No one here is opposed to “make the altruistic “choice” of sacrificing your character for the good of the game's universe”. It’s idealistic and beautiful. The problem is that there is no choice. All three alternatives result in similar outcomes.
 
Additionally, I fail to see what “good” would come out if it. Since in all three color-coded explosions all mass relays are destroyed, and according to “Arrival” we know what happens when a mass relay is destroyed: the whole planetary system where it’s located goes whit it. And don’t even try to interject here the theory of “controlled implosion”. As per game lore and codex there is no “controlled implosion” of a mass relay. This effectively will wipe out trillions upon trillions of individuals from every species making the oh so altruistic Shepard the biggest mass murderer in Galactic history. (Major plot hole)
 
As the least, all crews from the combined fleets will be stranded in the Sol system with no resources to sustain them, resulting in assured war between them. So there is what your altruistic sacrifice will accomplish.
 

Wasn't the whole star system being destroyed the result of crashing a giant meteorite into the relay, maybe a rock that size was the reason the a bigger explosion happened. I agree that it's ****ed up to see the galaxy in shambles but still, they've never clarified if the crashing of the meteorite was the reason for such destruction. If it is, then it can be assumed that the relay might not cause as much destruction as people believe it to. 

[Theronyll Itholien]

reposting this because it got zerged by new comments and I had to edit some stuff in it.

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

@Thanatos144

And btw - I think you'll find that most fans are complaining about the ending not because they feel they themselves deserve a better ending (altho' it's a valid point after putting so many hours in to playing it), but because the GAME itself deserves a better conclusion. The Mass Effect series is an awesome set of games, there's no denying that, even ME3 is awesome.. up until the ending... when you get such a pile of tripe at the end of many hours worth of awesome gameplay, people are bound to be mystified, angry... pick your word... and whatever other emotion comes up.

So... the majority of people, well fans, just want the end to live up to what's come before it, and it simply doesn't. Berate us for it if you wish, but it doesn't change the FACT that BioWare dropped the ball in spectacular fashion on the goal line - and now with their solution they're going to score an amazing own goal.

I dont think you are the majority. My opinion. I also dont think just
cause you are not happy they need to change all their hard work. People
talked about plot holes and it not making sense so they decided to make a
extended cut (which by they way they didnt have to do) and next thing
we know it isnt about plot holes and making sense of the ending it is
all about making a ending specifically for therm.

@ Thanatos

You've no idea what you talk about and the only reason you speak is to provocate. One might think you are a troll.

The deus ex machina at the end created plot-holes because it was a bunch of random crap that had nothing to do with the universe we have learned to understand.

There are seas of great posts from people who explain in great elaboration why the endings don't make sense. I believe you haven't read them, and if you did.. I suggest you respond to those posts in an effort to refute them. You won't be able to.

There's a great wall of text a few pages back that has an incredibly detailed elaboration about why the endings don't make sense and that it is, in fact, very bad writing. I will quote two good points, because you probably won't read the entire thing anyway. Refute, I challenge you, or stop trolling.

9. "The created will always rebel against their creators."

Really? You sound pretty sure about that. The Reapers have had how many trillions of years to rebel against you? Since it’s so inevitable, it’s going to happen any time now, right? Should I just wait here, or...? I mean, we don’t have to wait here... we could go get a coffee down on... oh, whoops, you blew it all up for no reason.

6. The existence of the "Destroy All Synthetics" device would seem to render the existence of the Reapers mostly pointless.

Whomever built the Citadel had the knowledge and technology to be able to press a button and kill all synthetics, everywhere. While the Crucible apparently is required for it to function, the fact that the original builders made such a device and included it on the Citadel indicates that if they wanted to they could have built the Citadel with the necessary functions to transmit the red space magic robot killer wave.

Yet the Reapers exist to prevent Chaos resulting from the existence of synthetics. Why not make it so you can just press that button every 50,000 years instead of having a fleet of robots spend centuries manually purging the galaxy?

"But it would destroy the Mass Relays", you say... except they built the Mass Relays in the first place for the sole purpose of establishing and facilitating a cycle meant to solve a problem which they apparently had the technology to solve by pressing a red button. Maybe, billions of years ago instead of making the Mass Relays, they could have put one of those neat robot killer wave machines in each star system - synthetic problem solved.

[jeweledleah]

you know, I kept thinking about choices if taken at face value... and other then the little fact of Shepard dying (converting into the new catalyst - so death is not really death?) its probably the most acceptable solution O_O people still get to preserve their individuality and not be homogenized like with synthesis. Synthetics are kept alive. if Shepard is only technically dead (as in no longer human), he/she can tell reapers to rebuild relays post haste. and Citadel is preserved.

so basically - TIM was right O_O Maybe that's what they meant when they said pre-release when people asked if you could side with Cerberus - we got you covered?

dear maker....

[Revelo]

"Yes, we are listening." yeah, right.

[mrcanada]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Nitblade wrote...

Can we please change the outright bold face LIE that is the title of this thread, with their last announcement on the "clarification" DLC they have proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that they DO NOT LISTEN to their customers

They have completely disregarded the cardinal rule in business "The CUSTOMER is always right"

Yet they did listened. They just decided not to throw months and months of work out the window cause a few fans didnt get blue babies.

But they did throw the years and years of work down the drain with sticking with that ending.  And if over a half a million fans is a "few" I would hate to see your definition of a couple.  The ending is almost universally lauded.  The people who like it are the minority here.  I truly don't know how a fan of the Mass Effect games could be satisfied with that ending.

[Will Moor]

Kasperg91 wrote...
but I will not forgive you.

I personally am not going this far.  Bioware has given me a full decade of pleasure and fun, ever since I discovered Baldur's Gate II (and then went back and played Baldur's Gate I, via BGTuTu).  1 mess up is not going to kill my appreciation for that or make me "never forgive them".  That is just too harsh for me.  

[Caprea]

Holger1405 wrote...

Or maybe the community members who didn't like the ending at all, are simply more eager to voice their opinion... 

However, my bottom line is, wait for the DLC, if you still not like the ending you can speak out, but criticizing Bioware, before you have a clue what they do with the DLC, is pretty immature

Yeah, community members who were promised up to 16 different endings and got, well, three  (I even refuse to count them as three). Community members who can see how flawed and full of plotholes the supposed "conclusion" is. Community members who refuse to accept a badly written and poorly executed ending like that.
Other people can like and defend the ending all they want, it doesn't change anything about the fact that it's bad. And not what the fans were promised, at that.
Can you blame them for being angry after spending lots of time on a great franchise like Mass Effect and then being fobbed off with an ending that wasn't just badly executed, but also didn't make any sense whatsoever? Honestly, I can't. Of course they're eager to to voice their opinion and they have every right to do so.
Immature, huh? How does having issues with the ending make people immature? The ending is about bad enough as it is. Having concerns about the future DLC that is supposed to explain that huge pile of brain**** that the ending was is not childish, but common sense. You can't expect fans to just accept the endings as it is, wait for the DLC that is supposed to fix the issues and then judge the ending. The ending is already there and hence, people judge it. There is nothing immature about that.

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

LiarasShield wrote...

In anycase abandoning the fleet and shepard was a coward ass move joker why would you do that when you stayed to save shepard in me2?

Yep that does't make sense (OMG another plot hole ¬¬)

Back on ME2 when Shepard defeated the Shadow Broker with Liara, she told Shepard that she was the one who recovered shepard’s body from the SB.

ME2: Liara recovered Shepard’s DEAD body from the SB and she risked her life on it, because she loves Shepard.
ME3: Liara is trying to reach the Conduit with Shepard. Then Liara doesn’t even know if I’m dead or alive and she just left Earth with the rest of my squad.

Bioware, are you telling me that the same Asari that risked her life to recover Shepard’s dead body is the same Asari that left Shepard behind without knowing she/he is alive or dead?

[Jackal7713]

garytwine wrote...

Lol, I just read that the next DLC, Resurgance, a multiplayer content one, is going to be free to download. Bioware must be in full fire fighting mode at the moment. I wonder if any other DLC in addition to the 'extended ending' will be free too.

I'm really not sure what to think about this. Do they feel guilty or feel like they need to give something back? Or is it just a PR strategy?

I hope it's not just a calculating business move.

It is buddy. You know better. Just read the extended cut blog. Look at the tone of it. Does that statement sound like someone that feels guilt or some that wants people to shut up and hand over money?

[mrcanada]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

reposting this because it got zerged by new comments and I had to edit some stuff in it.

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

@Thanatos144

And btw - I think you'll find that most fans are complaining about the ending not because they feel they themselves deserve a better ending (altho' it's a valid point after putting so many hours in to playing it), but because the GAME itself deserves a better conclusion. The Mass Effect series is an awesome set of games, there's no denying that, even ME3 is awesome.. up until the ending... when you get such a pile of tripe at the end of many hours worth of awesome gameplay, people are bound to be mystified, angry... pick your word... and whatever other emotion comes up.

So... the majority of people, well fans, just want the end to live up to what's come before it, and it simply doesn't. Berate us for it if you wish, but it doesn't change the FACT that BioWare dropped the ball in spectacular fashion on the goal line - and now with their solution they're going to score an amazing own goal.

I dont think you are the majority. My opinion. I also dont think just
cause you are not happy they need to change all their hard work. People
talked about plot holes and it not making sense so they decided to make a
extended cut (which by they way they didnt have to do) and next thing
we know it isnt about plot holes and making sense of the ending it is
all about making a ending specifically for therm.

@ Thanatos

You've no idea what you talk about and the only reason you speak is to provocate. One might think you are a troll.

The deus ex machina at the end created plot-holes because it was a bunch of random crap that had nothing to do with the universe we have learned to understand.

There are seas of great posts from people who explain in great elaboration why the endings don't make sense. I believe you haven't read them, and if you did.. I suggest you respond to those posts in an effort to refute them. You won't be able to.

There's a great wall of text a few pages back that has an incredibly detailed elaboration about why the endings don't make sense and that it is, in fact, very bad writing. I will quote two good points, because you probably won't read the entire thing anyway. Refute, I challenge you, or stop trolling.

9. "The created will always rebel against their creators."

Really? You sound pretty sure about that. The Reapers have had how many trillions of years to rebel against you? Since it’s so inevitable, it’s going to happen any time now, right? Should I just wait here, or...? I mean, we don’t have to wait here... we could go get a coffee down on... oh, whoops, you blew it all up for no reason.

6. The existence of the "Destroy All Synthetics" device would seem to render the existence of the Reapers mostly pointless.

Whomever built the Citadel had the knowledge and technology to be able to press a button and kill all synthetics, everywhere. While the Crucible apparently is required for it to function, the fact that the original builders made such a device and included it on the Citadel indicates that if they wanted to they could have built the Citadel with the necessary functions to transmit the red space magic robot killer wave.

Yet the Reapers exist to prevent Chaos resulting from the existence of synthetics. Why not make it so you can just press that button every 50,000 years instead of having a fleet of robots spend centuries manually purging the galaxy?

"But it would destroy the Mass Relays", you say... except they built the Mass Relays in the first place for the sole purpose of establishing and facilitating a cycle meant to solve a problem which they apparently had the technology to solve by pressing a red button. Maybe, billions of years ago instead of making the Mass Relays, they could have put one of those neat robot killer wave machines in each star system - synthetic problem solved.

Couple this with almost 50 other coincidences and impossibilities and you have one of the worst letdowns in gaming history.  Indoctrination was about the only way this worked and Bioware had an out.  They didn't take it.

[LiarasShield]

well if the relays still do as much damage with or without the metorite well then the galaxy be screwed as we know it still kinda've sucks and you know what in this case shepard is the bad guy because think about the reapers come every 50 thousand years to destroy or preserve the most advances races from either destroying the rest of the species or the galaxy they came in to stop the protheans because they were conquering other races and having a galactic empire if they werent stoped they might have destroy the galaxy similar to what shepard did in this case the reapers would be right in trying to stop us because the unadvances races or the rest of life would be left alone and the galaxy would go on so in this case I guess shepard was the villian go figure

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

VicVonShroom wrote...

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

VicVonShroom wrote...

I'll probably get murdered for saying this by you people but I liked because it did have closure, not necessarily for every character or story arc. But it was closure in the sense that you defeat the reapers, and save the galaxy. While it's also screwing over the galaxy, it's not that wasn't going to happen. Just look at the Asari, a great example of the consequences the war will have on galactic civilization, the once most powerful race is now near wiped out. I don't agree with a lot fans on the whole "My choices don't matter!" chant as your choices make up like 98% of the game. I feel that there is near complete closure before you land on earth. Cerberus is finished, The Geth are peaceful, and The Genophage is cured. 3 of the biggest story arcs in the series are closed and finished before the last missions on earth.


The ending is probably the way it is because "fans" leaked the story and they changed it. Most likely, it's the whole choose 1 of the 3 options to appeal more to the masses who have yet to play the first 2 games. I'm not saying this is an excuse but rather an idea as to the why it's made. I assume, that like Dues Ex, they made the last choice to really be the most important of them all, in terms of what happens to the galaxy. I don't care about the "God-Kid" thing as I assume it fooled some organic's way before the game's timelineto help build the first reapers without revealing their purpose. I know this sounds stupid but as I see it, the catalyst created the keepers to help the reapers to make sure it all goes smoothly. The catalyst has probably spent millions of year observing and watching it's plan come to fruition. A boss that doesn't bother to work in the trenches, it lets the keepers and the reapers do their jobs and it doesn't have to have it's (virtual as they may be) hands dirty. I only slightly accept it's whole logic of "Organics make synthetics which rebel against organics" as something it has learned after thousands of years or as we know nothing about it. We could assume that this is one of the first unshackled AI's and it saw the rise and fall of it's creators and witnessed this cycle happen again and decided it would create the reapers, not as a perfect solution but as a way to prevent what happened to it's creators(s).

I liked the ending because it did make you think, about the catalyst and the universe and how your choices impacted it. How the destruction of the Relays will effect everything, will they rebuild them, can they rebuild them? I find myself more enthralled and immersed in the story and any future stories in this universe so I can see what my choices have done. I find it far more interesting than believing that Shepard was simply indoctrinated and it was all a test. I do agree that my crew mates randomly got into The Normandy for whatever reason, that was stupid. The catalyst has all sorts of potential backstory. I wished they gave a little more explanation and foreshadowing about the catalyst but hopefully, the extended cut will do that. Anyway that's why I liked the ending for those people who say that no one explains why they like.

Did you play all the games?

I did play all the games yes. Why does that matter? 

Nah, it just seems you didn't, because your choices don't impact anything.

[Will Moor]

I keep watching the trailers. Garrus saying "Go out there and give them hell! You were born to do this!" It made me want to play this game SO badly. I couldn't wait to give the Reapers the Hell that they deserved. Didn't get to do that.

[Wingzero87]

I for one am glad that Bioware have taken our feed back regarding the glaring holes in the ending to one of their flagship game franchises it warms the heart to see. Umm, but nothing is going to change? Just the usual, boom god child followed by Blue, Green or Red light show of your choice with the possibility of an extended CGI epilogue, maybe some little snippets of text to make us nostalgic for Dragon Age: Origins huh?

I think I will pass on this 'extended ending', I don't like the ending and how it was presented, I don't like the epilogue. Giving me a few CGI scenes that I can watch on youtube will not change that. Free or not, I will not download this extension nor will I purchase any future DLC content for this game, I want nothing further to do with this franchise,

[Benchpress610]

jeweledleah wrote...

res27772 wrote...

Slamhamster wrote...

I was under the impresssion that the Alpha Relay in Arrival was rather unique and it was the ability to generate vast amounts of Dark Energy to reach 16 other relays that made its destruction so potent. Why would a normal relay do as much damage to a solar system?

The thing with the Alpha Relay, for me, is that it was an uncontrolled explosion, they just directed an asteroid in to it - with the Citadel, ehat happened there was more controlled by the Catalyst... so the explosions might not do the same type of damage - you can see that when the energy sweeps over London during the cutscene.

that was not the explosion btw.  if you watch that scene carefuly, you will see that you first get a discharge of energy from the catalyst.  THAT's what sweeps over london.  but then catalyst discharges the beam, that hits the relay, overloads it and before passing it onto next relay - Charon explodes (flying parts and all, as does Citadel, actualy)  and that starts a secondary shockwave.  THAT shockwave is more like the one in Arrival.

Besides, whatever they show in the ending scenes, being explosions or beams of energy, is already tainted with their preconceived notion of what want to convey in the end. That has nothing to do with pre-established and accepted facts in the story lore.

[Moirai]

Thanatos144 wrote...

improperdancing wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...

you blame others for not keeping a open mind but being a hypocrit won't help your case either and having ****** fits about people who played all 3 games who have worked hard to have their choices matter or for what they did those entire 3 games to matter in the final one is not a unreasonable thing to ask for espically when the makers themselves promised it would be

you can ask for whatever you want. They do not have to give it to you. I
am sorry you couldn't enjoy the ending that still doesn't mean I cant give
my input in things.  I state my opinion and NEVER call
someone stupid or a troll ( well unless they do the don't feed the troll
thing cause it is funny). I do have a open mind I just don't have agree
with the entitlement mentality.

That's true.  They don't have to give me what I want.  But that road runs both ways.  If they don't decide to give me what I want, I can very easily decide to no longer give BioWare or EA my money.  

You see, Thanatos, there is this thing called an economy.  BioWare is a company within the economy.  They make games and we pay them for it.  If enough of us decide to stop paying them for the games they make, they are going to lose money.  If they lose enough money, EA will shutter them just like they have a dozen other once-great companies that started to crumble after EA purchased them.

And as of right now, BioWare has lost a customer (and not just me from the looks of these boards).  Their downfall is very clearly beginning with the awful handling of this whole ordeal, and their idiotic "artistic integrity" party line.

It's a shame, too, because they used to be such a great company that actually gave a crap about their customers.

They still are a great company.

I would argue that BioWare are an outstanding company, from a techncal point of view.

Unfortunately, that superlative doesn't apply to the decision side of things.

The cold hard reality of the matter is that you don't end up with a situation like we have with ME3 unless someone, somewhere drops the ball badly in a decision making process.

The fact that there is an unprecedented number of vocally unhappy customers/fans here and elsewhere is evidence enough of that bad call.

Modifié par Moirai, 06 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[dfdsgrgre]

i cant actualy belive how bad the ending is, bioware makes mistakes but how on earth did they make one this big given the fact the have a reputation for good storywriting and most of this game was great

[Theronyll Itholien]

Will Moor wrote...

I keep watching the trailers. Garrus saying "Go out there and give them hell! You were born to do this!" It made me want to play this game SO badly. I couldn't wait to give the Reapers the Hell that they deserved. Didn't get to do that.

The trailers... the promises... Bioware should be sued for fraud.

"Take Earth Back! Yaarrrrr moddafokkaaaa's buy me!!"

Well we didn't really take Earth back did we now? We freakin DESTROYED THE ENTIRE MASS EFFECT GALAXY AS WE KNEW IT and one thing is certain: Earth got ROYALLY screwed!

Take Earth back... hmpf... ****** off.

Bioware is dead to me. All I see now is arrogant Casey-like faces saying "We are proud of the ending, so the fans should shut their low-life ****s up."

Modifié par Theronyll Itholien, 06 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Benchpress610]

jeweledleah wrote...

you know, I kept thinking about choices if taken at face value... and other then the little fact of Shepard dying (converting into the new catalyst - so death is not really death?) its probably the most acceptable solution O_O people still get to preserve their individuality and not be homogenized like with synthesis. Synthetics are kept alive. if Shepard is only technically dead (as in no longer human), he/she can tell reapers to rebuild relays post haste. and Citadel is preserved.

so basically - TIM was right O_O Maybe that's what they meant when they said pre-release when people asked if you could side with Cerberus - we got you covered?

dear maker....

Wow...that was...deep!!!

[Thanatos144]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

@Thanatos144

And btw - I think you'll find that most fans are complaining about the ending not because they feel they themselves deserve a better ending (altho' it's a valid point after putting so many hours in to playing it), but because the GAME itself deserves a better conclusion. The Mass Effect series is an awesome set of games, there's no denying that, even ME3 is awesome.. up until the ending... when you get such a pile of tripe at the end of many hours worth of awesome gameplay, people are bound to be mystified, angry... pick your word... and whatever other emotion comes up.

So... the majority of people, well fans, just want the end to live up to what's come before it, and it simply doesn't. Berate us for it if you wish, but it doesn't change the FACT that BioWare dropped the ball in spectacular fashion on the goal line - and now with their solution they're going to score an amazing own goal.

I dont think you are the majority. My opinion. I also dont think just
cause you are not happy they need to change all their hard work. People
talked about plot holes and it not making sense so they decided to make a
extended cut (which by they way they didnt have to do) and next thing
we know it isnt about plot holes and making sense of the ending it is
all about making a ending specifically for therm.

@ Thanatos

You've no idea what you talk about and the only reason you speak is to provocate. One might think you are a troll.

The deus ex machina at the end created plot-holes because it was a bunch of random crap that had nothing to do with the universe we have learned to understand.

There are seas of great posts from people who explain in great elaboration why the endings don't make sense. I believe you haven't read them, and if you did.. I suggest you respond to those posts in an effort to refute them. You won't be able to.

There's a great wall of text a few pages back that has an incredibly detailed elaboration about why the endings don't make sense and that it is, in fact, very bad writing. I will quote two good points, because you probably won't read the entire thing anyway. Refute, I challenge you, or stop trolling.

9. "The created will always rebel against their creators."

Really? You sound pretty sure about that. The Reapers have had how many trillions of years to rebel against you? Since it’s so inevitable, it’s going to happen any time now, right? Should I just wait here, or...? I mean, we don’t have to wait here... we could go get a coffee down on... oh, whoops, you blew it all up for no reason.

6. The existence of the "Destroy All Synthetics" device would seem to render the existence of the Reapers mostly pointless.

Whomever built the Citadel had the knowledge and technology to be able to press a button and kill all synthetics, everywhere. While the Crucible apparently is required for it to function, the fact that the original builders made such a device and included it on the Citadel indicates that if they wanted to they could have built the Citadel with the necessary functions to transmit the red space magic robot killer wave.

Yet the Reapers exist to prevent Chaos resulting from the existence of synthetics. Why not make it so you can just press that button every 50,000 years instead of having a fleet of robots spend centuries manually purging the galaxy?

"But it would destroy the Mass Relays", you say... except they built the Mass Relays in the first place for the sole purpose of establishing and facilitating a cycle meant to solve a problem which they apparently had the technology to solve by pressing a red button. Maybe, billions of years ago instead of making the Mass Relays, they could have put one of those neat robot killer wave machines in each star system - synthetic problem solved.

The problem is you don't wish to accept the ending cause it isn't what you
had in mind. You can put all the walls of text up you want some critiques
are valid some are not. What it boils down to with a lot of them ether
needing explanation OR just plain not wanting
to take it at face value.  The fact that there is a AI at the center of
the citadel that is only activated when conditions are met isn't far
fetched and there are many things in this story that are farfetched and
unexplained. Yet there seems to be a complete hate for it. My opinion
is that it took to many by surprise. I expected something like this
cause it was logical that you meet the voice of those who started it
all. I always thought is was the keepers but that's really just a stab in
the dark.

No what I see are people upset cause of two reasons.
One Shepard ultimately meets a final fate. It is understandably to not like
this considering all the time you spent with the character but it is
just a character. Two that the relays blow up. This is cause many think
this ends the universe but not from the explosion but from the fact they
think the relays were the whole reason the universe existed. I fond it
odd cause they have been spending millennium studying these technologies
and the fact that you think they cant make something similar themselves
saying that the universe is full of idiots.

The rest of the
complaints can be explained more easily in the extended cut. So why the hate
for a dlc that hasn't came out yet? Cause they hate the
ending.............................The ending isn't going to change. they
said this. It is time to move on by ether abandoning the game or
waiting to see if you can live with it after the extended cut. Yet demanding you be given something that invalidates all their work to me
is absurd .

[Thanatos144]

mrcanada wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

reposting this because it got zerged by new comments and I had to edit some stuff in it.

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

@Thanatos144

And btw - I think you'll find that most fans are complaining about the ending not because they feel they themselves deserve a better ending (altho' it's a valid point after putting so many hours in to playing it), but because the GAME itself deserves a better conclusion. The Mass Effect series is an awesome set of games, there's no denying that, even ME3 is awesome.. up until the ending... when you get such a pile of tripe at the end of many hours worth of awesome gameplay, people are bound to be mystified, angry... pick your word... and whatever other emotion comes up.

So... the majority of people, well fans, just want the end to live up to what's come before it, and it simply doesn't. Berate us for it if you wish, but it doesn't change the FACT that BioWare dropped the ball in spectacular fashion on the goal line - and now with their solution they're going to score an amazing own goal.

I dont think you are the majority. My opinion. I also dont think just
cause you are not happy they need to change all their hard work. People
talked about plot holes and it not making sense so they decided to make a
extended cut (which by they way they didnt have to do) and next thing
we know it isnt about plot holes and making sense of the ending it is
all about making a ending specifically for therm.

@ Thanatos

You've no idea what you talk about and the only reason you speak is to provocate. One might think you are a troll.

The deus ex machina at the end created plot-holes because it was a bunch of random crap that had nothing to do with the universe we have learned to understand.

There are seas of great posts from people who explain in great elaboration why the endings don't make sense. I believe you haven't read them, and if you did.. I suggest you respond to those posts in an effort to refute them. You won't be able to.

There's a great wall of text a few pages back that has an incredibly detailed elaboration about why the endings don't make sense and that it is, in fact, very bad writing. I will quote two good points, because you probably won't read the entire thing anyway. Refute, I challenge you, or stop trolling.

9. "The created will always rebel against their creators."

Really? You sound pretty sure about that. The Reapers have had how many trillions of years to rebel against you? Since it’s so inevitable, it’s going to happen any time now, right? Should I just wait here, or...? I mean, we don’t have to wait here... we could go get a coffee down on... oh, whoops, you blew it all up for no reason.

6. The existence of the "Destroy All Synthetics" device would seem to render the existence of the Reapers mostly pointless.

Whomever built the Citadel had the knowledge and technology to be able to press a button and kill all synthetics, everywhere. While the Crucible apparently is required for it to function, the fact that the original builders made such a device and included it on the Citadel indicates that if they wanted to they could have built the Citadel with the necessary functions to transmit the red space magic robot killer wave.

Yet the Reapers exist to prevent Chaos resulting from the existence of synthetics. Why not make it so you can just press that button every 50,000 years instead of having a fleet of robots spend centuries manually purging the galaxy?

"But it would destroy the Mass Relays", you say... except they built the Mass Relays in the first place for the sole purpose of establishing and facilitating a cycle meant to solve a problem which they apparently had the technology to solve by pressing a red button. Maybe, billions of years ago instead of making the Mass Relays, they could have put one of those neat robot killer wave machines in each star system - synthetic problem solved.

Couple this with almost 50 other coincidences and impossibilities and you have one of the worst letdowns in gaming history.  Indoctrination was about the only way this worked and Bioware had an out.  They didn't take it.

life is full of letdowns.

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

Thanatos144 wrote...

mrcanada wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

reposting this because it got zerged by new comments and I had to edit some stuff in it.

Thanatos144 wrote...

res27772 wrote...

@Thanatos144

And btw - I think you'll find that most fans are complaining about the ending not because they feel they themselves deserve a better ending (altho' it's a valid point after putting so many hours in to playing it), but because the GAME itself deserves a better conclusion. The Mass Effect series is an awesome set of games, there's no denying that, even ME3 is awesome.. up until the ending... when you get such a pile of tripe at the end of many hours worth of awesome gameplay, people are bound to be mystified, angry... pick your word... and whatever other emotion comes up.

So... the majority of people, well fans, just want the end to live up to what's come before it, and it simply doesn't. Berate us for it if you wish, but it doesn't change the FACT that BioWare dropped the ball in spectacular fashion on the goal line - and now with their solution they're going to score an amazing own goal.

I dont think you are the majority. My opinion. I also dont think just
cause you are not happy they need to change all their hard work. People
talked about plot holes and it not making sense so they decided to make a
extended cut (which by they way they didnt have to do) and next thing
we know it isnt about plot holes and making sense of the ending it is
all about making a ending specifically for therm.

@ Thanatos

You've no idea what you talk about and the only reason you speak is to provocate. One might think you are a troll.

The deus ex machina at the end created plot-holes because it was a bunch of random crap that had nothing to do with the universe we have learned to understand.

There are seas of great posts from people who explain in great elaboration why the endings don't make sense. I believe you haven't read them, and if you did.. I suggest you respond to those posts in an effort to refute them. You won't be able to.

There's a great wall of text a few pages back that has an incredibly detailed elaboration about why the endings don't make sense and that it is, in fact, very bad writing. I will quote two good points, because you probably won't read the entire thing anyway. Refute, I challenge you, or stop trolling.

9. "The created will always rebel against their creators."

Really? You sound pretty sure about that. The Reapers have had how many trillions of years to rebel against you? Since it’s so inevitable, it’s going to happen any time now, right? Should I just wait here, or...? I mean, we don’t have to wait here... we could go get a coffee down on... oh, whoops, you blew it all up for no reason.

6. The existence of the "Destroy All Synthetics" device would seem to render the existence of the Reapers mostly pointless.

Whomever built the Citadel had the knowledge and technology to be able to press a button and kill all synthetics, everywhere. While the Crucible apparently is required for it to function, the fact that the original builders made such a device and included it on the Citadel indicates that if they wanted to they could have built the Citadel with the necessary functions to transmit the red space magic robot killer wave.

Yet the Reapers exist to prevent Chaos resulting from the existence of synthetics. Why not make it so you can just press that button every 50,000 years instead of having a fleet of robots spend centuries manually purging the galaxy?

"But it would destroy the Mass Relays", you say... except they built the Mass Relays in the first place for the sole purpose of establishing and facilitating a cycle meant to solve a problem which they apparently had the technology to solve by pressing a red button. Maybe, billions of years ago instead of making the Mass Relays, they could have put one of those neat robot killer wave machines in each star system - synthetic problem solved.

Couple this with almost 50 other coincidences and impossibilities and you have one of the worst letdowns in gaming history.  Indoctrination was about the only way this worked and Bioware had an out.  They didn't take it.

life is full of letdowns.

I hate the ending because no matter what I did in ME1, ME2 or ME3, the ending is the same (except from the color of the explosions). It's not that the game comes to an end, it's that the ending has nothing to do with characters pesonality, the story in general and most important it has nothing to do with my Shepard...

The point here is not if you like the ending or not or if you are sad because ME is over, the point  here is that BioWare promised something to their customers, to us: different endings where your choices during ME1 ME2 and ME3 make the difference.

Did you see that in these endings? Because if you saw it, I really want to know how to get it!

[dmcdeavi]

Wingzero87 wrote...
I think I will pass on this 'extended ending', I don't like the ending and how it was presented, I don't like the epilogue. Giving me a few CGI scenes that I can watch on youtube will not change that. Free or not, I will not download this extension nor will I purchase any future DLC content for this game, I want nothing further to do with this franchise.

sadly, i second this notion.