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[maddlarkin]

Yes Bioware, you are listening, but apparently you are not hearing a single thing the fans... YOUR CUSTOMERS have been saying for the last 3 weeks.

Congratulations in turning a simple, fixable problem, into the worst PR disaster in gaming history.

[wesr]

maddlarkin wrote...

Yes Bioware, you are listening, but apparently you are not hearing a single thing the fans... YOUR CUSTOMERS have been saying for the last 3 weeks.

Congratulations in turning a simple, fixable problem, into the worst PR disaster in gaming history.

Hopefully no other companies make the same mistake. All that was needed was to follow Bethesda's way of doing things like with Broken Steel.

[Omnike]

stellap20 wrote...

So nobody knows what they talked about for an hour at PAX. Forget the ending for a minute what did they actually talk about?

Nothing important, really. They didn't adress the endings too much, at least not what I saw. They shot down anyone asking about the DLC or anything like that pretty early on. They said they want the ending to speak for itself.

[chemiclord]

chkchkchk wrote...

Dear Bioware:

At least make sure the whole writing team gets to work on this extended cut.

That in and of itself will probably do wonders.  I've never been particuarly impressed with Hudson's contributions as part of the writing team, and the knowledge that he and someone else (can't remember the name) decided to keep everyone in the dark and go it alone for the ending had disaster written all over it.

[Valk72]

chkchkchk wrote...

Dear Bioware:

At least make sure the whole writing team gets to work on this extended cut.

The whole writing team minus Hudson, he'll make the ending even worse XD

Ps: It's a joke... or it is

Modifié par Valk72, 07 avril 2012 - 02:21 .

[Dragonseye1138]

Omnike wrote...

 They said they want the ending to speak for itself.

Oh, it speaks for itself alright, and it says: "Boingo, Boingo, whoopsie knickers.  Buy DLC."

I am catuoisly optimistic concerning Extended Cut, but I'm not really holding my breath.  It's free so I have no reason to not take a look at it, but Bioware has already destroyed their own reputation, so...yeah, pass the salt, I need a few grains.

Modifié par Dragonseye1138, 07 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[chemiclord]

Valk72 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

Dear Bioware:

At least make sure the whole writing team gets to work on this extended cut.

The whole writing team minus Hudson, he'll make the ending even worse XD

Ps: It's a joke... or it is

I didn't take it as such.  It's probably pretty accurate.

[edr78]

Well, I'm done with Bioware and EA. This is an insult to the fans' intelligence, when they are
definitelly not listening to them, and this whole process is very draining, using PR against us, meh. I have already given BW / EA a lot of my time ( over 1 month + the countless hours I played their games), well that's it for me guys. You'll have many other customers, but you have lost me. Thanks anyway for curing me of my ME fan addiction.

[tschamp]

Anyone else feel like saying,"Hello? Is the internet on?" They missed the whole point of the major issue people are having. The ending makes no sense. Even if you disregard the fact your choices don't matter, the ending doesn't fit in how the story progressed to ME 3. It made a sharp turn in the last 20 minutes and flew in out of nowhere. Bioware's rep were their ability to weave a fantastic story, but they fail on endings. I am looking forward to seeing the multi-color ending for DA 3: Watercolor World.

[deltaforce1098]

Garrus Was Right


" Yell loud enough and someone will eventually come over to see what the fuss is about." Garrus

We screamed for answers from Bioware. We wanted closure or new endings. They are giving us a Director's cut ending this summer. Heres to hoping it doesnt suck either.

"Not that they'll actually do anything about." Garrus

[Valk72]

chemiclord wrote...

Valk72 wrote...

chkchkchk wrote...

Dear Bioware:

At least make sure the whole writing team gets to work on this extended cut.

The whole writing team minus Hudson, he'll make the ending even worse XD

Ps: It's a joke... or it is

I didn't take it as such.  It's probably pretty accurate.

It's actually my greatest fear you know...

[Sith Reaper]

Personal things that I would love in the ending:

*More personalization (which the team said today at the panel, which is great!)
*More context (again, confirmed in FAQ)
*Epilogues (Confirmed)
*Maybe happier, if done right
*HARBINGER HARBINGER HARBINGERRRRR

Speaking of HARBINGER, now for the real purpose of this post. No more nice talk. Harbinger needs to be in this new ending. The fact that he flies away after two games is very frustrating, enough that I threw my shoe at the screen. I will live, BioWare, if he is not in the new ending... but know that I am watching you.

SITH REAPER OUT

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 07 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[RenderedToast]

Bioware - please deal with it. Your ending isn't good. You say that you stick by the artistic vision of the team and I understand your desire to hold your own line on that one, but the fact is that your customers are unsatisfied and you should do something about it rather than just outright stating that we just don't get it.

I'm sure someone at Bethesda thought the correct ending for Fallout 3 was for your character to die... but hey, guess what, everyone disagreed and it was changed. Hell, it was outright mocked IN GAME with the Broken Steel DLC and it didn't have even nearly the backlash that this ending has had, and for good reason. It's no hyperbole to say that, in my opinion, Mass Effect had the opportunity to go down in history as the greatest video game trilogy of all time - instead it's going to be remembered just like Lost is, and we all know how that worked out.

[bertm1975]

I've deleted the iOS game and datapad, selling my Bioware games, and pretty much moving on.The story is done, and the curtain has come down. Its over, and I'm sure Bioware doesn't care. No more suggestions or feedback, as you haven't listened. Enjoy the artistic intergrity and your plot hole ridden, confusing ending and I will make sure I watch it on YouTube. I do too wish I had never played any of these games. Oh and very funny about Dragon Age 3..our choices will matter. Thats a good one.

I'm going back to Gears of War, Skyrim, LA NOIRE, Mortal Kombat....and WITCHER 2 on the 17th.

[SpartanKPM]

BioWare Team,

I have to say my favorite part was right when the MASSIVE Fleet of all races warps into the Sol system to kick butt and save Earth.

As I love all ME games, the ending of the 3rd was a bit disappointing to put it politely.

One major thing that disappointed me about progressing to the ending of 3,
I had just bought a new hard drive for my Xbox 360. (after playing through ME, ME 2 and expansions and awaiting ME3 with much excitement, on my old hard drive) When I went to transfer my data to the new hard drive it corrupted and unfortunately I didn't realize this until I had bought 3. So no problem ill just go through ME 1 and 2 etc... now knowing you the creators spent a lot of time into building the series, would know how long it would take for an average gamer to go through the game(s) and developing the story the way they want, as you designed it. Why would you have such great build up, tons of entertainment through out these games with much time for the player(s) to invest into it, with almost all choice left to the player, have the game/story come crashing to a disastrous, devastating ending? To me the ending left so many holes in the story as well as many questions as to "what the hell just happened?"

I'm just curious as to how the ending was thought out in the teams mind and how it was accepted to put forth to us consumers?

I would just like some answers, as I loved the games. (and other BioWare products).

Sincerely,
Kirk M.

[Bone3ater]

Well, EA already has our money, they have to pay satan his cut, so of course there won't be anything useful for ME3 or any other franchise for that matter, whatsoever, ever again.

Also, this thread is gold, nice trollin' OP. Should belong on /b though.

[maddlarkin]

wesr wrote...

maddlarkin wrote...

Yes Bioware, you are listening, but apparently you are not hearing a single thing the fans... YOUR CUSTOMERS have been saying for the last 3 weeks.

Congratulations in turning a simple, fixable problem, into the worst PR disaster in gaming history.

Hopefully no other companies make the same mistake. All that was needed was to follow Bethesda's way of doing things like with Broken Steel.

Not Just Bethesda, Square Enx also admitted to mistakes over Human Revolutions frustrating Boss fights, admitted it and made patches (reminds me must replay that to see how improved it is) and Mirrors Edge's writer condemed Biowares stance too... So there is still hope in the industry, I just don't think its here

Btw as a side not, in an article on the ending for game Dev. opinions Bethesdas representative (you'll have to look up the link yourself I'm off to bed in a sec) said their aim was to make something 'fun for the player'
That one simple point is where Bioware screwed up and continues to in every 'artistic integrity post they make... come on honestly, can anyone tell me they had fun during the endings, even the ones in favour of them... anyone?

[Johcande XX]

I can't really comment to the degree that BioWare was "listening" to us; it seems that they are just trying to shut the angry fanbase up, especially since it doesn't address HOW the Ex.Cut will FIX the endings.

[chemiclord]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Personal things that I would love in the ending:

*More personalization (which the team said today at the panel, which is great!)
*More context (again, confirmed in FAQ)
*Epilogues (Confirmed)
*Maybe happier, if done right
*HARBINGER HARBINGER HARBINGERRRRR

Speaking of HARBINGER, now for the real purpose of this post. No more nice talk. Harbinger needs to be in this new ending. The fact that he flies away after two games is very frustrating, enough that I threw my shoe at the screen. I will live, BioWare, if he is not in the new ending... but know that I am watching you.

SITH REAPER OUT

If these things happen, I will be content with the ending provided.  Many won't be, because of promises made before by a man who is, to put it quite bluntly, a bit of a tool.  There's nothing Bioware will be willing to do to placate these people (whether you think their complaints are just or not).  I wish it could be that simple, and everyone could move on... but after so much money and hours invested, it's hard to just let go.

I shouldn't have been so combative to those who have brought forth complaints, and for that, I am sorry.  Whether we agree or not, whether we think it's good or it sucks, I think it would help if we all take a deep breath, not immediately dismiss every counterpoint as "stupid" or "whining", acknowledge that there's good reason behind nearly everyone who has spoken out on this issue, and try to be reasonably civil at least to each other, if not to a faceless corporate entity.

Modifié par chemiclord, 07 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[kellodea]

ME3 was like listening to the symphony play Beethoven's 9th and then watching in horror as they have the "artistic" integrity to replace the final movement with "a shave and a haircut"...
Seriously, Bioware? Take your lame two bits ending and extended clarification and go jump in a lake.
I can't believe you are standing by that ending. It is an artistic atrocity.

[ODSTmarine]

This is probably in these 605 pages a lot

[die-yng]

Explanation and clarification are fine, but they do nothing to explain the change in gameplay, they don't plug the plotholes, they don't change the things that simply make no sense or that Shepard acted totally out of character in the end.

If this is really all you have to offer, then that's it for me.
I'm waiting until the DLC and if you still insist on calling the crap you come up with just before you ran out of time an artistic ending and don't at least change what was so unbelievably dumb and wrong about it, then that's it for me and I'm off the boards, of the game, I won't buy any DLC; I won't preorder Dragon Age 3, if I even buy it, I'll buy a used copy so that you don't earn any additional money from me.
But I hardly doubt I even want to play it.
The weaknesses and flaws in DA2, the horrible ending of ME3 and the bad excuse for an MMORPG that actually is suppossed to be the continuation of KOTOR; all of this shows that BW isn't the company it was before EA bought you.
Remember Westwood, heck remember any other EA victims, that's where you are headed now BW.

Suggested changes? I suggest you not only change the ending, I suggest you change the whole self praising attitude that you present to the public and your fans.

[Huitzil]

deltaforce1098 wrote...

Garrus Was Right


" Yell loud enough and someone will eventually come over to see what the fuss is about." Garrus

We screamed for answers from Bioware. We wanted closure or new endings. They are giving us a Director's cut ending this summer. Heres to hoping it doesnt suck either.

"Not that they'll actually do anything about." Garrus

They aren't giving us what we want -- they're making the noises they think will make us stop complaining.

They say they aren't compromising their "artistic vision" (this is a lie, by the way, the vision was compromised by the development and marketing process already) and are just extending and "clarifying" the ending.

When everyone has told them the ending is UNSALVAGEABLE. It cannot be fixed. The only "clarification" t hey could add to make it make sense is "oh yeah everything involving the starchild and everything after it was indoctrination/hallucination/some other thing meaning it didn't happen". 

You cannot add mroe things after the starchild to "fix" the ending. The starchild is literally unfixable. No ending containing the starchild can be anything but godawful. And this thing about "we won't compromise our artistic vision" is a lie, you know it, and we know it, and you know we know it, why do you bother telling it?

[Holger1405]

[quote]Moirai wrote...

[quote]I was talking about player 'choices' here, not 'outcomes' which is what that page lists. Unfortunately by cropping my post, that point seems to have been lost. Unless, one wants to argue that choosing what level of EMS you finish the game with is presented as being some kind of choice system, which it isn't.[/quote]

For me it is.
Above the fact that Bioware did close about every Storyline the opened in ME1 and 2, by the Players choice btw, the added a system that make your choice in the previous Games and in ME3, influenced the ME3 ending.  Too bad that they worn it out by linking it to MP.

[quote]As I said 'all' choices (Red, Green or Blue) result in Shepard dying, a pretty explosion, Joker running away and the mass relays being destroyed.

All of that is true, with the single highly debatable exception of the deep breath scene, which is no definitive indication of Shepard's 'continued' survival, irrespective of peoples personal wants or desires. He/she was already bleeding out badly prior to making a 'choice'.

And that choice, Destroy, also destroyed the Citadel which Shepard was on.

Given the scale of the carnage they were experiencing themselves, the realistic chances of anyone else involved in the battle being in any position to be able to mount a full scale rescue attempt for one individual in the colossal twisted remains of the Citadel (ignoring how Shepard would even be able to survive that disaster in the first place) and save them before they died of massive internal injuries is effectively zero. Or should be, in any believable circumstances. Even the Normandy ran off with your 'loyal' crew on-board, so there's no help coming from them either, even though I would have expected them to be the first to attempt such a rescue.

Bleeding to death somewhere in a pile of rubble does not qualify as character survival.

And 'speculation' is not the correct way to answer such important issues. Which is where, in part, BioWare failed badly with the ending.[/quote]

Imho, the “deep breath scene“  took place in London, (no Stones in the Citadel) but of course I can’t proof that. However, you are right, it is speculation. In the end it comes down to what you belief or not belief. And so I agree, Bioware should do better, and now they have a full DLC, so they can. :-)

[quote]But anyway, we're getting way off the point and into the much travelled realms of nonsensical character behaviour and gaping illogical plot holes.

And my original point still stands. There is 'no definitive choice' presented to you where Shepard chooses not to sacrifice themselves. Therefore, the original poster suggesting that the sacrifice was by player 'choice' in some way is just plain wrong.

That was my original point.

Hopefully that's clear now.

[/quote]

You are right about the “definitive choice”, but there wasn’t a “definitive choice” that let your squad mates survive in ME2 either. It did depend on your choices through the Game, and the ME3 endings depend also on your choices, your choices in all three games.
Imho it should be so.