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[Jackal7713]

Honestly anyone that is posting in here.

BIOWARE ISN"T LISTENING.

They said it at PAX. " we are still collecting feed back."
So after 606 pages from one thread, this very thread, they don't have enough information. This is just a PR stunt to shut you up. They are going to again site artist integrity an choose what to give you. Like it or not.

Don't be their puppet for some free cut scenes.

[kalikilic]

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less offensive. That includes me.

Bioware should've been more constructive before they released Mass Effect 3 with that horrendous ending? your 99% statistic is almost as bad as the Mass Effect 3 ending. I go through the forums and I get tired of seeing people say, "well i think they should have done so and so"..."well i didnt rly like so and so." "well I thought so and so is impossible.." Us lambs have been very diplomatic. We have not only flamed on about how horrible the endings were, which is no fault of ours. But we have been providing opinions on them as well, clearly stating what we wanted to see. what we liked and disliked. I dont understand your new-founded ideal of us not being diplomatic with a situation that we submissively discuss to near-boredom length, in the hopes that Bioware reads everything we write and hears ALL our opinions. You don't know us. and you definitely did not read the forums or else you'd know not all of us asked for a showdown with a reaper. how can a fight with one reaper, win a war against thousands of reapers??? Do you work for Bioware? because not listening to us lambs is something you have in common with them.

drippy drippy

Modifié par kalikilic, 07 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[stellap20]

Thanks jeweledleah. Now that I know I wish I didnt asked.

[StillOverrated]

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Oh, great. You're back. I was absolutely not missing you and your Catalyst logic.
Most of us actually HAVE stated over and over and over and over again just WHAT was wrong with the endings. Hell, some of us even suggested how they could fix that travesty of an ending without just throwing it completely out the window. 90% of this thread IS constructive. You, just like BioWare, haven't bothered to read it.
The other 10% of the thread is you failing at trolling.

[Iconoclaste]

I think, as I wrote a few weeks ago, that it's really hard for the devs to try to put themselves in "regular" players' shoes. They know all the details, they see the game as a technical achievement, they can get frantic about numbers that mean absolutely nothing to players and stand ice cold on issues greatly affecting the players. After watching the PAX meeting on Youtube, it appeared clearly that they could never see the games from regular players' standpoint. While we can totally understand their pride and satisfaction for the work they have done, it has nothing to do with its effectiveness to please the "end users". They might as well say "Hey, what do you know about games? You don't make them, we do!"

But since the endings are so far from the rest of the games, it shows a different pattern at work. I think they are entitled to try to cover a big mistake or bad decision that was made in the end, but sticking to their guns by trying to make us believe that's all the team's work that has been criticized is just shocking for the rest of the team that had no word to say about this crucial part of the game. They are not in position to contradict their leaders, and I don't expect them to. But I'm not fooled by this, and the more I read around, the more I'm disappointed about just a few individuals.

[Thanatos144]

kalikilic wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less offensive. That includes me.

Bioware should've been more constructive before they released Mass Effect 3 with that horrendous ending? your 99% statistic is almost as bad as the Mass Effect 3 ending. I go through the forums and I get tired of seeing people say, "well i think they should have done so and so"..."well i didnt rly like so and so." "well I thought so and so is impossible.." Us lambs have been very diplomatic. We have not only flamed on about how horrible the endings were, which is no fault of ours. But we have been providing opinions on them as well, clearly stating what we wanted to see. what we liked and disliked. I dont understand your new-founded ideal of us not being diplomatic with a situation that we submissively discuss to near-boredom length, in the hopes that Bioware reads everything we write and hears ALL our opinions. You don't know us. and you definitely did not read the forums or else you'd know not all of us asked for a showdown with a reaper. how can a fight with one reaper, win a war against thousands of reapers??? Do you work for Bioware? because not listening to us lambs is something you have in common with them.

drippy drippy

No I don't work for Bioware and yes I have been reading this
thread....From the very beginning and not very few have been giving
constructive criticism instead they do what the posters right before your
did. Fact is they are not making a new ending. You don't like the
ending? that's to bad cause it was not horrible. It just left to much unanswered. in order to get those answered they will have to know what
the questions are not that as one poster put "polishing a turd". How is
that helping?

Me I would love to know who the  Keepers are and where they came from. I
was disappointed that it was not something they delved into.  there is
much in this game that was not good...actually the who first DLC was
bad. It was short and rushed and composed of step and fetch it missions.
Yet I will still play it. I don't fawn over Bioware cause truthfully
they have made things I don't like. DAO being one. I cant enjoy the game
cause the combat system sucks major. But I don't say " screw you guys
for making crappy game play I will never buy something from you again if
you don't fix it!' I just don't play the game and move on. My avatar is from that game and it is as far as I am ever going in it.

You have to deal with what you are given.

[CYRAX470]

I actually, honestly thought this thread would of helped us.

[Thanatos144]

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Oh, great. You're back. I was absolutely not missing you and your Catalyst logic.
Most of us actually HAVE stated over and over and over and over again just WHAT was wrong with the endings. Hell, some of us even suggested how they could fix that travesty of an ending without just throwing it completely out the window. 90% of this thread IS constructive. You, just like BioWare, haven't bothered to read it.
The other 10% of the thread is you failing at trolling.

So your helping is calling me a troll for saying what I think the
catalyst was? I would think I was failing at trolling seeing as I wasn't
trolling. My post is accurate about the Criticisms that are in this
thread.

[Alexander Kogan]

CYRAX470 wrote...

I actually, honestly thought this thread would of helped us.

Sorry pal, BioWare just went and pulled a capcom and said "**** it" and shat all over us, AGAIN!
<_<

[WhiteKnyght]

Alexander Kogan wrote...

CYRAX470 wrote...

I actually, honestly thought this thread would of helped us.

Sorry pal, BioWare just went and pulled a capcom and said "**** it" and shat all over us, AGAIN!
<_<

Isn't it a little early to turn your nose up and pass judgment?

Extended Cut has only been announced for like two days now. Why not wait and see before forming your opinion?

[Thanatos144]

Holy crap this is like Deja Vu.....When the announced the fist patch for the ME2 on the PS3 people where dogging it before they released it....The Grey Nayrs post reminded me of that LOL

[Iconoclaste]

Making noise is what made this free DLC come up. I think going silent will bring nothing more.

The reason they put forward not to include it in the original release is because they did not think people would demand for it so vigorously. What kind of a lame excuse is that? They poked "holes" in the story, expecting no one would see them?

[StillOverrated]

Thanatos144 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Oh, great. You're back. I was absolutely not missing you and your Catalyst logic.
Most of us actually HAVE stated over and over and over and over again just WHAT was wrong with the endings. Hell, some of us even suggested how they could fix that travesty of an ending without just throwing it completely out the window. 90% of this thread IS constructive. You, just like BioWare, haven't bothered to read it.
The other 10% of the thread is you failing at trolling.

So your helping is calling me a troll for saying what I think the
catalyst was? I would think I was failing at trolling seeing as I wasn't
trolling. My post is accurate about the Criticisms that are in this
thread.

Look, I'm done arguing with you. You're not here to play nice. You're here to tell everyone you're smarter than us because you liked an ending that was obviously put together in five minutes. 

We've pointed out the plotholes. We've pointed out how the ending goes against everything that made the game unique, we've argued how the Catalyst makes no sense and how the ending would have been much MUCH better off if the crucible was intended to be just a superweapon rather than the playground of that stupid reaperkid. Someone even did BW's work for them and came up with the Indoctrination Theory. 

You, on the other hand, post on a thread that was created to appease the furious masses and all your posts are  "the endings r awsum and ur all dum cuz u just dun get it" and when asked to further argue your point as to just WHY the endings are sooooo great and fit sooooooo well within the series' theme, you either just skip the posts or say "im nut gunna explan it to u not my fault ur an idiot". You could at least have the decency of copy+paste someone else's argument. I've seen some pretty good ones in favor of the ending. So forgive me if I think you're some ****** troll trying to be funny.

Don't bother replying to this. I'm ignoring anything you post from now on.

[Alexander Kogan]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Alexander Kogan wrote...

CYRAX470 wrote...

I actually, honestly thought this thread would of helped us.

Sorry pal, BioWare just went and pulled a capcom and said "**** it" and shat all over us, AGAIN!
<_<

Isn't it a little early to turn your nose up and pass judgment?

Extended Cut has only been announced for like two days now. Why not wait and see before forming your opinion?

Maybe, maybe not, until then I'm not holding my breath.  So far the Indoctrination Theory is the only thing that makes sense and Karpyshyn's original dark energy idea was ORIGINAL, not another over-used organic vs machine story.  Sorry If I keep bringing up the original plot by Karpyshyn but I have to get my point across one way or another.

Modifié par Alexander Kogan, 07 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Thanatos144]

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Oh, great. You're back. I was absolutely not missing you and your Catalyst logic.
Most of us actually HAVE stated over and over and over and over again just WHAT was wrong with the endings. Hell, some of us even suggested how they could fix that travesty of an ending without just throwing it completely out the window. 90% of this thread IS constructive. You, just like BioWare, haven't bothered to read it.
The other 10% of the thread is you failing at trolling.

So your helping is calling me a troll for saying what I think the
catalyst was? I would think I was failing at trolling seeing as I wasn't
trolling. My post is accurate about the Criticisms that are in this
thread.

Look, I'm done arguing with you. You're not here to play nice. You're here to tell everyone you're smarter than us because you liked an ending that was obviously put together in five minutes. 

We've pointed out the plotholes. We've pointed out how the ending goes against everything that made the game unique, we've argued how the Catalyst makes no sense and how the ending would have been much MUCH better off if the crucible was intended to be just a superweapon rather than the playground of that stupid reaperkid. Someone even did BW's work for them and came up with the Indoctrination Theory. 

You, on the other hand, post on a thread that was created to appease the furious masses and all your posts are  "the endings r awsum and ur all dum cuz u just dun get it" and when asked to further argue your point as to just WHY the endings are sooooo great and fit sooooooo well within the series' theme, you either just skip the posts or say "im nut gunna explan it to u not my fault ur an idiot". You could at least have the decency of copy+paste someone else's argument. I've seen some pretty good ones in favor of the ending. So forgive me if I think you're some ****** troll trying to be funny.

Don't bother replying to this. I'm ignoring anything you post from now on.

Thanks for proving my point.

[Cerberusx32]

I was told by a friend who had quite a bit of in site into what happened with BioWare when the game was being tested. The only ones that got to see the ending were the Quality Insurance testers and there are now job openings for those spots. Including head QI possession.

Also I have no intension of buying another BioWare game again. I hope they go bankrupt.

Also if you guys didn't hear EA won the Golden Poo award. Check it out, a previous winner is BP Oil!

Modifié par Cerberusx32, 07 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[akenn312]

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Okay, honesty I don't think you are a troll at all, but I do think it's rude for you to keep saying the fan feedback is based on entitlement and childish behavior…. to be realistic about this any of us arguing back and forth about a video game can be considered childish and you have to admit you have been a bit of the part of the infighting and name calling on here. But hopefully we can all get to a point where we discuss and it we don't regress into a bunch of troll…hater comments, like Korgan's and Salarian's. Lets try to meet on a even plain here... i'm open to it if you are. 
First to say they have not gotten enough feedback is kinda not true. They can say they don't like most of the feedback here, but they have gotten enough to know the issue with the fans complaining. Even if people have kicked around indoctrination, dark energy or deus ex machina or just hate the star child the consistent thing that has been said is that  people have a problem with the star child's motivation and his solution. That is the thing has made people react negatively to the ending. I relate him to the Architect in the Matrix trilogy. In my opinion the Catalyst basically makes people react in the same way that ruined the Matrix franchise. He pops in, tries to say you can't comprehend my plan they see all the holes in it and then hate him for his arrogance and waht the main character to say that does'nt make sense like they do. I think a lot ofpeople have already seen this plot with the Matrix and it seems played out and not fitting with this type of story. 

So I am one of the realists that understand that the Catalyst will have to stay into the story, but unlike Neo accepting the Architect's convoluted solution people want Shepard to be like Captain Kirk and reject it. You have to understand the Captian Kirk character to understand this, but that's what Bioware modeled Shepard to be like. He is the new Captain Kirk for our era. They want Shepard to challenge all this dystopian cycle solution and have a new option to find a Paragon or Renegade choice that Shepard thinks of not the Catalyst.

Now you might think this "But thats not what the writers meant to do," but just like Star Trek, Kirk always kept true to his nature and always tried to find a better solution even if things seemed dire and there was no way out. Kirk was the idealist that never quit and always kept fighting. Bioware even if it was unintentional in the first two games built Shepard in that model and the majority of people see Shepard as that same character.  

Bioware probably already knows the disappearing character stuff and the Normandy plot holes but I think if they realize that they have built this concept of Shepard even if it was not their intention that's how fans see him now. He is Kirk not Neo. And they wa tto see that character stay true to way they built him.

[akenn312]

[quote]akenn312 wrote...

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.[/quote]



Okay, honesty I don't think you are a troll at all, but I do think it's rude for you to keep saying the fan feedback is based on entitlement and childish behavior…. to be realistic about this any of us arguing back and forth about a video game can be considered childish and you have to admit you have been a bit of the part of the infighting and name calling on here. But hopefully we can all get to a point where we discuss and it we don't regress into a bunch of troll…hater comments, like Korgan's and Salarian's. Lets try to meet on a even plain here... i'm open to it if you are. 

First to say they have not gotten enough feedback is kinda not true. They can say they don't like most of the feedback here, but they have gotten enough to know the issue with the fans complaining. Even if people have kicked around indoctrination, dark energy or deus ex machina or just hate the star child the consistent thing that has been said is that  people have a problem with the star child's motivation and his solution. That is the thing has made people react negatively to the ending. I relate him to the Architect in the Matrix trilogy. In my opinion the Catalyst basically makes people react in the same way that ruined the Matrix franchise. He pops in, tries to say you can't comprehend my plan they see all the holes in it and then hate him for his arrogance and want the main character to say that does'nt make sense. I think a lot of people have already seen this plot with the Matrix and it seems played out and not fitting with this type of story. 

So I am one of the realists that understand that the Catalyst will have to stay into the story, but unlike Neo accepting the Architect's convoluted solution people want Shepard to be like Captain Kirk and reject it. You have to understand the Captian Kirk character to understand this, but that's what Bioware modeled Shepard to be like. He is the new Captain Kirk for our era. They want Shepard to challenge all this dystopian cycle solution and have a new option to find a Paragon or Renegade choice that Shepard thinks of not the Catalyst.

Now you might think this "But thats not what the writers meant to do," but just like Star Trek, Kirk always kept true to his nature and always tried to find a better solution even if things seemed dire and there was no way out. Kirk was the idealist that never quit and always kept fighting. Bioware even if it was unintentional in the first two games built Shepard in that model and the majority of people see Shepard as that same character.  

Bioware probably already knows the disappearing character stuff and the Normandy plot holes but I think if they realize that they have built this concept of Shepard even if it was not their intention that's how fans see him now. He is Kirk not Neo. And they want to see that character stay true to way they built him.

Modifié par akenn312, 07 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Cant Planet]

The words "no more ending DLC" caught my eye a moment ago and made me think.

I swear I'm not trying to reanimate a corpse here, so bear with me.

I'm sure this has probably already been noted elsewhere, but if the plan all along has been to continue Shepard's quest, from where ME3 left off, in an as-yet-unannounced Mass Effect 4 (or "3.5" or "Earth" or whatever)... then saying "no further ending DLC" would remain technically accurate. And it would make sense to use such precise phrasing in order to not show their hand early.

I refuse to get my hopes up during this period of Wisely Lowered Expectations, but when I do a sanity check of the whole situation I do find that explanation easier to believe than the one saying the entire creative team had a collectively-shared blind spot that allowed them to produce this current ending and believe it was meaningfully complete as-is.

[Thanatos144]

akenn312 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

so tired of the whining. 606 pages of the same 50 people saying the same thing.......You guys want to be useful? How about give them idea to explain the shortfalls in the ending cause ladies and gentlemen your not getting a new one. It is what I have been doing and of course I get called a troll for daring to submit my thinking on it. It is time to be ether part of the solution and not part of the problem.

They said they haven't gotten enough feedback....That's dang true cause all they get is "You lie" "the ending sucked" "It makes no sense" "It doesn't follow the story" that I am betting is really offensive to them seeing as it is their story to begin with. "The star child sucks" Mostly cause you all wanted a big showdown with a reaper.....No one is to say there wont be a DLC that has Shepard killing Harbinger before taking on the Illusive man. " I want blue babies" "this isnt what Shepard would do!" Again must be offensive seeing as it is their story. " They blew up the relays!!!!!" Only reasonable question about that is how it didn't destroy the galaxy.

That's what is 99% of this thread. None of which is constructive or helpful. Given for most of it you all were trying to get them to make a new ending but when you found out they are not doing it instead you threw a bigger fit. You started getting more and more offensive to Bioware. Again not constructive and not helping. Sure as hell not making you argument worth listening to. No one wants to listen a person who calls you a liar and a idiot.

Maybe we can be more constructive and less  offensive. That includes me.

Okay, honesty I don't think you are a troll at all, but I do think it's rude for you to keep saying the fan feedback is based on entitlement and childish behavior…. to be realistic about this any of us arguing back and forth about a video game can be considered childish and you have to admit you have been a bit of the part of the infighting and name calling on here. But hopefully we can all get to a point where we discuss and it we don't regress into a bunch of troll…hater comments, like Korgan's and Salarian's. Lets try to meet on a even plain here... i'm open to it if you are. 
First to say they have not gotten enough feedback is kinda not true. They can say they don't like most of the feedback here, but they have gotten enough to know the issue with the fans complaining. Even if people have kicked around indoctrination, dark energy or deus ex machina or just hate the star child the consistent thing that has been said is that  people have a problem with the star child's motivation and his solution. That is the thing has made people react negatively to the ending. I relate him to the Architect in the Matrix trilogy. In my opinion the Catalyst basically makes people react in the same way that ruined the Matrix franchise. He pops in, tries to say you can't comprehend my plan they see all the holes in it and then hate him for his arrogance and waht the main character to say that does'nt make sense like they do. I think a lot ofpeople have already seen this plot with the Matrix and it seems played out and not fitting with this type of story. 

So I am one of the realists that understand that the Catalyst will have to stay into the story, but unlike Neo accepting the Architect's convoluted solution people want Shepard to be like Captain Kirk and reject it. You have to understand the Captian Kirk character to understand this, but that's what Bioware modeled Shepard to be like. He is the new Captain Kirk for our era. They want Shepard to challenge all this dystopian cycle solution and have a new option to find a Paragon or Renegade choice that Shepard thinks of not the Catalyst.

Now you might think this "But thats not what the writers meant to do," but just like Star Trek, Kirk always kept true to his nature and always tried to find a better solution even if things seemed dire and there was no way out. Kirk was the idealist that never quit and always kept fighting. Bioware even if it was unintentional in the first two games built Shepard in that model and the majority of people see Shepard as that same character.  

Bioware probably already knows the disappearing character stuff and the Normandy plot holes but I think if they realize that they have built this concept of Shepard even if it was not their intention that's how fans see him now. He is Kirk not Neo. And they wa tto see that character stay true to way they built him.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the architect LOL I didn't want to be the only  to notice this obvious nod.
Now they didn't say there wouldn't be new conversation option for the
catalyst but for sh**s and giggles lets say they did put a go F**k
yourself option in............what if that leads to failure? Cause in
truth that's what I would do. Shepard isn't Neo and she (yes I mostly use a
female)  cant even dance let alone take on a machine race with kung fu. I
think they need to just maybe be more informative with it. Give a more in depth explanation as to why these are the choices. they need to give
her a reason to choose one of the three. That I grant.

[killnoob]

Bioware, you know what? people don't like the current endings because the logic behind them does not work. For instance, the Catalyst's idea about "harvesting organics in order to prevent synthetics from wiping out organics", why not just destroy synthetics when they pose threat to organics? or control/re-write the the mindset  of yhr synthetics race that endanger organics? Let us take a look another example, the synthesis ending, shall we?. I know the catalyst does look like a 10 years old kid, but do you have to give it child-like logic/intelligence as well? He argued that merging synthetic and organic into a new form of life will stop them from killing one and other. Seriously, really? ****** sapiens kill ****** sapiens all the time and Turians have unification wars. It is rather silly to even to argue that the ultimate peace can be achieved by making everyone the same.

If this kind of silliness is what you called " Artistic Vision", then I am truly disappointed, is this the same company that gave us Dragon Age Origins?

you need to realise that, fans are upset because Mass effect 3 is the last title in the series. This may well be the last time we ever get to play our own Shepard; you have created a world and characters that are loved by millions. We don't want to say good bye to our beloved characters and the amazing world of Mass effect 3 in the way that is limited by the current endings we have.

Why it is so hard for you guys to give us an alternative ending? why it is so hard to give us more options? The solution you gave us, the Extension Cut cannot be called a "balanced compromise",
because you have yet to make any compromise at all. A balanced compromise would be keeping the original endings you have made, and provide fans with the alternative ending(s) they want. How is giving fans more options to choose from compromises artistic integrity in anyway? in fact I find it more like "Artistic Stubbornness".

Bioware has stated many times that they listen to the fans; Casey Hudson went as far as calling us the 'co-creator" of the Mass effect series. Put those words into real action please, talk is cheap. Don't let " Artistic Vision or Integrity" alienate yourself from the fans.

Modifié par killnoob, 07 avril 2012 - 06:35 .

[Huitzil]

People find it difficult to articulate what exactly was wrong with the ending for the game for the same reason they find it difficult to articulate what, exactly, is "round" about a sphere.

It's so complete and fundamental that when someone asks you the question you have no idea where to even start.

[Thanatos144]

killnoob wrote...

Bioware, you know what? people don't like the current endings because the logic behind them does not work. For instance, the Catalyst's idea about "harvesting organics in order to prevent synthetics from wiping out organics", why not just destroy synthetics when they pose threat to organics? or control/re-write the the mindset  of yhr synthetics race that endanger organics? Let us take a look another example, the synthesis ending, shall we?. I know the catalyst does look like a 10 years old kid, but do you have to give it child-like logic/intelligence as well? He argued that merging synthetic and organic into a new form of life will stop them from killing one and other. Seriously, really? ****** sapiens kill ****** sapiens all the time and Turians have unification wars. It is rather silly to even to argue that the ultimate peace can be achieved by making everyone the same.

If this kind of silliness is what you called " Artistic Vision", then I am truly disappointed, is this the same company that gave us Dragon Age Origins?

you need to realise that, fans are upset because Mass effect 3 is the last title in the series. This may well be the last time we ever get to play our own Shepard; you have created a world and characters that are loved by millions. We don't want to say good bye to our beloved characters and the amazing world of Mass effect 3 in the way that is limited by the current endings we have.

Why it is so hard for you guys to give us an alternative ending? why it is so hard to give us more options? The solution you gave us, the Extension Cut cannot be called a "balanced compromise",
because you have yet to make any compromise at all. A balanced compromise would be keeping the original endings you have made, and provide fans with the alternative ending(s) they want. How is giving fans more options to choose from compromises artistic integrity in anyway? in fact I find it more like "Artistic Stubbornness".

Bioware has stated many times that they listen to the fans; Casey Hudson went as far as calling us the 'co-creator" of the Mass effect series. Put those words into real action please, talk is cheap. Don't let " Artistic Vision or Integrity" alienate yourself from the fans.

If it was Organics that were in the synthetics spot would they kill all
organics to save synthetics? You asking for them to kill themselves to save organics that start the wars to begin with.

[akenn312]

Double post sorry

Modifié par akenn312, 07 avril 2012 - 07:13 .

[akenn312]

Thanatos144 wrote...

 I was waiting for someone to bring up the architect LOL I didn't want to be the only  to notice this obvious nod.
Now they didn't say there wouldn't be new conversation option for the
catalyst but for sh**s and giggles lets say they did put a go F**k
yourself option in............what if that leads to failure? Cause in
truth that's what I would do. Shepard isn't Neo and she (yes I mostly use a
female)  cant even dance let alone take on a machine race with kung fu. I
think they need to just maybe be more informative with it. Give a more in depth explanation as to why these are the choices. they need to give
her a reason to choose one of the three. That I grant.

Yes sir Catalyst is very Architect and I have no idea why they would try that route because it worked so well for the Matrix series. LOL but unfortunately thats how he comes across. Now I do think you are right in some parts that most of the motivation is people want Shepard to survive, but that is what you would expect from a character model like Shepard/Kirk. Even if this looks like everything would fail and the three choices are the only ones. Kirk would say Kobiashi Maru it my whole motivation is to find another way, he will find whatever way he can to get out of this even if it's not the logical three solutions. Neo says..uhhhh So I have to make these uhhh three choice things? Total Bummer! Okay Morpheus i'll do it that's my fate.

I think even if the third option was a failing thrust against the Reapers that would be better for the Shepard model rather than Shepard just accepting the Star Childs new solution as is. Again it's Shepard suddenly becoming Neo and it's out of character. 

Also when you make a character in the mold of Kirk, it's just known that Kirk would never play god and make choices like synergy that widely impact the hole universe. For an example Kirk would be given all three options, get every bit of info then he would pretend to go up and make one of the three choices and then find a way to sabotage the space magic machine so the Star Child would be deactivated or die trying but give people the right to decide and have the chance for themselves to decide their fate. Kirk would never choose to change everyones DNA. That's just what we would expect from Kirk and Shepard. 

They find abstract ways to make solutions but to a certain extent they never play god even when given an impossible choice.

Modifié par akenn312, 07 avril 2012 - 07:30 .