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[Archonsg]

Daap wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Daap wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you don't like the ending and don't think the extended cut is worth it then stop playing the game. The rest of us will wait to see if it approves the game.





All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

You truly do not understand good sir , its not about shepard dying, its about space magic and things that dont make sense.

The same kind of space magic that brings Shepard back from the dead after being burnt up in atmosphere?

Cerberus rebuilt you as explaned in ME2 , i meant space magic as how can my team mates be on the normandy when they crash landed when just minutes ago we where on earth , because its space magic !

Space magic where, an unprotected human body can survive space (+/- 260 degrees celcius temperature differences) http://www.nasa.gov/..._of_Space.pdf ] Temperature exposure in space [/url] just being exposed without protection, survive re-entry into Earth's atmosphere (oxygen present hence you are likely to burn on rentry) and then terminal velocity and impact onto rubble.

Not to mention the Citadel was in high Orbit. Usually objects in high orbit don't just degrade and "fall into" orbital re-entry just like that. Heck, our comms satelites aren't in high orbit and they stay up there quite a bit.  

Now THAT's space magic.

Modifié par Archonsg, 07 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[rrtda]

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you don't like the ending and don't think the extended cut is worth it then stop playing the game. The rest of us will wait to see if it approves the game.





All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

I dont really care if he died they have huge plot holes they told us no A B C endings and they gave us that sheaperd could have died in one of 16 endings or all of them i would like the ending that is personalized

[Caprea]

Thanatos144 wrote...
All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

<rant>
I kinda have the feeling I'm kicking a dead horse by saying this... but ah well.
The huge outcry that went through the fandom is not caused by Shepard's death, it is caused by the utter lack of logic, plotholes and contradictions to Mass Effect lore and themes that have been present through all three games, save for the last, say, 15 minutes.
Fans are outraged because they have spent a lot of time building their character(s), exploring the ME universe and coming to care about the story and the characters and all they get is an A1/A2/A3 ending which defies pretty much everything ME has been standing for, which is completely out of context and doesn't even make the least bit of sense. Apart from that, it renders your previous efforts to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy useless as well as Shepard him-/herself because that stupid god child AI pops out of nowhere and is suddenly in charge, presenting three goddamn options to you that you are forced to choose from instead of telling the AI to get lost or throwing that little bastard out the next airlock.
This article sums up the flaws the ending suffered from pretty well. Read it. I dare you.
www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right

What's more is that BioWare promised up to 16 different endings, all dependent on the player's choices not only throughout ME3, but also throughout the entire series. They purposefully stirred their fans expectations. So fans paid for that kind of ending, but in the end, they didn't get what they were promised and ultimately paid for. If you didn't pay for what BioWare promised their fans in the first place, good for you. If you don't feel disappointed due to purposefully stirred expectations, good for you. If you thus don't feel pulled over the barrel, good for you. But other fans paid for what was promised to them, they paid for BioWare to bring the ME saga to a decent closure, which they failed at in the eyes of the majority of players. And therefore, fans are angry. Not because they didn't get their "happily ever after" ending with rainbows and butterflies. If you continue thinking that, well, then I guess you continue missing our point. On purpose or not, I cannot say.
If BioWare ended up promising too much and not being able to handle all the different endings, I can accept that, hell I'd even understand it for I can imagine this to be a hell of a lot of work. But then they should have the decency to admit that they screwed it up, take the goddamn baton for this mess and get it straight instead of stubbornly hiding behind their "artistic integrity" wall. The fans should not be the ones taking the rap for BioWare's mistakes.

We'll see how things turn out with the coming DLC. I don't know how they're going to fill the massive plotholes, fix the contradictions in ME lore and wave in more of the player's choices throughout all three games, but we'll see in summer. Even though stupid star child won't be kicked out the airlock, I still hope the Extended Cut provides at least all the answers to the questions the current ending raised, as well as proper closure to an otherwise stellar trilogy.

A proper ending that makes sense, that's what fans want to see, and hell, they've given BioWare the chance to put things right with their massive protest. Please, BioWare. Don't screw it up a second time.
</rant>

Modifié par dea_ex_machina, 07 avril 2012 - 04:41 .

[darkway1]

improperdancing wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I think we are on the same wave lengh but I think Bioware is still as strong as ever,if you take Mass2 and Dragon age 2 and add all the DLC to those games,then your looking at some real soild games,very different to the versions you buy in the shop......(how can you release Mass2 with out Liara????).
For me EA has implemented a time is money business plan (no different to any company) but sadly games are simply being released before they are truly finished,DLC seems to be the new means to finish games as intended and from a business point of view generates more income.
So for me Mass3 is simply not finished as intended,Bioware will continue to add content just like every other game.
The ending for most Mass fans is a big deal,if Bioware could not do the end justice then why not just put Mass Effect3 part 1.........continue with another game, part2 and end the franchice in style.......instead they just slap an ending in there because it needs one.SAD.

See, the problem I have with that is that DLC (especially paid DLC) should not be required to make a game "real solid."  If you have to charge people ten bucks a pop for multiple DLC adventures for your game to be solid, you failed to make the game solid to begin with.  I don't know about you, but I pay sixty to eighty bucks for most of these games, and if they aren't solid at release, the company that released them sh*t the bed.

I'm okay with multi-player games adding value and playing time via DLC (particularly free DLC).  Team Fortress 2 has been doing that for five years now and it's still my favorite online game.  But for single-player games, the game needs to be complete out of the box.  DLC should be used as a means to add value, not make the experience complete.

Again I agree,the game industry is going down the DLC path in a big way and as long as people pay for it then the trend will continue I guess.Bioware games are a little different though,they are big and have depth,most games won't entertain the idea of a scene about characters having a chat about childhood past events,but those little chats give characters depth and that's why we love Bioware characters,time is spent getting to know them.........the dwarf in Dragon age 2 for example is the coolest dwarf I have ever come across.EVER.

All of this costs money and time,so I guess that the time to produce a Bioware game as intended (compleate) would take to long and cost to much......also note that DLC promotes the game long after the origional release.

So,yeah,I'm happy for some one like Bioware to go down the DLC road if what they release has worth to the game...........now if you want to talk DLC and Capcom,now that's a very different story.

[Stvr46]

chazfu wrote...

Stvr46 wrote...

The game was amazing, and the story eas brilliant as in  all bioware games.
I have to admit, though, that once i finished it i got why there were so many negative comments about the endings.

I mean you HAVE to play multiplayer if you want Shepard to survive, no matter what you have done in the singleplayer game. And even if you do that you can either kill Shepard or the Geth AND EDI. I reallize that you wanted to make it all about tough choises, but in Mass Effect 2 we were given the chance to save everybody (crew and squad) depending on the choises we made earlier in the game.

What i saw in ME3 made me feel like i was wasting my time trying to build a massive force and do every thing else right. And also in the cutscene after the end titles it is implied that space travel was lost after the relays' destruction. People built the crusible, they had many years to study the relays, the citadel, the reapers, other races' tech etc. And they just never could create a way to travel in the galaxy??? Seems a bit odd.

Finally before someone says that things do not always work out in real life, i would like to remind everybody that the fact that games are different than reallity is what makes them appealing.

I noticed that the destruction ending is the only one that can produce the extra scene of Shep taking a breath. Star Child mentions that this choice will kill Shep since he is partially synthetic. But there Shep is taking in a deep breath after picking that solution. That tells me Star Kid was BS'ing to keep Shep from picking that solution, and if he lied about Shep dying, then he could be lying about the Geth and EDI dying too.

You could be right. This also fits the indoctrination scenario (the citatel part is in Shep's mind and it is an iner conflict etc.), ehich i found kind of nice. But this is the only ending in which EDI is not seen coming out of the crushed Normandy.
There is a need for closure (rest of crew, love interest, what happens with all the other races fighting beside the humans etc.) and i hope the DLC coming this summer will do that.

One more thing: If all the relays are destroyed (in all possible endings) how the hell do the other races (turian, krogan, salarian etc.) go back to their home worlds?

[garytwine]

Lol touché Archonsg! Very well postulated.

[Archonsg]

garytwine wrote...

Lol touché Archonsg! Very well postulated.

Ahh, I'll take that to mean that I asserted the truth. Thanks. 

Well, "truth" as accurate and as gathered from the Codex and in game as well as anyone with enough reasoning and education to actually look things up. 

Hard not to keep having foot in one's mouth otherwise.

Modifié par Archonsg, 07 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[hwf]

The issue with Mass Effect 3 is very simple.

People bought an entertainment product. For many of these customers the product had an aspect to it that not only ruined the entertainment of the product itself but the two other products in the same line as well.
No excuse or reason can wave this issue away: You are in the business of providing entertainment and if your customers tell you you have failed at that, then you have.

For me the problem with ME3's ending was the following:
- Deus Ex Machina appearing in the last two minutes of interactive gameplay.
- The gameplay in these last two minutes were not in the style of the entire Mass Effect product line experience we've had up to that point.
- One of the resolutions, Synthesis, defies suspension of disbelief and this is referred to as "space magic" by the fans.

I would like to remind you that an industry leader in your branche, Blizzard, has publicly ridiculed the ending of ME3 that you hold so dear.
The Gamefront article "Mass Effect 3 - Ending Hatred: 5 Reasons the Fans are Right" explains the issues very well and in great detail.

The only way I could cope with the ending in ME3 was the Indoctrination Theory.
It essentially washes away the filth and creates an opportunity for redemption; it also allows for the current endings to remain in place and be extended ("clarified" is your preferred term) in a multitude of satisfactory ways!
I don't care if this angle is considered undesirable by management or the creative team - that is your problem, not ours.

While at first I held hope for something amazing being in the pipeline by design, mostly due to what turned out to be lies spread before release of the game, yet since the release you have been dismissive about the ending issue on all levels of your business.
The PAX East panel confirmed that you utterly dropped the ball when it came to the climax of your product.
So far, and that includes communiques as recent as all of PAX East, you essentially confirm that you are ignoring the issue altogether!

You have only one chance to correct the mistake you made, do not screw it up.

[garytwine]

Archonsg wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Lol touché Archonsg! Very well postulated.

Ahh, I'll take that to mean that I asserted the truth. Well, truth as far as the the info we have from the Codex and in game as well as anyone with enough reasoning and education to actually look things up. 

Hard not to keep having foot in one's mouth otherwise.

Lol, totally. I think gravity, atmospheric pressure, atmospheric depth and speed are key elements. Not to mention that Shepard's suit, which is meant for EVA's and heavily armoured would likely help keep his/her body intact to some degree.

Unprotected satellites with 3mm aluminium thick skins can survive re-entry into Earth's atmosphere. In fact thefrequently do. So yeah, thin atmosphere, low gravity and low mass planet would make re-entry a lot easier.

Modifié par garytwine, 07 avril 2012 - 04:36 .

[vanl0075]

I loved ME3, It was a great game, an emotional rollercoaster, which caused pause when making decisions, and even fear starting certain missions. I just never knew who would be coming back with me.  But there were somethings that I didn't like, most of which was concentrated at the endings. It just reminded me so much of the Star Wars prequels, it was supposed be set in the same universe, but it didn't mesh up, it just didn't feel right. And you mights say that 5 mintues can't ruin a game, but they can if its the last five minutes and if they try and pull a St Elsewhere stunt, which is exactly what happened with ME3.

The nice thing about choices in ME and ME2 wher they kept popping up in ME3, they had effects on the war with the reapers (in war assents and what not) . It helped shape the story and how galactic society was shaping up. It also meant that characters sacrafices and your choices meant something. And I really liked that.  The final choices weren't my favorite, but they had an element I liked, and that the ME series has come to deliever. There was no obvious correct answer, and all had consquences that sucked,  but that is life and those are the hard choices they always are asking you to make.  So that was fine, but the outcomes didn't make sense, and were all the same, so what was the point of replaying my other Shepards to see the exact same ending?

So here are my complaints

1. What is up with the Reapers? they never really explain anything about them.  So this is what I am forced to assume. Harbringer was the first Reaper created, some time early on some organics created synthetics and they fought and raged across the galaxy, destroying everything, most notably life.  Finally they decided to combine into a new entity that is both machine and organic the reaper (only way to stop conflict).  They are now Harbringer.  They watch the rest of the galaxy mature, and they see that this cycle is repeating, so they end it by assemilate the new races into the Reaper collective.  So they leave a vangaurd behind, and if things progress as they usually do they interfer and stop the madness.  In doing this maybe they prevent a war from destorying the galaxy, and each time maybe they are looking for a way to end this struggle between organics and synthetics.  (And if this is true which I doubt that means the synthesis option is the same what the reapers wanted to happen all along).

2. With every story there are lots of unanswered questions, and some story lines that don't get nicely wrapped up, bu one that kind of always bothered me was Haelstrom, since it was such a big deal in ME2, it was the quarians wre looking into and why Tali couldn't be with you right away, but this big deal, was just swept under the table.

3.Choices I made in ME3 are irrelevant. I loved seeing how my choices played out from ME and ME2. But there were only 3 poorly canned endings, in which all of the things leading up to that point had no purpose.  Such as was the genophage cured? What about the mourning (geth/quarian) war, is it over? Are the Rachni still around? What becomes of Aria and Omega? how do these issues that you solved (or didn't solve) affect the evolution of galactic society? Personally I don't care what happens 20,000 years in the future (ala A.I) when Star Gazer is talking to a little boy. I care about what happens now with my squadmates and the more immediate future. Sucha s now that the reaper threat is gone, does Wrex/the krogans attempt to conquer the galaxy? or do they endter the renaissance that Wrex promised you.  Would Eve surviving helped with the renaissance, and her death plunge the krogan into civil war? What about the Rachni? was the queen ever sincere, or was she just playing Shepard for a fool and only protecting her own intersts ( I mean twice she is on the bad guy's side, and you 'rescue her' or maybe you actually do rescue her) do they also try and reconquer the galaxy? Now that they geth and quarians are best buds again (or still at war)  how does that work out? will they eventually turn on one another again? Or will they live in peace? How will the council react to udina's betrayal? will relations between the council species strengthen or weaken? what will the council races and the batarians new relationship fold into? These are just some of the large issues that choices you made in ME-ME3 were leading up to, but you never find out about. These were just big picture items, but what about my squadmates, and Shepard. Does s/he die saving the galaxy from reapers, does shepard stay in the alliance, does shepard retire, and what becomes of the rest of your team? All these people I have come to care about never get their endings, they only get instantly erased from existance as we jump 20,000 years into the future to witness the end of the game.

4. The final scene of joker speeing through a mass relay, and the destruction of the mass relays make no sense.  First off I dont' understand why the Normandy is racing through a mass relay. Why would Joker run away from the battle. It is a battle for civilization, it is their last best chance to survive, and save the galaxy/  Why would they abandon Shepard and the combined fleet? It is very out of character (didn't ME2 show they would follow shepard to hell and back).  Its not like Joker knew the relays were going to explode. And if the destruction of the relays only kept you cut off from the other relays, why the urgent desire for escape? Also the Charon relay would be the first to explode, so he wouldn't know that was to happen until after the Charon relay was gone, and by that time it would be too late for him to make the jump, so he'd have to be doing that before the destruction of the relays was initiated.  Not only that, but relays only connect you to certain relays and you jump there almost instantaneously. So there would be no outracing an explosion scene.  How did you squad get on the Normandy, they were on Earth with you fighting the reapers and trying to activate the Crucible. Did they all of a sudden get transporter technology 9ala Star Trek?).

5. Why blow up the mass relays? didn't arrival show us that an exploding mass relay releases so much energy that it obliterates the entire solar system? I mean releasing enough energy to instantaneously transport massive ships from one end of the galaxy to the other, no matter how you cut it, would relase a ton of energy (more energy than a sun puts out) if you removed its control mechanism. So deestroying all the mass relays would have some serious destructive repercussions.  This mass relay destruction creates 2 huge problems for me.  First the entire combined fleet is now stranded on or near Earth. Ture all ships have FTL drives, but going super far distances such as between 2 relays takes more time than a lifetime, which is why people use the relays.  And now that you finally got the quarian homeworld back you just stranded their entire fleet, and a majority of there population (if not their entire population) at Earth, and they never will see their homeworld again (good thing we just got it back).  This totally nullifys the point of returning it to them, just moments ago. The other problem is, did you just kill the entire fleet, and possibly most of the galaxy? The destruction of a mass relay being devistating explains why Joker is fleeing Earth, because he knows their destruction will wipe out the solar system.  And on the upside at least the qurians aren't stranded anymore they are just dead. However there is another problem, once Joker makes the jump he ends up at another Mass Relay, and it is just going to explode once he arrives there anyways.  So running away really doesn't really solve the problem of dying via an exploding relay, it just delays it.

Modifié par vanl0075, 07 avril 2012 - 05:37 .

[Virgil_Harris]

You know what's worse than a bad ending? An extended cut of a bad ending ha ha.... I just made myself feel sad.

[epicalus]

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you don't like the ending and don't think the extended cut is worth it then stop playing the game. The rest of us will wait to see if it approves the game.





All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

okay here we go again . for me and most ppl here its NOT about sheppard dying that bothers us .
its the whole choice ending .
what bothers me the MOST is that .
i've build a paragon throughout the games .
and in the end Bioware demands that sheppard becomes a DICTATOR
becausse sheppard choice is forced on the entire galaxy . wich is more or less something a renegade would do .
if that renegade wanted to achieve something DARK
as a paragon these choices are not even choices. a paragon does not DICTATE what happens next .
a paragon stands for freedom . and freedom is exactly what the reapers take away from every species that they harvest . the freedom to exist the way they want to .

also this is pretty much what the endings mean IF the galaxy survives the whole event.

control . if a paragon takes control of the reapers . he/she will eventually if the synthetic organics wars do start up again . have to ones again DICTATE the future of those species and synthetics . taking away freedom.

synthesis . as a paragon DICTATING that the only life that should exist past this point must be a mix of synthetics and organics . again DICTATING .

destroy . this also goes against a paragon player. 
becausse you have to DICTATE the future of the reapers , geth and edi .
destroying the reapers sure that was the goal of the whole series. but they still have the right to exist .
but to DICTATE that the geth and edi have to die .
is also not a paragon option .

this is exactly the opposite of the moral bounds of a paragon .
yes i've posted allot of feedback all different , well this is my moral feedback . 
the ending takes away your whole morality.

[Thanatos144]

Archonsg wrote...

Daap wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Daap wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you don't like the ending and don't think the extended cut is worth it then stop playing the game. The rest of us will wait to see if it approves the game.





All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

You truly do not understand good sir , its not about shepard dying, its about space magic and things that dont make sense.

The same kind of space magic that brings Shepard back from the dead after being burnt up in atmosphere?

Cerberus rebuilt you as explaned in ME2 , i meant space magic as how can my team mates be on the normandy when they crash landed when just minutes ago we where on earth , because its space magic !

Space magic where, an unprotected human body can survive space (+/- 260 degrees celcius temperature differences) http://www.nasa.gov/..._of_Space.pdf ] Temperature exposure in space [/url] just being exposed without protection, survive re-entry into Earth's atmosphere (oxygen present hence you are likely to burn on rentry) and then terminal velocity and impact onto rubble.

Not to mention the Citadel was in high Orbit. Usually objects in high orbit don't just degrade and "fall into" orbital re-entry just like that. Heck, our comms satelites aren't in high orbit and they stay up there quite a bit.  

Now THAT's space magic.

A human body cannot and will not survive entering atmosphere.....Dont try to blow smoke up my butt and tell me it is sunshine....

Modifié par Thanatos144, 07 avril 2012 - 05:07 .

[Thanatos144]

StillOverrated wrote...

kalikilic wrote...

LOLOL

Not very few have been giving constructive criticism???? So you're telling me, that you do read the forum, but missed everything that people were debating and discussing? Okay, I can understand how someone like YOU would miss. Because in the same breath you're telling me, that it only matters that You think the ending is not horrible. It doesnt matter if thousands more consider the ending an injustice to the game. Time and again i have told you that many posters here have asked hundreds of questions about the endings; it's how we have all uncovered the massive plotholes of the endings. But your ignorance is sooo reminiscent of Bioware; your lying capabilities as well. What was promised to us lambs, was not given to us lambs. if you read the thread you'd see that we have already passed over direct evidence which shows how we have been lied to. That topic has already been beaten to a pulp so do it on your own time. It's okay if you don't want to "fawn" over bioware. We don't want to either. But over the years, we've come to expect a certain standard from them, given their once-upon-a-time genuine concern for fans and our ideas we would like to get what we paid for. You can go ahead and roll over for bioware. I won't. not even if they have already said that no new endings will be made. Work with what we've be given? i'd do that of course, but only if i got what i paid for. If your idea of diplomacy in this situation is playing pet with Bioware, by all means. go ahead. Here's what. ppl have claimed that "you're back again" so maybe you've returned a little too soon. i'd advise that you take some time off, educate yourself a bit. do some reading and stuff. then come back again. because you sir, are failing as hard as Bioware is right now.

I don't know if you don't understand the scale of the situation, or if you just don't want to.  but bioware is listening to none of us rite now. if you think that they are listening to you. well, at least they will have a remaining market to sell to in the future; you and ppl just like you.

Dude. Just ignore him. Thanathos is like Capcom: He's done so much damage to himself via petty insults and ignoring anything that doesnt suit HIS side of the argument that everything with his name attached to it is just not worth a second glance, much less your time. At this point we're just feeding the troll.

Yes be like him and just ignore any outside thought cause life is so much easier when everyone agrees with you ........

[Thanatos144]

epicalus wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

If you don't like the ending and don't think the extended cut is worth it then stop playing the game. The rest of us will wait to see if it approves the game.





All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

okay here we go again . for me and most ppl here its NOT about sheppard dying that bothers us .
its the whole choice ending .
what bothers me the MOST is that .
i've build a paragon throughout the games .
and in the end Bioware demands that sheppard becomes a DICTATOR
becausse sheppard choice is forced on the entire galaxy . wich is more or less something a renegade would do .
if that renegade wanted to achieve something DARK
as a paragon these choices are not even choices. a paragon does not DICTATE what happens next .
a paragon stands for freedom . and freedom is exactly what the reapers take away from every species that they harvest . the freedom to exist the way they want to .

also this is pretty much what the endings mean IF the galaxy survives the whole event.

control . if a paragon takes control of the reapers . he/she will eventually if the synthetic organics wars do start up again . have to ones again DICTATE the future of those species and synthetics . taking away freedom.

synthesis . as a paragon DICTATING that the only life that should exist past this point must be a mix of synthetics and organics . again DICTATING .

destroy . this also goes against a paragon player. 
becausse you have to DICTATE the future of the reapers , geth and edi .
destroying the reapers sure that was the goal of the whole series. but they still have the right to exist .
but to DICTATE that the geth and edi have to die .
is also not a paragon option .

this is exactly the opposite of the moral bounds of a paragon .
yes i've posted allot of feedback all different , well this is my moral feedback . 
the ending takes away your whole morality.

No they don't....What a load of crap. At the end in order to save the
galaxy Shepard is giving three choices to do it. She isn't a dictator she
is a hero. I guess you think she should have just sat on her butt and
let all fall huh?

Modifié par Thanatos144, 07 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[luci90]

 Looks like the troll is back.

[Lavans6879]

http://social.biowar.../index/11028404

What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No.

Seems that BioWare isn't listening to us after all.

It was fun while it lasted. I guess it's time to put Mass Effect to bed.

[garytwine]

luci90 wrote...

 Looks like the troll is back.

Just remember this phrase:

"If a troll speaks in a forum and everyone is ignoring him, does he still make a noise?"

/ignorehim

Modifié par garytwine, 07 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[Thanatos144]

luci90 wrote...

 Looks like the troll is back.

Glad to see agin you grace us with your lack of substance.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 07 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Thanatos144]

garytwine wrote...

luci90 wrote...

 Looks like the troll is back.

Just remember this phrase:

"If a troll speaks[/i] in a forum and everyone is ignoring him, does he still make a noise?"

/ignorehim

You seem to make a lot of noise so I guess the answer is yes.

[StillOverrated]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Yes be like him and just ignore any outside thought cause life is so much easier when everyone agrees with you ........

Okay. One: Her, not him. Last time I checked, I don't posess testicles, not do I intend to acquire any testicles anytime soon. I'm actually offended you'd suggest I belong in the same gender as you. Okay, that was a joke, but come on! It says 'female' in my profile! Do your research!

Two: You want a civilized discussion; fine. Go ahead. I'll let you start: Tell me what in the game's ending works. Don't just glance over the post and ****** at the fact that someone replied. Tell me exactly why you think the endings fit so well within the theme of the game. Tell me why the endings DON'T go against everything that was established during the previous games, ESPECIALLY after the introduction of Legion and EDI.
2.1: Don't give me that "lol self-sacrifice makes the story deep" bull****. It doesn't. And even if it did, what Shepard did wasn't self-sacrifice. Mordin sacrificed himself for the greater good. Thane's death was a good sacrifice. Those deaths I understand. Shepard's was pointless. I'd have no problem with Shepard dying in the end if his death had meant something other than "Yeah. You're gonna be a war criminal. Good thing you're dying, anyway."
2.2: Don't try to feed me the "self-sacrifice has always been an underlying theme in the Mass Effect series" bull**** BioWare has been trying to feed us, either. It wasn't. If anything, intentionally or otherwise, especially ater Legion and EDI, the underlying theme of the series is freedom of choice. If they had introduced the "synthetics will always rebel against organics" plot right after or during the first game rather than just shoehorning it in on the last fifteen minutes of the game, I wouldn't be complaining about it. I'm pretty sure a whole lot less people wouldn't, either.
2.3: If you have any ideas as to how the game would be improved while keeping the Catalyst, they're welcomed. You just have to, you know, LET US KNOW ABOUT YOUR IDEA. Last time I checked, no one here can read minds.

Three: ARGUE YOUR POINT. So far all the argument you've given us is calling us entitled, whiny and stupid for thinking the ending is bad. That is not an argument, and this is why people call you a troll.

Ignore this and we'll know for sure you ARE a troll.

[garytwine]

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

[StillOverrated]

garytwine wrote...

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

Oh, don't worry, I've broken my cardinal rule and given this bestia descomunal a chance to argue his point. He'll be back soon enough. Maybe he'll take my other advice and at the very least steal someone elses' defense of the ending for a change.

[Dave Hoffman]

It's science fiction... it's ALL space magic

I had an interesting thought, though. What if ME1 ended where ME2 started? With the Normandy being destroyed, Shepard presumably dying, and no idea what happened with anybody else from the crew. Fade to black, credits roll.

With no confirmation that there would be a sequel, would there be outrage? Probably? It would at least confuse some as to why they'd end a game that way.

I draw the comparison because If I knew that there would be an ME4, I probably wouldn't even be annoyed by the ending of ME3. I'd know that those events would set up the next installment that would explain everything.

Perhaps everyone was lured into the Sol system by design of a more sinister threat... the Protheans!!! It was all a clever ruse! The Charon relay gets destroyed, everyone is stranded, the rest of the galaxy is vulnerable. There's hope, however, since the Normandy and some crew escaped the trap. But what of Shepard? How can they.....

No need to go on. Like I said, if there was an ME4, everything would be all better and the ending that made no sense would end up making lots of sense.

[Jared Shepard]

"destroy . this also goes against a paragon player. 
becausse you have to DICTATE the future of the reapers , geth and edi .
destroying the reapers sure that was the goal of the whole series. but they still have the right to exist .
but to DICTATE that the geth and edi have to die .
is also not a paragon option ."


The Reapers have a right to exist? Really? They are killing all life in the galaxy except for whatever primitive species they deem worthy of living. They killed billions.
So with that reasoning, I guess we should have allowed Hitler to live because it was his right to exist.

Sorry but I'm not buying the "peace and harmony" route here. Killing the Reapers was the ONLY choice for me. If you had to make a decision to see all the people you know and love die, change to cyborgs, or become a monster yourself. I think anyone with half a sense of self preservation for themselves and their species would kill the killers.....Paragon or not.

"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
-Edmund Burke