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[xaurabh123]

StillOverrated wrote...

garytwine wrote...

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

Oh, don't worry, I've broken my cardinal rule and given this bestia descomunal a chance to argue his point. He'll be back soon enough. Maybe he'll take my other advice and at the very least steal someone elses' defense of the ending for a change.

We should avoid that troll. He is not worth of any logic.

[StillOverrated]

Jared Shepard wrote...



"destroy . this also goes against a paragon player. 
becausse you have to DICTATE the future of the reapers , geth and edi .
destroying the reapers sure that was the goal of the whole series. but they still have the right to exist .
but to DICTATE that the geth and edi have to die .
is also not a paragon option ."


The Reapers have a right to exist? Really? They are killing all life in the galaxy except for whatever primitive species they deem worthy of living. They killed billions.
So with that reasoning, I guess we should have allowed Hitler to live because it was his right to exist.

Sorry but I'm not buying the "peace and harmony" route here. Killing the Reapers was the ONLY choice for me. If you had to make a decision to see all the people you know and love die, change to cyborgs, or become a monster yourself. I think anyone with half a sense of self preservation for themselves and their species would kill the killers.....Paragon or not.

"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
-Edmund Burke

Not the Reapers. The Geth and EDI, man.

xaurabh123 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

garytwine wrote...

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

Oh,
don't worry, I've broken my cardinal rule and given this bestia
descomunal a chance to argue his point. He'll be back soon enough. Maybe
he'll take my other advice and at the very least steal someone elses'
defense of the ending for a change.

We should avoid that troll. He is not worth of any logic.

I'm one of those idiots with some semblance of faith in humanity who believe everyone deserves a second chance. I'm giving him one. He'll probably skip on it and outed as a troll. Maybe we'll be able to get him banned then. Win-win.

Modifié par StillOverrated, 07 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[Thanatos144]

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Yes be like him and just ignore any outside thought cause life is so much easier when everyone agrees with you ........

Okay. One: Her, not him. Last time I checked, I don't posess testicles, not do I intend to acquire any testicles anytime soon. I'm actually offended you'd suggest I belong in the same gender as you. Okay, that was a joke, but come on! It says 'female' in my profile! Do your research!

Two: You want a civilized discussion; fine. Go ahead. I'll let you start: Tell me what in the game's ending works. Don't just glance over the post and ****** at the fact that someone replied. Tell me exactly why you think the endings fit so well within the theme of the game. Tell me why the endings DON'T go against everything that was established during the previous games, ESPECIALLY after the introduction of Legion and EDI.
2.1: Don't give me that "lol self-sacrifice makes the story deep" bull****. It doesn't. And even if it did, what Shepard did wasn't self-sacrifice. Mordin sacrificed himself for the greater good. Thane's death was a good sacrifice. Those deaths I understand. Shepard's was pointless. I'd have no problem with Shepard dying in the end if his death had meant something other than "Yeah. You're gonna be a war criminal. Good thing you're dying, anyway."
2.2: Don't try to feed me the "self-sacrifice has always been an underlying theme in the Mass Effect series" bull**** BioWare has been trying to feed us, either. It wasn't. If anything, intentionally or otherwise, especially ater Legion and EDI, the underlying theme of the series is freedom of choice. If they had introduced the "synthetics will always rebel against organics" plot right after or during the first game rather than just shoehorning it in on the last fifteen minutes of the game, I wouldn't be complaining about it. I'm pretty sure a whole lot less people wouldn't, either.
2.3: If you have any ideas as to how the game would be improved while keeping the Catalyst, they're welcomed. You just have to, you know, LET US KNOW ABOUT YOUR IDEA. Last time I checked, no one here can read minds.

Three: ARGUE YOUR POINT. So far all the argument you've given us is calling us entitled, whiny and stupid for thinking the ending is bad. That is not an argument, and this is why people call you a troll.

Ignore this and we'll know for sure you ARE a troll.

Actually the ending works fine. it is the small areas in the ending
that leave holes. Like how did joker get the crew on board and things of
that nature......Even the relays being destroyed is logical cause they
were traps built by the reapers to gauge when a civilization was mature
enough to bear watching. Even AI or VI is smart cause the reapers have
been shown as single purpose machines with very little individual
though. I even think the three ending is fine cause that as much as you
got in the third game. There are a multitude of ways this game ends but
most end in failure which to many seem to think isn't an end....It is by
the way.

[Thanatos144]

xaurabh123 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

garytwine wrote...

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

Oh, don't worry, I've broken my cardinal rule and given this bestia descomunal a chance to argue his point. He'll be back soon enough. Maybe he'll take my other advice and at the very least steal someone elses' defense of the ending for a change.

We should avoid that troll. He is not worth of any logic.

Yes avoid any who don't want what you want........

[Thanatos144]

Bioware you may be listening but the crowd here isn't.

[Thanatos144]

StillOverrated wrote...

Jared Shepard wrote...



"destroy . this also goes against a paragon player. 
becausse you have to DICTATE the future of the reapers , geth and edi .
destroying the reapers sure that was the goal of the whole series. but they still have the right to exist .
but to DICTATE that the geth and edi have to die .
is also not a paragon option ."


The Reapers have a right to exist? Really? They are killing all life in the galaxy except for whatever primitive species they deem worthy of living. They killed billions.
So with that reasoning, I guess we should have allowed Hitler to live because it was his right to exist.

Sorry but I'm not buying the "peace and harmony" route here. Killing the Reapers was the ONLY choice for me. If you had to make a decision to see all the people you know and love die, change to cyborgs, or become a monster yourself. I think anyone with half a sense of self preservation for themselves and their species would kill the killers.....Paragon or not.

"the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
-Edmund Burke

Not the Reapers. The Geth and EDI, man.

xaurabh123 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

garytwine wrote...

See how that works? All I can hear is peaceful discussion and a complete lack of trollspeak :-)

Oh,
don't worry, I've broken my cardinal rule and given this bestia
descomunal a chance to argue his point. He'll be back soon enough. Maybe
he'll take my other advice and at the very least steal someone elses'
defense of the ending for a change.

We should avoid that troll. He is not worth of any logic.

I'm one of those idiots with some semblance of faith in humanity who believe everyone deserves a second chance. I'm giving him one. He'll probably skip on it and outed as a troll. Maybe we'll be able to get him banned then. Win-win.

Instead I will go to work and I doubt I will get banned for not agreeing with you........Again you might want to look up what a real troll is.

[Mr Indivisible]

Its sad, because the game was all about CHOICE, then OUTCOME. The ending takes away all CHOICE and leaves you with 95% of the same ending, with 5% differences between them.

People debating what the ending should look like are really all saying the same thing, but defenders of the ending all say 'your confused, you don't know what you want, your entitled, etc etc'. Reality is, we all want our CHOICES to matter and shape our ending.

IE, Did I promote galactic unity? Did I unify Geth and Quarens or kill one off? Did I heal the Krogan? Did I free or kill the Rachni? Was I Earth centric or Galaxy centric?

In the end, it didn't fng matter what I was or wasn't, or what choices I had made. Thats why people are upset, they wanted their choices to matter, and part of that does encompass fighting Harby, or living with your LI. They (bioware) could have easily done a lot of this, in artistic and thoughtful ways, perhaps you abandon hope and run away to spend your last days with your LI, or perhaps you fight the hopeless fight with Harby, but give people the damn options you have been promising, don't stream them into sameness (which is what they did).

You cannot create and open player driven game, and expect people to be happy with a cannon ending.

[Caprea]

Can someone please muzzle the troll before things get out of hand? It's rather annoying to see decent people try to reason with him and then read his redundant BS (inculding multiple posts) over and over and over again.

[akuma1973]

Thanatos144 wrote...

The
relays blow up. Not very fond of it my self but I can live with it. Sure
it might take several millennium to remake them but now they have the
time.

The ending parts of the game is now being explained by an
extended cut.............So other than Shep biting it what else is
there??????

Don't give me the Shepard would never do this spiel
cause truth be told left with everyone's death and these three options
Shepard would do it. She would not run like a coward or recklessly destroy everything just to be defiant.

That's where your wrong, there are two options missing at the end which my Shep would have chosen. The first Option:
Since Starchild says he controls the  Reapers. have Him contact the reapers who are all sentient and therfore understand self preservation, and tell them if they don't get the hell out of my galaxy and never return I will destroy them all. They understand this and leave, we win  lots of lives saved. Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex.

The Second Option. Star Child refuses to contact The Reapers, I tell him to frak himself and then let Hackett know the Crucible was another reaper lie, but since I have an EMS of 7000+ I have more than twice the military strength of the Reapers. Space battles begin Reapers get Pushed back, faced with imminent anihilation the retreat into Dark Space. We win lots of lives lost, but galaxy and civilization saved. 
Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex. 

Both of those choices are choices The Shepard I played would have made. He would never have picked any of the 3 options currently given. He would not have listened to the thing which says it created the Reapers. He had no reason to listen to it's lies, let alone trust it. For bioware to ignore that fact that we as the fans and the people who breathed life into this world, understand that the ending is flawed in so many ways and they are too stubborn to admit that everything Shep does after killing TIM is completely out of character with the last 90 hours of gameplay is just insulting to all of us, even those who can't or refuse to see the glraing holes in the end>

And at the end of the day EAWare wants to claim Artistic integrity? Yet how can they do this when in trying to do this they show they have absolutely no integrity after lying to us about the content of the game. Integrity coems with Honesty, and they have none if they stick to the ABC ending they promised us would not be in the game.

[Thanatos144]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Can someone please muzzle the troll before things get out of hand? It's rather annoying to see decent people try to reason with him and then read his redundant BS (inculding multiple posts) over and over and over again.

Before I head out the door to work loet me tell you something if you dont like what I say do read it. Only those with weak arguments try to silence dissent.

[Thanatos144]

akuma1973 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

The
relays blow up. Not very fond of it my self but I can live with it. Sure
it might take several millennium to remake them but now they have the
time.

The ending parts of the game is now being explained by an
extended cut.............So other than Shep biting it what else is
there??????

Don't give me the Shepard would never do this spiel
cause truth be told left with everyone's death and these three options
Shepard would do it. She would not run like a coward or recklessly destroy everything just to be defiant.

That's where your wrong, there are two options missing at the end which my Shep would have chosen. The first Option:
Since Starchild says he controls the  Reapers. have Him contact the reapers who are all sentient and therfore understand self preservation, and tell them if they don't get the hell out of my galaxy and never return I will destroy them all. They understand this and leave, we win  lots of lives saved. Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex.

The Second Option. Star Child refuses to contact The Reapers, I tell him to frak himself and then let Hackett know the Crucible was another reaper lie, but since I have an EMS of 7000+ I have more than twice the military strength of the Reapers. Space battles begin Reapers get Pushed back, faced with imminent anihilation the retreat into Dark Space. We win lots of lives lost, but galaxy and civilization saved. 
Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex. 

Both of those choices are choices The Shepard I played would have made. He would never have picked any of the 3 options currently given. He would not have listened to the thing which says it created the Reapers. He had no reason to listen to it's lies, let alone trust it. For bioware to ignore that fact that we as the fans and the people who breathed life into this world, understand that the ending is flawed in so many ways and they are too stubborn to admit that everything Shep does after killing TIM is completely out of character with the last 90 hours of gameplay is just insulting to all of us, even those who can't or refuse to see the glraing holes in the end>

And at the end of the day EAWare wants to claim Artistic integrity? Yet how can they do this when in trying to do this they show they have absolutely no integrity after lying to us about the content of the game. Integrity coems with Honesty, and they have none if they stick to the ABC ending they promised us would not be in the game.

You projecting what you would do not what Shepard would do and you would be wrong cause it would lead to everyones death. Okay heading out..

Modifié par Thanatos144, 07 avril 2012 - 05:47 .

[mastersweet]

Simply said, no reasonably minded person(that is involved in the Mass effect) can be satisfied with the ending. It's not about happy or sad, or even whether you kinda liked it or hated it. It is the fact that we were given A B and C endings in which our choices did not influence even the slightest. Like I said, whether you support the ending or not you cannot deny that this ending moved tragically far away from everything we have known in the ME universe. Between no choices and not making sense the ending was just not appropriate. It is sad that Bioware somehow cannot see that.

[Thanatos144]

mastersweet wrote...

Simply said, no reasonably minded person(that is involved in the Mass effect) can be satisfied with the ending. It's not about happy or sad, or even whether you kinda liked it or hated it. It is the fact that we were given A B and C endings in which our choices did not influence even the slightest. Like I said, whether you support the ending or not you cannot deny that this ending moved tragically far away from everything we have known in the ME universe. Between no choices and not making sense the ending was just not appropriate. It is sad that Bioware somehow cannot see that.

You were gien A B C endings in ME2 as well.

[mastersweet]

And I really cannot believe the obvious lies that various Bioware employees fed us for weeks, and have yet to acknowledge them.

[StillOverrated]

Thanatos144 wrote...
Actually the ending works fine. it is the small areas in the ending
that leave holes. Like how did joker get the crew on board and things of
that nature......Even the relays being destroyed is logical cause they
were traps built by the reapers to gauge when a civilization was mature
enough to bear watching. Even AI or VI is smart cause the reapers have
been shown as single purpose machines with very little individual
though. I even think the three ending is fine cause that as much as you
got in the third game. There are a multitude of ways this game ends but
most end in failure which to many seem to think isn't an end....It is by
the way.

Okay, let's start by saying that game over screens aren't acceptable endings. Not by today's gaming standards. Back in the Mario vs Donkey Kong or Space Invaders day it might have been. But not today. and especially not in a story-driven game. That being said, they could have made a game over screen work as an ending if they had let the Reapers win and the cycle continue. It worked on Silent Hill 3 : if rather than having Heather take the pill she got from her father you have her attack Claudia, the cycle of hatred is complete and the evil god is born. Heather dies, Claudia wins. A game over that works as an ending. But the Critical Mission Failure screens alone do not an ending make.
Then we're going to "no. That ending doesn't work because it deviates from what made the series sell in the first place." I get what they were trying to do with the destruction of the relays. I do, honestly. We have to get rid of all Reaper technology. Unfortunately that gets all thrown out the window when they tell us that the Reapers themselves less like threat and more like some VI's playthings. And another thing. The VI tells you it controls the Reapers only to say it can control them anymore on the same sentence. Why? Never explained.
Then they introduce a concept that, had they mentioned it before they introduced you to Legion and EDI, people would have accepted it at face value. Because we had just finished a war with the Geth and, for all we knew, they thought organics weren't useful so screw 'em. The biggest mistake was introducing that plot point in the end of the third game. After Legion tells you the Geth don't want war, they just want to curl up into a hub and have virtual tea or something, and after EDI tells you she's willing to sacrifice herself for Joker and the crew because she doesn't wanna function on the same logic as the Reapers even when she has Reaper technology within her, telling us that "lol creators are always gonna rebel against the created" doesn't work. It contradicts what was established DURING THE COURSE OF THE GAME. That's called "bad writing".

And yeah. I know you're all unicorn and rainbows since they've announced they won't be changing the endings and don't wanna talk about what they did wrong but you have to take this into account: we're not angry that Shepard dies. We're angry about A LOT of things. None of them are related to Shepard dying per se. We're angry because we were lied to. No, it wasn't a "oh, we are working on this and we might be able to add 16 endings if time allows it" or "Oh, the Rachni queen may or may not play an important part in the end. Stay tuned to find out." They said "Hell yes! We're doing this ****! We're adding SIX-TEEN endings! We're totally gonna give you many different endings based on your actions a-la Dragon Age: Origins, so you'll be able to replay it as many times as you want!" and "yeah! The Rachni queen is gonna have a huge impact in the end, so you're probably gonna want to keep her alive!".
Settling for less than you paid for is why EA keeps pulling stunts like these. It's like paying for a Sundae and getting a lemon pop. I'm not gonna stop until they give me my Sundae. That simple.
I know for a fact BioWare is better than this.

[akuma1973]

Thanatos144 wrote...

I wrote...  That's where your wrong, there are two options missing at the end which my Shep would have chosen. The first Option:
Since Starchild says he controls the  Reapers. have Him contact the reapers who are all sentient and therfore understand self preservation, and tell them if they don't get the hell out of my galaxy and never return I will destroy them all. They understand this and leave, we win  lots of lives saved. Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex.

The Second Option. Star Child refuses to contact The Reapers, I tell him to frak himself and then let Hackett know the Crucible was another reaper lie, but since I have an EMS of 7000+ I have more than twice the military strength of the Reapers. Space battles begin Reapers get Pushed back, faced with imminent anihilation the retreat into Dark Space. We win lots of lives lost, but galaxy and civilization saved. 
Star Child gets spaced. Anderson Wakes up from his afternoon Nap, Jack makes lots of tatooed pscho Biotic Babies with Shep who like to torture Uncle Wrex. 

Both of those choices are choices The Shepard I played would have made. He would never have picked any of the 3 options currently given. He would not have listened to the thing which says it created the Reapers. He had no reason to listen to it's lies, let alone trust it. For bioware to ignore that fact that we as the fans and the people who breathed life into this world, understand that the ending is flawed in so many ways and they are too stubborn to admit that everything Shep does after killing TIM is completely out of character with the last 90 hours of gameplay is just insulting to all of us, even those who can't or refuse to see the glraing holes in the end>

And at the end of the day EAWare wants to claim Artistic integrity? Yet how can they do this when in trying to do this they show they have absolutely no integrity after lying to us about the content of the game. Integrity coems with Honesty, and they have none if they stick to the ABC ending they promised us would not be in the game.

You projecting what you would do not what Shepard would do and you would be wrong cause it would lead to everyones death. Okay heading out..

Ah I see you seem to miss a simple concept when applied to this game:

This is a Roleplaying game, when I play the game I play Shepard. I am shepard. It is Roleplaying. I am not projecting what I would do I am roleplaying what my Shepard would do. This is why people choose to Play Roleplaying games rather than Mindless FPS clones.

And the choice would not be wrong, Because 1000's may die in option 2, but billions die in all 3 of the ABC endings.

Modifié par akuma1973, 07 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[alcatan]

I hope bioware are happy with the ending, coz when they release the next iteration of mass effect and it's sales tank, it'll be cold comfort for change, or the lack of it, when there is no money.

[Caprea]

Thanatos144 wrote...
Before I head out the door to work loet me tell you something if you dont like what I say do read it. Only those with weak arguments try to silence dissent.

People are desperately trying to shut you up because they grow tired of your redundant BS. And if you had read my reply to you before, you'd know that I already presented my arguments. But since you apparently missed my post, I'd be happy to just quote it for you so you can take your time, read it and answer accordingly, yes?

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
All this cause Shepard dies. Like none of you has ever heard of a heroic end.

<rant>
I kinda have the feeling I'm kicking a dead horse by saying this... but ah well.
The huge outcry that went through the fandom is not caused by Shepard's death, it is caused by the utter lack of logic, plotholes and contradictions to Mass Effect lore and themes that have been present through all three games, save for the last, say, 15 minutes.
Fans are outraged because they have spent a lot of time building their character(s), exploring the ME universe and coming to care about the story and the characters and all they get is an A1/A2/A3 ending which
defies pretty much everything ME has been standing for, which is completely out of context and doesn't even make the least bit of sense.
Apart from that, it renders your previous efforts to destroy the reapers and save the galaxy useless as well as Shepard him-/herself because that stupid god child AI pops out of nowhere and is suddenly in charge, presenting three goddamn options to you that you are forced to choose from instead of telling the AI to get lost or throwing that little bastard out the next airlock.
This article sums up the flaws the ending suffered from pretty well. Read it. I dare you.
www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right

What's more is that BioWare promised up to 16 different endings, all dependent on the player's choices not only throughout ME3, but also throughout the entire series. They purposefully stirred their fans expectations. So fans paid for that kind of ending, but in the end, they didn't get what they were promised and ultimately paid for. If you didn't pay for what BioWare promised their fans in the first place, good for you. If you don't feel disappointed due to purposefully stirred expectations, good for you. If you thus don't feel pulled over the barrel, good for you.
But other fans paid for what was promised to them, they paid for BioWare to bring the ME saga to a decent closure, which they failed at in the eyes of the majority of players. And therefore, fans are angry. Not because they didn't get their "happily ever after" ending with rainbows and butterflies. If you continue thinking that, well, then I guess you continue missing our point. On purpose or not, I cannot say.
If BioWare ended up promising too much and not being able to handle all the different endings, I can accept that, hell I'd even understand it for I can imagine this to be a hell of a lot of work. But then they should  have the decency to admit that they screwed it up, take the goddamn baton for this mess and get it straight instead of stubbornly hiding behind their "artistic integrity" wall. The fans should not be the ones taking the rap for BioWare's mistakes.

We'll see how things turn out with the coming DLC. I don't know how they're going to fill the massive plotholes, fix the contradictions in ME lore and wave in more of the player's choices throughout all three games, but we'll see in
summer. Even though stupid star child won't be kicked out the airlock, I still hope the Extended Cut provides at least all the answers to the questions the current ending raised, as well as proper closure to an otherwise stellar trilogy.

A proper ending that makes sense, that's what fans want to see, and hell, they've given BioWare the chance to put things right with their massive protest. Please, BioWare. Don't screw it up a second time.
</rant>

Here you go, sweetheart. Have fun.

Modifié par dea_ex_machina, 07 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Orkney11]

"We're listening, of course. We don't give a damn about what we hear from yall, but we are most certainly listening."

[Kub666]

Why is this thing still stickied? It should be obvious now they have never intended to listen to feedback and just put it here as a stalling tactic.

[Eldred]

Ok, I finshed ME3. Not the ending I expected for sure. Some holes here, story wise. I can't really figure out how the citadel personality fits into everything. That is disapointing I hope future updates of the game will add more to this so the information about everything in the game makes sense.

Do I mind that we didnt get the live happy ever after, get grandchildren etc long life with lover interest and such ending. Not really... Do I think that the endings are abit sad yes ... Maybe not the become the reapers one that kinda lets the races at least live and be happy for awhile. 

I give Bioware points for making a ending that was not expected. I useally enjoy that in movies a lot and I dont see why games cant do the same. But too many open questions that was not answered takes away a few points on the ending,  Wierd plot holes and such takes away some more points. But as a whole game it is bloody brilliant. 

I want more of Mass Effect universe after this, ME1-ME3 reruns will only keep me satisfied for so long

Modifié par Eldred, 07 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[epicalus]

sit on her butt ?
did i say she should sit on her butt?
no i didn't .
sheppard's radio works right ?
then why isn't there an option to tell the fleet to blow up the catalyst and kill the "hitler" of the reapers.
what would that do to the reapers ?
did i say we should have kept hitler alive ?
no i didn't .
but following the example provided to me .
does that mean we should have wiped out the germans ?

[Omnike]

Thanatos144 wrote...

mastersweet wrote...

Simply said, no reasonably minded person(that is involved in the Mass effect) can be satisfied with the ending. It's not about happy or sad, or even whether you kinda liked it or hated it. It is the fact that we were given A B and C endings in which our choices did not influence even the slightest. Like I said, whether you support the ending or not you cannot deny that this ending moved tragically far away from everything we have known in the ME universe. Between no choices and not making sense the ending was just not appropriate. It is sad that Bioware somehow cannot see that.

You were gien A B C endings in ME2 as well.

Not really. So many people could die depending on whether you gained their loyalty or whether or not you made the right decision before the suicide mission. Even Shepard can die. That changes everything in Mass Effect 3. And an ABC ending to something that isn't actually the end of the story isn't so bad, because there are still choices to be made. But when we go in under the false pretense of an ending that can be so different from someone else who did things differently, an ABC ending doesn't seem to make much sense. Especially when that ending is extremely left field with things that just don't make much sense.

[Blazerer]

Orkney11 wrote...

"We're listening, of course. We don't give a damn about what we hear from yall, but we are most certainly listening."

we didn't lie! we said we would lsiten, but this a forum and we never promised to read!