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[spartanmax52000]

IM LOSING THE WILL TO PLAY MASS EFFECT 3,CAUSE WAR ASSET ARE JUST NUMBER. HOW JOKER WILL ALWAYS GO AWOL AND ETC
I LIKE MASS EFFECT 2 BETTER

[StillOverrated]

VicVonShroom wrote...

Your first part is ridiculous, I understand the argument about lack of choices in the ending but I've played and loved each of these games and I'm fine with the ending. I have problems with it sure. It's not a good ending but The extended cut dlc is there for this reason to explain how the choices we've made affect the galaxy. Will it fix all of the problems with ending? Most likely no but at least there is some semblance of hope left. I know I'll get quoted and told I'm wrong, I know it so I'm done with you folks. Hope your all happy with extended cut, this is a long shot but still.

One question: In your opinion, exactly how and why does the ending work, and how does it not deviate from underlying theme of the entire series?

[clarkusdarkus]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

Did anyone notice that after finishing The terrible ending you are somehow
TransPorted back on the Normandy BEFORE the assault on Cerberus HQ
Like it never happened
This may mean nothing but i am inclined to go with the indoctrination theorie
Here that has been floating around these boards
I still believe there is a final ending on THE way , or i just refuse to believe
That BW has botched THE ending this bad
But still ...
Hoping it's has something to do with it
And i don't care if it is free or payed DLC i would get it anyways
Just to get THE bad ending away from à game that otherwise was perfect

to be fair when i saw that i was bemused as we just died then here we are on the normandy before the final mission, so basically means they can shoehorn in dlc side missions like omega etc.....as like they blatantly stated at the end credits dlc to further the legend. just a cheap move on ther part which is becoming the norm from them

[spartanmax52000]

wickedwizzard01 wrote...

@ Spartanmax
I Could not have said it better

ThanksB)

[CorpralKarl]

I once heard a wise man say that the Mass Effect trilogy is comparable to taking a most wonderful hike through the wilderness; amazing, breath-taking scenes and making cool friends along the trail through the woods. At its highest moment you reach a cliff that has the best view and the person who made the trail walks up; you're about to thank him for the journey when he says, "Well, this is the end, all you can do from here is jump." I will not get DLC to extend the edge of the cliff 10 feet if I'm still forced to jump.

[JulienJaden]

So... You guys were listening, huh?

Yeah, you really showed on PAX that you were listening.
I returned ME3 today and this was my last BioWare product.

[AkaXan]

StillOverrated wrote...

VicVonShroom wrote...

Your first part is ridiculous, I understand the argument about lack of choices in the ending but I've played and loved each of these games and I'm fine with the ending. I have problems with it sure. It's not a good ending but The extended cut dlc is there for this reason to explain how the choices we've made affect the galaxy. Will it fix all of the problems with ending? Most likely no but at least there is some semblance of hope left. I know I'll get quoted and told I'm wrong, I know it so I'm done with you folks. Hope your all happy with extended cut, this is a long shot but still.

One question: In your opinion, exactly how and why does the ending work, and how does it not deviate from underlying theme of the entire series?

Most people that say they like the endings, just cant reason as to why and normaly I would say thats just fine, unfortunitly they act like children towards those of us who can give well reasoned, brakedowns as to way the endings are so broken, not just because they ruin Mass Effects own lore and logic, but because the endings also brake some very basic rules of story writing/telling that Biowares writers should know.

You wont get a real reason way the endings apparently work, because they cant give one. So they just resort to saying Bioware is right and anyone who disagrees dont know what the're talking about.

Modifié par AkaXan, 07 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[spartanmax52000]

jeweledleah wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Apparently "artistic integrity" is more important then you're fans.
Most of us don't accept the current ending, so how will extend this ending help.
This is just insulting.
GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO ENTERTAIN GAMERS.
If you care about you're artistic integrity that much, then you should not have make people care about the ME universe like you did the last 5 years.

artistic integrity is a flimsy excuse to hide behind, when you don't want to admit that you made a mistake.

artistic integrity is not someone they should be claiming when the game ends with "buy more DLC". when at least 60% of the game is pure fan service, complete with ass shots, dialogues lifted straight out of fan fiction and support threads, with character changes done becasue fans asked for them.

no.  its not artistic integrity they are protecting.  its pride.

True very true

[darthoptimus003]

spartanmax52000 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Apparently "artistic integrity" is more important then you're fans.
Most of us don't accept the current ending, so how will extend this ending help.
This is just insulting.
GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO ENTERTAIN GAMERS.
If you care about you're artistic integrity that much, then you should not have make people care about the ME universe like you did the last 5 years.

artistic integrity is a flimsy excuse to hide behind, when you don't want to admit that you made a mistake.

artistic integrity is not someone they should be claiming when the game ends with "buy more DLC". when at least 60% of the game is pure fan service, complete with ass shots, dialogues lifted straight out of fan fiction and support threads, with character changes done becasue fans asked for them.

no.  its not artistic integrity they are protecting.  its pride.

True very true

i hate to say it but all this is how i feel right now well all month

[Voodoo2015]

I'm so disappointed in your BW you promised us that all the choice we made would have a major impact on the end of the Mass Effect series, that was a lie.
And all our choices renegade or paragon would give us different endings, so it was a lie.
And that you are listening to your fans, I think not. Thats a lie.

Thanks for the wonderful game until the last 5-10 minutera and all the hours I put in
getting to know all the characters. And loved the ME because of the characters.
You give us nothing and call it an artistic end thats Bull.

You ****** on us and pretends it's raining. Have a little curtancy and say how it is
you couldn't do what you promise us.

"are proud of the artistic Choices we made in the main game"

Never mind The DLC BioWare. Why ... well because it stinks anyway.
YOU lied to us from the start.

Our choice should mather not only your choice.

This is a way to lose loyal fans, I thought more about you. But must realize that it is only about money, nothing else.

Never again BioWare.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 07 avril 2012 - 10:08 .

[Eralrik]

See Bioware is listening to its fans just not the one's complaining about a total overhaul and put in the ending's they themselves quoted, their listening to those who don't want then end game changed all they want is alittle more closure and leave the endings as is and screw the rest of us.

I walked into the local used dvd/cd store today to look for a ps3 game for my son and there is one section filled with nothing but xbox360 and ps3 Mass Effect 3's, asked they guy at the counter and he said people have been coming in drove's trying to pawn off that game and he's had to turn people away as he has to many copy's now.

I'm sorry Bioware and I truly am but no matter how you slap a dlc an play favorites to those who love the ending and those on the team that felt the endings to be a god send to gameing and the fans its still an ending full of crap, though I have to wonder if your all playing the game with the origional endings and we the fans got the thrown together in a hurry ending and are saying its an absolute amazing ending and god himself would be in awe.

So I've been a loyal customer I own every game Bioware has released and have enjoyed and I can't say that me3 ruined my time in the mass effect series but i'll still continue playing me1 & 2 but me3 gets shelved and uninstalled and placed in my attic to be forgotten. I will probably still buy DA3 but if it's ending ends up being a box of crap with the label of Artistic Integrity then it also will be uninstalled and placed in the attic for the spiders to make nests out of.

I'm saddend that the BW team can't see past their integrity and pride and really look at the ending from a fans view point and see it for what it truly is - crap!

An if the Bioware moderators ban me then its their progative but I've spoken my peace!

[FairfaxLessee]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

spartanmax52000 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Apparently "artistic integrity" is more important then you're fans.
Most of us don't accept the current ending, so how will extend this ending help.
This is just insulting.
GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO ENTERTAIN GAMERS.
If you care about you're artistic integrity that much, then you should not have make people care about the ME universe like you did the last 5 years.

artistic integrity is a flimsy excuse to hide behind, when you don't want to admit that you made a mistake.

artistic integrity is not someone they should be claiming when the game ends with "buy more DLC". when at least 60% of the game is pure fan service, complete with ass shots, dialogues lifted straight out of fan fiction and support threads, with character changes done becasue fans asked for them.

no.  its not artistic integrity they are protecting.  its pride.

True very true

i hate to say it but all this is how i feel right now well all month

Not sure if this is already on the forums, but there's apparently been an article about how the entire ending was the result of a writing fiat carried out by Casey Hudson (see http://masseffect3-e...ing-unconfirmed)
, and I have to say there's some poetic justice in that.  The Peer-Review process is lengthy and will sometimes dilute to palatable acceptance good ideas, but the thing about it is that what comes out at the end is no one's fault.  But when a fiat obstructs that process, what comes out, for good or bad, IS one person's fault, and if the fiat happened, I think that there's some poetic justice being served here.

Unfortunately, if the fiat happened it's just more reason to hide behind "artistic license" as a euphemism for "I'm big, you're little; I'm strong, you're weak; and most importantly I'm right, you're wrong!" 

I don't see how "expanding" the ending is going to help anything-you can build the best building anyone's ever seen, but if you build it on quicksand, it doesn't much matter as it's going to sink eventually.  Any "expanded" ending is going to be stuck in the flawed existence created by the original ending. 

I have spent the last year working at a legal clinic, and if there's one thing I've learned it's when you find yourself in a hole STOP DIGGING!  Bioware, you're in a hole, and it's already plenty deep.  "Expanding" the ending isn't going to go anywhere to get you out of it-stop digging, get out of the hole, put the original dark energy ending on the game. 

Besides, if you dig too far you'll just end up in China and then people really won't order any more of your games because they'll be able to get cheaper pirated versions.

[tschamp]

google stats:

"mass effect 3 ending sucks" :About 90,800 results (0.38 seconds)
"mass effect 3 ending is amazing":4 results (0.14 seconds)

There is a minority here somewhere....

Modifié par tschamp, 07 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[kalikilic]

yes i have seen that article where patrick weekes talks about how hudson decided to go it alone with respect to the endings. I mean, I can't say what the extended cut will do, but from what bioware staff has said it will do, i don't think i'll enjoy it. provide more closure...answer some questions...some more cinematics and epilogues....mmmm i dont see how adding to a broken ending would fix the ending. it would still be broken, albeit longer. it's some time before summer, and we can still hold our grounds and demand more from the company that has taken our money in turn for something that contradicts what we thought we were buying.Shepard him/herself would stand with us, demanding justice. he won't roll over like some folks here for Bioware.

keep up the pressure folks. Demand what we were promised. HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par kalikilic, 07 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[Lordambitious]

FairfaxLessee wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

spartanmax52000 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

FOX216BC wrote...

Apparently "artistic integrity" is more important then you're fans.
Most of us don't accept the current ending, so how will extend this ending help.
This is just insulting.
GAMES ARE SUPPOSED TO ENTERTAIN GAMERS.
If you care about you're artistic integrity that much, then you should not have make people care about the ME universe like you did the last 5 years.

artistic integrity is a flimsy excuse to hide behind, when you don't want to admit that you made a mistake.

artistic integrity is not someone they should be claiming when the game ends with "buy more DLC". when at least 60% of the game is pure fan service, complete with ass shots, dialogues lifted straight out of fan fiction and support threads, with character changes done becasue fans asked for them.

no.  its not artistic integrity they are protecting.  its pride.

True very true

i hate to say it but all this is how i feel right now well all month

Not sure if this is already on the forums, but there's apparently been an article about how the entire ending was the result of a writing fiat carried out by Casey Hudson (see http://masseffect3-e...ing-unconfirmed)
, and I have to say there's some poetic justice in that.  The Peer-Review process is lengthy and will sometimes dilute to palatable acceptance good ideas, but the thing about it is that what comes out at the end is no one's fault.  But when a fiat obstructs that process, what comes out, for good or bad, IS one person's fault, and if the fiat happened, I think that there's some poetic justice being served here.

Unfortunately, if the fiat happened it's just more reason to hide behind "artistic license" as a euphemism for "I'm big, you're little; I'm strong, you're weak; and most importantly I'm right, you're wrong!" 

I don't see how "expanding" the ending is going to help anything-you can build the best building anyone's ever seen, but if you build it on quicksand, it doesn't much matter as it's going to sink eventually.  Any "expanded" ending is going to be stuck in the flawed existence created by the original ending. 

I have spent the last year working at a legal clinic, and if there's one thing I've learned it's when you find yourself in a hole STOP DIGGING!  Bioware, you're in a hole, and it's already plenty deep.  "Expanding" the ending isn't going to go anywhere to get you out of it-stop digging, get out of the hole, put the original dark energy ending on the game. 

Besides, if you dig too far you'll just end up in China and then people really won't order any more of your games because they'll be able to get cheaper pirated versions.

looks like that regarding the ending, Casey Hudson
( •_•) 
(  •_•)>⌐■-■ 
( ⌐■_■) 
Assumed Direct Control
YEAAAAA!!!

Modifié par Lordambitious, 07 avril 2012 - 10:35 .

[darkreed]

To: Dev Team.
Subject: Ending Feedback "closure"

What I need

Shepard: How the ME universe reacts to his actions and/or how poeple judge his/her choice.
Crew: What happened next for them.
Universe: Mass Relay detonation effect.
Universe: Problem in Sol System with all the different races.
Universe: How the races get back to own systems.
Universe: How and of the new alliances work out maybe. Geth/Quarian, etc.

Modifié par darkreed, 07 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[Reever]

So, this is the third time I talk about this.

One of the squadmates I was with while running towards the beam is unscathed on that garden planet at the end....how can that happen? Every single one of my squadmates would just follow me up if he survived that laser beam...

That´s mildy annoying. Also Harbringer taking off to....?!?!

Other than that, I don´t have anything to say about the ending themselves, but the way we get there. The logic of Starchild is broken. Or I don´t get it. Especially when you brokered peace between the Quarian and the Geth.

So I´d really like to see more of these issues addressed in the extended cut! Asking the Starchild more, seeing more of the Assets in action, being able to understand what Harbringer does and how my Squadmates get on the Ship.
And then what happens to the other races if possible (and there isn´t another ending DLC planned for that ).

[Norrin_Radd]

darkreed wrote...

To: Dev Team.
Subject: Ending Feedback "closure"

What I need

Shepard: How the ME universe reacts to his actions and/or how poeple judge his/her choice.
Crew: What happened next for them.
Universe: Mass Relay detonation effect.
Universe: Problem in Sol System with all the different races.
Universe: How the races get back to own systems.
Universe: How and of the new alliances work out maybe. Geth/Quarian, etc.

Agreed.

[spartanmax52000]

kalikilic wrote...

yes i have seen that article where patrick weekes talks about how hudson decided to go it alone with respect to the endings. I mean, I can't say what the extended cut will do, but from what bioware staff has said it will do, i don't think i'll enjoy it. provide more closure...answer some questions...some more cinematics and epilogues....mmmm i dont see how adding to a broken ending would fix the ending. it would still be broken, albeit longer. it's some time before summer, and we can still hold our grounds and demand more from the company that has taken our money in turn for something that contradicts what we thought we were buying.Shepard him/herself would stand with us, demanding justice. he won't roll over like some folks here for Bioware.

keep up the pressure folks. Demand what we were promised. HOLD THE LINE!

I doubt the extended cut will be enough,I just have a feeling that it wont be good as they claim

[AkaXan]

A lot of the independant stores I vist have a crap load of ME3 used copies. I also noticed the price for new has dropped like a rock. Sure Bioware got big sales upfront, but this mess will have an effect on the games long term retail viability and it will without a doubt effect paid DLC performance.

I would also expect a knock on effect for Biowares future games as after DA2, Mass Effect 3 broken endings and Biowares lack of real concern for fans views, Bioware killed a lot of fan/customer trust.

Modifié par AkaXan, 07 avril 2012 - 10:57 .

[VibrantYacht]

Hey... not sure who to address,

Anyway, I have a couple comments regarding the ending (of course). I'd like to preface all of this by saying, I do not mean to be all mean-spirited or bitter. I apologize in advance if that tone is ever recieved on your end (if you do ever read this).

1. Does anything in Mass Effect 2 matter? I suppose you could go on a broader scope and say does any of it matter but for this question, I'm referring to other issues. The change in the original storyline seems to have made ME2 irrelevant. Why does the Illusive man park his base next to a dying sun? What was the point of choosing to destroy or secure the collector base? Any detail I can think of relating to ME2 seems to not matter considering the overarching story. I was afraid of this at the end of ME2 because I felt we were at the same point as at the end of ME1 (I've said this before). Then I learned it was essentially setting up for what was to come, all the nuances and motivation... it seems to me that all of it was tossed aside and unjustafiably in my opinion (which I realize is somewhat insignificant in this issue). Stretching out further to look at the big picture (which I eluded to earlier) many things in ME1 also don't matter. Shepard has no reason to be human anymore other than to possibly help players identify with him/her more. Even the title of the series has very diminished meaning. It's difficult, with the supposed change in story, to make anything matter. This is my personal biggest disappointment.

2. I also am curious as to how the game wound up so different as to what was eluded (others use the word promised) to in certain quotes (I am referring in particular to the Game Informer cover story as that made the game sound absolutely fantastic to me). Everything seemed to do a 180, and that's not an exaggeration. I obviously don't know what happened internally but it seems to me like a similar problem to my previous one. There was an original idea that things were set up for, then it all got swept away for reasons none of us fans will probably ever understand.

Thank you for allowing the fans to have a voice despite all of the... aggression many have displayed. It is much appreciated by all of us... even if it isn't outright said or shown. I look forward to the Extended Cut and hope development goes smoothly. Thanks again!

Modifié par VibrantYacht, 07 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[Blazerer]

Norrin_Radd wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Norrin_Radd wrote...

Leem_0001 wrote...

I'm well aware of heat death and its theory, but that is one theory of the end of the universe, and nothing to do with organic life meddling as I recall? Its just the natural end the universe is it not? The opposite end to the Big Freeze (or however its known). Incidently the original ending had a similar idea, but using Dark Energy, which was somehow (the game would tell, apparently) influenced by orgsanic life. Hence the Reapers.

So I am still on the other side of the fence to yourself when it comes to the endings, and still stand by my view on why it is terrible, but you put your point across here in a well thought out manner so fair play to you. And, honestly, I'm glad you liked it. Bit jealous actually as you got the complete ME experience that I wanted lol

Aw man, that last line bums me out. I do admit, seeing the Mass Relays dissapear 1 by 1 was a shocking sight to see. With the music swelling too, it was like seeing dreams be smashed. But, that was kind of the intent. The whole game was somber, and very sobering. The moment I had to kill Mordin to stop the Genophage cure (since Eve was dead in my game, the Krogans really didn't seem ready, and I was already leaning renagade through the whole series), the tone of the game had been set. The ending very much felt the same. Like, I knew the greater good was being done, but it seeing an old friend die was heart breaking. Seeing the Citadel go dark, and the relays shut down was way too hard to process right then and there. But the more I have thought about it since, the more I have been able to construct aftermaths where everything is ok. But we'll just assume, until they say otherwise, the Relays did not detonate like they did in The Arrival DLC.

What ending did you end up getting? And what percentage of renegade and paragon were you through all 3 games, Leem_0001? I think this might have a big impact on how people enjoyed the ending.

I was an 80% Renegade, 20% Paragon, Synthesis ending. Very sadly had to Kill Mordin, and collaterally had to kill Wrex. Saved the Geth and the Quarians. Romanced Tali. Purposely missed the shot with Garrus. etc.

So, my Shepard was a cold bastard, but I had some friends, and I was mainly focused on winning the war at any cost. The Synthesis ending seemed like it fit really well with my game. It seemed like the choice that saved the most lives, and ended the war.

when people say that the explosion of a relay would kill an entire system, they are right. so are the people saying that it didn't have to be that kind of destruction. more of a 'shut down and then go boom'

however what group 2 might forget is that all species stranded on their own planets = the death of them all. Intergalactic trade is immensive in numbers we couldn't possible understand. entire world and systems depend on that trade. food, medical supplies, water purifiers w/e. no more of that. not to mention that the entire fleet at earth? all doomed to die as to fight for the last scraps and bits among themselves

Wouldn't mean death for them all. Some will probably be out of luck, if they have no way to get food anymore, but they could make do for as long as they could while the remaining species attempt to create new relays (especially now that the Geth are good, and synthesis may have taken place). Different systems will still be able to communicate with Quantum Entaglers, so building the Relays might actually be a lot easier than they think if they are all working in unison.

But yeah, I don't think the relays exploded catastrophically, because if they did, from that galaxy point of view, you would have seen a ton of stars go super nova as well, and gravity shifts like crazy. Basically, a lot more turmoil than simply a pastel green wave. There are still fields with which mankind does not have ways to detect (such as the Higgs Field: http://en.wikipedia....iki/Higgs_boson). Those emanations of blue red or green light could simply be something we don't understand yet, not real explosions.

As for the remaining people on Earth, and the surviving alien fleets. It will be interesting indeed, to see how they figure out what to do. I'm sure that is something BioWare will explain in the Extended ending. I am also sure it is something they would have explained in future comics, games, movies etc, but the fans really want to know NOW. Nice of them to oblige.

it took The top brass of Prothean engineers several years and tons of resources to make a tiny relay. what are the odds this can be done on a completly devestated planet, where most of the population has been killed, indoctrinated or downright melted into goo. Same for other worlds. Asari? homeworld blasted into ruin, Krogan? no scientists worthy of mentioning. Salarians? possibly the smartest around, but lack the effective lifespan. Humans? They have to deal with the entire fleet of the galaxy, no room for research like that.

Not to mention that neither of them has anything to go on. no relays to study, no databanks. nothing

So i still do believe that destroying the mass relays will effectivly end galatic sentient life. Pretty much the only ones who have a chance are the quarians who are already self-sufficient for a long time, have a greatly untouched world and have etreme labor forces at their disposal

[itsdynamitebaby]

In a game where our own character personalization and in-game choices were supposed to be driving the story, we really were denied the ending the game we deserved. Hours of our lives were put into this game and our patronage to Mass Effect was rewarded with some poor ending that didn't fit at all with the spirit of the story.

I think given the amount of MONEY and time we have spent on this game they owe it to us to give us the ending we want.

They want to support the artistic vision of the creators and keep the various travesty endings? What about the patrons? Why would it be so terrible to give us, their sole reason for doing what they do, something that we want? I'm inclined to reject future Bioware/EA titles based on their disregard of their fans. I think we've spoken pretty loudly and I hope they have the sense to not only listen, but act as well.

[Someguyukno]

AkaXan wrote...

A lot of the independant stores I vist have a crap load of ME3 used copies. I also noticed the price for new has dropped like a rock. Sure Bioware got big sales upfront, but this mess will have an effect on the games long term retail viability and it will without a doubt effect paid DLC perforance.

Agreed, this won't just hurt Bioware but EA in sales across all their games, past present and future. This is the straw that broke the camal's back, and some free "clarification" and multiplayer dlc won't be enough to win us back. They're going to be feeling this fro a long time. (with)HOLD. THE. WALLET!

[ChickenMan77]

Man did that ending suck or did I just not get it? Why are Saren and Sovereign so hell bent on getting to the Citadel and calling the Reapers when that Shimmer Kid lives there and controls them? Couldn’t he of done it all along?….plus the Collectors want Shepard’s body for his DNA in ME2 and then he just walks into Reaper HQ and give it to them?  

Did I miss something is there some kind of logic in this that I don’t have?

Any DLC should have Shepard go back to Mass Effect 1 on Virmire and have him say..”Saren you were right I’m just going to join with the Reapers anyways so let’s just cut to the chase and get it over with.”

Or I guess Shepard could just shoot the Citadel’s tubes and blow up the Shimmer Kid’s home…
.thanks for the information Shimmer Lad….Don’t bother showing me the exit I’ll just auger in from orbit…….