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[TreguardD]

We, of the Hold The Line, Retake Mass Effect Community, would like any ending to be aware of the following concerns.



Plot Issues:



The in game Codex and evidence from Arrival say that any
damaged/destroyed relay erupts in a violent explosion of energy,
destroying anything in the system. Why does this not each and every home
world in the game? (Just showing that it doesn't happen isn't enough.
We need a why that makes sense)



How, in the space of about 5 minutes, does our crew, especially the
"Final Squad" members deep in enemy territory, manage to return to the
Normandy in time for them to make a jump to Relay Speed?



Aside from the above: How can Garrus and Tali coexist on a planet
apparently designed with the wrong amino acids? Tali, especially, has
the problem of her immune system, her food needs to be sterilized.



How, in a world with well-explained technology, does synthesis even work?



Character Issues:



Why does Joker desert the final battle?



Why does not one member of the crew, especially the current 'Love
Interest', have the loyalty to believe Shepard might be alive,
especially giving one ending, she might be? (If Admiral Hackett speaks
to Shepard on the Citadel, that gives about two minutes to get off
Earth)



Why does Shepard herself accept the premise that Synthetics are destined
to fight Organics on the Star Child's say so? Especially given the
cordial nature of EDI and possible golden ending of the Rannoch arc.
Even the Geth ending has the Geth peacefully coexisting with the other
organic races of the Citadel Alliance.

[StillOverrated]

Thanatos144 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am sorry I didnt know I had to answer another bull post about being promised something...

How about you stop being redundant and tell us exactly why we shouldn't demand they give us what they promised ONE WEEK BEFORE THE GAME RELEASE? Oh, and by the way, Thanny, you STILL haven't answered my question. What makes the ending work? I'm waiting.

You can demand all you want but your not entitaled to a damn thing .....You should be happy you got the extended cut cause thats more than most would do.

The momend I shelled out $80 for the damn game I became entitled to demand they deliver whatever the **** they promised. If I had ****ing pirated the game, then you would have a point. I PAID FOR IT. Your argument is invalid. PERIOD. You, on the other hand, aren't entitled to insult anyone, but you seem to think you are. This just makes you look stupid.
And you have YET to answer my question. That's three for three, Thanny. And then you wonder just why people call you a troll.

[xjmz250]

jeweledleah wrote...

xjmz250 wrote...

Moving the Citadel made sense because you figure the reapers have been harvesting earth since the beginning. The only other places i can think that have as many reapers that you see at least over the entire game are Palavan and Thessia. so it would have to be moved to one of the three or else the reapers would just have to drop what they are doing and run to the Widow system? That doesnt make much sense. Earth was the first target so why not move it to Earth. Theres gotta be more reapers on Earth than any other one planet or system. So it would already be the most fortified.

And they couldnt have another relay that connects to charon directly because whenever you use the galaxy map it even show the relays dont work on a direct basis unless they are right next to each other. so the reapers would have passed im guessing at least 3 other systems. They would have had to show up SOMEWHERE if they were using relays like that. So it had to be standard FTL. Unless the reapers engines are somehow magical supercharged ftl drives i doubt they would be able to get to Earth unnoticed in that small amount of time

you know that the map only shows clusters that we actualy mapped out right?  relays that we don't know about=relay that's not yet on a map. remember, earthlings were forbidden to try and open up new relays just like that, by the council.

that said, why woudln't Reapers drop everything, leave skeleton crews on planets already occupied and move en force to the Citadel, allowing them to deactivate ALL the relays at once, isolate the resistance and proceed with harvesting at their leasure.  seeing as current civilization haven't figured out how to move between clusters yet, without the use of relays. (FTL only gets you so far, before you have to discharge your core.. or fry)  or not move en mass.  it only took one reaper and a fleet of Geth, in ME1, to get to the Citadel and almost let the rest of the reapers in, if not for Shepard following behind Saren trhough conduit.  few more Sovereign class reapers, with Harby at the helm?  and they would have had this invasion in a bag.


in short.  entire story is flawed.  still woudln't have been so bad, if the ending was epic.

I still personally loves ME3 aside from the ending so i dont think that the whole story is flawed. I would just like to know why the reapers are so damn fast and why i can be that fast too .

Im also still holding my position on the fact that Ilos would have been an easy back door shorcut though. If only there could be some... i dont know... CHOICES? like idk im only a fan that was promised many different possibilities but ony got 3. I want to see other ways to defeat the reapers without dying but it seems the only thing that makes any kind of sense in terms of me surviving is the indoctrination theory (because bioware wont make a new ending but will just talk about it a little longer) but thats ok with me cuz pissing off AI space beiber is an acceptable course of action for me because if i was taking a nap then i never really killed Edi or any of the synthetics i love so much.

Modifié par xjmz250, 08 avril 2012 - 06:41 .

[Omnike]

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am sorry I didnt know I had to answer another bull post about being promised something...

How about you stop being redundant and tell us exactly why we shouldn't demand they give us what they promised ONE WEEK BEFORE THE GAME RELEASE? Oh, and by the way, Thanny, you STILL haven't answered my question. What makes the ending work? I'm waiting.

You can demand all you want but your not entitaled to a damn thing .....You should be happy you got the extended cut cause thats more than most would do.

The momend I shelled out $80 for the damn game I became entitled to demand they deliver whatever the **** they promised. If I had ****ing pirated the game, then you would have a point. I PAID FOR IT. Your argument is invalid. PERIOD. You, on the other hand, aren't entitled to insult anyone, but you seem to think you are. This just makes you look stupid.
And you have YET to answer my question. That's three for three, Thanny. And then you wonder just why people call you a troll.

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

[StillOverrated]

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

[Omnike]

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

As did I. Welcome aboard, my good man.

[StillOverrated]

Omnike wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

As did I. Welcome aboard, my good man.

Sorry for correcting you, commander, but I do not posess any testicles.

xjmz250 wrote...

You
had the right to deny his existance after just one seeing as you knew
his apparent trolling history. It is what it is though and you have my
respect for at least being patient

Patient is not a word I would use to describe myself, sir.

Modifié par StillOverrated, 08 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[xjmz250]

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

You had the right to deny his existance after just one seeing as you knew his apparent trolling history. It is what it is though and you have my respect for at least being patient

[Omnike]

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

As did I. Welcome aboard, my good man.

Sorry for correcting you, commander, but I do not posess any testicles.

Hahaha what?

[StillOverrated]

Omnike wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

As did I. Welcome aboard, my good man.

Sorry for correcting you, commander, but I do not posess any testicles.

Hahaha what?

I don't got no balls, sir. I'm not a man.

[Daap]

[quote]Jeebus1986 wrote...

[quote]Swordser wrote...

First of all, I truly appreciate BioWare for this series, and for the fact that they're listening to us and willing to work with us for the ending. In this, almost everyone here is alike. We really are appreciative of all that's happened, all the effort on BioWare's part, we are only upset with the last 1% of the series.

And now on to the rest. For all, I apologize for what might turn out as a wall of text...

That 1% is a huge issue, which is why we want it "fixed." It is also not something most developers would even think of changing, so this is a real credit to BioWare. What's not a credit to them is that the way they're fixing it is not even close to what we want.

BioWare, you've said you're listening, and I believe that, but Extended Cut is not, by any means, the answer you should be taking away from all this talk. We're not disappointed because the endings aren't explained, we're mad because the ending is broken. It can't be fixed by explaining it. In those last ten minutes of play time, you started to break the rules of your own created universe, you abandoned characters and the central conflict, arguably even the protagonist, and that's not something you can just explain away.

BioWare, I really do respect your stance to maintain the ending's "artistic integrity/vision," but what you don't understand is that it's that exact "artistic vision" we have a problem with. We don't like that Shepard meets a ghostly image of the kid he's been having nightmares about, who then explains that he created the Reapers for a hypocritical reason. We don't like that Shepard simply goes along with this. We don't like that he's basically just letting us win, because "hey, we worked pretty hard to get this far."

Explaining won't fix it. If you even can explain all of that, how the synthesis and control options even work, why Starchild was so concerned about Technological Singularity in the first place, why his solution was so hypocritical, that's great. But that's NOT what we want. That's NOT what is going to satisfy us (If I'm actually a minority in this opinion, so be it).

On another thread, since locked down due to destructive criticism, several rather outstanding members of the "new ending" party analyzed BioWare/EA's actions and advised the other members what to do. Regardless of the accuracy of their reading into the actions, their advice was simple and unanimous: Hold the line. Give no ground, do not relent, and don't let the issue drop, even a bit.

Mass Effect 3: Extended Cut is BioWare's compromise, one that does not meet our agendas, and one that will not be accepted on the current terms. We do not want the ending expanded, we want it changed. A compromise is fine, but we want a different ending, not an expansion for the current one.

Unless BioWare is withholding information on the Extended Cut (usually a good thing, but not with a subject so sensitive as this), and they really are making a substantial change (read: CHANGE) to the current ending, I will not accept this, and I know many others who think the same. A compromise this far to their side of the argument is unacceptable, a comrpomise that keeps the ending so close to untouched is insufficient. We will continue to push for a new ending, one that abides by the game's rules, one that doesn't need to be "clarified" later, one that doesn't kill our desire to play the single player, and most importantly, one that won't leave us feeling we've been betrayed by a company we truly do respect and love.

I urge everyone to do likewise. Do not accept this compromise, not on the terms of the ending staying. Continue to fight. We have the power as the consumer, the fan base, and we've proved that already. Continue to push for a new ending. We can do this.

Continue to hold the line, people.
[/quote]

+1

[asdfsdadfs]

The "once more people have played the game" excuse is BS. If this is a spoiler-approved forum, why can't you talk about the ending? Oh, right. That would mean explaining it without lying, and also keeping Bioware's image intact. Which is impossible.

[akuma1973]

Rhosyn wrote...

Hey guys. I think we figured out the real ending to Mass Effect 3.

We're all breaking out of indoctrination. It's time for the real fight. To Take Back Mass Effect.


Also, quoting the first page of the thread for epic win:

Well considering they stole the ending directly from Deus Ex. In Deus EX:HR there was a 4th option down a corridor, but I for the life of me cannot find that 4th option. So I just stood there for 5 minutes Shooting the Star Child and imagining I was this LTMKilla in this vid:
 

Especially the end quote, I was looking for that button dammit!

Modifié par akuma1973, 08 avril 2012 - 07:27 .

[Trav-O]

At first it depressed me, then weeks later, I am angry. I don't like hearing the 'spin' that fans are just requesting more, its not like this is an encore performance. Its just a terrible ending! I wish Mr. Hudson from BW would acknowledge that. 
I think ME3 is a good game, its not completely broken. It has flaws such as suffering from little variety in a second playthough (All human LI who originated from ME2 are a joke, Renegade options don't accomplish the needed tasks differently other than Tuchanka and Ardat Monestary), but I like it. 
If I was part of BW, and I could speak to the press, I would really just appreciate some hard truth. Lets admit fault. "A quality product was made. There were some choices made, and some risks, and obviously not all payed off. Some things obviously were not up to fan expectation. Sorry and we're working on it." 

[Blazerer]

xjmz250 wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

xjmz250 wrote...

Ok. So ive been thinking a lot about the ending. Think about why we went to Earth. The citadel is above earth and we need to get inside. OK. But think about this, What about the conduit? Its essentially a back door into the citadel. We didnt even need the teleporter on Earth to get where we were going. Almost all of the reapers fortified Earth as strongly as possible so for the normandy to slip back to Ilos by itself would be a piece of cake. Vigil may have went offline but the conduit just closed. Its not like we broke it. Am i right or is there a giant piece of information that im missing that shows all of Ilos burst into flames and the conduit in ruins?

not to mention.  if reapers have the Citadel, that means they have acess to master control.  you know that thing in ME1, that would allow them to take controll of every single relay, shut it down and all?  why are the relays still working?

and all these questions is why you dont just have couple of people write something, without editing, team imput, fact checking etc.

The Reapers took the citadel and we immediately attacked them so i dont think that they even had the time to activate master control. Let alone the fact that it was Saren that was connecting soverign to the citadel from the inside. It wasnt soverign himself at the control panel

actually he does have a point, at the end of ME1 Sovereign connects to the main control, the citadel council spire. Seeings as they atleast would have had it several days before the fleets arrive, that leaves them more then enough time to shut down the mas relays and isolate everyone.

[Blazerer]

Trav-O wrote...

At first it depressed me, then weeks
later, I am angry. I don't like hearing the 'spin' that fans are just
requesting more, its not like this is an encore performance. Its just a
terrible ending! I wish Mr. Hudson from BW would acknowledge that. 
I
think ME3 is a good game, its not completely broken. It has flaws such
as suffering from little variety in a second playthough (All human LI
who originated from ME2 are a joke, Renegade options don't accomplish
the needed tasks differently other than Tuchanka and Ardat Monestary),
but I like it. 
If I was part of BW, and I could speak to the press, I
would really just appreciate some hard truth. Lets admit fault. "A
quality product was made. There were some choices made, and some risks,
and obviously not all payed off. Some things obviously were not up to
fan expectation. Sorry and we're working on it." 

and that's where they won't budge. watch the video of PAX, they are a bunch of egomaniacs who handled any isue slightly relating to the problems with the ending by kicking it down before an answer could be asked, or by riduculing their fanbase.

Modifié par Blazerer, 08 avril 2012 - 08:32 .

[Huojin]

[NordicLord]

Huojin wrote...

i dont get it

[Grimskull89]

NordicLord wrote...

Huojin wrote...

i dont get it

Someone who represents Bioware came up with the statement under the image, the image represents files from the game.

[Dalis918]

See, here's the problem bioware has at the moment. They made a game, they made a story and they flubbed the ending. Nobody hates them for making mistakes, but the fact they aren't admitting or owning up to it means that people resent them. And the people that resent them are pretty much in majority. And in that majority there are going to be people who are a hell of a lot smarter than they are, who know what they are talking about and also lets not forget, have the internet available.The internet is a pretty powerful monster when it gets bothered about something.

just to note, I don't count myself to be smarter. I just know what I like and what I want, which is a satisfying option. I want to be able to earn my happy ending. Or earn my sad ending. Or any sort of ending dependant on my choices throughout the three games. 
And what I want is for my femshep to adopt little krogan children with Garrus and for my Broshep to have little masked children with Tali. 

also note that I have yet to complain about DAII. That's because that game I actually liked. Ok sure the caves were all the same, but the little bit of brilliance to cover that was our trusty dwarf telling the story. "And then we went through some more caves"

Modifié par Dalis918, 08 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Caprea]

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am sorry I didnt know I had to answer another bull post about being promised something...

...says the one who is unable to refute even one single decent argument... right.
If you had at least picked up on one of my points (or anyone's, for that matter) and given an according reply to it, I would have started to take you seriously. But apparently, factual arguments are too much for you to comprehend. So since you're unable to properly discuss, let's just leave it at that. Trying to have a decent debate with a troll is just pointless.

Modifié par dea_ex_machina, 08 avril 2012 - 04:38 .

[Camarooni]

I just want you to explain how anything I did up to that point actually mattered.

Modifié par Camarooni, 08 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[helloween7]

 This guy is my new hero:

[SiriusXI]

As far as I can tell, Bioware, judging from pax and the ending DLC announced: No, you are not listening.

[AkaXan]

StillOverrated wrote...

Omnike wrote...

Every day he'll start an argument with someone and fail to address any of the legit arguments. Then he'll post a general comment about whiny children. The best thing to do is just not respond. At all.

I agree. In any case, I've given him three chances; I guess can safely ignore him now.

It really would be better for your sanity if you ignored him. I actually think he's i'll or maybe he's a Bioware writer trying against all logic to defend those awful endings.

Regards AkaXan

Modifié par AkaXan, 08 avril 2012 - 11:24 .