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[improperdancing]

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

Man BioWare is just all kinds of stupid lately.  I'm not religious, but I'm willing to bet a lot of people who play these games are, and BioWare isn't really in a position to alienate even more of their fans right now with moronic comments.

[Blazerer]

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

gotta love this proves the point that they simply don't give a ****.
It's just saddening to see people could care for nothing but money, and
couldn't give any care for a project that's been worked on for over 5
years rather choosing to drive it tinto the dust for who knows what
reason

Whilst I agree the endings suck and Bioware have seriously dropped the ball here I'm not sure we should be having a go at specific people in Bioware. I'm sure they are towing the company line because they will lose their jobs otherwise. I'm sure they have a tonne of legal sh*t written into their contracts which can lead to them being sued into the next life if they let slip any of the 'behind the scenes' politics which have gone on which lead to the travesty which is ME3's ending.

The buck really stops with the high level executives and project lead. They had the power to shoot down whatever the writers, designers and quality testers said based on their own opinion. A serious mistake in my eyes as it has led to a more than sub-standard ending to the series and a bad taste in every ones mouths.

Remember, EA are the bad guys here. They are the equivalent of the retarted Godchild. Not the talented guys and gals at Bioware.

Just my opinion though. I still think the ending should have been re-written.

plesae, do not misinterpret what i meant. if what i typed led to confusion then i appologize (see that Bioware? try it sometimes, anyway)
It's the post that insults both an entire religion and a fanbase you've already screwed over that really annoys me. As for the ending, only 2 people worked on that and it clearly shows, and both were way up the chain (can't find their names atm, will see if i can find m around)

And also I think you are giving Bioware too much credit here, I don't believe this is simply just EA. there is too much going on and too much Bioware could have done which they didn't do

Modifié par Blazerer, 08 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[PMC65]

"Keep it civil", "no name calling", etc and the Community Manager tweets this ...

Chris Priestly‏@BioEvilChris
What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

Hate to say this but personally I don't think they really give a rat's ass what we think. They don't care that their fan base walked away from the ending confused, unhappy and disappointed. The reviewers loved it and the shooters raved ... the rest of us just needs to shut up and go away.

[hwf]

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

jeweledleah wrote...

and the best part about the whole
comparison to Jesus, bible actually DOES tell you what happened to
companions as well as Christ, who gets to come alive 3 days later and
ascends to join his Father in heaven. not to mention, neither
crucifixion, nor assertion to haven comes out of nowhere and instead his
divine origins are clearly stated from the very start. and I can go on
and on and on...

that statement is both tactless and shows complete lack of comprehension.

Slam dunk that!

Bioware's communication is filled with this.
I guess they stopped being professional about their job eh.

[Rasofe]

There's rumour it was Casey Hudson and the lead writer that developed the ending.

[Eralrik]

helloween7 wrote...

 This guy is my new hero:

An now my hero as well!

The ending was made by 2 people behind closed doors and no input from anyone else and I see the cover up here as they don't want to admit these 2 screwed up.

One has to wonder if the writers who wrote the ending actually played and read the codex's for ME1 & 2 or through all that out the window an started an ending from scratch.

Modifié par Eralrik, 08 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[Blazerer]

Rasofe wrote...

There's rumour it was Casey Hudson and the lead writer that developed the ending.

more than a rumor. all other parts of the game were supervised and looked at by a variaty of people, only the ending was designed by just 2

[PhantomSun]

Devs and Dev Writers: We wanted New Endings.

BUT Thanks so much for making EDI's character development and Legion's sacrifice have ZERO meaning with your Extended Endings/clarification of the ending.

[*sarcasm] Whoo yay everyone's happy.  We won!  The Galaxy hasn't been thrown into the Dark Age!   The Normandy is back on Earth!  The Relays aren't completely broken!  They can be rebuilt!  And We Won! [*/sarcasm]

Shepard: "Congratulations...?"

The Endings still comes attached to this:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/1
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/41#11165448

You may not have intended it that way, but when you left it open to interpretation, those thoughts became perfectly valid.

And in case someone gets the bright idea of getting that thread locked:

Zine2 wrote...

This is not meant to be nice. This is meant to be a blunt, honest, and to the point assessment - because everyone seems to be trying to avoid the Elephant in the room.

Mass Effect's Ending attempts to condone and justify genocide. This is why it is almost universally reviled.

The one common element in all the endings is that you will meet an entity known as the "Catalyst". Set aside all of the other plot holes and minor complaints, and focus on the Catalyst for now.

This is the entity that created the Reapers. This is the entity that is directly responsible for the genocide of multiple sentient races over tens of thousands of years. It is his fault that Earth, Palaven, Thessia, and the Galaxy is burning.

The Catalyst is in fact a war criminal on a scale worse than any of our own real-world tyrants. Hitler's gas chambers, Genghis Khan's campaigns of extermination, and Tamerlene's pyramid of skulls is nothing compared to what the Reapers have done. That it tries to disguise itself as a young child does nothing to exonerate it of the magnitude of its crimes - it's actually sickening. It's like Hitler having plastic surgery to look like an innocent child.

Even worse, this is an entity that attempts to justify its genocidal actions - in a way that is bluntly little different from the real world genocide of the Jews.

It uses euphemisms to describe mass murder. It uses the term "Chaos" to describe people, as though they are a problem and not living, breathing, beings. It calls its actions a "Solution", just as the certain people called the Holocaust their "Final Solution". It even goes as far as calling the the liquification of corpses into Reaper components as "Ascension", no different from how the Concentration Camps collected the hair and skin of the dead victims to use as furniture components.

Even worse, the premise of the Catalyst is fundamentally a racist premise. It boils down to "Organics and Synthetics are so different that they will always end up destroying each other". Really? You are now judged by your component parts - metal or protein - instead of the content of your character? How offensive would it be in real life to hear someone say you should be judged by the color of your skin?

To top it all off, the player is not allowed to question its actions. It must stand idly by and accept its justifications. You are not allowed to tell it that is wrong. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson actually thought this was a good thing too, as noted here in the "Final Hours":

Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"

But given that they were planning to allow the player to ask only softball questions ("How long have you been reaping?", as opposed to "Why did you not seek a different solution that did NOT involve mass murder?"), they were apparently so in love with their "Genocide is justifiable!" ending that they didn't think it was a big deal.

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But it gets even worse. You are not simply prevented from telling the Catalyst that it is wrong. You are also forced to go along with its next plan - its next "solution".

This is why the most popular alternate ending thus far is the "I refuse all of your options" ending. Players would seriously rather have the entire galaxy wiped out than be forced to serve the Catalyst.

And you know what? Because they are absolutely right.

Genocide is wrong. Period. There is no room for debate. Nothing can justify what the Catalyst did, no matter how much it claims it's so much smarter than all of us. No matter how much Mac Walters thinks its smarter than all of us.

And this is ironically a lesson that the rest of the series spends so much time teaching us. It shows us that even beings of another races are people "just like us" with their own hopes and dreams. It doesn't matter if the Elcor are big and look funny. We love them because they have art, and culture, and feelings too, even if we cannot fully comprehend it like they do.
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This is why the ME3 ending was a total and abject failure. It is not art. It is not deep. It is offensive.

It is about a brat AI proudly explaining his Mein Kampf.  That people should be judged along racial lines: Organic vs Synthetic. And that because of these racial lines, he was totally justified in committing genocide over, and over, and over again.

And the player is forced to become one of the pawns in his game. That is why players hate the ending; and why the most popular "alternative" ending is one wherein the player completely and totally rejects the Catalyst's "options", even if it means certain military defeat.
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[Also... since some people will argue "But the Catalyst is correct about organics and synthetics!"

The Catalyst was in fact completely and totally wrong. Just because it says it's correct does not mean it is true. That is the trick used by propagandists everywhere.

Instead, what people should do is to analyze the strength of its arguments. And frankly, anyone with some common sense would realize that this is a very weak argument.

There is nothing that inherently forces Organics and Synthetics to fight each other. Races and people fight all the time. Turians make war on Krogans. Krogans make war on Salarians. Even without synthetics there will still be conflict in the universe.

However, the Catalyst's premise is that there is a divide between Synthetics and Organics, and that they are "fated" to kill each other. That's not a sound argument. That's just racist ideology. Again that's just judging people based on their component parts - metal or protein - rather than the strength of their character. Only a racist in the real world would claim that your character is dictated by the color of your skin, just as the Catalyst's grand assertion that being a Synthetic or an Organic hard-wires you down a particular path is no less racist.

And ironically, you can in fact forge an alliance between an organic and Synthetic race (Quarians and Geth) within the game - proving that the divide between the two is nothing more than a lie.

Therefore, what the Catalyst is saying is not factual. Just because it says "the cycle will continue" without its intervention does not make it true. It's just an arrogant being who is trying to play God, and which has killed trillons of sentient beings in the name of upholding its flawed premise.]

ubermensch007 wrote...

We all have an opinion about the ME3 Endings that's for sure.I've just recently come to a new outlook on them.That has caused me to better perhaps understand why BioWare is saying that they will not create a 'New Ending' this revelation came to me while I was writing a post in "Threads Locked" Which has unfortunately, just been locked an hour or two ago.

Yeah... Like what the hell happened to this thread: "What I got from PAX: The ending is racist."

There was some very intriguing insights being made in that thread. About how BioWare should change the ME3 Endings, not just because they have some serious plot-holes and don't make a whole lot of sense.But rather because as they stand right now:

- Control: Slavery

- Synthesize: Homogeny

- Destroy: Genocide

These are all  hyper negatives and sends the wrong kind of message... As Javik the Last Prothean puts it.

"War is atrocity in the name of survival." Perhaps that is the message that BioWare sought to bring across with these Endings.

But for many of us, we just think the Endings suck. And with good reason I say.

Maybe this is what BioWare was saying to us.That not even Commander Shepard can avoid this.As powerful and accomplished as Shepard is.He too cannot escape this reality.Javik also says to Shepard Commander at another point of the story, "You still think that you will end this war with your honor intact."

If we fans have a right to be mad with BioWare about anything, it is that they did not provide us with enough opportunities to prove Javik wrong...

Mass Effect 3 isn't about Shepard and the Starchild. Or Shepard and the Illusive Man. Its about Shepard and Javik's point of view...

Modifié par PhantomSun, 08 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[kyse_zenith]

On the announcement of the Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut. You claim you are listening; well you clearly aren't. A vast majority of your fan base is completely distressed at how generic, nonsensical, and vague your endings are. You completely remove the need to do half of the things you did in ME3 SPOILERS**your relationship-useless, saving the geth- useless unless you pick an ending where Shepard dies, your friends-essentially labeled as traitors because they run away from the fight. the storyline-vague and open; Bioware's vision: "we're going to save organics from being destroyed by synthetics by creating synthetics to destroy organics so organics can't make synthetics that will destroy organics." This is backward doublespeak that makes absolutely no sense. the ME universe-destroyed because the relays and the citadel (the hub of the entire galaxy) are wiped out Turians and Quarians can't eat human food and there aren't any non-human settlements near the local cluster, so you basically wipe out the entire quarian and turian armadas by starvation), and you strand every other species' armada on earth for the rest of their lives. In general, your fans weren't asking you to remove the old endings, just to add more insight into WTF you were thinking and to add different endings (but in addition to the original) that actually make the things you did for the last 3 games and 5 years matter. I'm glad the DLC coming out from now into the summer is free, because I will not buy a single DLC for this game. I put hope that this game would be amazing, and it was, but the one thing that every story needs to tie everything together, it's ending, was so badly written and rushed, that you end up destroying an amazing universe for future games, books, graphic novels, etc. I am so disappointed that the people who had the ideas to make a series as amazing as Mass Effect would blatantly murder their prodigal child like this.

Modifié par kyse_zenith, 08 avril 2012 - 03:47 .

[garytwine]

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

gotta love this proves the point that they simply don't give a ****.
It's just saddening to see people could care for nothing but money, and
couldn't give any care for a project that's been worked on for over 5
years rather choosing to drive it tinto the dust for who knows what
reason

Whilst I agree the endings suck and Bioware have seriously dropped the ball here I'm not sure we should be having a go at specific people in Bioware. I'm sure they are towing the company line because they will lose their jobs otherwise. I'm sure they have a tonne of legal sh*t written into their contracts which can lead to them being sued into the next life if they let slip any of the 'behind the scenes' politics which have gone on which lead to the travesty which is ME3's ending.

The buck really stops with the high level executives and project lead. They had the power to shoot down whatever the writers, designers and quality testers said based on their own opinion. A serious mistake in my eyes as it has led to a more than sub-standard ending to the series and a bad taste in every ones mouths.

Remember, EA are the bad guys here. They are the equivalent of the retarted Godchild. Not the talented guys and gals at Bioware.

Just my opinion though. I still think the ending should have been re-written.

plesae, do not misinterpret what i meant. if what i typed led to confusion then i appologize (see that Bioware? try it sometimes, anyway)
It's the post that insults both an entire religion and a fanbase you've already screwed over that really annoys me. As for the ending, only 2 people worked on that and it clearly shows, and both were way up the chain (can't find their names atm, will see if i can find m around)

And also I think you are giving Bioware too much credit here, I don't believe this is simply just EA. there is too much going on and too much Bioware could have done which they didn't do

Sorry dude, I wasn't aiming my comment at you directly. Just generally to the thread.

I guess I'm just seeing Bioware's position a bit from my own experience. I work for a company which runs the national design studios of a large global corporate (one of many clients). The amount of cr*p they have written into our contracts and the contract to keep the studios open is crazy. NDA's, risk & compliance and all sorts. Still, its no where near as bad as people working for our client company.

Even though we are our own people and make the design decisions the management generally just bends over and takes it from the client and overide us (unless we have a really strong case). They actually dictate our work life, risk & compliance and all sortsof other crap becuase they are majorly paranoid. Most large companies are, and you know the saying, "Sh*t rolls down hill".

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

[Blazerer]

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

gotta love this proves the point that they simply don't give a ****.
It's just saddening to see people could care for nothing but money, and
couldn't give any care for a project that's been worked on for over 5
years rather choosing to drive it tinto the dust for who knows what
reason

Whilst I agree the endings suck and Bioware have seriously dropped the ball here I'm not sure we should be having a go at specific people in Bioware. I'm sure they are towing the company line because they will lose their jobs otherwise. I'm sure they have a tonne of legal sh*t written into their contracts which can lead to them being sued into the next life if they let slip any of the 'behind the scenes' politics which have gone on which lead to the travesty which is ME3's ending.

The buck really stops with the high level executives and project lead. They had the power to shoot down whatever the writers, designers and quality testers said based on their own opinion. A serious mistake in my eyes as it has led to a more than sub-standard ending to the series and a bad taste in every ones mouths.

Remember, EA are the bad guys here. They are the equivalent of the retarted Godchild. Not the talented guys and gals at Bioware.

Just my opinion though. I still think the ending should have been re-written.

plesae, do not misinterpret what i meant. if what i typed led to confusion then i appologize (see that Bioware? try it sometimes, anyway)
It's the post that insults both an entire religion and a fanbase you've already screwed over that really annoys me. As for the ending, only 2 people worked on that and it clearly shows, and both were way up the chain (can't find their names atm, will see if i can find m around)

And also I think you are giving Bioware too much credit here, I don't believe this is simply just EA. there is too much going on and too much Bioware could have done which they didn't do

Sorry dude, I wasn't aiming my comment at you directly. Just generally to the thread.

I guess I'm just seeing Bioware's position a bit from my own experience. I work for a company which runs the national design studios of a large global corporate (one of many clients). The amount of cr*p they have written into our contracts and the contract to keep the studios open is crazy. NDA's, risk & compliance and all sorts. Still, its no where near as bad as people working for our client company.

Even though we are our own people and make the design decisions the management generally just bends over and takes it from the client and overide us (unless we have a really strong case). They actually dictate our work life, risk & compliance and all sortsof other crap becuase they are majorly paranoid. Most large companies are, and you know the saying, "Sh*t rolls down hill".

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

didn't mean to imply that i was dissatisfied with you or your post, just that I didn't type it as clearly as i though I did ^^

Seeing your position you have more insight in/more  knowledge of these kinds of things than me, and you of course have a point that EA plays a hefty part in everything Bioware does, but that doesn't excuse Bioware of all guilt, nor does it means that had no say in anyhing

[alayyubi]

Just saw this. Excellent piece by Nerdrage. I hope the dev view this with open mind. The fix is simple, change the last scene with Starchild - IT is the answer given by fans. You will have my respect. I laugh and almost cried at the same time. This is one of the best series I have played since Baldur's Gate - the ending matters.

[garytwine]

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

gotta love this proves the point that they simply don't give a ****.
It's just saddening to see people could care for nothing but money, and
couldn't give any care for a project that's been worked on for over 5
years rather choosing to drive it tinto the dust for who knows what
reason

Whilst I agree the endings suck and Bioware have seriously dropped the ball here I'm not sure we should be having a go at specific people in Bioware. I'm sure they are towing the company line because they will lose their jobs otherwise. I'm sure they have a tonne of legal sh*t written into their contracts which can lead to them being sued into the next life if they let slip any of the 'behind the scenes' politics which have gone on which lead to the travesty which is ME3's ending.

The buck really stops with the high level executives and project lead. They had the power to shoot down whatever the writers, designers and quality testers said based on their own opinion. A serious mistake in my eyes as it has led to a more than sub-standard ending to the series and a bad taste in every ones mouths.

Remember, EA are the bad guys here. They are the equivalent of the retarted Godchild. Not the talented guys and gals at Bioware.

Just my opinion though. I still think the ending should have been re-written.

plesae, do not misinterpret what i meant. if what i typed led to confusion then i appologize (see that Bioware? try it sometimes, anyway)
It's the post that insults both an entire religion and a fanbase you've already screwed over that really annoys me. As for the ending, only 2 people worked on that and it clearly shows, and both were way up the chain (can't find their names atm, will see if i can find m around)

And also I think you are giving Bioware too much credit here, I don't believe this is simply just EA. there is too much going on and too much Bioware could have done which they didn't do

Sorry dude, I wasn't aiming my comment at you directly. Just generally to the thread.

I guess I'm just seeing Bioware's position a bit from my own experience. I work for a company which runs the national design studios of a large global corporate (one of many clients). The amount of cr*p they have written into our contracts and the contract to keep the studios open is crazy. NDA's, risk & compliance and all sorts. Still, its no where near as bad as people working for our client company.

Even though we are our own people and make the design decisions the management generally just bends over and takes it from the client and overide us (unless we have a really strong case). They actually dictate our work life, risk & compliance and all sortsof other crap becuase they are majorly paranoid. Most large companies are, and you know the saying, "Sh*t rolls down hill".

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

didn't mean to imply that i was dissatisfied with you or your post, just that I didn't type it as clearly as i though I did ^^

Seeing your position you have more insight in/more  knowledge of these kinds of things than me, and you of course have a point that EA plays a hefty part in everything Bioware does, but that doesn't excuse Bioware of all guilt, nor does it means that had no say in anyhing

Hey, no worries. Lol, I guess I was just playing 'Devil's Advocate' to some degree. You're right. Bioware have more than a little responsibility here.  I just wish they had ended ME3 on a high and not scr*wed the pooch

[Blazerer]

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

gotta love this proves the point that they simply don't give a ****.
It's just saddening to see people could care for nothing but money, and
couldn't give any care for a project that's been worked on for over 5
years rather choosing to drive it tinto the dust for who knows what
reason

Whilst I agree the endings suck and Bioware have seriously dropped the ball here I'm not sure we should be having a go at specific people in Bioware. I'm sure they are towing the company line because they will lose their jobs otherwise. I'm sure they have a tonne of legal sh*t written into their contracts which can lead to them being sued into the next life if they let slip any of the 'behind the scenes' politics which have gone on which lead to the travesty which is ME3's ending.

The buck really stops with the high level executives and project lead. They had the power to shoot down whatever the writers, designers and quality testers said based on their own opinion. A serious mistake in my eyes as it has led to a more than sub-standard ending to the series and a bad taste in every ones mouths.

Remember, EA are the bad guys here. They are the equivalent of the retarted Godchild. Not the talented guys and gals at Bioware.

Just my opinion though. I still think the ending should have been re-written.

plesae, do not misinterpret what i meant. if what i typed led to confusion then i appologize (see that Bioware? try it sometimes, anyway)
It's the post that insults both an entire religion and a fanbase you've already screwed over that really annoys me. As for the ending, only 2 people worked on that and it clearly shows, and both were way up the chain (can't find their names atm, will see if i can find m around)

And also I think you are giving Bioware too much credit here, I don't believe this is simply just EA. there is too much going on and too much Bioware could have done which they didn't do

Sorry dude, I wasn't aiming my comment at you directly. Just generally to the thread.

I guess I'm just seeing Bioware's position a bit from my own experience. I work for a company which runs the national design studios of a large global corporate (one of many clients). The amount of cr*p they have written into our contracts and the contract to keep the studios open is crazy. NDA's, risk & compliance and all sorts. Still, its no where near as bad as people working for our client company.

Even though we are our own people and make the design decisions the management generally just bends over and takes it from the client and overide us (unless we have a really strong case). They actually dictate our work life, risk & compliance and all sortsof other crap becuase they are majorly paranoid. Most large companies are, and you know the saying, "Sh*t rolls down hill".

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

didn't mean to imply that i was dissatisfied with you or your post, just that I didn't type it as clearly as i though I did ^^

Seeing your position you have more insight in/more  knowledge of these kinds of things than me, and you of course have a point that EA plays a hefty part in everything Bioware does, but that doesn't excuse Bioware of all guilt, nor does it means that had no say in anyhing

Hey, no worries. Lol, I guess I was just playing 'Devil's Advocate' to some degree. You're right. Bioware have more than a little responsibility here.  I just wish they had ended ME3 on a high and not scr*wed the pooch

and that is someting we can all agree on, if only...

[Rasofe]

PhantomSun wrote...

Devs and Dev Writers: We wanted New Endings.

BUT Thanks so much for making EDI's character development and Legion's sacrifice have ZERO meaning with your Extended Endings/clarification of the ending.

[*sarcasm] Whoo yay everyone's happy.  We won!  The Galaxy hasn't been thrown into the Dark Age!   The Normandy is back on Earth!  The Relays aren't completely broken!  They can be rebuilt!  And We Won! [*/sarcasm]

Shepard: "Congratulations...?"

The Endings still comes attached to this:

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/1
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10036548/41#11165448

You may not have intended it that way, but when you left it open to interpretation, those thoughts became perfectly valid.

Yeah... I guess they are...
I wouldn't say they're perfectly valid interpretations, but they're not unreasonable. You sort of have to assume a few things, but with just enough force some of the pieces of the puzzle fit together.
I personally still believe those two just wanted to set the work of a whole franchise on fire because it feels godlike.

[Archonsg]

garytwine wrote...

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

When those actions reflect the health of your company, its revenues and set a negative sheen over all past acheivements, then perhaps they should rethink what exactly they have power over.

Seriously, to the PR clowns running this show, you know the axim, ****** off one customer and 10 others will hear about it. Not only that, that one customer will forget everything good that you may have done in the past and focus on the negative. Its called human nature.

It is alot harder to please someone granted but at the same time, it takes alot to really make your customers feel insulted, talked down to and walk away feeling cheated and abused.
Congratualtions, but somehow you have managed to do all the above. 

So, stick to your "Artistic, plothole, inconsistent illogical ending". 
Defending a bad, really bad ending, that has no place in the game, is just, well, stupid. But hey, its your company.

I know I will not ever recomend or buy another Bioware product off Origins or any other form of retail purchase to anyone and everyone I know. 

[AkaXan]

improperdancing wrote...

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket


I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

Man BioWare is just all kinds of stupid lately.  I'm not religious, but I'm willing to bet a lot of people who play these games are, and BioWare isn't really in a position to alienate even more of their fans right now with moronic comments.

I dont get why people want to excuse Bioware and their behaviour towards fans/customers who have well reasoned points about the awful endings and why they dont work. Then you get people like this **** making extreamly poor taste jokes about religion in an effort to belittle fans/customers and their well thoughtout reasons against the A, B or C endings.

I'm not even a little religous, but I really do hope some bit of press picks up on this ****s comments, because I would love Bioware to dig themselves into a bigger mess with thier bs attitude towards fans that actually care what happens to Mass Effect.

[akuma1973]

LoneDragoon90 wrote...

"Yes, we're listening, but I'm not taking you seriously"

https://twitter.com/...978725637992448

What do you mean "at the end he died on a cross"? That makes no sense! And what of his companions? *newtestamentrage* #retakeeaster

His apology https://twitter.com/...997140901670912

To all offended by my previous post, I apologize. Instead I wish everyone a Happy Zombie Messiah Day instead. #howdidigetinthishandbasket

I don't care if he apologised. Fingers in motion before brain in gear by Mr. Preistly.

I created a new thread with a Poll on this matter.
http://social.biowar.../index/11172859 

[ElMuchu]

Glitch759 wrote...

 Favourite moments:
Quarian/Geth peace
Mordin's death with singing (good in a sad way)
Last scene with Shepard and Anderson.

Same for me, I would also add the fight between Kalros and the reaper on Tuchanka and the landing on Earth for the final battle (I really had the impression to land in Hell: reapers everywhere, no place to hide: a huge moment).

Bioware, for all the fights Shepard has made along ME1, ME2 and ME3, please let us the possibility in having an ending where Shepard is living and happy with his/her LI.

[Reeeen0690]

Glitch759 wrote...

 Favourite moments:
Quarian/Geth peace
Mordin's death with singing (good in a sad way)
Last scene with Shepard and Anderson.

These were so damn well written its amazing to see the sudden.... wonkeyness at the end

Ending at the last scene with Shep and Anderson would have been the emotional note to end on i think. (you know, cutting straight to citadel firing)

Modifié par Reeeen0690, 08 avril 2012 - 04:30 .

[Lord Hirudo]

Hooboy...
Okay, I'm going to get the DLC on faith. BioWare's earned that from me, but if it's as bad as it seems like it's going to be, thats it. I'm done. BioWare will have officially failed me, and I will no longer be a repeat customer.

[Reeeen0690]

Lord Hirudo wrote...

Hooboy...
Okay, I'm going to get the DLC on faith. BioWare's earned that from me, but if it's as bad as it seems like it's going to be, thats it. I'm done. BioWare will have officially failed me, and I will no longer be a repeat customer.

Well it is free, I see no point in not getting it.

Modifié par Reeeen0690, 08 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[CARL_DF90]

If they are truly paying attention then I direct their attention and everyone else's to this article that wonderfully details the problems with this ending.


http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

[petroxg]

Archonsg wrote...

garytwine wrote...

I'm fairly sure Bioware has less power over their actions than people think.

When those actions reflect the health of your company, its revenues and set a negative sheen over all past acheivements, then perhaps they should rethink what exactly they have power over.

Seriously, to the PR clowns running this show, you know the axim, ****** off one customer and 10 others will hear about it. Not only that, that one customer will forget everything good that you may have done in the past and focus on the negative. Its called human nature.

It is alot harder to please someone granted but at the same time, it takes alot to really make your customers feel insulted, talked down to and walk away feeling cheated and abused.
Congratualtions, but somehow you have managed to do all the above. 

So, stick to your "Artistic, plothole, inconsistent illogical ending". 
Defending a bad, really bad ending, that has no place in the game, is just, well, stupid. But hey, its your company.

I know I will not ever recomend or buy another Bioware product off Origins or any other form of retail purchase to anyone and everyone I know. 

Well said, that is how I feel about this right now too.  How the final ending DLC will turn out still remain to be seen, but the way they response to this so far is not looking good.  Another comment I would like to add on to that is is Bioware choose the easy route and only let their pride to get in the way.  It takes a lot of courage and gut to admit they made a mistake and willing to correct them accordingly as requested by their fan(which is their customers).  Pride will not get Bioware a future with more income from gamers, Pride will only destroy their future by pushing unhappy fans/customers away, which pretty much what Bioware is doing right now with their response to ME3 ending.

[No_MSG]

Reeeen0690 wrote...

Lord Hirudo wrote...

Hooboy...
Okay, I'm going to get the DLC on faith. BioWare's earned that from me, but if it's as bad as it seems like it's going to be, thats it. I'm done. BioWare will have officially failed me, and I will no longer be a repeat customer.

Well it is free, I see no point in not getting it.

The problem with the DLC is, to get to it, I have to go through Deus Ex Machina again.  I tried watching a youtube video of it and had to shut it off, it was so bad.  It's like being forced to run through a hallway full of angry bees naked.  Then, when you ask "Why did I just run through that hallway?" they tell you that there's honey at the end of it, and you need to run through it again.  You know what?  No amount of honey will make up for the angry bees.