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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.


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In hopes that somehow Bioware can fix/adjust/massage/or whatever they plan on doing to the ending of ME3; here are the problems I had with it (warning this is a long rant, but I really need to get this out so I could move on):

Besides the point of only having 3 choose your own endings that are all essentially the same. I mean if Shepard has to die make it feel like it has more profound meaning. Not just he dies and depending upon his/her choice they get either a red, green, or blue explosion. Lame I know it and you know it. Own up to it. Anyways...

Control Ending: In my game where over the course of 3 games I saw the evolution of the geth this seemed only the real choice, but Shepard's lame dumbstruck agreement with the stupid starchild was off-putting. In ME3 I saw the evolution of the "geth-soul/geth-humanity". This made Legion's safrice so profound, his gift to the geth their gift of a soul/humanity. To choose Destroy or Synthesis would cheapen and downplay his sacrifice. This is the one ending I can accept. But there is some problems with the cutscene. It does not appear that the citadel shoots a beam, but closes instead. Yet the mass relays still explode. But the starbrat did not mention the destruction of the mass relays in his dialogue. Was this left out or was it because of all of the 3 endngs using the same cut-scene (really you guys are not ashamed of this lame direction of re-using the same ending for your "multiple endings". Artists my a... nevermind). Even EDI in my game evolved and became more human than machine. Her declaration that fighting to stop the reapers from destroying organic life was worth dying for was awsome. She deserved to live.

Synthesis Ending: I really am a little disappointed with Bioware for this ending. Why? So in a game where we promote tolerance and cooperation; your ideal best ending (determing because you need to gather the most resources to get it) is to make "everyone the same". Yah that's a good moral lesson to teach this generaton. Yah we are always gonna hate <target group> because <target group> will always be different; so we can only co-exist if we are all the same, wtf?. That's just broken thinking. In ME3 we saw groups evolve past this primative thinking. Not to mention what gives Shepard the right to play god and drastically alter on a very personal level the DNA structure of every orgainic and synthetic life in the universe. Jarvik would not want this. As probably alot of others. What now we are related to Reapers so it's all good? Harbinger is now my great-great second uncle 50,000 yrs removed? Do you realize how stupid this is. How does it even work, oh yah Godchild has Space-magic. So Shepard's "energey" has the source code to change all organic and synthetic life into the same DNA model sure, ok? I could never choose this ending because it is just so incredibly stupid. Atleast Godchild says the mass relays will be destroyed and they are. Honestly we need a cutscene of Jarvik in tears in becoming the monster that killed his entire species and gives the Kirk Khan-yell "Shep-ARD!"

Destroy Ending: I could only go with this selfish ending if I played a game where I just crapped all over Legion and EDI. Because you choose to kill a crew member and an entire species to achieve your goal. This IS a renegade ending. I think it should show how that choice inpacts the universe. Joker would be pissed. The Godchild says it will destroy the Geth as well (and I assume EDI as well). The mass relays and most of the technology we use will be destroyed. This would be the most crippling of endings as it seems anything that came from "reaper-tech" would be destroyed. And since most tech is derived from Mass Relays/Reaper tech looks like we'd be back to square one and screwed. You should take out the "breath" BS cutscene. If you want to Death-only Shepard ending, then lose this BS. Don't play this stupid tease game. It just causes more problems for people. But I guess with the synthesis route of thinking, it would make since for Bioware if they were to allow Shepard to live; they would only allow him/her to live to be the biggest jerk in the universe. I am Cmdr Shepard and I killed the Reapers, the Geth, EDI, everyone on the Reaper built Citadel, and probably everyone in a system with a Mass Relay. And I approve this message. Yeah...

So things that need to be clarified:

  • Does Control ending destroy the Mass Relays? Godchild does not say it and citadel does not shoot out beam. Since you went with the lame re-color and re-use all cut scenes for ME3's "multiple endings" it is unclear. To keep the mass relays and end the reaper threat would be a legendary way to die for Shepard.

  • Also does destroying the Mass Relays kill everyone in those systems? Yeah I stopped the reapers but killed everyone. Wow I am starting to sound like the godchild. Maybe he has ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL.

  • Do the Quarians and Geth make it back to the world I work so hard for them to live on?

  • Do the Krogan and Turians make it back to their homeworlds?

  • Can a Reaper-ravaged Earth support all those people if the Mass Relays are destroyed?

  • Does Jarvik kill himself/commit seppeku? Or does he co-author a book with Liara.

  • Why did Joker bail on the battle? When did he pick up Shepard's squad mates. Did they not run to the beam to board the citadel as well? And were the others not also busy with particpating in the missions on Earth. I chose EDI and Liara and all my Ending("s") with the exception of Synthesis. Joker, Liara and Jarvik emerge from the ship. In Synthesis, EDI replaces Liara. Which leads to...

  • Does Joker snag your LI if you do not chose the stupid synthesis ending? Man Joker the body isn't even cold yet.

  • What was the point of gathering all those assets, never really felt their impact. Feels like a waste of time now.

  • Did everyone die on the citadel? Really why do all those sidequests if they all die.

  • Did the Citadel blow up? Do not remember seeing it blow up, but Destroy ending implies that it would be destroyed which again possibly killing more people. Man Destroy ending really sucks.

  • So did only the normady crew survive the blast? Is the stargazers decendants of the normandy crew?

  • Do they build a monument to Shepard and place Liara's beacon on it. If so can we see is in the "extended-cut"

  • If the Citadel survives do they form a new council? If so, who joins it?

  • What does Shepard's LI do? Since Bioware decided to go with the Cliche "artisic" Death-only ending for Shepard what is their reaction to Shepard's sacrifice? Honestly the Heroic Sacrifice ending cliche trend is kinda lame. Oh yeah, Star Wars would have been soooo much better if Luke had died on the Death Star and we were given just short montage before end to credits. The heroic death loses it's impact when it is no longer significant. No matter what you chose you get the same outcome. It is unavoidable, and in its current presentation forgetable stacked next to the other deaths of supporting characters such as Mordin, for example. If it would have been one for other alternate endings I think it would have had more of an impact. Also, since this was the last of the saga. Ultimate Failure should have been an ending. Instead of Stargazers we could have had a short scene with an evolved ME1 space-cow or space-monkey race discovering Shepard'd Beacon about the Reapers. Now that is artistic...
And now just a little more venting. There are only a few games which I have come to enjoy and love so much. And of those this is the only one to have torqued me in such a manner:

Shepard's death has to be meaningful. Why? Not only because he is the main hero but because you already have awesome deaths in ME3. Mordin, Thane, and Legion's deaths are awsome. Shepard's forced death looses impact compared to them. Ok I will choose A,B, or C to win game die and get a RGB color ending. After those 3 deaths witness, Shepard's death is clitche. It is already heavily overshadowed by the last talks with your crew. Basically you guys had already announced your intentions. Had their been a way for Shepard to survive that would have been suprising. Instead you went the predictable kill the protagonist in the saga's end route. In a game series were you gave us the players to contruct or own game and to some extent story, this pull back of the controls left me a little jilted. Why replay the game the out come is always the same. Because you re-used the ending cut-scene for all endings. Really this is "artistic"?

The final mission of the game should have been more epic. Military War assets should have mattered more. An evolved ME2 Suicide mission choice usage system would have been awesome. Choices and assets you made/aquired throught out the game(s) to have an visable impact on the last leg of the game would have been nice. We saw a hint of this on the Rannach chapter where you gave orders to the Quarian fleet. At Earh it should have been like that but tenfold. Hell man this was EARTH! Instead it was lackluster grind to the beam.

Also, shame on you guys. You have an achivement that says "you defeat and old foe". I thought yes!, I finally get to beat the crap out of that smug Harbinger. Only to be denied the satifaction. In the end there is no end boss really. Just the ghost of the kid that died at the beginning claiming to be the Catalyst that controls the Reapers that lives in the citadel and makes you choose 1 of 3 endings of the game; which are all basically the same ending due to you gave none of them their own indenty so there is no real context to how they are differ in their impact to the saga's end.

The fact that you need to clarify things should be a clue to how bad you failed at the ending of such a great epic saga. I do not know why Bioware is "hell yes" proud of this. I would feel better if the reason for the lame ending(s) of the game was because EA imposed a dealine and Bioware's old mantra "It's done with it's done" is a thing of the past. Things got complicated, EA imposed multiplayer and that ate up resources and so that was the reason for the rush ending. That would explain why the final parts of the game pale to others such as Tuchanka and Rannach.

I hope you can pull this off with the "clarification" to the ending(s). When all the endings are basically the same no matter what you did in all 3 games it makes it hard to be impressed. Make the 3 endings actually different. They should have their own identity not just a different coat of paint. And really who came up with the stupid synthesis idea. Shame on you. The best ending should not be about forcing everyone to shed their own personal individuality to conform to masses. We can all be different and still learn to get along. Just look at our own human race. We have come a long way. We still have a long way to go, but humanity is still evolving. We will get there one day without space-magic.

Because Mass Effect has been a series of choice and consquence, your choice on the direction of how you conduct yourselves have left me with ME3 probably be the last Bioware game I will buy. Not that I won't play Bioware games anymore. I imagine I will. I just won't buy them at retail anymore. I will look to rent or buy used. EA's day one exclusive tricks have not impressed me enough. I would feel better renting them thru Gamefly or buying them later when they hit the used-bin.

Over-reacting? Perhaps. But I have seen the quality of work that I hold for Bioware degrade. In my ignorance I would blame this on the EA aquistition of Bioware. I tend to think Bioware's creative control is now compromise with the new managements money-making goals. After DA2 and ME3 I just don't have the love I once had for Bioware.

Done. Sorry for taking up so much text-space. It was very therapeutic though.

Modifié par BoneDealer, 09 avril 2012 - 11:39 .


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pipemaster9000 wrote...

You contend against majority then. Please, explain the ending. I wish to be enlightened. 3 choices? Seriously? I distinctly remember being told it would not be an " A, B, or C ending." The end results were completely different.


How contending against majority counts as being wrong? Most of those hating the ending demand they have the right to voice their hate for it. Yet when there's someone who disagrees with it, he automatically loses the right? I'm sorry, but I'm fairly certain that's A) Unfair, B) Shortsighted and C) plain wrong.

And well, you didn't get an A/B/C ending. The whole game was an end, not just the final five minutes. And it was far from ABC.

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GarrusVFan wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Happy Easter all.....I am a day late I know but family time is more important than ME time.


Did you come on here just to imply that the people who spend time here debating and talking about what is important to them, is a waste of time and they have no life?

And concerning your post before that; you have obviously missed the entire reason this thread exists, and I'm not about to attempt to re-explain it to you.  If you're satisfied with the current endings as they are, g4u, but the rest of us are not.

Ane yes, we feel entitled to an ending without 30+ plotholes, amidst the mutiple other issues with the current endings.


No point in reasoning with him, talking to a Troll is like attempting to explain color to the blind. Had the endings at least made sense I wouldn't be on this forum. Then again, had they made sense, the ending would have probably been good.

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pipemaster9000 wrote...

No point in reasoning with him, talking to a Troll is like attempting to explain color to the blind. Had the endings at least made sense I wouldn't be on this forum. Then again, had they made sense, the ending would have probably been good.


And there we go again. Someone having a different opinion being disregarded as a troll/dimwitted/not true fan, his opinions don't matter...

And you blame the Reapers for doing the same? 

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I have to wonder why Thanatos144 bothers. he knows that most here think he's making an ass of himself. He doesn't accomplish much beyond people proving that he's just going for contention considering he doesn't actually provide any reasonable arguments to any points made in a reasonable manner.

note this isn't meant as an attack, just an observation. I admire the fact he believes strongly in the current endings, That's his choice, but his actions do not do justice to his beliefs.

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Thanatos, scroll a few pages back and reply to me quoting you, would you kindly? I'll keep trying to knock some sense into you, you see..

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Changer the Elder wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

You contend against majority then. Please, explain the ending. I wish to be enlightened. 3 choices? Seriously? I distinctly remember being told it would not be an " A, B, or C ending." The end results were completely different.


How contending against majority counts as being wrong? Most of those hating the ending demand they have the right to voice their hate for it. Yet when there's someone who disagrees with it, he automatically loses the right? I'm sorry, but I'm fairly certain that's A) Unfair, B) Shortsighted and C) plain wrong.

And well, you didn't get an A/B/C ending. The whole game was an end, not just the final five minutes. And it was far from ABC.


I didn't say he was wrong, please don't assume. When he actively challenges another's opinion on the matter he deserves the retort he gets. Yeah, he has a right to talk, not to bash another person's opinion. If you feel that he does reserve this right then it need to be brought to a different medium. This isn't a debate thread between fans, BioWare could care less to see that. The little A, B, and C thing there is cute. However, it serves no purpose here. Don't defend someone who brought it upon themselves to attempt to Troll.

Yes, we did get an A, B, or C ending. The ending to ME3 made no sense regardless if the whole game was an ending.

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Changer the Elder wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

No point in reasoning with him, talking to a Troll is like attempting to explain color to the blind. Had the endings at least made sense I wouldn't be on this forum. Then again, had they made sense, the ending would have probably been good.


And there we go again. Someone having a different opinion being disregarded as a troll/dimwitted/not true fan, his opinions don't matter...

And you blame the Reapers for doing the same? 


Are you new to the internet? Do you know what Trolls aim to do? He slandered this whole thread and everyone in it regarding easter. Please, stop defending the Troll. Again, this isn't a debate thread. If you wanna talk about it PM me.

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pipemaster9000 wrote...

I didn't say he was wrong, please don't assume. When he actively challenges another's opinion on the matter he deserves the retort he gets. Yeah, he has a right to talk, not to bash another person's opinion. If you feel that he does reserve this right then it need to be brought to a different medium. This isn't a debate thread between fans, BioWare could care less to see that. The little A, B, and C thing there is cute. However, it serves no purpose here. Don't defend someone who brought it upon themselves to attempt to Troll.

Yes, we did get an A, B, or C ending. The ending to ME3 made no sense regardless if the whole game was an ending.


I'm sorry, but saying things like "You contend against the majority" and "Don't reason with him, he's a troll" are more than an assumption, it's outright telling "Yes, there's more of us, your opinion doesn't matter because we don't like it". And as far as "Don't defend someone who..." goes, it's my free time and my free will. I can take anyone's side. It's exactly what you're calling for for the endings, after all.

And as far as the endings go, it's a matter of perspective and opinion. To me, it made sense. It's execution was far from perfect, let alone flawless, but general ideas did make sense to me. And I'm not the only one. Yes, we appear to be a minority, but it doesn't mean we are wrong. Or that you are wrong. We merely differ in consensus because we see it from a different angle. That doesn't give you the right to call anyone a troll.

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GarrusVFan wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Happy Easter all.....I am a day late I know but family time is more important than ME time.


Did you come on here just to imply that the people who spend time here debating and talking about what is important to them, is a waste of time and they have no life?

And concerning your post before that; you have obviously missed the entire reason this thread exists, and I'm not about to attempt to re-explain it to you.  If you're satisfied with the current endings as they are, g4u, but the rest of us are not.

Ane yes, we feel entitled to an ending without 30+ plotholes, amidst the mutiple other issues with the current endings.


Best to ignore him. People that disagree with each other were having meaningful and insightful conversations until he logged on.

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BoneDealer ->


I tried to quote you but there was already too much text? :huh:

I agree with you about the questions that need to be answered. I am just concerned about how they are going to do it. The current endings little to the imagination as to, for example, how The Normandy ends up on some other planet with LI and squad members you used in the last fight. Lorically, that is.

I can however imagine to some extent your LI trying to run to the beam in terror hoping you are still alive, while being pulled back by the rest of your team... After that it's difficult to see how they can extend it with out it not making sense again.

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Changer the Elder wrote...
And there we go again. Someone having a different opinion being disregarded as a troll/dimwitted/not true fan, his opinions don't matter...

And you blame the Reapers for doing the same? 


Changer, the point is not that he disagrees with the majority here. The point is that he has been haunting this thread for days now, provoking people by calling them entitled, whiny fanbrats and when someone actually tries to start a debate with him, he cops out and calls any reasonable argument BS just because it goes against what he says. Apparently, he is not willing or even able of having a decent exchange of arguments, despite numerous attempts from other users who have tried to have a civil discussion with him over and over and over again.
His sole purpose here is to provoke, not to engage in a debate with others.

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Changer the Elder wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

No point in reasoning with him, talking to a Troll is like attempting to explain color to the blind. Had the endings at least made sense I wouldn't be on this forum. Then again, had they made sense, the ending would have probably been good.


And there we go again. Someone having a different opinion being disregarded as a troll/dimwitted/not true fan, his opinions don't matter...

And you blame the Reapers for doing the same? 


I think you're misunderstanding a tad. Thanatos seems to feel the need to comment to almost every post he disagrees with, butting into the middle of conversations with no real logic or reasoning and then calling people childish or entitled. You however, although you might disagree with someone will have a respectful, insightful and logical conversation with someone going into great detail why you believe what you believe and even concede to another's opinion and logic. 

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The ending made me physically sick. 100+ hours of gameplay and immersive storylines ruined in the final 15 mins.

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Changer, the point is not that he disagrees with the majority here. The point is that he has been haunting this thread for days now, provoking people by calling them entitled, whiny fanbrats and when someone actually tries to start a debate with him, he cops out and calls any reasonable argument BS just because it goes against what he says. Apparently, he is not willing or even able of having a decent exchange of arguments, despite numerous attempts from other users who have tried to have a civil discussion with him over and over and over again.
His sole purpose here is to provoke, not to engage in a debate with others.


Yes, I'm quite aware of that. Notice I'm not actually defending him but rather calling people out on pouring oil to the flameware. As I said, there are ignorant people on both sides of the fence.
But just because attempts to reason with him are fruitless, it doesn't mean people have to stoop to that spiral again. We've proven over the several past pages we can do better than that. I agree that people who hate the endings do not deserve to be called names just for their stance. But people who like them are equally deserving.
Statements like those I called out for are simply... not fair. Easier, yes, but not fair.

@ garytwine: That said, my issue is merely with that one paragraph, which appears to be going back to namecalling between the barricades. I was probably too eager to jump on that conclusion, I apologize for that, but still, even though I read it in retrospect and try to take it from different angle, it seems dangerously close to the discussions we are trying to avoid here.

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Changer the Elder wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

I didn't say he was wrong, please don't assume. When he actively challenges another's opinion on the matter he deserves the retort he gets. Yeah, he has a right to talk, not to bash another person's opinion. If you feel that he does reserve this right then it need to be brought to a different medium. This isn't a debate thread between fans, BioWare could care less to see that. The little A, B, and C thing there is cute. However, it serves no purpose here. Don't defend someone who brought it upon themselves to attempt to Troll.

Yes, we did get an A, B, or C ending. The ending to ME3 made no sense regardless if the whole game was an ending.


I'm sorry, but saying things like "You contend against the majority" and "Don't reason with him, he's a troll" are more than an assumption, it's outright telling "Yes, there's more of us, your opinion doesn't matter because we don't like it". And as far as "Don't defend someone who..." goes, it's my free time and my free will. I can take anyone's side. It's exactly what you're calling for for the endings, after all.

And as far as the endings go, it's a matter of perspective and opinion. To me, it made sense. It's execution was far from perfect, let alone flawless, but general ideas did make sense to me. And I'm not the only one. Yes, we appear to be a minority, but it doesn't mean we are wrong. Or that you are wrong. We merely differ in consensus because we see it from a different angle. That doesn't give you the right to call anyone a troll.


Okay, this the last time I am talking to you. Don't put words in my mouth, and don't assume. Further more, don't contradict yourself by telling me that I don't have a right to do something. I didn't denounce his right to anything, I asked for him to explain himself. Which he has not done yet. I will call anyone a Troll as I see fit, there is enough of his posts (do some digging) to support my claim. If you're mad because I think he is Trolling, then tough, you aren't gonna change my opinion on it.

By the way, PM = Private Message. I have told you already to PM me if you feel that you need to talk about this. This thread is not for pointing fingers at other fans, so stop. "You contend against majority" Was stated as a fact, nothing more. 

I have no doubt you are just gonna re-quote this anyway, I'm not gonna waste my time arguing. Good Day.

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Changer the Elder wrote...

GarrusVFan wrote...

True, we won't know what will be on the dlc, but we know what won't be on the dlc as Bioware has already released a statement regarding that.

It will not be new endings.  All they plan on doing is adding a few cut scenes, and dialogues and in an attempt to "clarify" their half-assed ending(s). 
It's not anything that's going to redeem bioware.  Since it is going to be a free dlc, they are going to put pretty much no work into it, and really the end result will be no different (if not worse) than the current situation and opinions regarding the ending(s).


But sometimes, extra footage is all it takes to make something great. Even three seconds can make a difference in some movies.

I mean, it's not like lot of videogames, ME included, are not telling the same most basic story - a hero saved the world. Mass Effect 1 is pretty much following that trope to the T - ancient prophecy, big bad villain you beat against all odds, everyone trying to derail you from your mission minus the one exeption in a league of obstructing bureaucrats (Anderson) helping you out, risking being a scapegoat in the process, playing big damn heroes with your only band of faithful brothers (okay, and sisters, to prevent Ashley, Liara and Chakwas from rebelling... man, if those three ganged up on me, they'd scare me worse than Sovereign ever could...), even pulling of something as cheesy as the main character's Disney death in the end without giving anyone a pause to think about it. There's been many movies telling that very same story. And then there's been Mass Effect. So extra footage can help. It makes and breaks things as easilly as the plot does.

As mentioned before, no one knows how it's going to end up, me included. For what I know, it might be a catastrophe. But I'm steadfast in my belief that Bioware doesn't deserve the backlash it's getting for simply announcing a free extra content.

P.S. Nice nick, I definitely approve. :)


First off, thanks for the compliment.  Garrus is one of the main reasons I played Mass Effect.  (I went more into detail with that on this same thread: 
http://social.biowar...61/362#10434535 Not trying to draw attention to myself, but I figure if you like Garrus as well we might have a bit more in common ^_^)

Anyway, I didn't really feel that ME1 put off that sort of "vibe".  Granted, I started my journey through the Mass Effect universe from #2, but I'm sure it was pretty obvious to anyone who started Mass Effect from the beginning knew, by the end of ME1, that Sarren was the beginning of the end.

I realize a lot of people believe that there is a lot of people out there who are "o.k" with Shepard dying in the end, you know... "self sacrifice for the greater good" type of thing, or, "a good soldier always puts the mission first even if that means death", I am not one of them.  The best ending possible, (Shepard surviving, having a happy ending with his/her love interest, showing the Geth&Quarians on their home planet, the Krogan re-establishing themselves, earth rebuilding, etc.) should have been attainable, although, extremley difficult and time consuming. Like... play through ME1 to ME3 with the same character and do everything you can in ME3 to prepare for the Reapers. (or something to that effect)

The only reason that people are getting irate about something that hasn't even been released yet is simply because of the details Bioware has released.  Most, don't want an explination, nor do we want "clarification" of the ending.  It's like Bioware believes their "artistic views" were too brilliant to be understood by us, mere commoners, so they want to go over it with us, more slowly this time. 

Not only that, but this thread, the majority of it's comments, and the thousands before it are being disregarded in a manner that is almost as insulting to the fan-base as the endings were.  Bioware is basically saying, "We appreciate your feedback, but the hundreds upon thousands of you are wrong, and we are right, deal with it."

I do understand where you are coming from though.  97% of ME3 was brilliant.  An emotional rollercoaster ranging from flat out hilarious dialogue to the more tear-jerking death/goodbye scenes throughout the game.  There is no doubt that, from ME 1 to 97% of ME 3 was arguably, the best sci-fi journey/adventure of our generation, and Bioware is to be creditted and praised for it.  
It just all comes down to the ending(s).  Bioware was wrong, flat out, no arguments, wrong.  Now, they won't admit it, and they feel shoving it down our throats through a free dlc (like it being free makes up for it) is the way to bring more perspective, in an attempt to sway the fans.  Honestly, I don't know which of those aspects is worse.

So does Bioware deserve another chance? Yes.  I honestly, hope I'm wrong.  In a strange way, I hope Bioware was lying with the details that they released, and that they actually plan on going through with something like the Indoctrination theory.  One of my big concerns though, is the time frame that they quoted.  They wanted to release it in the summer.  From now, even till mid/late summer, I don't think they have enough time to create anything that would qualify as a "proper ending".  Can they pull in all of the voice actors?  My bet on that one, is a big "NO".  Which means, at best, the extra dialogue and cut scenes will feature (at best), Joker, Shepard, Hackett, and Anderson, and they will (yet again) give the more important crew members, "the shaft".

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pipemaster9000 wrote...

You contend against majority then. Please, explain the ending. I wish to be enlightened. 3 choices? Seriously? I distinctly remember being told it would not be an " A, B, or C ending." The end results were completely different.

Do you mean for this game? well you dont have to make to earth or the crucible or it can miss fire and kill in at least two different
ways....Thats 4 more ending right there and not to mention who is left
after....Just like the second game...

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GarrusVFan wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Happy Easter all.....I am a day late I know but family time is more important than ME time.


Did you come on here just to imply that the people who spend time here debating and talking about what is important to them, is a waste of time and they have no life?

And concerning your post before that; you have obviously missed the entire reason this thread exists, and I'm not about to attempt to re-explain it to you.  If you're satisfied with the current endings as they are, g4u, but the rest of us are not.

Ane yes, we feel entitled to an ending without 30+ plotholes, amidst the mutiple other issues with the current endings.

Holy crap maybe you need to take some meds I just said the reason I was late saying it was cause I spent time with my family which is important......

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The forum re-posted my post as a quote :blink: so I deleted it the only way I know how.

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Thanatos.......Happy Easter. Hope you had a good time.

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Changer the Elder wrote...
Yes, I'm quite aware of that. Notice I'm not actually defending him but rather calling people out on pouring oil to the flameware. As I said, there are ignorant people on both sides of the fence.
But just because attempts to reason with him are fruitless, it doesn't mean people have to stoop to that spiral again. We've proven over the several past pages we can do better than that. I agree that people who hate the endings do not deserve to be called names just for their stance. But people who like them are equally deserving.
Statements like those I called out for are simply... not fair. Easier, yes, but not fair.

That is true. Though I doubt that people here think Thanatos is an idiot because he thinks the endings are good, but because he actively provokes people and they feel the urge respond to that. I agree the best solution is to just ignore him and report his ass for spam and causing shambles here. I've had my share of "conversation" with this guy as well and after I noticed that he's unwilling to react to my arguments (or anyone's, really) in the least, I left it at that and started to ignore him.

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Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos, scroll a few pages back and reply to me quoting you, would you kindly? I'll keep trying to knock some sense into you, you see..

How far back are a few pages? I dont want to spend my entire day off look for a post LOL

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Thanatos144 wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

You contend against majority then. Please, explain the ending. I wish to be enlightened. 3 choices? Seriously? I distinctly remember being told it would not be an " A, B, or C ending." The end results were completely different.

Do you mean for this game? well you dont have to make to earth or the crucible or it can miss fire and kill in at least two different
ways....Thats 4 more ending right there and not to mention who is left
after....Just like the second game...



Well, I see what you are saying but, those are minor, at best, variations of an A, B, or C ending. They are nice touches but, when you did loyalty missions in ME2 or.... you let them get waxed, you had more control in those options. You actually got to know those characters. If they all survived you are left with a scene of everyone hanging out/ getting ready for the next fight. That last scene provides closure, along with talking to TIM. If some of them died you are given a scene viewing their coffin. Thats closure. ME3 lacks that closure. The Normandy crash landing somewhere and the crew surviving is heroic but, doesn't make any sense chronologically or physically. Almost closure but not quite. At the ending of 1 & 2 I was left asking "Whats next!? When is the sequel coming out!?" These questions are okay, imo. ME3 leaves us with far more questions than answers. Questions that I didn't expect to be asking about this game, especially playing through it.

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ifritanshiva wrote...

Thanatos.......Happy Easter. Hope you had a good time.

Heck yea my mother inlaw made ribs!!!!!!