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[nerdy22]

What i mostly hated about he ending was that it doesn't feel like a real ending.(this is why I like IT.)
Every time a story introduces a deus ex machina I cross my fingers and hope they don't overdo it or ruin the plot.

the Catalyst was the most disappointing thing of the ending. mosty because it contradicts itself.

"I control the reapers. they are my solution" and then it says "the created will always rebel against their creators."
so? are the reapers rebeling against their creators? seems not because the catalyst still controls them(which seems odd because each reaper is itsown nation)

why did the reapers were created? to bring order to the chaos.
they destroy organic civ. so that they cant create synthetics.
but organic = chaos
synthetic = order

so they basicly created synthetic life to prefend organic life to create synthetic life. (lets create order so that chaos cant creat order.)

but the most contradicting thing is that the Catalyst lies. It says that all the options will kill you even the destroy option because you're part synthetic but the destroy option is the only option that doesn't kill you.(probably)

ps: when I saw the ending after I played the game and the indoctrination theory I actually thought there was going to be an expansion sort of dlc but the more I looked online it seems more unlikely

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

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and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone



 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E

again look at those links I've mentioned elder then you will understand ^^

[LiarasShield]

I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another

[Jassu1979]

The reapers are not dumb machines created for a single purpose. Throughout the series (including ME3), they were established as inscrutable hyper-intelligences, not vainglorious VIs with delusions of grandeur.
Even AIs that are considerably simpler are pretty much defined by the fact that they're not mere slaves to their programming, but an independent consciousness capable of making its own choices.

In fact, Legion in ME2 explains them with these words:
"Transcended flesh. Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. "Each a nation."" (That last one is actually a quote from Sovereign.)

In ME3, after experiencing direct contact with their minds, he says that he now understands why people might think of them as godlike creatures, even if they're clearly not divine.

[LiarasShield]

this really doesn't sound that unreasonable

[mthomas45]

Jassu1979 wrote...

The reapers are not dumb machines created for a single purpose. Throughout the series (including ME3), they were established as inscrutable hyper-intelligences, not vainglorious VIs with delusions of grandeur.
Even AIs that are considerably simpler are pretty much defined by the fact that they're not mere slaves to their programming, but an independent consciousness capable of making its own choices.

In fact, Legion in ME2 explains them with these words:
"Transcended flesh. Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies. "Each a nation."" (That last one is actually a quote from Sovereign.)

In ME3, after experiencing direct contact with their minds, he says that he now understands why people might think of them as godlike creatures, even if they're clearly not divine.

Yeah, its like in ME3 they were reduced to starchild's science project or something.  They were so intimidating and imposing in the first 2 games and even halfway through ME3, but the end just made them seem like little puppets.

[Lordambitious]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

Lordambitious wrote...

 

Haha nice LordAmbitious.

Also I've been thinking. How much money will EA actually spend on making the Extended Cut DLC? They won't be making a profit out of it. As such will the extended cut dlc be of good quality? I said of good quality becaue I don't want the extended cut in the first place! I want new endings that actually made sense!

EA doesn't want to cave to pressure, because that would set the precedent that what fans want matter, and would involve them admitting they screwed up on the ending. However, the 80 thousand raised for sick kids and the 1000 raised for cupcakes makes the fans look awesome in the media, and EA looks like:devil: for refusing to do anything. So they release the "extended cut" DLC. The Media reports that EA is giving fans what they want (Even though it's just polishing a turd, and not what we asked for) and when fans point this out, EA can just respond with "We gave you what you wanted!" and then every news story will paint us as whiners and probably include quotes from Thanatos as a false equivalency saying "even the fans are divided on the ending" even though he's just one troll on the forum.

[Changer the Elder]

LiarasShield wrote...
again look at those links I've mentioned elder then you will understand ^^

As mentioned before, I do understand why fans are upset about certain things. But I still do not agree with most of them.

[LiarasShield]

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and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone



 




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Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache

Modifié par LiarasShield, 09 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[Aalehnahr]

 My favorite part?  The ending.

I know the ending of ME3 has generated an inundation of negative feedback for those of you at BioWare.  This feedback, from my point of view, is based on an inability to appreciate artistic creativity, and the deeper implications of the choice-laden reality you have set forth in this universe.  As someone who played the game almost exclusively for the story line (though the rest was stellar as well), I could not think of a better ending.  The tension that had been mounting through all three games found its perfect climax in the decisions that required such sacrifice.  In the end, the daring that BioWare showed through their willingness to bring death and chaos into this game could not have reached its completion without an out of the player's hands experience that gives him or her an incredibly emotional existential experience of the kind of thing life demands.  Because of the daring of BioWare, this story will live on not only because it was told well, and not only because it played well, but because it gripped our hearts and touched the deeper realities of living.

What BioWare has created is a piece of art.  Good art always has darkness, shades of deepening shadow.  If we destroy this art through our own desire for it to be above reality, we will do a disservice to the art form that video games can achieve.  This is in incredible step toward making video games something of real lasting value.

In short, thank you BioWare.  Keep up the vision, and keep pushing the boundaries.

Aalehn

P.S. - for those of you on this forum who wish to debate this reply, feel free.  I will not be able to respond, though, at least in any timely fashion.  Carry on without me.

[LiarasShield]

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and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone



 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E[/quote]
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Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache[/quote]

I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another

[Holger1405]

Omnike wrote...



Lol, you've got to stop quoting yourself. I promise we saw you.

LiarasShield wrote...




I have already stated zillions of posts ago that the extended dlc might be ok but what your not getting is that alot of the feedback was to change the endings that were not that good not to try to explain the crappy endings with the god child through extended epilogue

Yup, saw it the first time...
and I get it, it was very hard not to get it reading this Thread. And I saw all the Videos to.

I even agree to a few Points in them, (plot holes, and so forth) but the overall logic of the endings isn't  a problem for my. I just see this different.   
I'm sorry that you don't like the "Godchild" ending. I, on the other hand, notice possibilities for future ME titles in it.  

Modifié par Holger1405, 09 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[Lioneli]

So the Reapers, the most advanced AI in the universe, far more advanced then Geth, are just the dogs on the leach for some starbrat. Thats not even funny. That just sad.

[Lioneli]

So the Reapers, the most advanced AI in the universe, far more advanced then Geth, are just the dogs on the leach for some starbrat. Thats not even funny. That just sad.

[Lioneli]

And all their logic about why they are doing this is nonsense, they are just following orders from starbrat.

[Jackal7713]

Lordambitious wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

Lordambitious wrote...

 

Haha nice LordAmbitious.

Also I've been thinking. How much money will EA actually spend on making the Extended Cut DLC? They won't be making a profit out of it. As such will the extended cut dlc be of good quality? I said of good quality becaue I don't want the extended cut in the first place! I want new endings that actually made sense!

EA doesn't want to cave to pressure, because that would set the precedent that what fans want matter, and would involve them admitting they screwed up on the ending. However, the 80 thousand raised for sick kids and the 1000 raised for cupcakes makes the fans look awesome in the media, and EA looks like:devil: for refusing to do anything. So they release the "extended cut" DLC. The Media reports that EA is giving fans what they want (Even though it's just polishing a turd, and not what we asked for) and when fans point this out, EA can just respond with "We gave you what you wanted!" and then every news story will paint us as whiners and probably include quotes from Thanatos as a false equivalency saying "even the fans are divided on the ending" even though he's just one troll on the forum.

Thats way I would say to just not buy DLC or any new products from Bioware/EA. 

[Changer the Elder]

I doubt they are just henchmen following Catalyst's orders. No one knows how exactly do they work or think, but Harbinger and Sovereign both are way more than that. They know exactly what they're doing and why, regardless whether they know for whom.

"We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite. Rudimentary creatures of blood and flesh. You touch my mind, fumbling in ignorance. Incapable of understanding. There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you can't even imagine it.  I am beyond your comprehension."

"We impose order on the chaos of organic evolution. The Cycle cannot be broken."

"You exist because we allow it and you will end because we demand it."

That was waaaaay back on Virmire. So it's not like the whole "Catalyst and its logic" was a plot thrown in at the end of production when they ran out of time.

Modifié par Changer the Elder, 09 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[LiarasShield]

and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone



 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E[/quote]
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Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache[/quote]

I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another [/quote]

I just hope that even if they were rushed or whatever I just hope in the end all of the fans can get a decent ending and that our choices and war assets matter please for the love of god and any other religious figure that exists is that really too much to ask for.....

Modifié par LiarasShield, 09 avril 2012 - 06:19 .

[Caprea]

Lioneli wrote...

So the Reapers, the most advanced AI in the universe, far more advanced then Geth, are just the dogs on the leach for some starbrat. Thats not even funny. That just sad.

I second this. Which leads me to the question just how exactly harvested organic species can be turned into the most advanced synthetic life form to be ever seen. I don't get it. But then again, I doubt my question will be answered anytime soon...

[Holger1405]

Jackal7713 wrote...

Lordambitious wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

Lordambitious wrote...

 

Haha nice LordAmbitious.

Also I've been thinking. How much money will EA actually spend on making the Extended Cut DLC? They won't be making a profit out of it. As such will the extended cut dlc be of good quality? I said of good quality becaue I don't want the extended cut in the first place! I want new endings that actually made sense!

EA doesn't want to cave to pressure, because that would set the precedent that what fans want matter, and would involve them admitting they screwed up on the ending. However, the 80 thousand raised for sick kids and the 1000 raised for cupcakes makes the fans look awesome in the media, and EA looks like:devil: for refusing to do anything. So they release the "extended cut" DLC. The Media reports that EA is giving fans what they want (Even though it's just polishing a turd, and not what we asked for) and when fans point this out, EA can just respond with "We gave you what you wanted!" and then every news story will paint us as whiners and probably include quotes from Thanatos as a false equivalency saying "even the fans are divided on the ending" even though he's just one troll on the forum.

Thats way I would say to just not buy DLC or any new products from Bioware/EA. 

Well. you can do what you want, I, on the other hand, will buy from Bioware in the future. All the DLC's for ME3 and also new games.

For the Troll Part, see this:

Changer the Elder wrote...

pipemaster9000 wrote...

I didn't say he was wrong, please don't assume. When he actively challenges another's opinion on the matter he deserves the retort he gets. Yeah, he has a right to talk, not to bash another person's opinion. If you feel that he does reserve this right then it need to be brought to a different medium. This isn't a debate thread between fans, BioWare could care less to see that. The little A, B, and C thing there is cute. However, it serves no purpose here. Don't defend someone who brought it upon themselves to attempt to Troll.

Yes, we did get an A, B, or C ending. The ending to ME3 made no sense regardless if the whole game was an ending.

I'm sorry, but saying things like "You contend against the majority" and "Don't reason with him, he's a troll" are more than an assumption, it's outright telling "Yes, there's more of us, your opinion doesn't matter because we don't like it". And as far as "Don't defend someone who..." goes, it's my free time and my free will. I can take anyone's side. It's exactly what you're calling for for the endings, after all.

And as far as the endings go, it's a matter of perspective and opinion. To me, it made sense. It's execution was far from perfect, let alone flawless, but general ideas did make sense to me. And I'm not the only one. Yes, we appear to be a minority, but it doesn't mean we are wrong. Or that you are wrong. We merely differ in consensus because we see it from a different angle. That doesn't give you the right to call anyone a troll.

[Esorevik]

I have to agree with many others, the whole game was awesome (may be except the WTF moment at the end). One of my favorite parts was the scene of the combined fleets arriving and engaging  the Reaper Fleet above Earth, I felt the adrenaline rush every time I saw that scene!!

And Bioware Staff, THANK YOU for the Multiplayer DLC and Thank you for the upcoming patch and THANK YOU VERY MUCH for the Extended Cut DLC, that news were what I was just expecting!!!! 

\\(^u^)/ Bioware rules!!

[jeweledleah]

you exist becasue we allow it and you will end becasue we demand it - implies their whim, their choice.

the cucle cannot be broken, implies that they don't have a will, they must continue, regardless of the situation. one is an inscrutable enemy, the other is. pawn? yeah...

incidentally, just found another "favorite" moment. getting Liara and Aethyta to talk. apparently, the same people who bothered to record the same phrase more then once, becasue they wanted a tonal shift... couldn't be bothered to record a friendship version of that encounter?

ok, I can grudgingly buy Aethyta making assumptions (but then Shepard should be able to tell her that they are just friends), but by Thane loyal Shepard going "nobody messes with my girl?" would it have been THAT difficult to record "Nobody messes with my friend" ?

for every great moment, there are moments where they took such obvious annoying shortcuts...

honestly? this shows bad leadership and organization to me. becasue awesome moments are numerous enough to show that yes, these are dedicated creative individuals who care about their work, invest their hearts into it. but there's only so much each individual can do.

[LiarasShield]

and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone



 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M0Cf864P7E[/quote]
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Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache[/quote]

I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another [/quote]

I just hope that even if they were rushed or whatever I just hope in the end all of the fans can get a decent ending and that our choices and war assets matter please for the love of god and any other religious figure that exists is that really too much to ask for.....


I just wish they could figure a way to satisfie the people who hated the ending for decent valid reasons and give them a option a getting a newer or better ending while keep the core 3 endings for the fans that liked them so everybody could win and we could stop fighting each other once and for all otherwise we will be at each others throat forever

[LiarasShield]

this I think we can all agree on? that if this doesn't get resolved one way or another we will be fighting each other forever?

[Caprea]

Changer the Elder wrote...
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That was waaaaay back on Virmire. So it's not like the whole "Catalyst and its logic" was a plot thrown in at the end of production when they ran out of time.

But that exactly is the problem, Changer, isn't it? It's not only a major stylistic inconsistency to introduce a completely new character literally the last five minutes of a game (or any narrative medium, for that matter) - it's a death sentence for the whole story and its logic because the AI in ME3 is such an important character who drives the plot forward (even so much that Shepard is rendered meaningless in the process). The players are forced to re-adjust their thinking, for their knowledge about the universe they used to think to know is completely thrown in disarray. You know, if the AI's existence would have been at least hinted at somewhere in the game, anywhere, anytime - it would have been easier to accept it and its role in the play. But there have been no hints on this plot-driving, important character whatsoever. It's only logical people would bring it into question.