Changer the Elder wrote... I'm digging through the files for Victory's (or Vendetta's, I can never tell which one's which) quotes from the Cronos station.It's either on Thessia, or on Cronos station, now I'm not entirely sure. But I'll post it here as soon as I'm successful. I'll also try to dig for the others, but it's going to take some time, I don't have audio extracted from the other two games and my memory's not fresh enough to know where it comes from.
Take your time, but know that I'm very excited for your explanation (in case I haven't forgotten up until then... which would be so me). To be frank, I still don't see how anyone could adjust to be meeting up with that stupid AI. In all honesty, could you? Did you see it coming?
and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone
Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache[/quote]
I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another [/quote]
I just hope that even if they were rushed or whatever I just hope in the end all of the fans can get a decent ending and that our choices and war assets matter please for the love of god and any other religious figure that exists is that really too much to ask for.....
I just wish they could figure a way to satisfie the people who hated the ending for decent valid reasons and give them a option a getting a newer or better ending while keep the core 3 endings for the fans that liked them so everybody could win and we could stop fighting each other once and for all otherwise we will be at each others throat forever [/quote]
The god kid was kinda a no not really I mean a final confrontation with harbinger even if not a boss battle would have been more preferable [/quote]
Well it would been cool if harbinger was truelly the leader instead of the god child that we only saw in the last 5 minutes and the circular logic about how he made synthetic reapers to destroy organics from making other synthetics and destroying or preserving them so that they all wouldn't be killed by synthetics is a bit on the nonsense side but if the character was introduced earlyer and was done well maybe It would be less upsetting [/quote]
nope after playing all the way through and those are you only choices how can you feel like a hero lol[/quote]
What if some of the major or harcore fans don't move on then what lol though we do have some hope for extended? [/quote]
brings another point about starchild who whole point about how the created will always rebel against their creators if that was the case how could we bring peace between the geth and quarians if that was correct why didn't the reapers repel against him in the first place and for the whole reapers are only the starchilds puppets don't make sense because harbinger and soverign both have sentient minds and seem to have their own motivations for doing what they personally want so yes the starchild loses more points and makes less sense [/quote]
Well the hope of bioware making all fans satisfied may be a long way away U-u
@ LittleBlueChildrenNow
Running out of time is a concept that seems to be generally accepted on both sides of the fence as a reason for the closing sequences being pretty much one video edited three times with different overlay effects. Still, even though most of the "pro-enders" acknowledge and even embrace the argument that the game leaves too much empty space for debate and didn't show the consequences that matter to some people (even though they are there, technically), it's usually considered not a major flaw. Definitely not major enough to start hating the whole game, let alone whole trilogy.
well it makes you not want to replay the triliogy again when you get the same ending as everyone else and know that nothing you do affects the ending it is kinda a major sticking point lol
I mean hudson and bioware lieing about the a b c thing and then though 16 differents endings were are actions would matter what exactly happend their bioware you know being lied to is not really cool lol
I think the 'God Child' was more of a physical manifestation created for Shepard to relate too. Much like how Legion explained why the Quarians were still in suits during the Geth VI mission. That's how Shepard relates to something he/she can not comprehend or have knowledge of. The mind creates something tangible for him/her to relate too.
I would have liked to have seen something with Harbinger as well but overall I felt the story was very satisfying. Would I have liked to see Shepard live? Yeah, of course. People like to see their hero live on. At the same time though I am aware of the Self-Sacrificing hero and felt the ending was appropriate as well.
More tidbits of information would be nice like the creation of the Reapers and Citadel but overall I'm very happy with my experience and the story line.
Take your time, but know that I'm very excited for your explanation (in case I haven't forgotten up until then... which would be so me). To be frank, I still don't see how anyone could adjust to be meeting up with that stupid AI. In all honesty, could you? Did you see it coming?
I know it's when Victory mentions "the same peaks of evolution, same valleys of dissolution", where they discuss the possibility of Reapers serving another principle quite literally and not-in-hint-only as in previous occassions. I remember the dialogue with Legion about geth refusing to evolve along the pre-set path also mentions it.
In all honesty? Well, although I haven't actually seen it coming a mile away, I wasn't surprised to see there's actually a force as a "boss" to the Reapers. That's why I sound like a broken record a bit when I say I didn't find the Catalyst or its logic breaking the laws of the ME universe, but cannot say why. It would be like trying to explain why I don't find it strange both Saren and Collector general are just tools for Sovereign/Harbinger. As long as the tune doesn't resonate wrong to me, I'm not able to pinpoint it why it sounds right.
and like I've mentioned I have like 5 to 10 vids link that will explain everything why this ending was not that good and no you war assets don't matter do you see them in the final battle do you know what occurs to the races you brought together hell no you don't right and no the assets you don't see them on the battlefield right now do you thee extended could fix some of these which I hope they do but now for the several links for you people who think the ending is ok if you still think the ending was ok after looking at these videos then I will leave it alone
Well lets hope thee extended does do something if not it will be another head ache[/quote]
I will keep posting those links so that alot of you on the otherside who only think were upset about shepard dieing will understand that we are alot more upset then just that and it will also explain the many plotholes and the reasons why the ending in and of its self should be changed and 10 posts ago why not give the people who want a different ending a different ending and keep the original ending for those who like it instead of having all sides be at war at each other and everybody could win instead of everyone losing or be pissed off at one another [/quote]
I just hope that even if they were rushed or whatever I just hope in the end all of the fans can get a decent ending and that our choices and war assets matter please for the love of god and any other religious figure that exists is that really too much to ask for.....
I just wish they could figure a way to satisfie the people who hated the ending for decent valid reasons and give them a option a getting a newer or better ending while keep the core 3 endings for the fans that liked them so everybody could win and we could stop fighting each other once and for all otherwise we will be at each others throat forever [/quote]
The god kid was kinda a no not really I mean a final confrontation with harbinger even if not a boss battle would have been more preferable [/quote]
Well it would been cool if harbinger was truelly the leader instead of the god child that we only saw in the last 5 minutes and the circular logic about how he made synthetic reapers to destroy organics from making other synthetics and destroying or preserving them so that they all wouldn't be killed by synthetics is a bit on the nonsense side but if the character was introduced earlyer and was done well maybe It would be less upsetting [/quote]
nope after playing all the way through and those are you only choices how can you feel like a hero lol[/quote]
What if some of the major or harcore fans don't move on then what lol though we do have some hope for extended? [/quote]
brings another point about starchild who whole point about how the created will always rebel against their creators if that was the case how could we bring peace between the geth and quarians if that was correct why didn't the reapers repel against him in the first place and for the whole reapers are only the starchilds puppets don't make sense because harbinger and soverign both have sentient minds and seem to have their own motivations for doing what they personally want so yes the starchild loses more points and makes less sense [/quote]
Well the hope of bioware making all fans satisfied may be a long way away U-u[/quote]
I think the 'God Child' was more of a physical manifestation created for Shepard to relate too. Much like how Legion explained why the Quarians were still in suits during the Geth VI mission. That's how Shepard relates to something he/she can not comprehend or have knowledge of. The mind creates something tangible for him/her to relate to.
I believe exactly that was the devs' intention. I do find using the kid a bit unfortunate. I can't say I have a better idea about whom to use. Virmire notSurvivor (is that even appliable) came to mind as an idea, but that probably would've been even more confusing than it is. And despite I came to want to strangle the kid (the forest runs were.. a bit frustrating in their execution), I still find it better than being something like Thorian (new design creepy thing), a disembodied voice or eerie blue faceless cloud.
Well obviously Shepard is haunted by the death of the kid at the beginning of the game. The dreams show what guilt is in his/her subconscious about it so I thought it was rather fitting to show the child again.
At the same time perhaps it's almost a 'child like' idea to have this cycle of destruction and rebirth again and again. So the avatar for the Citadel could have many meanings if you want to get that deep into it.
If you ask me, the story line not only went very deep into Sci-fi it also drew a lot of Eastern movie influence. You watch a lot of Asian film/anime and you see a lot of this representation and ultimate sacrifice angle. It's not common at all in American movies/games and it obviously doesn't sit well with most people.
still the heroic sacrfice doesn't work here cause the destruction of one relays destroy a entire solar system so what shepard triggered made all the relays destroyed which means most of the galaxy is destroyed or damaged beyond repair their is nothing heroic about it
@ LittleBlueChildrenNow Running out of time is a concept that seems to be generally accepted on both sides of the fence as a reason for the closing sequences being pretty much one video edited three times with different overlay effects. Still, even though most of the "pro-enders" acknowledge and even embrace the argument that the game leaves too much empty space for debate and didn't show the consequences that matter to some people (even though they are there, technically), it's usually considered not a major flaw. Definitely not major enough to start hating the whole game, let alone whole trilogy.
Hoping I won't be stoned to death here, for barging into this discussion, but... I agree. I know it's a matter of opinion, but I still maintain that, no matter how much of a pile of BS the ending was in my book, it's not enough to destroy the whole Mass Effect experience for me. It's still the journey that matters, even though you know what awaits you at the end of the road. Is one bad ending (to the whole triology, granted...) enough to destroy three otherwise really great games for you? People should think about the good time they've had with the series, instead of zeroing in on the closure only (or, well, lack therof), even though I do admit it is a very crucial part in the whole series. The bad experiences people have had with ME are disproportionate compared to the good ones, else there wouldn't be so many fans caring about the game. I think people need to get this before refusing to even touch one of the games ever again.
if it was a heroic sacrifice then hell I wouldn't even care about goody two shoes ending I wouldve stfu a long time ago but all the relays destroying the entire galaxy and the fleets being left to die inspace that isn't heroic if their was a heroic ending I wouldn't be pouring my soul into these forums every few mins
I'm just replaying ME2. Just landed on the planet 'Zorya' for Zaeed's loyalty mission. This planet is a jungle. It has two moons, one large the other much smaller. The tree trunks near by and the trees in the distance look just like the ones from ME3's ending where the Normandy crashed. The trees in the horizon are actually 'identical' to the ones from ME3's ending. The very same trees.
Either Bioware got lazy (or smart whichever way you see it) and they reused the planet from ME2 to create a genetic jungle planet for the cinematic or it is actually meant to be the planet they crash landed on.
The weird thing is, the planet is named after, to quote:
"In Slavic mythology the Zorya (alternately, Zora, Zarya, Zory, Zore = "dawn"; Zvezda, Zwezda, Danica = "star") are the two guardian goddesses, known as the Auroras. They guard and watch over the doomsday hound, Simargl, who is chained to the star Polaris in the constellation Ursa Minor, the "little bear". If the chain ever breaks, the hound will devour the constellation and the universe will end."
It's probably just a coincidence but I'm not sure how many other planets have names which have a mythic link to the end of the universe. Could the next trilogy of ME games be centred on saving the universe from a threat much bigger than the Reapers?
still the heroic sacrfice doesn't work here cause the destruction of one relays destroy a entire solar system so what shepard triggered made all the relays destroyed which means most of the galaxy is destroyed or damaged beyond repair their is nothing heroic about it
No, it doesn't mean obliterating entire systems. There's a difference between the relays falling apart from a beam it cannot contain and the relay being hit by a giant hunk of space rock. Frankly, mixing up the batarian relay and the ending of ME3 seems a bit of a straw-grasping move from people trying to paint everything darker than it is.
well with everyone pretty much dead or going to be dead I don't see how they continue the universe espical with the main form of transportation gone....
@ LittleBlueChildrenNow Running out of time is a concept that seems to be generally accepted on both sides of the fence as a reason for the closing sequences being pretty much one video edited three times with different overlay effects. Still, even though most of the "pro-enders" acknowledge and even embrace the argument that the game leaves too much empty space for debate and didn't show the consequences that matter to some people (even though they are there, technically), it's usually considered not a major flaw. Definitely not major enough to start hating the whole game, let alone whole trilogy.
even the most nit picky people aknowledge that overall the trilogy is good. its part of the reason why people are that up in arms about the endings. a while ago, someone compared it to Neo Genesis Evangelion and the comparison is eery, in just how much like dejavu it is.
there are many issues I see with ME3, some are more minor then others, some are more sloppy then others. but I'm also the person who obsesses about imperfect details in her own creations. i can still aknowledge that the sum of the parts is generaly great. I woudln't be stll exploring dialogue options etc if I didn't apreciate the work that went into creating them.
but what the ending does is... imagine if Da Vinci gave Mona Lisa a troll face? its kind of like that. its hard to apreciate the quality of warksmanship, warts and all, when that.... thing keeps drawing your eyes.
P.S. at a different post - bioware did a lot of mythological/thematic naming of the planets. there are systesm with egyption gods as planet names, there's a system where every planet is named after an austronaut, different languages, etc. its one of those little details that does show a great deal of care. at least from some of the people.
Being the hero is never easy, it's been said and brought up during the storyline from ME1 until ME3 several times. The Relays are reaper tech, even with them all destroyed lives still go on. You see that at the end of the credits, even if the majority of the species are gone their are survivors and they were given that chance to survive.
Without that sacrifice and decision they would have been harvested. Breaking the cycle means making hard decisions that seem wrong. Would it have been better for Shepard to just stand there and bleed everywhere instead? I took my swan dive and felt good about it.
And I agree, it totally is an Eva-like ending. Again, that goes back to what I said about the Asian movie/anime influence. If you're into that thing it stands out at the end like a big beacon.
still the heroic sacrfice doesn't work here cause the destruction of one relays destroy a entire solar system so what shepard triggered made all the relays destroyed which means most of the galaxy is destroyed or damaged beyond repair their is nothing heroic about it
No, it doesn't mean obliterating entire systems. There's a difference between the relays falling apart from a beam it cannot contain and the relay being hit by a giant hunk of space rock. Frankly, mixing up the batarian relay and the ending of ME3 seems a bit of a straw-grasping move from people trying to paint everything darker than it is.
it was clearly stated in arrival that was the case and all the exploding shockwaves around each relay point those big explosions only proved that most of the galaxy is gone
Hoping I won't be stoned to death here, for barging into this discussion, but... I agree.
Oh, don't worry, dae. I firmly believe I'm going to deplete the stoning stock, so they'll have to throw bread at you instead. And well... at least it wouldn't be dying hungry
the galaxy being destroyed is more plausible then the whole life starts over again wishful thinking because the normandy doesn't have that many people left after they crash on that planet and we don't know how many died from the ships crash or the shockwave the only ones who will live long enough is edi and liara because edi doesn't have a lifespan and liara lives to be a thousand their isn't enough of them to truely repopulate the race again we were pretty much extinct
I think overall you're just reading too deeply into it. It's a story, it's a game. Like the old man says 'Some of the details have been lost'. It's all good.
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