sefudargo wrote...
here is how to make the fans happy. Retcon the star child. give us a variety of endings that show how our choices mattered. and have closure about what happens after the ending. and make it free.
so far all I'm getting is that they released an incomplete title at full price and then want us to buy DLC ( i hate the message at the end)
FairfaxLessee wrote...
ONLY 4000 EMS? I'm not a math major, but by my calculations to get ONLY 4000 EMS at a 50% rating, you'd need 8000 war assetts-I've done every side quest, saved every person who becomes an asset, and told everyone else to sod off and the highest I can get is somewhere around 7200, so it's not a matter of ONLY getting 4000 EMS.
Rex Fallout wrote...
FairfaxLessee wrote...
ONLY 4000 EMS? I'm not a math major, but by my calculations to get ONLY 4000 EMS at a 50% rating, you'd need 8000 war assetts-I've done every side quest, saved every person who becomes an asset, and told everyone else to sod off and the highest I can get is somewhere around 7200, so it's not a matter of ONLY getting 4000 EMS.
http://www.justpushs...-endings-guide/
That link outlines how you can get shepard to win. You get 4000 EMS at a 50% rating and save Anderson and Shepard can live.
Doesn't matter. Still a ****ty ending. First Bioshock pulls this crap and now Mass Effect? *sigh* Fallout you would never do this to me... would you?
Hey! At least the Lone Wanderer's death meant something. He/she actually managed to give clean water to the Capital Wasteland without screwing it over. :Ijeweledleah wrote...
and Fallout 3 did kinda have.... questionable ending, before Broken Steel came out.
StillOverrated wrote...
jeweledleah wrote...
and Fallout 3 did kinda have.... questionable ending, before Broken Steel came out.
Altough having Fawkes tell my Lone Wanderer that she should kill herself to save the CW becausehe couldn't be botheredit was her destiny (ominous music goes here) was kind of a pain in the rear.
see, if you coudln't recruit him, sure. you can die a hero, or run off into obscurity by getting someone else make that sacrifice for you. its the part where your companion who's immune to the radiation, for some reasons refused to help that makes you go.. huh? still. they fixed that.
Bioware's argument of artistic integrity is not a cheap excuse. They are staying true to their story, their vision. You do not have to like it but it is what it is. Personally I have more respect for them for not changing it. From the announcement of the Extended Cut DLC it sounds like they had planned to release something like this all ready, probably as part of a DLC release that follows up on the 'Shepard breathes' scene.Psythorn wrote...
I just want to let you know that clarification is NOT what I want.
And I want to emphasis that your artistic integrity argument is none but a very cheap excuse - I do not buy!
Yes - pc games are ART but NO that does not make them untouchable or mean that they can't be badly done rubbish...
All of this reminds me of when ME2 came out, there was a discussion about how all of our choices in ME1 had no bearing on the story because Bioware now had a canon Shepard for the folks that never played ME1 (Genesis comic didn't come out till the PS3 version of ME2 nor was it initially available for the X360 when it did). Now we have a potentially canon ending to the trilogy (Destroy as that is the only ending that has a possibility for Shepard to live). And I just wonder if that is the real underlying reason that so many hate ME3's ending.From Press Release...
Casey Hudson, Executive Producer of the Mass Effect[/i] series added, "We have reprioritized our post-launch development efforts to provide the fans who want more closure with even more context and clarity to the ending of the game, in a way that will feel more personalized for each player."
Modifié par TauAngelicus, 10 avril 2012 - 04:58 .
Modifié par Mr Indivisible, 10 avril 2012 - 05:22 .
Daramatis wrote...
I just completed my first run-through last night, after more than 108 hours of play - yup, I'm an avid roleplayer who saves far-too-often, replays character conversations, explores every corner possible and speaks to everyone at every opportunity, and I have to say that it was an amazing emotional rollercoaster.
From frustration at the start because of the face-import issue, which I unfortunately fell foul of, through a good number of utterly magnificent, emotional character driven sections (such as Morden mentioning the sea shells brought a lump to my throat, then wistfully insisting he had to go as someone else might get it wrong setting off my tears; Anderson's gut-wrenching final scene which was so painful to watch), through to the sacrifice of the ending(s), and the ambiguity and questions they brought up.
For me, possibly the best moment was the introduction of Kaidan as a gay love interest, which I didn't know about until I had the conversation with him on the Citadel. I have the Collector's Edition guide which seemed to suggest he was only available to female Shepards, so I was totally unprepared for his revelation, I was amazed, stunned! I even checked the forums to make sure I hadn't done something wrong and had encountered a bug! To put this into context, as a gay man and long-time gamer I've been used to having to role play heterosexual in games - no real big deal for me, opened my eyes to "the other side of the fence".
I remember some of the forum activity when gay relationships were mooted for ME2, and when "alien sexual activity" was reported in some media in a somewhat hysterical way. So to discover that the character I was drawn to the most from ME1, and who I had imagined my Shepard being closest to through the entire story arc, had most empathy for, could be romanced, that was a hugely memorable moment for me, as a gamer and as a gay man in society - important because of the bravery of Bioware to address this issue, to take a chance at possibly alienating some players with no guarantee of a countering positive reaction - Bioware didn't have to add this, I'd have played it, indeed was playing it without knowing this was possible. And the gentle, respectful way it was handled was beautiful - not gratuitous but emotionally tender - the voice actors (Mark Meer and Raphael Sbarge) did a breathtaking job of conveying the emotional content of the romance scenes - my utter thanks and respect to the writers, actors and graphics dept. for capturing these moments - from the minute facial expression changes - Shepard's initial surprise at the revelation, to the smile of understanding he felt the same, to the smile when Kaidan comes to his cabin and distracts him at the door with a bottle of wine, the playful but charged love scene, to the final conversation in London and one last kiss.
This made the end of Shepard really painful for me, knowing that relationship was ending - but indicated there was some flaming good, strong story-telling going on because I felt that emotional response.
I do have one question - I understand from the guide and vids on the net that Shepard can survive given certain conditions - one of which is the Readiness rating. I'm not a multiplayer kinda guy, just doesn't do it for me, and I saw a posting elsewhere stating that it was possible for single player to get the optimal ending without getting more than the default 50% modifier. Unfortunately I topped-out at 3,652 (or thereabouts) readiness, but the guide states the survival ending is at 4,000, which I think I can only get with MP. Probably not the correct forum for this question, and my apologies if not, but does anyone know if importing the ME3 character into a second play-through will yield more assets so that my single player game can achieve the Shepard Lives outcome?
Oh, I know there are bigger questions and concerns about the endings, but I'd just so like to have the possibility of a positive ending with Shepard and Kaidan surviving because we've borne witness to so much death and carnage, not least the utter devestation through London, at the beam, and then on the reorganised Citadel - when the Prothean VI said the Reapers had taken the Citadel I have to admit I felt a little sick, envisaging the number of people there, characters we knew, but also the scale - not planetary I know, but the difference being we had ran past a few of them, heard their conversations, interacted with them. So a little hope on a small scale for two characters finding some rest after saving the galaxy is all I'd like.
Especially as the world is scheduled for demolition in December 2012 to make way for a hyperspace bypass, or could that be by Reaper? Look to the skies!
If you get this far, then I appreciate you taking the time to read my rambling.
If BioWare wish to argue artistic integrity, then there is one key thing that they have to do:TauAngelicus wrote...
Bioware's argument of artistic integrity is not a cheap excuse. They are staying true to their story, their vision. You do not have to like it but it is what it is. Personally I have more respect for them for not changing it. From the announcement of the Extended Cut DLC it sounds like they had planned to release something like this all ready, probably as part of a DLC release that follows up on the 'Shepard breathes' scene.Psythorn wrote...
I just want to let you know that clarification is NOT what I want.
And I want to emphasis that your artistic integrity argument is none but a very cheap excuse - I do not buy!
Yes - pc games are ART but NO that does not make them untouchable or mean that they can't be badly done rubbish...
preserving the status quo, which the Child says is a failed solutionModifié par AmstradHero, 10 avril 2012 - 05:30 .
Modifié par Changer the Elder, 10 avril 2012 - 05:35 .
Changer the Elder wrote...
If I play along for a while...
"Sure, guys, let's do what Marvel does and retcon it. They're asking for it, after all. No matter that we pretty much discredit the entire story since that way we'll show no parts of the script matter enough not to be erased for convenience. And if we screw up, we can always do what Marvel does and retcon the retcon! We have the magical eraser! And screw those that are already happy with the way it is, let's play gamble and ditch them for those we may take to our side."
It's admittedly a philosophical standpoint rather than a gamer's one, but you don't destroy books. And you don't erase what's once been written unless it's the very last, desperate resort.
I'm glad Bioware decided to back up their writing. General consensus used to be that it's the execution that's faltered. Now they're trying to set it right because they have indeed been listening. And people are stoning them for not going all EA on us and ignoring the whole issue as "what's past is past" for something that hasn't been even released yet.
Ending opinions aside, that, in short, is why a lot of external people, including some game journalists, made a three-sixty-turn and fell dizzy on the floor, giving up on ME fans and branding us as whiny brats. Because we simply and obviously lack the capacity for hope and patience. I disctinctly remember people coming here (and everywhere else) claiming the game's going to be trash before it got released, that it's going to suck in the worst way possible. They were verbally beaten to silence with fans claiming it's stupid to jump to conclusions about something nobody but the developers had seen yet. Maybe we should try and remember that.
What a silly little straw man to push over! Take it away.Changer the Elder wrote...
"Sure, guys, let's do what Marvel does and retcon it. They're asking for it, after all. No matter that we pretty much discredit the entire story since that way we'll show no parts of the script matter enough not to be erased for convenience. And if we screw up, we can always do what Marvel does and retcon the retcon! We have the magical eraser! And screw those that are already happy with the way it is, let's play gamble and ditch them for those we may take to our side."
Sherlock Holmes: killed by its creator, brought back to life after massive fan protests. Some of the best stories were written *after* this event.It's admittedly a philosophical standpoint rather than a gamer's one, but you don't destroy books. And you don't erase what's once been written unless it's the very last, desperate resort.
The difference here is that the game had not been released, but the ending has been released. BioWare have stated that the ending is here to stay, and all that will be added are cutscenes to "clarify" the ending.Changer the Elder wrote...
I'm glad Bioware decided to back up their writing. General consensus used to be that it's the execution that's faltered. Now they're trying to set it right because they have indeed been listening. And people are stoning them for not going all EA on us and ignoring the whole issue as "what's past is past" for something that hasn't been even released yet.
Ending opinions aside, that, in short, is why a lot of external people, including some game journalists, made a three-sixty-turn and fell dizzy on the floor, giving up on ME fans and branding us as whiny brats. Because we simply and obviously lack the capacity for hope and patience. I disctinctly remember people coming here (and everywhere else) claiming the game's going to be trash before it got released, that it's going to suck in the worst way possible. They were verbally beaten to silence with fans claiming it's stupid to jump to conclusions about something nobody but the developers had seen yet. Maybe we should try and remember that.
Modifié par Changer the Elder, 10 avril 2012 - 05:53 .
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