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[Blazerer]

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

[/quote] You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

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Sorry to hear you think this way. Apparantly trolling get''s boring after a while, I can understand but don't worry. While youa are gone we will make sure we fight for what WE deem important. People who can''t even answer to proper arguments have no place on either side of that conversation

[LiarasShield]

Now I'm going to push this one step further beyond regular player perspective the way we control shepard is the way we would probably act in the same situations if we were shepard from either being a badass who doesn't take **** from anyone or someone who wants to help all they can so if you think about it we are all commander shepard and as Commander shepard from you nearly being destroyed at the citadel from saren and soverign from you getting blasted by the collectors and you and some of your crew die from the balst from you being brought back to life to destroy the collector base wouldn't you want your crew to remain loyal I mean your crew cared enough for you to run your ass back to the normandy as bullets where flying all around and even help get your ass on board wouldn't you want your crew to stay by your side as you have worked hard to gather the fleets of several different races wouldn't you want to not destroy the relays or have your crew not abandon you without a second thought because they cared at the collector base didn't they wether you live or die wouldn't you want the person who you loved who has shared your pain and has gone through everything that you have wouldn't you want him or her to mourn you or to find a way to be with you again Well wouldn't you if you can see yourself as shepard and as shepard wouldn't you want that for yourself or i'll put it this way for all the soldiers who have been through several wars and have seen nothing but pain and sorrow wouldn't you like to settle down with someone to share your pain and your love I don't want this ending just for shepard I would want this ending for my self if I was in the same circumstances As shepard I would want to finally find the damn light at the end of the tunnel and as shepard or if you were shepard could really accept just giving up or not caring about the people who have been by your side up until the final battle or the final moment that is something I truely ask you[/quote]

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

[Blazerer]

LiarasShield wrote...

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

feel free to do so, however PLEASE add points and paragraphs to this all. atm i must admit I can't find the will to read it...

Modifié par Blazerer, 10 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[Thanatos144]

[quote]Blazerer wrote...

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

 You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

[/quote]

Sorry to hear you think this way. Apparantly trolling get''s boring after a while, I can understand but don't worry. While youa are gone we will make sure we fight for what WE deem important. People who can''t even answer to proper arguments have no place on either side of that conversation

[/quote] Yes yes the weak argument again......Keep saying I am a troll Whatever you need to live with yourself [/quote]

Modifié par Thanatos144, 10 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[AmstradHero]

Thanatos144 wrote...
You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

So you're saying that when multiple senior people from a game developer repeatedly stated that there will be many varied endings and that those endings will not be A,B,C or a bespoke ending that everyone gets, that shouldn't be considered a promise?

What if they'd suddenly removed the ability to make any decisions? They promised that in interviews too, but it's okay, but apparently it's okay to not hold BioWare to the claims it made about the game. That's what you're saying.

Modifié par AmstradHero, 10 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[Thanatos144]

AmstradHero wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

So you're saying that when multiple senior people from a game developer repeatedly stated that there will be many varied endings and that those endings will not be A,B,C or a bespoke ending that everyone gets, that shouldn't be considered a promise?

What if they'd suddenly removed the ability to make any decisions? They promised that in interviews too, but it's okay, but apparently it's okay to not hold BioWare to the claims it made about the game. That's what you're saying.

I am stating that a interview isnt a promise it is a interview.....But you can keep your illusion if you want.

[Blazerer]

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

Yes yes the weak argument again......Keep saying I am a troll Whatever you need to live with yourself [/quote]
[/quote]

and still no reply to any of my arguments. I really do appreciate it that you so kindly prove my point. I would appreciate it however if you could continue proving it a little longer

[tuckbot3]

Thanatos144 wrote...
You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made 
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

So... you're telling us this; A statement made by THE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER of Mass Effect 3, which was delivered in A PUBLIC INTERVIEW, shouldn't be viewed as a legitamate expectation to be met. Umm... what is wrong with you?

You know, I would think that if one of Biowares Executive Producers was making claims in interviews, they wouldn't just be like, "Oh whatever, it's just some article that thousands of people will read and base there expectations for our game off of. It's not like something that people might be mad about if the information doesn't hold up."

Seriously, are you even thinking a little bit when you type out nonsensical sillyness like this? This isn't hard stuff to comprehend.

[Blazerer]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 I am stating that a interview isnt a promise it is a interview.....But you can keep your illusion if you want.

I said this all before, but because apparently it wasn't clear enough for you to understand

Mass effect 3 mainpage:
Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story
unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your
experience and outcome'' completely shape'' enough said

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...



Now I'm going to push this one step further beyond regular player perspective the way we control shepard is the way we would probably act in the same situations if we were shepard from either being a badass who doesn't take **** from anyone or someone who wants to help all they can so if you think about it we are all commander shepard. And as Commander shepard from you nearly being destroyed at the citadel from saren and soverign from you getting blasted by the collectors and you and some of your crew die from the blast from you being brought back to life to destroy the collector base wouldn't you want your crew to remain loyal.  I mean your crew cared enough for you to run your ass back to the normandy as bullets where flying all around and even help get your ass on board wouldn't you want your crew to stay by your side as you have worked hard to gather the fleets of several different races. Wouldn't you want to not destroy the relays or have your crew not abandon you without a second thought because they cared at the collector base didn't they.  Wether you live or die wouldn't you want the person who you loved who has shared your pain and has gone through everything that you have wouldn't you want him or her to mourn you or to find a way to be with you again.  Well wouldn't you if you can see yourself as shepard and as shepard wouldn't you want that for yourself or i'll put it this way for all the soldiers who have been through several wars and have seen nothing but pain and sorrow wouldn't you like to settle down with someone to share your pain and your love I don't want this ending just for shepard I would want this ending for my self if I was in the same circumstances.   As shepard I would want to finally find the damn light at the end of the tunnel and as shepard or if you were shepard could really accept just giving up or not caring about the people who have been by your side up until the final battle or the final moment that is something I truely ask you.]

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

[Blazerer]

LiarasShield wrote...
this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

the paragraphs and points, please! gigantic wall of teksts are frightening. I'd truly appreciate some interpunction in there

[Caprea]

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am stating that a interview isnt a promise it is a interview.....But you can keep your illusion if you want.

So you do not expect people to take the things BioWare staff says at face value? Even though they stated there would not be any A/B/B like ending several times over?
What do you expect people to do, instead? Go and say: "Nah, BioWare, we won't believe you 'till we actually see the result."? For god's sake, what do you expect people to think or say or do when they hear things like that time and again?
People normally take what you say at face value. It's the way it works. BioWare purposefully advertised their game (or, more specifically, the ending) a certain way, the fans paid for it and BioWare didn't deliver. Simple as that.

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

Blazerer wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...
this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

the paragraphs and points, please! gigantic wall of teksts are frightening. I'd truly appreciate some interpunction in there

Yes please!! I usually don't read your post because of that. 

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am stating that a interview isnt a promise it is a interview.....But you can keep your illusion if you want.

So you do not expect people to take the things BioWare staff says at face value? Even though they stated there would not be any A/B/B like ending several times over?
What do you expect people to do, instead? Go and say: "Nah, BioWare, we won't believe you 'till we actually see the result."? For god's sake, what do you expect people to think or say or do when they hear things like that time and again?
People normally take what you say at face value. It's the way it works. BioWare purposefully advertised their game (or, more specifically, the ending) a certain way, the fans paid for it and BioWare didn't deliver. Simple as that.

Hell yes!!! Simple as that

[Thanatos144]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
I am stating that a interview isnt a promise it is a interview.....But you can keep your illusion if you want.

So you do not expect people to take the things BioWare staff says at face value? Even though they stated there would not be any A/B/B like ending several times over?
What do you expect people to do, instead? Go and say: "Nah, BioWare, we won't believe you 'till we actually see the result."? For god's sake, what do you expect people to think or say or do when they hear things like that time and again?
People normally take what you say at face value. It's the way it works. BioWare purposefully advertised their game (or, more specifically, the ending) a certain way, the fans paid for it and BioWare didn't deliver. Simple as that.

I think if you stop crying about the relays being destroyed and Shepard
dieing you would realize there are several ending in the game....the
whole game is endings. They ended ever story variant and they were at
least two ways they end. .... You are all to  focused on the last
minuets of a game.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 10 avril 2012 - 09:44 .

[luci90]

Guys, I think the troll isn't a troll at all.

I think it's a politician.

[Blazerer]

Thanatos144 wrote...
 You are all to  focused on the last minuets of a game.

that's usually where the ending is

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

I think he works for BW or EA...

[Thanatos144]

Blazerer wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
 You are all to  focused on the last minuets of a game.

that's usually where the ending is

The whole game is the end.......

[Thanatos144]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

I think he works for BW or EA...

It must be hard for you to understand not everyone has tro agree with you.

[luci90]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

I think he works for BW or EA...

They wouldn't waste the money on such poor work.

Then again....

[garytwine]

Hands up everyone who thinks Thanatos is actually Casey Hudson! *puts hand up*

[EugeneBi]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

I think he works for BW or EA...

Or IGN. And he is not the only one. Does it matter?

[LiarasShield]

LiarasShield wrote...

LiarasShield wrote...



Now I'm going to push this one step further beyond regular player perspective the way we control shepard is the way we would probably act in the same situations if we were shepard from either being a badass who doesn't take **** from anyone or someone who wants to help all they can so if you think about it we are all commander shepard.
 
                And as Commander shepard from you nearly being destroyed at the citadel from saren and soverign from you getting blasted by the collectors and you and some of your crew die from the blast from you being brought back to life to destroy the collector base wouldn't you want your crew to remain loyal.  

                           I mean your crew cared enough for you to run your ass back to the normandy as bullets where flying all around and even help get your ass on board wouldn't you want your crew to stay by your side as you have worked hard to gather the fleets of several different races. 


                                                   Wouldn't you want to not destroy the relays or have your crew not abandon you without a second thought because they cared at the collector base didn't they.  


                                    Wether you live or die wouldn't you want the person who you loved who has shared your pain and has gone through everything that you have wouldn't you want him or her to mourn you or to find a way to be with you again.  

                       Well wouldn't you if you can see yourself as shepard and as shepard wouldn't you want that for yourself or i'll put it this way for all the soldiers who have been through several wars and have seen nothing but pain and sorrow wouldn't you like to settle down with someone to share your pain and your love I don't want this ending just for shepard I would want this ending for my self if I was in the same circumstances.   

                   As shepard I would want to finally find the damn light at the end of the tunnel and as shepard or if you were shepard could really accept just giving up or not caring about the people who have been by your side up until the final battle or the final moment that is something I truely ask you.]

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

[Blazerer]

Thanatos144 wrote...
The whole game is the end.......

I love how you keep proving and proving my point, Thanatos thank you so much!

now back to an actual interesting level of discussion:

Archonsg wrote...

In a word, yes.

It's called, "damage control".

I
have attended enough seminars and sessions with marketing / customer
service to know that Bioware made Statements that put them in a very
awkward position. Perhaps they were not given a choice themselves and
were told to defend the ending perhaps not but they made a decision and
are now stuck with it.

Right now, they are in damage control
mode. The "clarification" DLC is a time buying move that shows that they
are addressing what they "think" is the issue, gives them a time buffer
in hopes that customers by that time would have cooled down in
expectations and generally accept the "End" for what it is. That and
bank on the fickle nature of the consumers who would be wowed by the
"next best thing", probably Dragon Age 3 or Command And Conquer :
Generals 2.

As a consumer you have one of the most powerful tool at your disposal. Your wallet.

you have a point there. The consumer ALWAYS has the most power. it just requires something like this to make them realise that. People, don't continue to supporting this kind of behaviour. Stop buying games and services from companies that clearly do not respect you.

if a company does not respect it's customers, it has no right asking for nor expecting respect from that same customer group