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[LiarasShield]

Extended please answer our prayers plz U_u

[EugeneBi]

Changer the Elder wrote...

I probably shouldn't ask about the logic behind any of you going on with the claim that anyone disagreeing with you/siding with Bioware must be Casey Hudson/Mac Walters/insert-random-employee-here. From the very same logic, it could be said that everyone fueling the hate for the ending is secretly working for the rival companies like Blizzard or Bethesda.

True, if I had a dime for every time someone calling me out on being paid to defend the endings, I could very well claim I am on Bioware's payroll... technically.

But still, it's a bit of a childish approach by most standarts.


@ LiarasShadow: Is there any point of spamming the forums like a broken record? I mean, I could understand you bumping the post once per page, but seeing it thrice our four times per one single page has me wondering whether I'm sober.

The logic is simple: when somebody defends something illogical, there are only two likely explanations - either this person is a fool or (s)he has some other reason to do that. You do not look like a fool, so scratch the first option.
The most likely "other reason" is either money or friendship. People choose money as more likely out of these two.

[LiarasShield]

Now, I'm going to push this one step further beyond regular player perspective. The way we control shepard is the way we would probably act in the same situations if we were shepard. From either being a badass who doesn't take **** from anyone or someone who wants to help all they can. So if you think about it we are all commander shepard.
 
And as Commander shepard, from you nearly being destroyed at the citadel by saren and soverign from you getting blasted by the collectors and you and some of your crew die from the blast from you being brought back to life to destroy the collector base wouldn't you want your crew to remain loyal.  

I mean: your crew cared enough for you to run your ass back to the normandy as bullets where flying all around and even help get your ass on board, wouldn't you want your crew to stay by your side as you have worked hard to gather the fleets of several different races?


Wouldn't you want to not destroy the relays or have your crew not abandon you without a second thought? Because they cared at the collector base didn't they.

Wether you live or die wouldn't you want the person who you loved, who has shared your pain and has gone through everything that you have. Wouldn't you want him or her to mourn you or to find a way to be with you again.  

Well, wouldn't you if you can see yourself as shepard and as shepard wouldn't you want that for yourself. Or let me pit it this way: for all the soldiers who have been through several wars and have seen nothing but pain and sorrow, wouldn't you like to settle down with someone to share your pain and your love? I don't want this ending just for shepard I wouldn't want this ending for my self if I was in the same circumstances.   

As shepard I would want to finally find the damn light at the end of the tunnel and as shepard, or if you were shepard, could really accept just giving up or not caring about the people who have been by your side up until the final battle or the final moment? that is something I truly ask you

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves

[LiarasShield]

sorry gonna at least have this posted once per page sorry about the 5 times I had it posted

[LiarasShield]

well bashing our heads against each other isn't solving anything X_x

[garytwine]

Blazerer wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Oh, I was just having a bit of fun. I realised that there is no point arguing with someone that is annoying and has absolutely no sense oh humour. Fight fire with fire. Be annoying and ridiculous right back :-)

I prefer just being nice to them, if there is something those kind of people hate it's being done nice to and having no base to rage on

Good point :-)

[Blazerer]

LiarasShield wrote...

sorry gonna at least have this posted once per page sorry about the 5 times I had it posted

don''t worry, just edit them ^^

garytwine wrote...

Good point :-)

i know right?

[LiarasShield]

blaze check out the song I sent ya ^^

[StillOverrated]

luci90 wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

garytwine wrote...


Hands up everyone who thinks Thanatos is actually Casey Hudson! *puts hand up*

Then you are wrong and maybe not to bright.

*puts his hand up a second time and starts to think maybe Thanatos is Casey Hudson and Mac Walters*

At the same time?


my god, synthesis went terribly wrong!

*chokes on water, spits it on monitor. Does not deter from laughter*

[Lyrebon]

StillOverrated wrote...

luci90 wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

garytwine wrote...


Hands up everyone who thinks Thanatos is actually Casey Hudson! *puts hand up*

Then you are wrong and maybe not to bright.

*puts his hand up a second time and starts to think maybe Thanatos is Casey Hudson and Mac Walters*

At the same time?


my god, synthesis went terribly wrong!

*chokes on water, spits it on monitor. Does not deter from laughter*

Pretty much same sentiments.

[mattkaylor76]

Hey Folks at Bioware,
I just learned that you are sticking to your guns and leaving the ending how you wrote it.  Personally, I never believed that you should rewrite it.  It's your game and you certainly can end it any way you'd like.  That is not to say that I found it remotely satisfying, but sadly that's my problem, not yours.
After the many years of playing the Commander while he tried to save the galaxy, I did not much care for the choices presented at the end (for more reasons than I care to describe here).  I expected more than the final scene and was disappointed that it was present after whatever choice you make (invalidating the siginificance of the choices themselves).

In any event, it matters little.  Thanks much for all the work you put into your games.  They have been quite enjoyable to play (Tuchanka in both ME2 and ME3 were a blast and by far my favorite planet for doing missions and the Shadowbroker DLC was simply awesome.).

That said, this will be the last of your games that I will play.  After the years of anticipation, the series ending was too great a let down for me.  Best of wishes in all your future endeavors.

Warm regards,
Matt

[luci90]

Lyrebon wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

luci90 wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Hands up everyone who thinks Thanatos is actually Casey Hudson! *puts hand up*

Then you are wrong and maybe not to bright.

*puts his hand up a second time and starts to think maybe Thanatos is Casey Hudson and Mac Walters*

At the same time?

my god, synthesis went terribly wrong!

*chokes on water, spits it on monitor. Does not deter from laughter*

Pretty much same sentiments.

Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.

[WhereTheSlimeLive]

Lyrebon wrote...

WhereTheSlimeLive wrote...

The ending was a bit strange for me. It almost seemed a little rushed. I could be way off. If countless hours were spent developing the endings then I apologize. I meant no offense. I've been a Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate. I have fallen in love with many of their games and had experiences I will never forget. For me, the ending was never a huge concern. It has always been about the journey not the destination. All the plot twists, the victories, the losses. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age... it was always about the journey.
I've never seen so many people come together over something so petty. Something so trivial. My wife sponsors children with cancer. She deals with lupus and all the pain that comes with it. We worry about our own little girl and whether or not we will be able to send her to the best school possible. There are people that wake up in some parts of the world and don't know if they will be able to find enough food to eat or survive another day. Apparently there a people that don't have these kinds of problems. I guess when nothing really bad has happened in your life a video game ending is a real big deal. Are people really THAT upset? Are we that whiny and entitled? I think it's more about people doing what people do... follow. A group of crying babies start a domino affect and every message board nerd jumps on the wagon. Is Bioware listening? I wouldn't. Don't like what I made? Don't buy it. Ask yourself this - how's your game doing? You know, the one that you made? Right.

In the context of literary creativity the ending to Mass Effect 3 takes a running leap off a cliff.  While I appreciate what your wife does and the concerns you have, we as a human race are intelligent enough to express artistically. We create touching stories because we have that capability that no other life on this planet does. You can say that thousands / millions of children are starving in third-world countries, but isn't it also a squander of our intellectual capacity by not utilising its potential to create something?

Stories tell us more about ourselves than we realise. Mass Effect has dealt with themes of fatalism and self-determination throughout the series and is ever important to the identity of human as Albert Camus' publications. This won't stop the problems in the world, but Mass Effect 3's ending is contradictory to everything that has come before it - the struggle of mankind against impossible odds, the will to never give in and accept the "inevitable." It is this what is inherently illogical and our brains can't process irrationalism without trying to rationalise it.

Essentially, Shepard just accepts everything the Starchild says, shrugs and goes off to kill herself. Without asking why. Anyone in that same position would want to know the consequences of their actions. Without that knowledge we can't rightly make a decision because we have no way of telling how it will effect the future of galactic civilisations. They depend on Shepard and she's just going to through herself blindly at a decision hoping it will solve everything? It goes against everything Shepard's character has been built up to be. Shepard isn't even Shepard anymore at this point.

From a literary point-of-view this is a big problem. From a philosophical POV the integrity of man is lost in the final moments. Some might be "whining" about the ending, but there is a lot of constructive criticism from people that can actually identify the problems. Bioware is a large company, it doesn't mean they're free of mistakes and bad writing.

But I still love the damn games.

Only response that has made even the slightest bit of sense so far.

[Gnoizic]

But you're not listening, BioWare. That's the problem. You're assuming that the majority of players need more clarification about the endings, when the reality is we've done our due diligence in speculating all of the massive effects of each of the endings, and how none of them are actually any good for the universe you've already established.

Kill Shepard. Go for it, I'm not butthurt about him dying in my ending. I love a good ol' fashioned sacrifice. But make it mean something that isn't widespread genocide.

And get rid of the Starchild. Or at least let me shoot him in the face.

[3DandBeyond]

The fact that they stand by a supposedly artistic ending is incredible to me. Artistic does not mean it can be totally removed from all that should make sense in the game. Artistic does not mean the ending just is not there. Artistic does mean something, even if only to the creator of the art. It's impossible for me to believe that this ending meant anything to those that worked on the great stories and characters in this game.

But, even if it was the best artistic thing ever, it just plain does not take into account all the decisions players made in the game. It boils down to a few decisions. Less EMS may mean other things happen in the game, but none of this seems to change anything.

Ok, maybe the point is there are only a few decisions that could be made, but...there should be some different impact upon Shepard and everyone else based upon what happened before you decide which button to press.

[lajeokki]

Gotta say that after 120hrs and 4 playthroughs of ME 3 I still keep gettin' all emotional over this game. Basically whole Tuchanka was pure epicness that made me burst to tears again and again, Rannoc was great especially those moments with Tali. Thessia on the other hand made me feel real sad, all that chaos and desperation over the asari radio, but still it was one of the best moments in ME 3. Everything felt like 'twas honed to perfection. This game still doesn't start to bore me and I find it still worth starting from the beginning.

It's just that I can't get used to the ending. I definitely want to like it and find some key aspects in it that would gimme peace, but no..At least I want to feel like a hero sacrificing himself for the whole galaxy and all his loved ones, since there is no happy ending. But when I look at those 3 options available I feel like I'll be betraying either myself or those I'm fighting for, maybe even both, no matter what I choose. It's like everything I've done starting from Eden prime where my fight against the reapers started, and all the way to the Citadel standing next to that annoying kid, It's like the whole journey was meaningless in the end. The end where some mysterious force just basically tells me to do something that is totally agains my beliefs and values. Totally different from all that what I've been able to do in the previous games and in ME3 aswell until the end.

Sry about the confusing post, just felt like putting quickly  together some of my thougths after my 4th playthrough. Too bad all good things come to an end.

[ss67]

Well, I finally finished the game and all I can say is....what the **** was that?!?!

It doesn't even make any sense.I'm not 'mad' (u mad bro?) just bitterly disappointed that, after (iirc) 5 years of game play, it really didn't matter a damn what I did in the game.

Thanks for the choice of colour though!

[No_MSG]

I'd like to reiterate that when I say "I don't get it" I don't mean I don't understand it. I understand what happened, and if those are my choices, I don't care what happens after.

What I don't get is the thought process behind those endings, and why they are so special to fight for. And I don't want that explained, either.

I want to walk away the minute the Deus Ex Machina says it created the Reapers. I don't need to hear anything after that. Nothing justifies trillions of lives taken every 50,000 years. Nothing.

[improperdancing]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
cause it isnt your story.

we are the consumer, any promise made should be fulfilled or consequences should follow. If a man on the street tells you he has an expensive watch and makes you pay 200$ for it, and that watch is only worth 20$ it's theft.

If a product is promised to you, yet it does not match the value it has been presented as (broken promises everywhere), it's theft just as well

tuckbot3 wrote...

I
payed $60 for their product. Before buying their product, I was
promised multiple endings where my choices would matter. I was promised a
drastically different conclusion, that would reflect everything I had
done up to that moment. I was promised that I wouldn't get an A, B, C,
ending. I was promised my ending wouldn't just be some arbitrary choice.
As a consumer, I have every right to complain.

Bet even if I
didn't; So what? Am I not allowed to complain about something just
because I didn't make it? That's stupid, especially when it bares no
resemblance to what I was promised, or what I was (told) to expect.

You go right ahead and keep thinking a interview by a writer made
during development meant it was a promise......I am done hoping commonsense wins out. I am done getting a headache trying to reason with the unreasonable. In the end Shepard will be dead or maybe not depending on the one ending and the relays will be gone.  You will never understand change cause you refuse to except it.

As someone here who actually has a real-world, big person job, you clearly have very little idea of how the business world works.  Any time you speak to your customers as a representative of the company, what you tell them is assumed to come from the company itself unless you specifically preface it with something like "all these opinions are my own and do not reflect the views or opinions of Company X."  You'll notice that none of these BioWare interviews have phrases like that, and thus can assume to be promises from BioWare of what to expect from their upcoming product, Mass Effect 3.

Similarly, just because someone doesn't say "I promise" in their sentence doesn't mean it isn't a promise.  This isn't the third grade where you can get out of a promise by keeping your fingers crossed when you give it.  At my job if I tell a client that I will have something finished for them by Friday, then Friday comes and it's not done yet, I damn sure don't say "Well, technically I never actually promised you anything."  I either get the work done or tell them before-hand that it's going to require extra time.  

BioWare definitely didn't get the work done, and they definitely didn't tell us pre-release to start tempering our expectations.  They let us keep on believing that we were getting the ending that was originally promised to us.

/whydoikeepfeedingthetrolls

[hoodaticus]

The ending made no more sense - and was no less juxtaposed - than an indoctrinated Mario and Luigi coming in and farting fireballs at Shepard, blowing up him and the entire galaxy. That's how bad the ending was. To defend it in the name of "art" is ludicrous, and shame on you.

Bioware, please make Mass Effect 4 the REAL ending, where we get to TAKE BACK EARTH, as promised in your ad that led me to buy this product in the first place. This whole controversy has taken hours of my time, and as a software architect, that's alot of money buying your game has cost me.

If you fix this, I won't forget it.  Same goes for if you don't!

Modifié par hoodaticus, 11 avril 2012 - 12:28 .

[hoodaticus]

To the OP's question:

There were plenty of moments when I cried. And I don't cry.
Those were the best moments.

When I gave the paragon speech on the way to Ilos
When I climbed out of the rubble at the end of ME1
When Ash was cold to me on Horizon
Samara after she lost Morinth ("have mercy on a wounded old warrior and let us leave..")
After winning battle in the debris field
When I blew up the collector base

There's about a dozen more moments that made me cry in this series. That has never happened in any video game... Mass Effect is epic and DESERVES A BETTER ENDING than Justin Bieber forcing Shepard to extinct/huskify the entire galaxy!

The Indoctrination Theory is true, and the story of how the Crucible actually works (i.e., it only weakens the reapers) and how the galaxy gets re-taken is yet to be told.

[hoodaticus]

As to the trilogy issue - just make the last installment a three-parter!

[ss67]

hoodaticus wrote...

 To defend it in the name of "art" is ludicrous, and shame on you.

Exactly.

Everything up until the last 10 minutes was a solid, brilliantly constructed narrative that for the most part tied up nicely.To then tack on an ending where The Illusive Man magically turns up at the last minute and a new character is introduced to guide you toward choosing what flavour of **** sandwich you want is ridiculous.

If Ford Coppalla decide to end The Godfather with Don Corleone coming back as a ghost and beaming everyone up to space on a flying carpet, would that be art or a bull**** ending?

I mean, The Catalyst is telling you that synthetic life will kill organic life. No debate.It will happen. It is preordained. Thenw hy the hell are we given a story in which the Geth develop free will and EDI as well?

It just doesn't make sense. 

[No_MSG]

Also, just because I can't post this enough:

Artistic Vision: http://www.joystiq.c...es-in-future-e/

[Archonsg]

Lyrebon wrote...

StillOverrated wrote...

luci90 wrote...

garytwine wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

garytwine wrote...


Hands up everyone who thinks Thanatos is actually Casey Hudson! *puts hand up*

Then you are wrong and maybe not to bright.

*puts his hand up a second time and starts to think maybe Thanatos is Casey Hudson and Mac Walters*

At the same time?


my god, synthesis went terribly wrong!

*chokes on water, spits it on monitor. Does not deter from laughter*

Pretty much same sentiments.

Ah, "Synthesis" where Synthethics gain organic properties and, yes, organs.

Would love to see clarification of if EDI's mammary glands are now, functional, how would she procreate without a birth canal and yes, why is she wearing a pseudo hair head bucket.

What, grafting circuitry into organics at the molecular level and you guys miss out on this? For shame!

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 avril 2012 - 01:20 .