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[LiarasShield]

but those blue children ish what I want so much U-u wether shepard lives or dies if liara was romanced she should still have those blue children....

Modifié par LiarasShield, 11 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[LiarasShield]

[quote]LiarasShield wrote...

Now, I'm going to push this one step further beyond regular player perspective. The way we control shepard is the way we would probably act in the same situations if we were shepard. From either being a badass who doesn't take **** from anyone or someone who wants to help all they can. So if you think about it we are all commander shepard.
 
And as Commander shepard, from you nearly being destroyed at the citadel by saren and soverign from you getting blasted by the collectors and you and some of your crew die from the blast from you being brought back to life to destroy the collector base wouldn't you want your crew to remain loyal.  

I mean: your crew cared enough for you to run your ass back to the normandy as bullets where flying all around and even help get your ass on board, wouldn't you want your crew to stay by your side as you have worked hard to gather the fleets of several different races?


Wouldn't you want to not destroy the relays or have your crew not abandon you without a second thought? Because they cared at the collector base didn't they.

Wether you live or die wouldn't you want the person who you loved, who has shared your pain and has gone through everything that you have. Wouldn't you want him or her to mourn you or to find a way to be with you again.  

Well, wouldn't you if you can see yourself as shepard and as shepard wouldn't you want that for yourself. Or let me pit it this way: for all the soldiers who have been through several wars and have seen nothing but pain and sorrow, wouldn't you like to settle down with someone to share your pain and your love? I don't want this ending just for shepard I wouldn't want this ending for my self if I was in the same circumstances.   

As shepard I would want to finally find the damn light at the end of the tunnel and as shepard, or if you were shepard, could really accept just giving up or not caring about the people who have been by your side up until the final battle or the final moment? that is something I truly ask you

this is one of the things I'm gonna quote from now on because I feel this is something we should all ask ourselves
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[StElmo]

BIoware, here is a suggestion:

1. Indoctrination Theory
2. Ending DLC to explain what really happens.

[Jassu1979]

Changer the Elder wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

You express exactly how I feel......I don't think Bioware had any real idea how connected people are with this franchise.

Oh, I don't believe they wouldn't realize that. They're in love with those games even more than we are. They're the ones who built it and invested their heart into both the world and the characters. You cannot create something with this level of detail and with scenes that make you so deeply involved with the characters and their world without being equally passionate about it yourself.

In extension, that's why they defend their story and don't want to change it. They believe in it. If they didn't care, they'd just change it. They know (and even have admitted) the execution isn't perfect and now are trying to set it "right". Giving them a fighting chance sounds fair enough. They gave us unforgettable scenes like The End Run, Fall of Thessia, A Future for the Krogan or The Fleets Arrive. That in exchange for a little faith sounds like a decent deal.

I agree that we should definitely give them a chance, and until I've actually seen what the "Extended Cut" has to offer, I'll remain cautiously optimistic.
However, if it turns out that the new cut scenes are only window dressing, and that we are *really* expected to swallow that atrociously ill-crafted and convoluted ending (rather than being granted a Big Reveal, for example along the lines of the IT), then I no longer believe that Bioware ever listened, nor that they actually believe in the story they ended up telling.

Nobody who wrote Mordin's death scene, Legion's sacrifice, or even Liara's Farewell could possibly look at those final five minutes and say: "Yeah, that's how I wanted to see Mass Effect end all along: with a whimper rather than a bang, with a Shepard that cannot even choose to argue against the convoluted deus ex machina, shuffling towards her doom while being herded along by invisible walls".

If they stick to that ending, then the corporate hierarchy and PR mean more to them than the game, and their "solution" is just a way of asserting their dominance and insisting that they won't be swayed by the vox populi. You see politicians do that sort of thing all the time: when confronted over an obvious mistake or a very dubious course of action, they say that they "need to communicate better", implying that what they did was utterly perfect, and the rabble is just too stupid to understand their genius and needs more dumbed-down explanations.

Modifié par Jassu1979, 11 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

AN IDEA!! Are we sure this is the last adventire of Shepard? I know they said that, but maybe they are lying there too...

[Benchpress610]

Changer the Elder wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

You express exactly how I feel......I don't think Bioware had any real idea how connected people are with this franchise.

Oh, I don't believe they wouldn't realize that. They're in love with those games even more than we are. They're the ones who built it and invested their heart into both the world and the characters. You cannot create something with this level of detail and with scenes that make you so deeply involved with the characters and their world without being equally passionate about it yourself.
*snip*......

That’s what puzzles me to no end. How such a talented and dedicated team of writes and developers, who produced one of the masterpieces in videogame history, came up with such sloppy and incoherent ending? It’s like a complete different team came in and were given 30 minutes to write and produce the ending. Then they slapped it to the rest of the game with spit and glue.
 
As I said I will download the Extended Cut, but by their recent statements, I’m not very hopeful... Who knows, they might surprise me.

Edit: Grammar

Modifié par Benchpress610, 11 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[Belhawk]

i am not too surprised at the bad incoherent ending. After all, BW probably sent all the talanted writers and such to make TOR. The dialog is much better there than in ME 3.

[LiarasShield]

yeah the loss of drew was a bad blow because I think he was one of the big ones

[BrowncoatN7]

The ending feels incomplete, best case scenario is (someone I assume is) Shepard taking a breath, and then it cuts to the credits. It is as if Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows would have ended after "He was lying face down on the ground again." (page 580, start of The Flaw in the Plan). After everything Shepard's been through, don't you think (s)he deserves the option for a happy ending, and a reunion with her/his love interest? Mass Effect 3 is a game, give us a chance to win.

With the destruction of the mass relays, we also destroyed galactic civilization as we know it. Even if the relays doesn't react like the Alpha Relay, travelling between clusters will become very difficult. Will the quarians in the Sol system ever see Rannoch again? What about all the other races? Please let the mass relays stay, and not just in the Control ending.

The Starchild's logic doesn't make any sense, it creates synthetics to kill us with, before we create synthetics that will kill us? The quarians and the geth are finally getting along, and (unfortunately) so are EDI and Joker (he's mine, EDI). Also, why is Shepard just listening to it? It created the reapers, it's the enemy, and Shepard just agrees with what it is saying, and does what it tells her/him. There should be an option to say no to it, a winning option. I hope the indoctrination theory is correct, in that case the right choice is Destroy. I just hope I didn't kill the geth and EDI.

And what happened to Joker? After Thessia he confessed that he feels guilty about Shepard's death, why would he just abandon her/him in the end after kidnapping my squadmates? And them being stranded on some random planet without hope of ever getting away isn't a happy ending. Give us an ending that makes us want to play through the trilogy again, not an ending that just makes us think "What's the point?".

I also have a suggestion not related to the ending; there are two love interests for a straight female Shepard in ME3; Garrus and Kaidan, while there are six for a straight male: Miranda, Tali, Jack, Ashley, Liara and Diana Allers. I suggest that you add Joker and possibly James as love interests in order to even out the numbers a little bit.

On a side note, happy Shepard's -142nd birthday, everybody!

[adhoc9000]

I hope that you are still listening Bioware. It would be ashamed for you to have stopped just because you announced the extended cut. however, ME3 players want an ending that makes our decision matter like in ME 2. in the current ending no matter what you do its the same exact thing and thats weak and dissapointing because Mass Effect is really a great franchise and with this current ending i believe in marks the begining of the end of Mass Effect.
FIX THE ENDING PLEASE

[jeweledleah]

lament.ballad wrote...

I also have a suggestion not related to the ending; there are two love interests for a straight female Shepard in ME3; Garrus and Kaidan, while there are six for a straight male: Miranda, Tali, Jack, Ashley, Liara and Diana Allers. I suggest that you add Joker and possibly James as love interests in order to even out the numbers a little bit.

On a side note, happy Shepard's -142nd birthday, everybody!

and only Kaidan can be a new love interest... so if you saved Ashley?  no new male love interests for joo.  not adding James or Joker and making him (either one of them) the second s/s love interest was IMO a huge wasted opportunity. Both are always alive in every game, both have no previous estrablished romantic availability, and both had a fair number of fans who would love them as romances for either Shepard.

<-- is also still pissed off at Jacob always cheating and Thane barely getting any romance exclusive content... not even paramour achievemnt and ability to just lock yourself into that romance, without everyone and their dog coming on to you, instead of just defaulting to friendship only options (and I'm a Kaidan fan, but I still found it annoying how difficult it is to get his friendship dialogue with femshep, who is not locked into any other romance - its like they really REALLY want you to romance him >_>)

Modifié par jeweledleah, 11 avril 2012 - 05:26 .

[xaurabh123]

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

AN IDEA!! Are we sure this is the last adventire of Shepard? I know they said that, but maybe they are lying there too...

Nobody listens to me????

[Omnike]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Changer the Elder wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

You express exactly how I feel......I don't think Bioware had any real idea how connected people are with this franchise.

Oh, I don't believe they wouldn't realize that. They're in love with those games even more than we are. They're the ones who built it and invested their heart into both the world and the characters. You cannot create something with this level of detail and with scenes that make you so deeply involved with the characters and their world without being equally passionate about it yourself.
*snip*......

That’s what puzzles me to no end. How such a talented and dedicated team of writes and developers, who produced one of the masterpieces in videogame history, came up with such sloppy and incoherent ending? It’s like a complete different team came in and were given 30 minutes to write and produce the ending. Then they slapped it to the rest of the game with spit and glue.
 
As I said I will download the Extended Cut, but by their recent statements, I’m not very hopeful... Who knows, they might surprise me.

Edit: Grammar

What really baffles me is that they had a planned ending already. Maybe it was a bit rough around the edges to begin with, but I can't see that being the reason they scrapped it. Thinking back on what the ending was supposed to be, it seems ridiculous that they would change it like they did. Especially when they change it to the ending we got.

[Omnike]

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

LittleBlueChildrenNow wrote...

AN IDEA!! Are we sure this is the last adventire of Shepard? I know they said that, but maybe they are lying there too...

Nobody listens to me????

If that is true, they executed it extremely poorly. They killed any real hope for a promising sequel with the ending.

[StillOverrated]

Omnike wrote...

What really baffles me is that they had a planned ending already. Maybe it was a bit rough around the edges to begin with, but I can't see that being the reason they scrapped it. Thinking back on what the ending was supposed to be, it seems ridiculous that they would change it like they did. Especially when they change it to the ending we got.

Makes you think they did it for the lulz. The announcement will be made any day now. You just wait.

[9Enrico0]

could someone explain what this article says?
http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised
I'm confused

[Caprea]

No_MSG wrote...

Nah, the Dark Energy ending suffers from one of the major flaws of the real ending.  Trying to justify the Reapers.  All it does is cheapen them.  It turns "We are beyond your comprehension" into "I'm going to save telling you what we are until after you've defeated us twice, and it's time for the twist ending."  What's wrong with a race of sentient space ships that wipes out life every 50,000 years?  Why does there need to be anything more to it?

I don't really see why this should be considered a "flaw". Some fans just would have liked to know the origin of the reapers, their purpose or more about their long-term goal. Others would be fine with them being shrouded in mystery. Explaining them takes away their mysteriousness (is that a word?), on the other hand, I gives some clarity. I think it boils down the personal opinion, in the end, although I count myself among those who would like to see the Reapers as the mysterious and dark creatures they were presented as in ME1.

[Caprea]

9Enrico0 wrote...

could someone explain what this article says?
http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised
I'm confused

First, thanks for putting this up. It sure gave me a feeling of satisfaction to read this.

Second, it is about the Better Business Bureau (no idea what that is) saying that BioWare did false advertising concerning ME3. Which basically means it is acknowledged that BioWare pulled their fans over the barrel, after all.

[Alamar2078]

Dear BW,

While I appreciate the concept of listening to fan feedback I don't think that this move is going to truely satisfy "most" of the people that have a problem with the endings. Clarification and Closure sounds nice but I think most people understand the endings and that is not really the problem.

IMHO BW [deliberately?] set expectations for the game that the core product did not deliver on. Until folks get the game that BW led them to expect that they would get I don't see how we can make progress.

I would reiterate some of the statements leading to the out-of-line expectations but they have been elaborated on here and in many other threads. Feel free to PM me if you would like to discuss this further so we don't take up forum bandwidth.

Thanks

[Bene Rio]

I got the ending when Shepard breathing after the whole scene. Maybe you (yes Bioware, you) can continue the story or the ending from there. I'd love some DLC though especially to add more hours of my gameplay experience in this game.

[Jassu1979]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

I don't really see why this should be considered a "flaw". Some fans just would have liked to know the origin of the reapers, their purpose or more about their long-term goal. Others would be fine with them being shrouded in mystery. Explaining them takes away their mysteriousness (is that a word?), on the other hand, I gives some clarity. I think it boils down the personal opinion, in the end, although I count myself among those who would like to see the Reapers as the mysterious and dark creatures they were presented as in ME1.

Honestly, this is one of those cases where I don't think the fans know what's best for them.

For me, explaining the Reapers is a bit like explaining the Force (by means of midichlorians), or - to stay closer to home - explaining H.P. Lovecraft's "Old Ones": their whole appeal and menace stems from the fact that they're inscrutable and alien. Giving them a mission statement like "save organics by harvesting them" turns them from unknowable horrors into run-of-the-mill villains. Heck, even if their motivation had made more sense, it would still have contradicted the whole "we are far beyond your comprehension"-shpiel that has been going on since ME1.

I think something similar applies to Tali's face: people do not realize just how much of Tali's appeal is built around the fact that we do NOT know what she looks like. It not only gives her a certain mystique, but it also allows each of us to "fill in the blank" with our imagination. And honestly? No matter how much effort the art department might put into designing her appearance, it would still be a disappointment for most, because it would not be *their* Tali.

[Lioneli]

Even the word "clarification" is insulting. We are not dumb, we understand Casey's Hudson Grand Finale. Every 50 thousand years, Goodchild relieses his dogs aka Reapers on Galaxy to destroy all inteligent civilizations, so that they don't destroy themself by creating AI. And then Shepard... Then that kid speaks, he/she just listents and to the choices this brat gives Shepard says ok like trollface ok in submission. Shepard who always fought the Reapers, who proved that they can be killed says ok.
Oh and Joker runing away and "Scotty beam me up nonsense". Making a pile of crap bigger does't' make it better. Sorry Bioware that it came to this. I've been a loyal fan since KOTOR, but now I feel very disapointed...

[Blazerer]

Changer the Elder wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

You express exactly how I feel......I don't think Bioware had any real idea how connected people are with this franchise.

Oh, I don't believe they wouldn't realize that. They're in love with those games even more than we are. They're the ones who built it and invested their heart into both the world and the characters. You cannot create something with this level of detail and with scenes that make you so deeply involved with the characters and their world without being equally passionate about it yourself.

In extension, that's why they defend their story and don't want to change it. They believe in it. If they didn't care, they'd just change it. They know (and even have admitted) the execution isn't perfect and now are trying to set it "right". Giving them a fighting chance sounds fair enough. They gave us unforgettable scenes like The End Run, Fall of Thessia, A Future for the Krogan or The Fleets Arrive. That in exchange for a little faith sounds like a decent deal.

and that is where you are wrong, the entire team probably thinks it's ****. 50% because it is and 50% because the team didn't have anything to do with it. It was just Casey Hudson and the Lead designer going at it without peer review

[sdinc009]

dea_ex_machina wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

Nah, the Dark Energy ending suffers from one of the major flaws of the real ending.  Trying to justify the Reapers.  All it does is cheapen them.  It turns "We are beyond your comprehension" into "I'm going to save telling you what we are until after you've defeated us twice, and it's time for the twist ending."  What's wrong with a race of sentient space ships that wipes out life every 50,000 years?  Why does there need to be anything more to it?

I don't really see why this should be considered a "flaw". Some fans just would have liked to know the origin of the reapers, their purpose or more about their long-term goal. Others would be fine with them being shrouded in mystery. Explaining them takes away their mysteriousness (is that a word?), on the other hand, I gives some clarity. I think it boils down the personal opinion, in the end, although I count myself among those who would like to see the Reapers as the mysterious and dark creatures they were presented as in ME1.

I'm in the camp of keeping the Reapers mysterious. There's no need to explain further their macinations. As they are (pre-ending) they are powerful, ancient, and evil. The harvesting of all advanced civilizations in the galaxy is their goal. That information is enough to rally against them. I compare this to Jaws. Most of the horror elements of Jaws was because they did not show the shark (until the final scenes) just the menacing duh duh, duh duh tones and the pov perspective. This added to menacing element of the antagonist and I think this too applies to the characteristics of the Reapers