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[Blazerer]

noivoieidoi wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

I'd like to reiterate that when I say "I don't get it" I don't mean I don't understand it. I understand what happened,

I want to walk away the minute the Deus Ex Machina says it created the Reapers. I don't need to hear anything after that. .

"I control the Reapers. They are my solution" - Commander Catalyst of the invasion force

Obviously, you don't get it and don't understand it

clearly he does, and wether created or controlled neither makes sense.

Modifié par Blazerer, 11 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[Changer the Elder]

Blazerer wrote...

Changer the Elder wrote...

... seriously?

That's not even funny anymore. Condemning a company that gave you, sans the five disputable minutes of the ending, three great games, just because of... what exactly?

I mean, seriously?

If religions worked that way, great heroes, samaritans and saints would end up rotting in Hell along rapists and murderers just for lying to their mother about a broken window when they were ten years old. My, Paradise would have lots of empty space...

bringing religion into this is useless. The bible details tale after tale of incest, rape that's totally fine, murder for a just cause (he didn't believe) and so on, and so forth.

Please do not bring religion into a discussion because it is nothing but faith and passed down stories. If you believe that is perfectly fine with me, however I feel religion has no place in a game discussion topic, same with politics and such.

I'm sorry, I merely used religion as an example that seemed most fitting. I'm definitely not willing to start a debate on that topic. It was usead as a metaphor, I didn't even name any religion in particular, since their contents largely differ and would be rendered useless just by using a different example.

[EugeneBi]

Changer the Elder wrote...

Jassu1979 wrote...

Actually, what you are describing here is pretty much standard Protestant theology: everyone is unworthy, and only faith saves.
Horrid, horrid religion.
[/derail]

I don't want to start a religious discussion here, but that's still a bit different scenario. This logic claims that no matter what you do, you cannot repent yourself and derserve the worst for slipping once. Not even faith saves, as some fans make blatantly obvious.

Even though more than religion, behavior of those shouting about how they (and their friends and their little dog) will cause Bioware's destruction/random BW employee's death are reminding me of a certain little guy named Niftu Cal...

Not once. There were no good game or DLC released by BioWare in e afew recent years except LOTSB. So, once they did not slip, everything else is either garbage or nullified in the last 5 minutes.

[Blazerer]

in that case, nothing said. just making sure this topic wouldn't turn into an all-rage religion-war fest. And before the outcry begins: I used Christianity because many people apparently don't read the bible any more.

anyway, when politician lies to you, you get him out of office. when a saleman lies to you and sells a faulty product, you get him fired. When a gaming company lies to you, refuse to acknowledge the mistake and then proceed to mock you, then you make sure they either start respecting you as fan, or stop being a company.

[DADDY XERO]

I just completed mass effect 3 yesterday and i signed up to put in my two cents. i am massively pleased to see so many others are angry with bioware. then i read about the extended cut and i was happy. then i read what was included in the extended cut. smarter people than i have articulated the sentiment better than i ever could. but i will voice my opinion of bioware and its writing staff in regard to the years wasted on this series by the ending of mass effect 3.......BIOWARE IS FULL WANKERS!

don't even care about gettin banned

[EugeneBi]

Changer the Elder wrote...

*Snip*

And well, not to sound unnecessarily snarky, but if it doesn't make any difference, why do you bother prowling these forums and complaining when nothing they do can convince you to give them a chance? By no means I'm saying you shouldn't do it or, gods forbid, even try to tell you to get off. I'm merely asking what is it that you expect as a curious inquiry.

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

[Thanatos144]

EugeneBi wrote...

Changer the Elder wrote...

*Snip*

And well, not to sound unnecessarily snarky, but if it doesn't make any difference, why do you bother prowling these forums and complaining when nothing they do can convince you to give them a chance? By no means I'm saying you shouldn't do it or, gods forbid, even try to tell you to get off. I'm merely asking what is it that you expect as a curious inquiry.

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

Want some cheese?

[Blazerer]

EugeneBi wrote...

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

You might be interested in joining the movement (link in my description)

Thanatos! welcome back to prove my point some more. always nice to see a poor troll like yourself do his bit for society in being a bad example. I can't thank you enough for the sacrifices you surely must be making

[Changer the Elder]

Blazerer, is that attitude seriously necessary? Writing a comment just to insult another forum member is really a way to prove your point.

[Blazerer]

Changer the Elder wrote...

Blazerer, is that attitude seriously necessary? Writing a comment just to insult another forum member is really a way to prove your point.

insulting? most definetly not, quite the contrary. I appreciate the effort thanatos takes to post comments every since page 40 or so, that do not improve nor influence the conversation in any way. As i've told thanatos before this does not help, but since that doesn't seem to work I might as well use his cooperation in him being an example.

If i offended you I apologize, it was not intended

[Changer the Elder]

It is most certainly not me you offended, you haven't called me a "poor troll like [that] proving being a bad example". I'm merely pointing out it seems to be an unnecessarily low blow.

[Thanatos144]

Blazerer wrote...

EugeneBi wrote...

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

You might be interested in joining the movement (link in my description)

Thanatos! welcome back to prove my point some more. always nice to see a poor troll like yourself do his bit for society in being a bad example. I can't thank you enough for the sacrifices you surely must be making

i am sorry was something I said wrong? I am just cutting through all the bull. Bioware should never be held responsible for not meeting impossible expectations of the few spoiled.

[Blazerer]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

EugeneBi wrote...

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

You might be interested in joining the movement (link in my description)

Thanatos! welcome back to prove my point some more. always nice to see a poor troll like yourself do his bit for society in being a bad example. I can't thank you enough for the sacrifices you surely must be making

i am sorry was something I said wrong? I am just cutting through all the bull. Bioware should never be held responsible for not meeting impossible expectations of the few spoiled.

see what I mean Elder? When you explain the same answer about 6-7 times then either the person listening is a) stupid, doesn't care and ergo, is a troll. Since I'm a kind person I choose option b.

[Anyalla Shauni Lee]

The ending is literally my only qualm with the trilogy as a whole. Though honestly? It's hard to think Bioware's listening when the extended cut is just explaining away things that, in the end, amount to plot holes in an established cannon that everything prior to that moment contradicts. Trying to say, "No, no, no, it makes sense because..." is just both insulting to the fans, the things that Bioware has promised for a long time, and the artistic integrity of the franchise.Sometimes, people just forget what kind of promises they've made over time. I get that. Here's a reminder of some of the ones Bioware forgot to deliver on (friendly reminder, no flaming involved here)

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests” - Casey Hudson

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.” - Casey Hudson

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?" - Mike Gamble

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” - Casey Hudson

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.” - Mike Gamble

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make” - Mike Gamble

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” - Casey Hudson

“The whole idea of Mass Effect 3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.” - Casey Hudson

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I'll let this speak for itself.

[Thanatos144]

Blazerer wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

EugeneBi wrote...

BioWare lied to me, took my money by falsely advertizing their product, and did not even try to apologise.
I feel wronged and I want justice. I also want to warn other people who might get burned by them. I am a good guy - you see?

You might be interested in joining the movement (link in my description)

Thanatos! welcome back to prove my point some more. always nice to see a poor troll like yourself do his bit for society in being a bad example. I can't thank you enough for the sacrifices you surely must be making

i am sorry was something I said wrong? I am just cutting through all the bull. Bioware should never be held responsible for not meeting impossible expectations of the few spoiled.

see what I mean Elder? When you explain the same answer about 6-7 times then either the person listening is a) stupid, doesn't care and ergo, is a troll. Since I'm a kind person I choose option b.

It is amazing how the truth seems stupid to you.

[akenn312]

Just wanted to drop this off here. The Better Business Bureau chimed in on the whole Mass Effect 3 ending and how it was advertised to the consumers.

Here is a quote from the Bureau...and I will take thieir word for it since they are experts on this subject.

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically,
yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the
decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no
indecision in that statement. It is an absolute."

The person writing this story explains why advertsinig like this with absolutes are bad.

"So to put it into context. If I were to tell you I make the very best
lasagna in the entire world, that's an absolute. Worse, it's an absolute
based on opinion, which would open me up even more. Is that false
advertising? Yes, my lasagna sucks. It is, however, better a few days
later with the addition of liberal amounts of shredded cheese."

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised


So Bioware would have been fine on Mass Effect 3 if it had not tried ot sell the different 16 endings part, or market the game saying the game could make every ending playthrough experence more unique than the other endings. They created the unrealistic expectations. Not the consumers. So It's not about artsitic integrity or "whiny" fans trying to take over.

It's really all about a company trying to twist words to get people to rasie their expectations at the point of purchase then not truthfully following through with what they promised in their marketing and on the box cover.

Fans should be upset, maybe not continually upset but they should still be a little raw about it. They did pay $60-$70 bucks for this and also they can't trust the review system to tell them otherwise.

[noivoieidoi]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

quite frankly, I can't imagine anyone seeing the coherence in this ending.

The Mass Effect series’ setting is the entire Milky Way galaxy, and the beginning is quite humble: humans gain access to an ancient technology, which allows them to travel long distances at faster than light speed, and so starts the space exploration. Soon they find out that other intelligent and technologically advanced species exist and there is a hierarchy of power in the galaxy. ‘We’ are the last come on the galactic political scene, and the others are condescending enough toward us, or even outright hostile. An incident uncovers a dark secret – there are other players, really major players in the galaxy, posing a lethal danger for all other species on the same technological level as us.
The second instalment of the series provides further insight into this matter, deepens the understanding of the relationships between the ‘regular’ species and confirms the imminent danger of an attack from the dark space, through a second skirmish with the mysterious super-power.
In the third chapter, the invasion begins and, despite the evidence and previous warnings, the civilizations are unprepared and lose the war on all fronts. The main character, Commander Shepard, has a difficult task – to quickly unite the galaxy and rally all the remnant forces in a desperate effort to stop the invasion.

The final confrontation with the Commander Catalyst of the invading forces, although at a full stop motion compared to the previous fast pace, is both tragic and awe inspiring: the narrow angle of the petty tribal issues that defined the player's point of view until now, becomes much larger, shifting to the point of view of a true master of the galaxy, who has a vision and a strategy, and redefines by putting the facts in this new context categories such as ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. The apparently almighty Reapers are no longer the gods of the galaxy, they also have a puppet master. This one is not the standard issue mindless boss with a huge club from other games, but a sentient being with a vision, who had a pretty good reason for the war, by human standards; and so, the enemy receives a personality, is no longer exactly The Great Pure Evil. It offers such terms of peace that it's almost impossible to doubt its good intentions: look, I brought you up here, now you destroy us, as you've planned; or take full control of us; or - just an idea - let's work together, there will be no more 'we' and 'you', just 'us'. Kind of the biblical free will. But this is what actually happened most often in human history, even when a war ended by having conquerors and conquered: sooner or later they all end up by mixing their cultures an becoming one nation. A bit utopic to meet such an enlightened and honest enemy general though, but it's a game, right? One can always dream. However, this is an entirely different story. As for the means to that end: 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' - A.C.Clarke

[Blazerer]

akenn312 wrote...

Just wanted to drop this off here. The Better Business Bureau chimed in on the whole Mass Effect 3 ending and how it was advertised to the consumers.

Here is a quote from the Bureau...and I will take thieir word for it since they are experts on this subject.

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically,
yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the
decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no
indecision in that statement. It is an absolute."

The person writing this story explains why advertsinig like this with absolutes are bad.

"So to put it into context. If I were to tell you I make the very best
lasagna in the entire world, that's an absolute. Worse, it's an absolute
based on opinion, which would open me up even more. Is that false
advertising? Yes, my lasagna sucks. It is, however, better a few days
later with the addition of liberal amounts of shredded cheese."

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised


So Bioware would have been fine on Mass Effect 3 if it had not tried ot sell the different 16 endings part, or market the game saying the game could make every ending playthrough experence more unique than the other endings. They created the unrealistic expectations. Not the consumers. So It's not about artsitic integrity or "whiny" fans trying to take over.

It's really all about a company trying to twist words to get people to rasie their expectations at the point of purchase then not truthfully following through with what they promised in their marketing and on the box cover.

Fans should be upset, maybe not continually upset but they should still be a little raw about it. They did pay $60-$70 bucks for this and also they can't trust the review system to tell them otherwise.

now let's say they didn't promise anything at all. you've just played 2 great games and thus, expect the third game to be no different. Even though it is completely true that they falsely advertised, I still had a reasonable basis to expect the third game to be of the same level as the first 2.

[Archonsg]

Anyalla Shauni Lee wrote...

The ending is literally my only qualm with the trilogy as a whole. Though honestly? It's hard to think Bioware's listening when the extended cut is just explaining away things that, in the end, amount to plot holes in an established cannon that everything prior to that moment contradicts. Trying to say, "No, no, no, it makes sense because..." is just both insulting to the fans, the things that Bioware has promised for a long time, and the artistic integrity of the franchise.Sometimes, people just forget what kind of promises they've made over time. I get that. Here's a reminder of some of the ones Bioware forgot to deliver on (friendly reminder, no flaming involved here)

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests” - Casey Hudson

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.” - Casey Hudson

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?" - Mike Gamble

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” - Casey Hudson

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.” - Mike Gamble

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make” - Mike Gamble

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” - Casey Hudson

“The whole idea of Mass Effect 3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.” - Casey Hudson

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I'll let this speak for itself.

Then someone will come along and say but " It's their story / game! They can do whatever they want to it."

I know Bioware had offered returns for ME3, but don't we get to say, "No, just give us what you said will be part of the game."

[Blazerer]

noivoieidoi wrote...

The Mass Effect series’ setting is the entire Milky Way galaxy, and the beginning is quite humble: humans gain access to an ancient technology, which allows them to travel long distances at faster than light speed, and so starts the space exploration. Soon they find out that other intelligent and technologically advanced species exist and there is a hierarchy of power in the galaxy. ‘We’ are the last come on the galactic political scene, and the others are condescending enough toward us, or even outright hostile. An incident uncovers a dark secret – there are other players, really major players in the galaxy, posing a lethal danger for all other species on the same technological level as us.
The second instalment of the series provides further insight into this matter, deepens the understanding of the relationships between the ‘regular’ species and confirms the imminent danger of an attack from the dark space, through a second skirmish with the mysterious super-power.
In the third chapter, the invasion begins and, despite the evidence and previous warnings, the civilizations are unprepared and lose the war on all fronts. The main character, Commander Shepard, has a difficult task – to quickly unite the galaxy and rally all the remnant forces in a desperate effort to stop the invasion.

The final confrontation with the Commander Catalyst of the invading forces, although at a full stop motion compared to the previous fast pace, is both tragic and awe inspiring: the narrow angle of the petty tribal issues that defined the player's point of view until now, becomes much larger, shifting to the point of view of a true master of the galaxy, who has a vision and a strategy, and redefines by putting the facts in this new context categories such as ‘right’ and ‘wrong’. The apparently almighty Reapers are no longer the gods of the galaxy, they also have a puppet master. This one is not the standard issue mindless boss with a huge club from other games, but a sentient being with a vision, who had a pretty good reason for the war, by human standards; and so, the enemy receives a personality, is no longer exactly The Great Pure Evil. It offers such terms of peace that it's almost impossible to doubt its good intentions: look, I brought you up here, now you destroy us, as you've planned; or take full control of us; or - just an idea - let's work together, there will be no more 'we' and 'you', just 'us'. Kind of the biblical free will. But this is what actually happened most often in human history, even when a war ended by having conquerors and conquered: sooner or later they all end up by mixing their cultures an becoming one nation. A bit utopic to meet such an enlightened and honest enemy general though, but it's a game, right? One can always dream. However, this is an entirely different story. As for the means to that end: 'any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic' - A.C.Clarke

there are several problems here that make me seriously doubt the professionality of the auteur.
1) new topics should NEVER be introduced anywhere near the end. for a book that's atleast 50-100 pages, for a game AT LEAST an hour.
2) the endings are space magic no matter way you look at it, there is no technology that can do it, and both the destruction ending and the synthetic ending are impossible according to the law of physics
3)the auteur either clearly didn't play the game, or didn't understand it properly. The ending is not about the reapers suddenly working together with you, if so then they would have opened a com-channel with the fleet.
The reaper synthesis option is the will of the reapers. That's why reapers are created, that's what reaper forces are. There is no 'we', there is their way or the highway.
4) Space jesus is NOT a puppet-master, if anything he is simply an overseer. The reapers are not part of some 'grand design'. They have a single purpose and will continue fulfilling that purpose until the end of time.

Several more points of critique in there, but this should do

[akenn312]

Blazerer wrote...

akenn312 wrote...

Just wanted to drop this off here. The Better Business Bureau chimed in on the whole Mass Effect 3 ending and how it was advertised to the consumers.

Here is a quote from the Bureau...and I will take thieir word for it since they are experts on this subject.

"The issue at stake here is, did Bio Ware falsely advertise? Technically,
yes, they did. In the first bullet point, where it states "the
decisions you make completely shape your experience", there is no
indecision in that statement. It is an absolute."

The person writing this story explains why advertsinig like this with absolutes are bad.

"So to put it into context. If I were to tell you I make the very best
lasagna in the entire world, that's an absolute. Worse, it's an absolute
based on opinion, which would open me up even more. Is that false
advertising? Yes, my lasagna sucks. It is, however, better a few days
later with the addition of liberal amounts of shredded cheese."

http://kotaku.com/59...sely-advertised


So Bioware would have been fine on Mass Effect 3 if it had not tried ot sell the different 16 endings part, or market the game saying the game could make every ending playthrough experence more unique than the other endings. They created the unrealistic expectations. Not the consumers. So It's not about artsitic integrity or "whiny" fans trying to take over.

It's really all about a company trying to twist words to get people to rasie their expectations at the point of purchase then not truthfully following through with what they promised in their marketing and on the box cover.

Fans should be upset, maybe not continually upset but they should still be a little raw about it. They did pay $60-$70 bucks for this and also they can't trust the review system to tell them otherwise.

now let's say they didn't promise anything at all. you've just played 2 great games and thus, expect the third game to be no different. Even though it is completely true that they falsely advertised, I still had a reasonable basis to expect the third game to be of the same level as the first 2.

I would say you could expect more, but you could not say they lied to you or falsley advertised. The problem is they did make an absolute statement that when buying this game you are promised a wide variety of different endings.
Saying "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", means one path of choices gets one ending, another path gets another different type and so on and so on...

Bioware brought this on themselves trying to get cute with words. The fans were right to point this out.

But the reviewers should have been the stopgap that told the consumers what to really expect. They should have pointed this out, so consumers would be aware of what Bioware is trying and being sneaky to make sales. That's what the review system is made for. Not to drive sales for a game, but to give consumers the truth of what they are about to purchase.

Modifié par akenn312, 11 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[toptrv]

Archonsg wrote...

Anyalla Shauni Lee wrote...

The ending is literally my only qualm with the trilogy as a whole. Though honestly? It's hard to think Bioware's listening when the extended cut is just explaining away things that, in the end, amount to plot holes in an established cannon that everything prior to that moment contradicts. Trying to say, "No, no, no, it makes sense because..." is just both insulting to the fans, the things that Bioware has promised for a long time, and the artistic integrity of the franchise.Sometimes, people just forget what kind of promises they've made over time. I get that. Here's a reminder of some of the ones Bioware forgot to deliver on (friendly reminder, no flaming involved here)

“Don’t expect to win the loyalty of the galaxy by simply completing a series of fetch quests” - Casey Hudson

“… part of what you’re trying to do is save the universe so you can live in it. That’s part of the promise, I think, for any great IP. It has to be a world worth saving… I think Mass Effect has that quality to it. If you get rid of the Reapers and win that, wouldn’t it be amazing to just live on the Citadel or just take a ship to Omega? That makes sense.” - Casey Hudson

"There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets?" - Mike Gamble

"It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings,where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” - Casey Hudson

“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.” - Mike Gamble

“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make” - Mike Gamble

“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” - Casey Hudson

“The whole idea of Mass Effect 3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheons and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.” - Casey Hudson

“There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.” - Casey Hudson

I'll let this speak for itself.

Then someone will come along and say but " It's their story / game! They can do whatever they want to it."

I know Bioware had offered returns for ME3, but don't we get to say, "No, just give us what you said will be part of the game."

I agree
with Anyalla Shauni Lee. A lot was said before the release of the game that
turned out to be not true. I'm not so into the world of Mass Effect as other
people here but was able to realize the second the game finished that something
went horribly wrong. I believe the ending must be reworked. Not entirely
changed but reworked with the child out of the way. Also more options for an
end should be included.

On a brighter note – Happy Birthday, Shepard! I wish you a better ending.

Modifié par toptrv, 11 avril 2012 - 09:26 .

[Blazerer]

akenn312 wrote...

I would say you could expect more, but you could not say they lied to you or falsley advertised. The problem is they did make an absolute statement that when buying this game you are promised a wide variety of different endings.
Saying "the decisions you make completely shape your experience", means one path of choices gets one ending, another path gets another different type and so on and so on...

Bioware brought this on themselves trying to get cute with words. The fans were right to point this out.

But the reviewers should have been the stopgap that told the consumers what to really expect. They should have pointed this out, so consumers would be aware of what Bioware is trying and being sneaky to make sales. That's what the review system is made for. Not to drive sales for a game, but to give consumers the truth of what they are about to purchase.

in case of no statement, I didn't mean they'd lied to us, I mean the fans would still have valid reasons (about 42 I think are universally agreed on) to be upset, disappointed and make clear that a different ending is needed

[LittleBlueChildrenNow]

Hey everybody!!!! THIS IS IMPORTANT!!!

I've just read an articcle that says that the extended dlc will have personalization depending on how you ended the game and what choices you've made, and they are not going to be only cinematics! It was said at Penny Arcade Expo by Mike Gamble.

I share the link, but it is in spanish.
http://www.eurogamer...n-a-los-finales

Good news at least!