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On the Mass Effect 3 endings. Yes, we are listening.


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StElmo

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Dear Bioware, love your universe and all that, got some suggestions :D

1) Cut starchild out of the ending completely... just kill it off before it becomes JarJar binks.

2) Shepard and Anderson die out on the citadel, overlooking earth as the cruciable kicks off.

3) Use the best destroy ending, but this time, don't blow the citadel up, or the relays - make the explosion yellow and have it kick the reapers ass.

4) Cut Joker crash landing, this never happened. Okay?

5) Add all the wonderful cutscenes you like, the less important bits can be text on black screen for all I care, provided it's made canon, fans won't care as long as they know what happens with their choices, LI and characters.

Simple, no need to pay me - this is public domain for you to use

[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie] I know you will make the right decision bioware, you are good people and we all love you. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/heart.png[/smilie]

Modifié par StElmo, 13 avril 2012 - 08:02 .


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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Careful with your words guys you don't want them to lock this thread for hurting their feelings =/



They would have to read the thread for that to happen.

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Kunari801 wrote...

 If we didn't have such a emotional connection to our Sheppards and teammates, you wouldn't see this kind of backlash.   However, BW's skill at storytelling DID make us care about Sheppards and teammates.  

I got all :crying: in the final converstaions with my LI and companions in London.  I don't think any other developer has ever made a game series where the players grows so invested.  

Yes. I particularly liked Tali's dialogue in London. When a computer game make you actually feel something, you know the developers are doing something right.

What should also be commended, is that there aren't many other computer games companies that can generate such strong emotional reactions, outside of Biowares products. As Kunari801 mentioned, the fact that there is so much reaction from people regarding the ending, it says something about the quality of the game. I just hope that it can be fixed with the DLC....

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ShepardTheHopeful

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luci90 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Careful with your words guys you don't want them to lock this thread for hurting their feelings =/



They would have to read the thread for that to happen.



I just came from a thread where Bioware was talking to people in the thread. I believe their response was 

"Ok this topic has derailed like 1000 lbs of toxic waste so i'm locking it." 

The thread had also started when Stanley Woo commented by going "Just because we choose not to use your opinions doesn't mean we're not listening" 

After about 10 pages of arguing with them and asking questions with no answers they locked the thread. So yeah they are listening they're just not caring which is much better.

Right? RIGHT?

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luci90

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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

luci90 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Careful with your words guys you don't want them to lock this thread for hurting their feelings =/


They would have to read the thread for that to happen.


I just came from a thread where Bioware was talking to people in the thread. I believe their response was 

"Ok this topic has derailed like 1000 lbs of toxic waste so i'm locking it." 

The thread had also started when Stanley Woo commented by going "Just because we choose not to use your opinions doesn't mean we're not listening" 

After about 10 pages of arguing with them and asking questions with no answers they locked the thread. So yeah they are listening they're just not caring which is much better.
Right? RIGHT?


Well that's just fantastic.

If I wasn't so invested, I'd find this hilarious.

But I am, so i rage instead.

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BioWare falsly advertised ME3 - according to Better Business Bureau:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

Hold the line. For Marauder Shields.

Modifié par XwebraiderX, 13 avril 2012 - 08:29 .


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Akeotwawki wrote...

ME3 plays like a stand alone game. Nothing I've done in ME1 or 2 makes a bit of difference. That's what really irks me.

I've played it through 5 times (yes, I'm clearly a masochist) just to see if I can make it do anything different. Doesn't matter whether I saved the Council or not, clearly doesn't mean anything that I made Anderson a council member. Or that I destroyed the collector base. Most of the love interests are gone for femShep, (really? No James Vega?) unless she's lesbian. Doesn't matter if I blew up the Batarian relay or not. (They still haven't explained why she's essentially under house arrest if she HADN'T blown up the relay.) Doesn't matter if I rewrote the heretics or not. Doesn't matter who dies, they just substitute a generic character. Etc., etc.

In all cases, Shepard FAILS. Yes, he/she fails because while Shepard may kill/control/synth the Reapers - it's pretty much the end of the galaxy he/she has been trying to save. In every case the relays are destroyed (along with other stuff sometimes), sending the galaxy back to the (relative) stone age - at best. And, of course, if destroying the relay destroyed the Batarian system - then you also have to conclude that the system that had relays (like Earth's) were also destroyed.



I just finished my 2nd playtrough of ME3 and I must say that you choices do matter... depending on what you choose a pretty number will represent it in your EMS.
But with all seriousness from my 2 plays I noticed that wether Mording lives or not count as nothing... why? Because if Mording died then another guy - forgot his name - appears in his place and does almost everyhing the same way.
So when Mordin said someone else might have gotten it wrong then he was wrong.
I don't know about the other characters - yet - but I plan to do a playtrough of ME2 where I try to kill as many party members as possible and see if there's any difference.
I'm very curius about Than - Salarian councilor, Legion - Geth vs Quarian conflict, 

And one other thing... Kasumi's mission in ME2. It does NOT mattert wether you kept or destroyed the greybox. You still get the same mission in ME3... the only difference is that if you destroyed then Kasumi says that she pieced together the info. WHAT???


Akeotwawki wrote...

Yeah. Great "art". Cudos.

And would someone please explain to me how Shepard is on the Citadel - in space, gets blown up, falls through the atmosphere (apparently), lands in rubble, and BREATHES?? I can't wrap my breain around that one at all.

Yes, Mass Effect 3 was designed as a stand alone game with multi-player in an attempt to bring in some COD or GOW or HALO players, apparently. They were NOT focused on concluding the trilogy with the previous 2 games in mind, at all.

My boggle is why would they do this? Why stray so far from a clearly successful formula? I really don't get it. It had to be some suit somewhere making the decision. Clearly wasn't anyone who knew and loved the game.

Maybe this was discussed before but on my 2nd ending I noticed that the 'Catalyst' says:
1) My solution...
2) We found a way...
So what doies this mean? Did I miss something ot is this just plain scripting error?

And the scene where Shepard takes a breath, why is it so quiet?
If this is 'after' the catalyst then I think we should hear happy soldiers.
If this is 'before' the 'catalyst' - I mean we just dreamed everything - then we should hear fighting.
Either way why is it so quiet? Should'nt we hear at least some noise?

And I don't know how the game calculates who steps out of the Normandy in the end but in my case I had Tali and James in my party and Tali + Garrus were the ones to step out after Jeff.
I knew Tali was cheating on me and she was just waiting for me to get shot by Harbinger so she could elope with Garrus.
But then again I did not notice on my first playtrough but after you drop down on the slope - to tun towards Harbinger - your squadmates are gone. It's not that they are not in your party, but I looked around everywhere and I just could'nt find them.
Could it be that they really chikened out and left me to die?
Or they simply used their heads and circled around to approach from another side so that Harbinger would shoot at me while they sneaked in.
The more I think about this the worse it gets... so I gues I'd better go to sleep. ( It's 10:30 pm here. )

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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

luci90 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Careful with your words guys you don't want them to lock this thread for hurting their feelings =/



They would have to read the thread for that to happen.



I just came from a thread where Bioware was talking to people in the thread. I believe their response was 

"Ok this topic has derailed like 1000 lbs of toxic waste so i'm locking it." 

The thread had also started when Stanley Woo commented by going "Just because we choose not to use your opinions doesn't mean we're not listening" 

After about 10 pages of arguing with them and asking questions with no answers they locked the thread. So yeah they are listening they're just not caring which is much better.

Right? RIGHT?



There are some threads with very angry posters, sometime you can't have a constructive conversation in a thread that's been derailed so badly. 

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Please Bioware. Don't go down this Clarify Route.

You need to rewrite the endings if you want to save your fan base. I personally will never pay for another Bioware/Ea game ever again if the ending is not rewritten.

Your Artistic Integrity argument is a joke. Feels like you are talking down to the fans rather then being in discussion with them.

To say you are listening to fan feedback and then pull this BS and say you are going to keep everything that made the ending bad.

You have not listened. All you have done is throw out a bunch of PR rubbish to try and placate the fans and quell the rage. You clearly only care about money and not the fans. Why should I or anyone believe anything you say.

PLEASE prove me wrong. Rewrite the ending and win back your fan base. You said at PAX in your condescending press statements that without the fans Bioware is nothing. You are right, and if you don't CHANGE the ending you won't have to worry about your fans, because YOU WON'T HAVE ANY AND YOU WILL BE NOTHING.

#16960
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I'm something of a late finisher, having only just completed ME3 after lots of ME1 and ME2 re-runs to get my Shepards just as I wanted them.
Just to add to the consensus, amazing - purely amazing, but then the whole series is ruined by the last bit. I would have gone along with just hearing Anderson say, "well done, son", the reapers being destroyed and the crucible falling apart and cascade to earth aflame.
Some interaction between the team as they observe from Earth would have finished it up nicely.

My theory is that Shepard is turned into a part synthetic in order that when Mass Effect the movie is released, they can dub Mark Meer's voice onto the acting of Mark Vanderloo without need for lip synching...

#16961
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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

So yeah they are listening they're just not caring which is much better.

Right? RIGHT?


My Dad used to say "You hear me, but you're not listening." I think that's exactly what is going on here.

Bioware once listened to its customers, now they only hear them.

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Nothing I can say that hasn't already been said in the 679 pages that come before this, but more or less I agree. Its to bad that what was otherwise a fantastic game was more or less ruined by the ending, I mean right up until it ended everything was pure gold. It was kind of like eating at a fantastic 5 star restaurant then on your way out licking the bathroom floor. Sure the meal was delicious, but you still walk out the door with a bad taste in your mouth. I'll have to reserve final judgement on future BioWare games until after I've seen the extended cut DLC, I feel that BioWare has produced enough high quality content to be given at least one second chance.

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XwebraiderX wrote...

BioWare falsly advertised ME3 - according to Better Business Bureau:

http://www.escapistm...d-Mass-Effect-3

Hold the line. For Marauder Shields.


If there is someone here with enough money, you can demand BioWare. You'd probably win!

#16964
ShepardTheHopeful

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Kunari801 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

luci90 wrote...

ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Careful with your words guys you don't want them to lock this thread for hurting their feelings =/



They would have to read the thread for that to happen.



I just came from a thread where Bioware was talking to people in the thread. I believe their response was 

"Ok this topic has derailed like 1000 lbs of toxic waste so i'm locking it." 

The thread had also started when Stanley Woo commented by going "Just because we choose not to use your opinions doesn't mean we're not listening" 

After about 10 pages of arguing with them and asking questions with no answers they locked the thread. So yeah they are listening they're just not caring which is much better.

Right? RIGHT?



There are some threads with very angry posters, sometime you can't have a constructive conversation in a thread that's been derailed so badly. 




Normally I would be inclined to agree but I was at that thread from page one til it was locked. It was actually for the most part pretty civil. 

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ShepardTheHopeful wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...
There are some threads with very angry posters, sometime you can't have a constructive conversation in a thread that's been derailed so badly. 


Normally I would be inclined to agree but I was at that thread from page one til it was locked. It was actually for the most part pretty civil. 


I'm not sure what thread you were talking about I looked for a few locked threads and thought I knew the one you referenced.   If it was civil then I don't know why they would kill it.  

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ShepardTheHopeful

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@Kunari it was called ARE YOU SERIOUS or something like that. Bad name I know but it did get Bioware response for about 15 pages or so. I don't know either. Maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't civil to them. Or mabe it was cut for some other reason. Who knows anymore we'll never know now that's for sure. 

Modifié par ShepardTheHopeful, 13 avril 2012 - 10:34 .


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just keep the core endings for those that liked it and give us a option at different or better endings so that everybody can win this doesn't have to be a one side wins situation it really doesn't bioware espically since a lot of us are passionate and loving about mass effect why do you  think their is such a big uproar wether fans liked the ending or not because they love the series!

Modifié par LiarasShield, 13 avril 2012 - 10:42 .


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I mean we do have as much love as we are expressing hatred

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:( the more i delve into this debacle........its like twisting the knife.

i've been with them since KOTOR. and this is how i will remember them. this isn't artistic integrity. this is just a sad tacked-on ending to rush a product out the door so they dont have to delay release a second time. GOD I WISH THEY WOULD HAVE PUSHED IT BACK AGAIN! then maybe we wouldnt be here.

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T.Attwood wrote...

Kunari801 wrote...

 If we didn't have such a emotional connection to our Sheppards and teammates, you wouldn't see this kind of backlash.   However, BW's skill at storytelling DID make us care about Sheppards and teammates.  

I got all :crying: in the final converstaions with my LI and companions in London.  I don't think any other developer has ever made a game series where the players grows so invested.  

Yes. I particularly liked Tali's dialogue in London. When a computer game make you actually feel something, you know the developers are doing something right.

What should also be commended, is that there aren't many other computer games companies that can generate such strong emotional reactions, outside of Biowares products. As Kunari801 mentioned, the fact that there is so much reaction from people regarding the ending, it says something about the quality of the game. I just hope that it can be fixed with the DLC....


This is exactly the point. 

They have 3 choices.
  • Control-they can attempt to control the damage and ignore fan wishes by creating extended cutscenes that don't address inconsistencies in the endings.
  • Destroy-they can destroy a lot of goodwill and turn away fans by choosing to adhere to an incomprehensible "artistic" choice with additional cutscenes.
  • Synthesize-the only way to stave off future creativity is to meld the wishes of corporate ownership and "artistic" choice, creating a totally unfulfilling bunch of cutscenes that mean nothing.
I prefer another option-create the ending that addresses and adheres to the things that made these games truly great.  Create options for happy and sad, poignant endings.   I do believe they can do it.  It needs to be something that fully addresses the feelings people got out of and put into these games, just as Kunari801 and T.Attwood state.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 13 avril 2012 - 11:32 .


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Bioware needs to change the endings if they have a shred of respect for their fans. If not, then to hell with them!

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IIsht.BoSa wrote...
Because if Mording died then another guy - forgot his name - appears in his place and does almost everyhing the same way.

"Not Mordin".

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Bioware watch this please -

www.youtube.com/watch

This guy gets it, please prove you do to.

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This was probably posted already, but I'm going to re-post it for great justice.

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par ReXspec, 14 avril 2012 - 12:41 .


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Modifié par PhantomSun, 14 avril 2012 - 01:03 .