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[T.Attwood]

pjotroos wrote...
Third, go back to the old attitude of the Reapers - where they just felt so high above us they didn't have to explain themselves and didn't think us capable of understanding. If the current reasoning behind them is presented, make sure Shepard gets to disagree in no uncertain terms. Don't make him stand there like a sheep. Let us argue with that little tool and his bull**** ideologies.

This is a good idea. Show the reapers/star child that organics have evolved to a point where the Reapers logic is no longer fit for purpose. Use the Geth/Quarian resolution as evidence. After all (as the star-child says himself) the fact that Shepard is there with the star-child, proves something has changed with organics, and that have outgrown the necessity for the 'cycle'. After all, organics are the only ones that can evolve and improve. Synthetics can only change their software, but the instructions types that physically make up the software will always be fixed (in the same way as a computer chip cannot alter how it processes instructions, but organic cells can mutate and can create 'new' instructions). Only organics can truly change their 'programmng' as such, because they can create new 'instructions' through evolution via chemical reactions.

pjotroos wrote...
Fourth, do away with the child model. Some people said it feels insulting being talked down by a small kid. I just see it as cheap pulling at heart strings, failed drama 101, basically something completely disconnected from the player.

This is why I wondered if the ending is all inside Shepards head. How would the reapers know what the child that Shepard saw killed at the start of the game, actually looks like to replicate his appearance as a ghost/hologram thing? Only Shepard knows the child.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 15 avril 2012 - 04:02 .

[Lord Jron]

I was extremely disappointed with the ending, I felt so betrayed. All of the choises that I made in the previous two games mattered nothing, not to mention the relationships that I carefully cultivated with my fellow shipmates. but in the end nothing mattered... Shepard (and I) never get to see any of our hard work put to use and all we get is this ghost kid FORCING me to make ****ty choises.
Every thing I just said has been said already, I know. I highly reccomend you watching the below, I strongly agree with what they have to say...





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFq531vkNOY&feature=relmfu

Honestly Bioware, I just want a happy ending

[MarceloMaia]

 Those endings are so out of place that is kind of clear that they are not the "real endings", i bet there way to go in definitly the destroy ending (See? the Reapers even tried to indocrinate us, hehe). Indeed they will not redo anything on the upcoming DLC because there is nothing to be "redone" there, just take where it was left of (that scene of Shepard's breath).
BW's folks might be crazy but they are not stupid. 

[Netherspin]

T.Attwood wrote...
This is a good idea. Show the reapers/star child that organics have evolved to a point where the Reapers logic is no longer fit for purpose. Use the Geth/Quarian resolution as evidence. After all (as the star-child says himself) the fact that Shepard is there with the star-child, proves something has changed with organics, and that have outgrown the necessity for the 'cycle'. After all, organics are the only ones that can evolve and improve. Synthetics can only change their software, but the instructions types that physically make up the software will always be fixed (in the same way as a computer chip cannot alter how it processes instructions, but organic cells can mutate and can create 'new' instructions). Only organics can truly change their 'programmng' as such, because they can create new 'instructions' through evolution via chemical reactions.

This is why I wondered if the ending is all inside Shepards head. How would the reapers know what the child that Shepard saw killed at the start of the game, actually looks like to replicate his appearance as a ghost/hologram thing? Only Shepard knows the child.

Actually both the rogue VI on the moon and the money-siphoning AI on the citadel in ME1 proves your assumption about machine / organic evolution wrong. The combat VI goes way beyond its programming when it shuts off the failsafes as reported in the mission briefing and the money-siphon is a 2nd generation AI which in almost all - if not indeed all - cases in literature is an enhanced - or in biological terms: Evolved - version of itself.

As for catalyst-kid I simply assumed the citadel accessed the mind-affecting part of the indoctrination tech to pull the image that would have the greatest emotional effect from Shepards mind.

Edit: As for the repeated question about why the reapers doesn't rebel against the catalyst, if the created will allways rebel against the creator, Soverign gives us the answer to that on Vermire - the Reapers believe themselves to be the first, counterintuitive as it may seem, they think they evolved on their own and created by noone.

Modifié par Netherspin, 15 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[Reo onx]

Please need a new ending ones we have are bad

[Drift Avalii]

You know, I might even accept a simple additional cinematic to further the conclusion of your choices (provided it was damn good and made your actions feel like they'd made a difference), regardless of the a/b/c debacle - the end of a series is no place to dump a cliffhanger on us.

[Hkun2007]

I'm done, enjoy your new found mediocrity Bioware, endings are just bad...

[T.Attwood]

Netherspin wrote...
Edit: As for the repeated question about why the reapers doesn't rebel against the catalyst, if the created will allways rebel against the creator, Soverign gives us the answer to that on Vermire - the Reapers believe themselves to be the first, counterintuitive as it may seem, they think they evolved on their own and created by noone.

If the catalyst can prevent the reapers from attacking their creator (i.e. the catalyst) by making them believe they evolved on their own, then why not use that as a solution for all synthetics to prevent them rebelling against their creators? This means, the catalyst already knows the best solution, but chooses not to use it! Instead, the catalyst has taken the route of genocide by wiping out organic life.

The catalyst is so messed up. He is intelligent enough to create the reapers, but cant see that he has already has the solution to the galaxies problems.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 15 avril 2012 - 06:11 .

[Netherspin]

T.Attwood wrote...
If the catalyst can prevent the reapers from attacking their creator (i.e. the catalyst) by making them believe they evolved on their own, then why not use that as a solution for all synthetics to prevent them rebelling against their creators? This means, the catalyst already knows the best solution, but chooses not to use it! Instead, the catalyst has taken the route of genocide by wiping out organic life.

The catalyst is so messed up...

Neglecting to tell your own creations of your existence is one thing, especially when you can hide in plain sight as the catalyst can. Interviening in a master/servant relationship like the Quarians and the Geth at the birth of their intelligence and attempting to convince the Geth that they evolved on their own, and were in fact not created by the people whose houses they're cleaning is quite another.

Applying that solution to other AI's both negate the purpose for which they were created (effectively created as a slaverace) and seems to me to be a herculian task that boarders the impossible on logistics alone.

[Venix117]

I have to say I am genuinley upset about the endings, I mean props to BW for making me feel like this and getting such an emotional reaction from me but it is not a good reaction, for so many reasons that others have stated I loathe the endings, I truly despise them Im sorry if this seems harsh i dont normally out right slag of somones hard work but i am just that upset over this, A game series I have spent weeks playing, a game series that I love with its setting, characters and lre was just destroyed in five minutes.

I wanted to go back and start from the beggining again romancing Ash this time (Never done that yet) making diffrent choices and such but knowing its going to turn out like that just makes me not want too.

[HcMav]

Lord Jron wrote...

I was extremely disappointed with the ending, I felt so betrayed. All of the choises that I made in the previous two games mattered nothing, not to mention the relationships that I carefully cultivated with my fellow shipmates. but in the end nothing mattered... Shepard (and I) never get to see any of our hard work put to use and all we get is this ghost kid FORCING me to make ****ty choises.
Every thing I just said has been said already, I know. I highly reccomend you watching the below, I strongly agree with what they have to say...





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFq531vkNOY&feature=relmfu

Honestly Bioware, I just want a happy ending

I agree with You, AngryJoe and Jeremy Jahns completely, the game is great, but the ending... it ruins evertything.....
I believe in "indoctrination theory", because it only makes sense.....

[Levi1988]

http://s1265.photobu.../htlgroupphoto/


Bioware says they're listening, well listen to this.

[Levi1988]

Venix117 wrote...

I have to say I am genuinley upset about the endings, I mean props to BW for making me feel like this and getting such an emotional reaction from me but it is not a good reaction, for so many reasons that others have stated I loathe the endings, I truly despise them Im sorry if this seems harsh i dont normally out right slag of somones hard work but i am just that upset over this, A game series I have spent weeks playing, a game series that I love with its setting, characters and lre was just destroyed in five minutes.

I wanted to go back and start from the beggining again romancing Ash this time (Never done that yet) making diffrent choices and such but knowing its going to turn out like that just makes me not want too.

I agree. I haven't been able to bring myself to play the game since the godawful endings. My cousin was so upset by the endings he got rid of every Bioware/EA game he owns and says he will never purchase another one of their products again.

[darkway1]

Archonsg wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I hoped for a Babylon 5 ending......now that was an end battle.....

Bab5 is still the king of TV sci-fi. Has its kooky moments, what with Lo'rien and all but, it was mostly good solid hard sci-fi. Fighters keep going in direction opposite of thrust regardless of where its facing, until a new vector of thrust is applied.

Loved that show. And the Minbari are space elves no matter what others say. ^_~

Mass is a lot like Babylon 5....getting all the races working together to face the reapers...I mean shadows.

Space elves rock.

Modifié par darkway1, 15 avril 2012 - 06:29 .

[Levi1988]

http://www.forbes.co...o-game-history/

I wonder if our friends at the BBB would like to know about this fiasco?

[darkway1]

Levi1988 wrote...

http://www.forbes.co...o-game-history/

I wonder if our friends at the BBB would like to know about this fiasco?

I find it insulting that banners and slogans are taken out of context......"see what everyone is talking about"......yeah,the crap ending........I got an email from EA today trying to get me to buy MASS3.....um...I got the CE actually....just goes to show the franchise is just on auto pilot.
2weeks after buying Mass3 the game is selling for half price......I mean....the whole MASS3 experience has left me feeling like a mug to be honest.

[Levi1988]

Anyone else feel like Casey Hudson should be forced to resign and that EA should be sued into bankruptcy?

[Netherspin]

Venix117 wrote...

I have to say I am genuinley upset about the endings, I mean props to BW for making me feel like this and getting such an emotional reaction from me but it is not a good reaction, for so many reasons that others have stated I loathe the endings, I truly despise them Im sorry if this seems harsh i dont normally out right slag of somones hard work but i am just that upset over this, A game series I have spent weeks playing, a game series that I love with its setting, characters and lre was just destroyed in five minutes.

I wanted to go back and start from the beggining again romancing Ash this time (Never done that yet) making diffrent choices and such but knowing its going to turn out like that just makes me not want too.

To be perfectly honest, in the grand scheme of things love interests should have absolutely no effect on the ending. The Reapers were never going to go "Oh so you have an attractive human female (or young asari or highranking quarian or whatever) as a life-mate, that's cool, we'll back off". Granted I wouldn't mind if saving or destroying the collector base had a bigger impact, but if anything should affect the ending, it should be the grand choices, not how Shepard interacts with his crew or who he flirts with. The Reapers don't care about that, the Alliance don't care - to be honest I doubt if they even know - it should not - no could not - affect how a galactic war panned out.
The love interests are great for flavoring the ride, as they are in all Bioware games, but as with every Bioware game (I've played anyway) they have little or no effect on how the story ends.

[darkway1]

Levi1988 wrote...

Anyone else feel like Casey Hudson should be forced to resign and that EA should be sued into bankruptcy?

lol...that's a bit over the top.....but I do think that people are getting pissed over EA/Biowares lack of responce to the most reasonable questions....it's like poking a corpse with a stick....just wasting your time, it's dead.

[T.Attwood]

Levi1988 wrote...

Anyone else feel like Casey Hudson should be forced to resign and that EA should be sued into bankruptcy?

I just want them to learn from their mistakes and put things right. Personally, I dont expect anyone to be perfect, but I do expect them to be responsible for their errors of judgement. Instead of aiming to create a piece of 'art', simply understand that if it makes a lot of people feel like crap, what is the value of this 'art'? Is it worth it in the end?

It is good that a lot of people are speaking out and putting their views forward. This is the only way for people to sit up and take notice. This way, they will (hopefully) learn that it is not good business. It is interesting seeing just how many people (for example) in this thread, who say they can't bear playing the game any more. What are the long term consequences of having public reactions such as this, to a companies products, and their profits?

[zarnk567]

darkway1 wrote...

Levi1988 wrote...

Anyone else feel like Casey Hudson should be forced to resign and that EA should be sued into bankruptcy?

lol...that's a bit over the top.....but I do think that people are getting pissed over EA/Biowares lack of responce to the most reasonable questions....it's like poking a corpse with a stick....just wasting your time, it's dead.

What's sad is that if Bioware just came out and talked about the ending instead of hiding behind PR talk there would probably be alot less rage from alot of people.... But alas..... that is the bioware of old, not the new BioEA. 

[The Shep]

 Everything was great until the very end and that spoiled it all:(

[darthoptimus003]

sorry but this upcoming dlc "extended cut" is just a bad idea. heres why
you are expanding on the endings that are by far the most hanus thing ive seen
"clarify" what? you cant clarify this. the ending is the problem it makes no since at all.
there WERE promise made that we were expecting delivered when we made the purcuse of this game. the ending needs to be completly remade. dont hide behind "artistic integrity" and do what is right by YOUR company and fans. and yes the majority dont like this so fix it

[Lightecojak]

 Our choices have to matter in the end. All of the paragon or renegade decisions we have made should have mattered in some way into how the galaxy is transformed. Instead everything is left moot by the ending choices which hardly take anything into account from the previous games. And there are so many bugs in the catalyst's explanation and the ending sequences themselves that it makes everything feel so worthless in the end since what was the point of fully developing our Shepard if everybody gets 3 choices that don't take into account the species you brought together or how fully fleshed out your reputation is.