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[Gweedotk]

epicalus wrote...

hello everyone .
lets all remember what we know by now.

ME3 ends with a simple statement.
synthetics will always kill organics.
so i ( catalyst ) created synthetics to kill organics to prevent synthetics from killing organics . wait wot?
and yes melting organics down into wichever paste they like , is still killing organics with synthetics.
but lets go back all the way to ME1
so synthetics will always kill organics?
the geth didn't wipe out the quarians did they ? no they didn't .
why did the geth attack organics in ME1 ?
becausse sovereign (a reaper) reprogammed the heretics (geth) to attack organics.
wich basically means that the reapers MAKE sure that synthetics attack organics.
those who played ME2 know this FACT , wich disproves the catalysts statement.

lets all keep in mind that at the end of ME3
there are only 3 things .
sheppard , catalyst , destroy reapers.
the catalyst is the only thing standing between sheppard and destroying the reapers.
so its only option is to tell lies or change the truth by adding lies.
yes you'll destroy us , but you'll destroy all synthetic life aswell.

and why in a series that shows off indoctrination so nicely .
why woulden't it happen to the only character that seems to be the only one that can stop the reapers?
woulden't it make more sence to have it happen to sheppard at least once?

Synthetics may not attack the organics with the intention of wiping them out, but be attacked and as a result, wipe the organics out. The Geth can and will wipe the Quarians out if Shepard lets them. The Geth never wanted to fight the Quarians but were repeatedly attacked over and over. If I were the Geth, I would have already wiped out the Quarians just because they are such d*cks about AI.

[Huojin]

Stop taking the ****** out of us, Priestly.

Modifié par Huojin, 16 avril 2012 - 09:43 .

[Archonsg]

Here's some fan edited endings that makes me wonder, with only already released material to work with, they can come up with endings so wonderfully good, compared to the mess that was the "official" ending, why Bioware can't just admit they screwed up and say "You know what, the "artistic vision" we had, didn't fit in the Mass Effect world and you guys showed us why. We'll give you, our fans, the various endings you asked for, endings you deserve."

Talimancer Ending

Or

Liara Ending

Both of which removed the damned space-god-child-holo and its circular logic trap, as well as keep the Citadel and Relays intact.
If anything Bioware should EXPAND on these endings instead.

While it is true that we have not seen the new DLC yet and I am more then willing to try it out to see if Bioware can pull off a miracle, my expectations are rather low on what they can do.

They have to explain not one, but all 3 choices and the consequence of each choice to that will make sense and not use a magic wand solution (like Synthesis, really?) to explain how each solution work in the confines of the Mass Effect world and tech.
Otherwise all the DLC will do is create more questions and unsatisfied customers.

[schwarzaj]

Again, Bioware, you obviously are not listening to us. We want the ending changed. We want the decisions we made to matter. We want you to keep your promises. Stop with the BS and do what needs to be done.

[Thanatos144]

drama

[LiarasShield]

i have the opposite ending by flame for liara under my signatures and those endings were good ^^

[Cerberusx32]

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

[Theronyll Itholien]

Thanatos144 wrote...

drama

You have no reason to be here. You add nothing to it. All you do is provoke and pretend you engage in discussions.

You think this is a thread full of whiners. Get a life, if that's your opinion, and leave the whiners whine.

****** off, troll.

[Thanatos144]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

drama

You have no reason to be here. You add nothing to it. All you do is provoke and pretend you engage in discussions.

You think this is a thread full of whiners. Get a life, if that's your opinion, and leave the whiners whine.

****** off, troll.

sorry not leaving

Modifié par Thanatos144, 16 avril 2012 - 10:09 .

[Thanatos144]

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

They made a statement. Perhapsyou didnt know about the extended cut?

[aklendathu]

The thing I find most annoying about ME3 ending is that no matter the choice made by Shepard (destroy, control, synthesis) the final after-credits clip (supposedly far into the future) is the same. This means that, aside from breaking the Reaper cycle, the choice he (we) made is irrelevant.

It would have been nice to have an ending with Shepard and his love interest making off into the sunset but since it the series was intended as an epic tale, the hero sacrifice at the end is acceptable. However, as it stands it is way too short to satisfy people who invested a significant number of hours (not to mention money) into playing the three games in the series. I hope this is addressed in the upcoming announced DLC.

I think that the destruction of the mass relays is "controlled" as opposed to what happened in Arrival - there's beams of energy going from relay to relay instead of an all out explosion therefore the survival of the star systems where the relays were located is believable.

Besides, the mass relay destruction wouldn't isolate the galaxy - the ships are able to travel FTL - it would only make for longer travel times across the galaxy. And who's to say that with the knowledge acquired from building the Crucible the relays couldn't be rebuilt ?

I enjoyed the missions picked up in ME2 from exploring the galaxy and I missed their absence from ME3. I didn't like the need to play multiplayer to get the galactic readiness above 50% so that you could reach enough points to ensure Shepard's survival scene at the end.

[chemiclord]

schwarzaj wrote...

Again, Bioware, you obviously are not listening to us. We want the ending changed. We want the decisions we made to matter. We want you to keep your promises. Stop with the BS and do what needs to be done.

YOU want the ending changed.

This is one of the things that irks the hell out of me.  You don't speak for ME.  You don't speak for anyone other than yourself.  Stop pretending you do.

[darkway1]

Spava wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

best reaction rofled so hard, prolly been linked a few times

"I feel like I just did nothing"

LOL......."I feel like I did nothing"....lol.....thank you for posting the link.

[Hexley UK]

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

Sooo...much....win....

[improperdancing]

chemiclord wrote...

schwarzaj wrote...

Again, Bioware, you obviously are not listening to us. We want the ending changed. We want the decisions we made to matter. We want you to keep your promises. Stop with the BS and do what needs to be done.

YOU want the ending changed.

This is one of the things that irks the hell out of me.  You don't speak for ME.  You don't speak for anyone other than yourself.  Stop pretending you do.

Well, to be fair, he does seem to speak for a very large group of fans that only appears to be growing in size, although at this point I'm sure quite a few people have just given up on BioWare because it's clear they don't give a damn what we think.

Anyway, here's the thing about BioWare releasing some free DLC that changes the ending (not the stupid Extended Cut that no one really wants): You don't have to download it.

If you're fine with the ending as-is and don't want it changed, simply neglect to download the new ending.  It's not like BioWare would be forcing you at gunpoint to go into the Marketplace (or wherever you go on Origin...I wouldn't know as Origin is terrible) and download it, then play through to see it.  If you're happy with the ending, you're more than welcome to leave that bit of code off of your hard drive and keep enjoying the game as currently presented (although you may want to get your head examined).

I really don't understand why anyone would be against BioWare changing the ending when, in reality, it only affects those of us who want the ending changed.  The rest of you don't have to experience it.  It's like a Blu-Ray movie shipping with two versions: the regular cut and the Director's Cut.  You aren't obligated to watch both of them, but a lot of us still like to have the option.

Modifié par improperdancing, 16 avril 2012 - 10:24 .

[darkway1]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

They made a statement. Perhapsyou didnt know about the extended cut?

Thanatos144.......do you agree with the release of the extended DLC?

[Thanatos144]

darkway1 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cerberusx32 wrote...

No your not listening BioWare. Here is a true fact.

They made a statement. Perhapsyou didnt know about the extended cut?

Thanatos144.......do you agree with the release of the extended DLC?

whats there to agree with? They are making it. Nothing to agree with. Do I like the idea???Who wouldnt want more content?

[PrimeOfValor]

Bioware, please hear me, I know u guys make great games despite the ME3's crappy (confusing)ending and are "probably" overwhelmed with negative comments, but can u give us an ending or cutscene in the expansion that involve commander shepard lives in the destroying ending, reuniting with his or her LI? That EXTREMELY golden since u gives a cutscene that Shepards breathes and cut into credits depending if u have enough military strength and choose destroy ending (its a nice gesture that shepard lives and I HOPE its just not some random easter egg just to please fans).

[Levi1988]

Pretty much sums up the ending.

[Holger1405]

AmstradHero wrote...

noivoieidoi wrote...

Netherspin wrote...
Edit: As for the repeated question about why the reapers doesn't rebel against the catalyst, if the created will allways rebel against the creator, Soverign gives us the answer to that on Vermire - the Reapers believe themselves to be the first, counterintuitive as it may seem, they think they evolved on their own and created by noone.

Moreover, Sovereign says something along the lines: ‘you [organic species] just use the mass relays and the Citadel; they’ve been built by our kind’.
Then the Catalyst says:
- 'the Citadel is my home' and 'it's part of me' 
- ‘the created will always rebel against the creators’ and ‘I control the Reapers; they are my solution’. 
If any creator-created relationship exists between the Reapers and the Catalyst, then the Catalyst is the created. So, if ‘our kind’ means ‘the Reapers’ exactly, that would make the Catalyst the rebel and a very interesting character.

The fact that you like this idea demonstrates a gross misunderstanding of storytelling and plot development that is as bad as the original ending.

One, it still introduces a new character right at the ending - which as has been established time and time again, is a poor plot device for when the writers cannot produce a logical ending that follows on sequentially from previous events. It's a major break in the storytelling to create an arbitrary ending of the writer's choice.

Secondly, you're saying that this character should be allowed to wilfully deceive the player. That's a gross crime against a game series that has revolved around choice. Effectively you're saying it's acceptable to provide the player with deceptive choices in the final minute of gameplay. If he lies about that, what other mistruths is he telling? A lying deus ex machina robs the player off all choice and any degree of closure, because anything presented by it is suspect. It would be better off just finishing the game before the final run to the teleporter beam. If the Space Child is lying, or if any of the parts of the ending are deceptions, then the ending as a whole is worthless unless it will be replaced a la Broken Steel.

Again, I'll reiterate that this is an unequivocably horrible idea from both a storytelling and game design perspective. That fact you think it is good demonstrates no understanding of how to develop either of these.

noivoieidoi wrote...
Personally, I couldn't find, so far, any reason why the endings would be objectively awful. Everything has been
dismissed already as wrong reasoning, unintentional blindness, bias when making the ending worse than the rest of the series etc. That leads to personal preferences and the largely agreed upon conclusion: a significant majority of the complainers just don't like an unhappy ending, or one where they have to do some thinking on their
own. Not psychologically correct, but I might add here the lack of the riot police in a virtual world, unlike the football or hockey matches in real world ../../../images/forum/emoticons/policeman.png../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png

You couldn't. That doesn't mean they don't exist. As I've stated above, it's obvious you don't understand storytelling concepts or theory anyway, so I'm not wholly surprised. There's very little incorrect reasoning being presented, because people are trying to correlate all the facts that have been presented to the player, which is not possible to do in any logical fashion or without copious amounts of handwaving.

I expected Shepard to die. So did many people. The difference is that the sacrifice was expected to happen in a logical and coherent fashion. It didn't. The fact that you can't recognise this is not a failing of the people issuing the complaints, it is a failure in your ability to understand them.

Well, let's assume that Bioware makes a DLC where it is clear that Shepard die's, (unlike the ending now, because that is not given.) and they do it in a "logical and coherent fashion."
Do you honestly think that the majority of People who complain now will stop doing so?

[Levi1988]

I think it's time we contacted agent 47 to fix this problem.

Unless Bioware gives us a new ending.

[MechaGaiden]

I've been thinking about the ending lately and one thing keeps coming to mind: They were so close. Bioware was this far from concluding THE definitive video-game science fiction trilogy and fumbled right at the last moment and ended up damaging the series story almost beyond repair. Mass Effect would have been a legendary series to stand the test of time as an example of video-game storytelling; now its a running joke whenever people talk about horrible endings. This incident turned Bioware from an adored and well-respected company (with a few mistakes, like DA2), into a hated company with a reputation for dishonesty. All this and they still won't engage in an open and honest dialogue with the fans about what happened.

There is a possibility that the extended cut will try to make things right, but the best I can hope for right now is that they will try and plug the plot holes and perhaps give some closure to the characters. I cannot think of any possible way for them to deliver the ending that everyone was expecting through the extended cut that Bioware would actually do. I want to be blown away by the extended cut, but I can't see it happening at this point.

[Benchpress610]

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

drama

You have no reason to be here. You add nothing to it. All you do is provoke and pretend you engage in discussions.

You think this is a thread full of whiners. Get a life, if that's your opinion, and leave the whiners whine.

****** off, troll.

As I posted before, the best way to deal with these trolls is just to ignore them. You're just feeding him by replying to his nonsense

[Thanatos144]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Theronyll Itholien wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

drama

You have no reason to be here. You add nothing to it. All you do is provoke and pretend you engage in discussions.

You think this is a thread full of whiners. Get a life, if that's your opinion, and leave the whiners whine.

****** off, troll.

As I posted before, the best way to deal with these trolls is just to ignore them. You're just feeding him by replying to his nonsense

I keep telling you i dont feed you.

[Gweedotk]

improperdancing wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

schwarzaj wrote...

Again, Bioware, you obviously are not listening to us. We want the ending changed. We want the decisions we made to matter. We want you to keep your promises. Stop with the BS and do what needs to be done.

YOU want the ending changed.

This is one of the things that irks the hell out of me.  You don't speak for ME.  You don't speak for anyone other than yourself.  Stop pretending you do.

Well, to be fair, he does seem to speak for a very large group of fans that only appears to be growing in size, although at this point I'm sure quite a few people have just given up on BioWare because it's clear they don't give a damn what we think.

Anyway, here's the thing about BioWare releasing some free DLC that changes the ending (not the stupid Extended Cut that no one really wants): You don't have to download it.

If you're fine with the ending as-is and don't want it changed, simply neglect to download the new ending.  It's not like BioWare would be forcing you at gunpoint to go into the Marketplace (or wherever you go on Origin...I wouldn't know as Origin is terrible) and download it, then play through to see it.  If you're happy with the ending, you're more than welcome to leave that bit of code off of your hard drive and keep enjoying the game as currently presented (although you may want to get your head examined).

I really don't understand why anyone would be against BioWare changing the ending when, in reality, it only affects those of us who want the ending changed.  The rest of you don't have to experience it.  It's like a Blu-Ray movie shipping with two versions: the regular cut and the Director's Cut.  You aren't obligated to watch both of them, but a lot of us still like to have the option.

You make a fair point. Who knows, maybe it would be better too.

Although I do stress that BSN remain polite in the mean time. No personal attacks on Devs. They may make the new content but it doesn't take long for a dev to simply get tired of the negativity and head over to Blizzard.

Modifié par Gweedotk, 16 avril 2012 - 11:05 .